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[blaman]

For as long as I remember, I am the kindof person who sleeps for ATLEAST 8 hours, anything less and I feel shit. Ideally, I hit the 10-11h mark. Now, if you want to be productive in life, sleep is the thing that has to be most efficient - if you can sleep better in 7 hours than 11 hours, why the hell not?

Last year, I experimented with GHB prodrug, GBL. I used 2ml (equates to 3g GHB) before sleep, and woke up after 6-7h fully refreshed. GHB reduces REM sleep and increases deep sleep, so I am assuming it helped to increase the quality of sleep.

Another thing I have noticed is after a night of moderate drinking (6-8 units), I also need a lot less sleep - again, I feel awake after 6-7h, albiet a bit dehydrated. That again, I have been told is REM sleep reduction.

Normally, it takes me a few minutes at most to go to sleep. As soon as I lie down and close my eyes, I begin to feel sleepy and as I relax, I fall asleep. I generally dont have any dream recall either. After sleep for 10h+, there is no recollection of how all that time passed...

I am not depressed, quite content with life and optimistic about the future. Once I am awake, I have the energy to get along with day to day activities, have the motivation to be sociable, but at the same time not as much as I would like. A couple of issues would be lack of appetite, and a craving for altered state of mind (either noots, music, recreational drugs)...

How are your sleeping habits? What would you say the issue with me is - any suggestions of lifestyle/diet/supplement changes to cut the sleeping time down with better, more efficient sleep?

[Thorsten3]

I thought GBL quality of sleep sucked big time for me personally. I can only assume you are not an experienced user or you have some abnormal bodily clock that sleeps past the 4 hour point. Every time I took GBL for sleep purposes it would knock me out always for 4 hours and then I would immidiatly wake up feeling extremely alert. At this point though it would be absolutely impossible to get back to sleep. I would sort of lay there and for the next few hours you would have this odd sensation of feeling like you are totally alert but the time passes so quickly you must have been in a strange state of weird sleep all along. It is not quality sleep that's for sure. I would usually feel quite alert still for the next day (next day rebound effect - be it dopamine, glutamate or whatever) but there would be an element of shittiness to it (due to the bad quality of sleep).
I have now given up GBL. I thought it was wonderful when I first took it - right up there with old quality MDMA (the first few times you do it). The perfect alternative to alcohol. Unfortunately I got to like it a bit too much and it took over me. It has so much addiction potential. GHB is probably different (the effects creep up more slowly on you so I have read) and maybe I should have converted my GBL to prevent the problems that occured for me but in all honesty I would probably have abused the old GBH too. So it's a distant memory for me now. I have switched back to alcohol and I am now back with the general public with their love for getting drunk!

Just had a thought actually. If you took 2ml that would not have taken you past the point of knocking you out (involuntary sleep - o/d - whatever you want to call it) - of course presuming that 2ml doesn't knock you out?? Which would explain how you slept past the 3-5 hour point where one would normally wake up (if you did take too much and you exceeded the knockout point).
So in theory you could use the drug like that for a sleep aid although that would purely be an individuals choice. I prefer more natural methods. Plus this magical 'rebound' that people talk about where you feel great the next day really started aggravating my anxiety. I started getting feelings of what I can only describe as absolute dread. Not nice. I thought it was time to start looking after my gaba-b receptors and thus chucked my bottle down the sink.

[rwac]

Have you been tested for sleep apnea ?
That would be one of the causes of unrefreshing sleep ....

[blaman]

I thought GBL quality of sleep sucked big time for me personally. I can only assume you are not an experienced user or you have some abnormal bodily clock that sleeps past the 4 hour point. Every time I took GBL for sleep purposes it would knock me out always for 4 hours and then I would immidiatly wake up feeling extremely alert. At this point though it would be absolutely impossible to get back to sleep. I would sort of lay there and for the next few hours you would have this odd sensation of feeling like you are totally alert but the time passes so quickly you must have been in a strange state of weird sleep all along. It is not quality sleep that's for sure. I would usually feel quite alert still for the next day (next day rebound effect - be it dopamine, glutamate or whatever) but there would be an element of shittiness to it (due to the bad quality of sleep).
I have now given up GBL. I thought it was wonderful when I first took it - right up there with old quality MDMA (the first few times you do it). The perfect alternative to alcohol. Unfortunately I got to like it a bit too much and it took over me. It has so much addiction potential. GHB is probably different (the effects creep up more slowly on you so I have read) and maybe I should have converted my GBL to prevent the problems that occured for me but in all honesty I would probably have abused the old GBH too. So it's a distant memory for me now. I have switched back to alcohol and I am now back with the general public with their love for getting drunk!

Just had a thought actually. If you took 2ml that would not have taken you past the point of knocking you out (involuntary sleep - o/d - whatever you want to call it) - of course presuming that 2ml doesn't knock you out?? Which would explain how you slept past the 3-5 hour point where one would normally wake up (if you did take too much and you exceeded the knockout point).
So in theory you could use the drug like that for a sleep aid although that would purely be an individuals choice. I prefer more natural methods. Plus this magical 'rebound' that people talk about where you feel great the next day really started aggravating my anxiety. I started getting feelings of what I can only describe as absolute dread. Not nice. I thought it was time to start looking after my gaba-b receptors and thus chucked my bottle down the sink.

I went through 400ml in a period of 6 months, using it basically every night and sometimes recreationally for nights out. For me, 1.2ml was threshold of pleasant effects, 1.5ml was a good effect and 2ml was strong and fairly hypnotic - I could stay awake at this dose if I really wanted to or was doing anything productive and engaging, but if I lay in bed and started thinking, sleep would take over. For me, the rebound effect was never particularly strong, and after near daily use of a month, any initial stimulating properties of it basically disappeared, and it became quite a sedating substance unless I had a stimulant with it. I never got the rebound effect from the 2ml dose where I could control the effects (equates to roughly 3.2g of GHB) but a couple of times when I took more - 2.5ml or so (equates to nearly 4g), I had no choice but to 'pass out', and at this point I did get a minor rebound, an awakening 4 hours or so into sleep, but I slept instantly afterwards without any problems.

For me it was a wonder substance and dirt cheap. The reason I am not getting more is because it is becoming illegal soon, and also because of its possible toxicity on the body - I never noticed any changes in health apart from deteroration in skin quality but noone is certain about it. I wish there was a substitute for me which offered the anxiety relief and relaxation as well as the sense of well being and slight euphoria/pain relief/music enhancement/sexual enhancement/reduction in inhibition it offered, but alas, I dont think there is any...

Sleep apnea - I dont know, I guess alcohol or GHB would not have shown much improvement. I dont snore at night from what I have been told. I feel it might be more neurotransmittor based...

[aaron_e]

taking alot of timed release b12 at bedtime helps me feel better the next day.