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Robert Anton Wilson predicted "immortality"


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#1 advancedatheist

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:29 AM


From hindsight, how sad:

Next Stop: Immortality (Future Magazine, December 1978)

According to the actuarial tables used by insurance companies, if you are in your 20s now you prob­ably have about 50 years more to live. If you are in your 40s, you have only about 30 years more and if you are in your 60s your life-expectancy is only about 10 years. These tables are based on averages, of course — not everybody dies precisely at the median age of 72.5 years — but these insurance tables are the best mathematical guesses about how long you will be with us. Right?

Wrong. Recent advances in gerontology (the science of aging, not to be confused with geriatrics, the treatment of the aged) have led many sober and cautious scien­tists to believe that human lifespan can be doubled, tripled or even extended in­definitely in this generation. If these researchers are right, nobody can predict your life expectancy. All the traditional assumptions on which the actuarial tables rest are obsolete. You might live a thou­sand years or even longer.


Robert Anton Wilson wrote this essay around the age of 46, and he died earlier this month. Do the math: it turns out that 1970's actuarial tables predicted Wilson's life expectancy from age 46 pretty much on the money.

Wilson makes other questionable assertions in this essay. For example:


. . . Dr. Paul Segall of UC-Berketey predicts that we will be able to raise human lifespan to "400 years or more" by the 1990s.


Unless this refers to some unknown "ultracentenarian" like the Highlander, I don't think anyone around in the 1990's started out life in the 1590's, during William Shakespeare's career. We don't know if anyone can live to 400 years until someone actually does it, and that won't happen for someone born in the 20th Century until the 24th Century, at the earliest.

Wilson then says,

Even cryonic freezing — the long-range gambler's approach to longevity, when it started in the 60s — is advancing by leaps and quantum jumps. An October 1975 McGraw-Hill poll found the majority of experts in the field believed cryonic freezing would be perfected and perfectly safe by 2000.


Okay, what "experts in the field" did this poll ask, and what "leaps and quantum jumps" in cryonics in the 1970's does Wilson refer to? Apart from Dr. Paul Segall, the mainstream cryobiological community in the 1970's considered cryonics an embarrassment and tried to discriminate against its members who advocated the research. And, obviously, the "perfected and perfectly safe" cryosuspension, by which I guess Wilson meant a survivable procedure integrated into mainstream medicine, certainly didn't arrive seven years ago.

And, of course, Wilson states an early version of the "actuarial escape velocity" idea now credited to Ray Kurzweil and Aubrey de Grey:

The basic Immortalist argument runs as follows. Be as conservative as you like in estimating the probable life-extension breakthroughs of the next two or three decades. Assume the relatively tame prediction made by Dr. Bjorksten back in 1973, when this research was (by com­parison with its present status) in its infan­cy. Say that Bjorksten was right then and we can only expect to see lifespan increas­ed to 140 years in the near future.

But this means that, if you are in your 40s, you will probably not be hauled off­stage by the Grim Reaper in 2008, as the insurance companies are betting. You will probably still be here in 2078. And if you are in your twenties or younger, you have a good chance of being around until 2098.


From the perspective of what has actually happened between 1978 and 2007, Wilson clearly sucks as a "futurist." No wonder today's "futurists" have felt the need to postpone the science-fictional stuff until the latter 21st Century and beyond.

And people wonder why the 21st Century so far doesn't impress me, despite all the visionary progress porn about this era I consumed as a child and teenager.

#2 Athanasios

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 03:17 PM

If he is off by 50 years, I dont think it will be too bad of a prediction. It just doesnt help him.

Mostly, what he wrote was to encourage people to think beyond taboo limits, and to think with optimism. Reading "Upwingers" seems silly if you stick all the predictions onto the author, but it is a rather good book if you take the meaning a real good look.

No reason to say what he wrote here is rubbish, just because the dates are off. Many people do dismiss everything due to this fact. It just gives them an easy out, to not face their fear.

#3 John Schloendorn

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 07:00 PM

many sober and cautious scien­tists to believe that human lifespan can be doubled, tripled or even extended in­definitely in this generation

Unfortunately, this is almost as wrong now as it was then...

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#4 advancedatheist

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:20 PM

If he is off by 50 years, I dont think it will be too bad of a prediction. It just doesnt help him.


I don't think Wilson's drug-using bohemian lifestyle served him well in the end. His buddy Timothy Leary died in a similarly sad way "on schedule," despite the latter's bold rhetoric in the 1970's about SMIL2E and his sometime cryonics arrangements with Alcor, eventually cancelled before he died. (In the early 1990's I handled Leary's file at Alcor while helping to get members' paperwork up to date. The disorganized documents told me a lot about Leary's lack of efficiency in his last years.)

Mostly, what he wrote was to encourage people to think beyond taboo limits, and to think with optimism. Reading "Upwingers" seems silly if you stick all the predictions onto the author, but it is a rather good book if you take the meaning a real good look.


I like F.M. Esfandiary's Upwingers as well. But FM should have changed his name to "FM-2130," because the world in the real year 2030 probably won't resemble what he foresaw. Greg Klerkx in his essay "The transhumanists as tribe" (pdf) calls FM's version of transhumanism a "spent cultural force," considering that it arose in the context of utopian social movements active 40 years ago that have long since dissipated after failing to transform society.

No reason to say what he wrote here is rubbish, just because the dates are off. Many people do dismiss everything due to this fact. It just gives them an easy out, to not face their fear.


Yeah, but I've gotten old enough (47) to have that "I've heard those promises before" feeling. The experience makes me wary of the latest iteration of claims that "immortality" lies around the corner.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:43 PM

It is true that you can not wish everything into existence.

The main thing I took from "upwingers" was not to create a self-fulfilling prophecy that something can not be done.

I really liked how Anne walked the line in her new blog post, on "Existence is Wonderful", as she talks about past "promises" and current potential. I don't think it is obvious that any progress has been made, or will be made, until you look at the research side of things. We are getting a lot of information quickly, a lot of computing power quickly, and work in aging of specific diseases are funding a push that will help the understanding of aging as well. One thing that Kurzweil points out that is intriguing is the shift in biology from hit and miss discovery to building medicines from the ground up based on understanding.

Are the current promises worth while? As long as they are in check enough that they arent going to cause backlash like the past promises did, I think they are. There is definitely a line to walk. The whole cautiously optimistic approach but yet very excited about what life extension means, the consequences, and what extent we should be fighting for it.

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Posted 28 January 2007 - 10:58 PM

Despite poor predictions of the past, progress has been made. The average lifespan has increased. The insurance tables have been constantly adjusted upward in the last few decades. You know it. I know it. Why deny it?

According to Chris Heward (Kronos, spoke at the Imminst conference) The increase of 50 years in the average human lifespan (over about the last 100 years) has come at both ends of human life. Most of it has come from declining death rates among newborns, but 7 years has been added because of declining death rates at the end of life!!

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 02:57 AM

Despite poor predictions of the past, progress has been made. The average lifespan has increased. The insurance tables have been constantly adjusted upward in the last few decades. You know it. I know it. Why deny it?


I don't deny it. We just don't know how to get people reliably to the supercentenarian stage in good shape, much less beyond it. Some unknown combination of accidents allows a handful of people (many of them poor!) to make it to at least 110 years of age, without their doing any of the things advocated by the "life extension" theorists, pseudoscientists and quacks over the past generation, many of whom look destined to die according to the actuarial schedule any way like Robert Anton Wilson and Roy Walford.




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