There should be no reason why we need to pay more then $60 for 50mg even at retail pricing
More like 16usd for 50mg...
Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:18 PM
There should be no reason why we need to pay more then $60 for 50mg even at retail pricing
Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:29 AM
Edited by positiveeddy, 23 May 2013 - 04:47 AM.
Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:28 AM
http://www.google.co...tents/US6727227
can someone please look at these patents that Vladimir filed like 9 years ago and tell me if its legal to produce this peptide #1 and #2 if its legal to sell for research purposes ? or otherwise?
the way it looks to me is that the AGAG peptide has patents filed in several countries and looks to me like he was or is trying to corner the market.
if nobody else can sell it then it really isn't fair first of all as they can mark the price up to anything they want and sue anyone for making it right? I would like this spelled out for me by someone who really knows patent law and peptides and specifically this one I linked above.
what I am getting at is it would sure be nice if there were other labs out there that step up to the plate and sell this one day to compete with with the epitalon guys by selling a generic version AGAG
Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:41 PM
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Edited by positiveeddy, 23 May 2013 - 09:12 PM.
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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:02 PM
SciWalk posted quite a bit about this early on and mentioned that that kavinson had only copyrighted the name, are these patents actually granted or pending,
Edited by positiveeddy, 23 May 2013 - 09:03 PM.
Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:19 PM
Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:28 PM
Sounds to me as if you are looking for a free legal opinion. If it is so important to you that you get a reliable legal opinion that will hol,d up in a court of law, why are you looking for it free in a public forum? This ain't the place to get it IMHO. Hire a patent attorney.
Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:05 AM
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:39 PM
Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:50 PM
I did get a response from a patent lawyer already. It is definitely protected under patent and they have the right to sue anyone for making or selling or using for the purpose of anti aging until the year 2024 when it comes off patent and the invention becomes public knowledge. So we have another 10.5 years to wait until this technically becomes legal to make and use etc.
pretty much sucks... just some info fyi... I wouldn't be concerned about having it made for personal consumption but anything more then that and this guy finds out someone is benefiting financially from selling his invention and I would assume there would be some trouble with the law...
Edited by Methos000, 24 May 2013 - 02:51 PM.
Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:05 PM
I did get a response from a patent lawyer already. It is definitely protected under patent and they have the right to sue anyone for making or selling or using for the purpose of anti aging until the year 2024 when it comes off patent and the invention becomes public knowledge. So we have another 10.5 years to wait until this technically becomes legal to make and use etc.
pretty much sucks... just some info fyi... I wouldn't be concerned about having it made for personal consumption but anything more then that and this guy finds out someone is benefiting financially from selling his invention and I would assume there would be some trouble with the law...
Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:09 PM
I did get a response from a patent lawyer already. It is definitely protected under patent and they have the right to sue anyone for making or selling or using for the purpose of anti aging until the year 2024 when it comes off patent and the invention becomes public knowledge. So we have another 10.5 years to wait until this technically becomes legal to make and use etc.
pretty much sucks... just some info fyi... I wouldn't be concerned about having it made for personal consumption but anything more then that and this guy finds out someone is benefiting financially from selling his invention and I would assume there would be some trouble with the law...
Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:39 PM
Edited by positiveeddy, 24 May 2013 - 09:49 PM.
Posted 27 May 2013 - 02:04 PM
Posted 27 May 2013 - 09:57 PM
What is SRC ?It's really quite simple. Buy it for your own research use via a simple Google search to source it. literally, typing in "buy epitalon" will bring you the cheapest source from SRC. Amazing!
Posted 28 May 2013 - 08:48 AM
Posted 01 June 2013 - 10:57 PM
Edited by DorianGrey, 01 June 2013 - 11:19 PM.
Posted 02 June 2013 - 04:18 AM
Is there any evidence that Epitalon sublingual or oral at about 3mg/day really activates telomerase?Isn't there a single person that has tested before and after a couple of months on the drug, without too many other changes in lifestyle or supplementation in between?
What I've seen in the literature hasn't convinced me yet, some effect in mice to push the maximum lifespan and one paper using 5ug/mL for 4 days on a single cell line (fibroblasts, difference was 34 vs 44 divisions. I thought the Hayflick limit is 50?). Also, I am not fully sure that using ELISA kit or fluorescence is the best way to come up with best results (this was ten years ago, so maybe appropriate at that time).
I keep an eye on epitalon, but I wouldn't try it yet until there is at least a bit more data on safety and efficacy. Is it approved as a drug for any indication? That would produce enough safety data.
Epithalon peptide induces telomerase activity and telomere elongation in human somatic cells. Khavinson, V.K.h., Bondarev, I.E., Butyugov, A.A. Bull. Exp. Biol. Med. (2003) [Pubmed]
http://morelife.org/...rs/12937682.pdf
Bull Exp Biol Med. 2004 May;137(5):503-6.
Peptide promotes overcoming of the division limit in human somatic cell.
Khavinson VKh, Bondarev IE, Butyugov AA, Smirnova TD.
Source
St. Petersburg Institute of Bioregulation and gerontology, North-Western Division of Russian Academy of Medical Sciences.
Abstract
We previously showed that treatment of normal human diploid cells with Epithalon (Ala-Glu-Asp-Gly) induced expression of telomerase catalytic subunit, its enzymatic activity, and elongation of telomeres. Here we studied the effect of this peptide on proliferative potential of human fetal fibroblasts. Primary pulmonary fibroblasts derived from a 24-week fetus lost the proliferative potential at the 34th passage. The mean size of telomeres in these cells was appreciably lower than during early passages (passage 10). Addition of Epithalon to aging cells in culture induced elongation of telomeres to the size comparable to their length during early passages. Peptide-treated cells with elongated telomeres made 10 extra divisions (44 passages) in comparison with the control and continued dividing. Hence, Epithalon prolonged the vital cycle of normal human cells due to overcoming the Heyflick limit.
Posted 02 June 2013 - 04:59 PM
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Posted 02 June 2013 - 05:20 PM
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Posted 02 June 2013 - 05:49 PM
I am ordering a Premium test from http://www.telome.com & I will be starting my Telomere lengthening treatment beginning July 1st 2013.
I will take another test at 6 months. Another at 12 months. Again at 24 months. And again at 60 months.
I will post all results on this thread.
Posted 02 June 2013 - 05:54 PM
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