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[hooter]

Is anyone else familiar with the combination of low dose psilocin (or 4-aco-dmt, aka psilacetin) and piracetam? If you interpret it correctly, Entheogens have been used by shamen exclusively for nootropic purposes. They suddenly obtain knowledge from a 'drug spirit'. This is in my eyes a clear primitive description of a potent value changing and meme annihilating nootropic.

I have had quite remarkable results in terms of demolishing writer's block, inducing creativity and expanding my horizons. I feel like instead of just a depth-wise approach to intellect, this is the only true solution for a broader perspective.

I've used 5-10mg psilacetin with 1-5g piracetam maximum once per week. This combined with meditative practice and the method of loci easily facilitates the creation of mental palaces and mnemonic encoding. It does away with the linearity of learning and creates a childlike associative and receptive intelligence state. I've found that learning languages on this combination is equally easy as it was when I was a child. It dissolves any pre-existing hurdles or barriers that your personality or experience are creating and allows unrestrained cognition to be directed.

If anyone else has experience with this, or any questions, please go ahead.

[Steve_86]

I've had similar experience with low dose psilocybin mushrooms or LSD (liquid) with piracetam or oxiracetam. I think i read that leaving psilocybin mushrooms in lemon juice converts the psilocybin to psilocin... not sure if that's true or not?. How did get pure psilocin?

Edited by Steve_86, 01 March 2012 - 02:33 PM.

[hooter]

Psilacetin (4-aco-dmt) can be obtained online, and this is fully legal. Psilacetin has no effects on its own, and immediately metabolises into psilocin upon ingestion. Therefore it is sensible just to refer to it as being identical when only referencing effects. It is less confusing and stressing than a mushroom experience. It seems that the psilocybin and some phenylethylamines contained in the mushroom further modulate the experience. Most users have found psilacetin to be greatly superior and more comfortable with less nausea. The strong stimulating and deeply emotional effects of mushrooms can be partially ascribed to these additional alkaloids.

Here is something from the wikipedia entry worth looking at:

Several available reports of O-Acetylpsilocin compare it favorably to psilocybin, describing it as more euphoric, gentle, warm, and colorful. It has also been described as less jarring, and less likely to produce nausea, and it has been noted by users that O-Acetylpsilocin is a somewhat sedating psychedelic. However, many of these comparisons are made with mushrooms, not pure psilocybin. In addition, it is unknown to what degree expectancy plays a role in shaping that experience.

There are claims of subjective differences in effect between the acetylated and not acetylated forms of psilocin. Some users report that O-Acetylpsilocin lasts slightly longer than psilocin; others report that it lasts for a considerably shorter time. Many users report less body load and nausea compared to psilocin. Some users find that the visual distortions produced by O-Acetylpsilocin more closely resemble those produced by DMT than those produced by psilocin. These differences could be possible if Psilacetin is active itself and not merely as a prodrug. Many users, however, can not tell the difference between these two compounds when ingested.

Thus a nootropically useful dose would cap at 10 - 13mg, while a perfect dose for expanding your mental horizons would be around 15 - 20mg. Personally I would argue that 5-7mg of psilacetin and 5g of piracetam are quite enough. The reason why most people just see the 'transcendental' effects are because such low dosing is difficult with other substances. The nootropic effects at doses between 4-10mg combined with piracetam are incredible. Do not take more than 30mg. If you only want nootropic effects, stay below 13mg. Paradise lost, and found!

As subjective as you might think these effects are, here is an anecdote that I personally enjoy:

I was playing guitar around several sober individuals. I had eaten some mushrooms and piracetam 20 minutes prior and was waiting for it to kick in. I'm a decent player but nothing impressive even by youtube video standards. Once the effects started off fully, I descended slowly into a fully hypnotic zone. And the only thing that snapped me out of it was the people around me cheering and telling me that my playing was amazing. I did not remember a single note I played, but people talked about this for weeks after. Now I understand Jimi.

One of my friends is particularly interested in TETRIS, and after trying my combination he scored 5 times his regular score. I think the only mistake people can make here is to underestimate.

If you're adept at something creative before taking this combination, expect to get a whole lot better.

(If you are really serious about getting the most out of this, noise cancelling earmuffs and a blindfold can do wonders for your imagination. Richard Feynman used deprivation tanks and ketamine to accomplish roughly the same thing, but my method is not only a bit more DIY and user accessible but also safer on a pharmacological basis. )

Edited by hooter, 01 March 2012 - 04:58 PM.

[Steve_86]

Sounds interesting but I'm pretty sure Psilacetin would be covered by Australia's analogue drug laws and thus illegal where I live :(

[Solo213]

I've always wanted to try this it looks awesome... Hooter can you send me a vendor or post a vendor for Psilacetin? Thanks.

[hooter]

After significant amounts of research with several friends and longecity members, and also based on the John Hopkin's University studies the optimal doses of psilacetin (4-aco-dmt) would be something like this:

Nootropic Dose: 0.08 * kg to 0.15 * kg
Transcendent Dose: 0.25 * kg to 0.35 * kg
Ego Death: 0.4 to 0.7 * kg

The individual dosages depend on tolerance, metabolism and uptake. I recommend people start with the nootropic dose and then after becoming experienced with transcendent doses, they can try ego death. I think a single ego death experience is absolutely adequate and nootropic doses are far more useful in the long run.

You can check vendor legitimacy on "safeorscam.com".

As for supplementation during the trips:

• 1 tablespoon of cacao nibs (improves mood and focus)
• 1-2g of piracetam (instead of muddled visuals and thoughts, things become geometric and more readily understood)

Edited by hooter, 09 April 2012 - 07:46 PM.

[Junk Master]

Good thread.

[Blink]

I've once played unreal tournament on the come down from a shroom trip. It was as if time was moving a little slower so that I could react and aim better. The associative ability was increased as well which at times made it a little hard to stay focused since my thoughts often wanted to deviate from the game - "oh look at that beautiful virtual waterfall, it reminds me of when I was out fishing as a little kid, I can see it so clearly, BAAM game over".

Another interesting psychedelic substance is 25C-NBOMe. It's a phenethylamine that shares more similarities with LSD than with Psilocin, but it's less confusing and disorienting than both of them.

[hooter]

Ah! Another 25c-nbome fan I see
4-aco-dmt and 25c-nbome are the only research chemicals I would even consider taking!

25c-nbome has such remarkable single affinity for a receptor and low toxicity that they're planning to use it for neurological mapping of serotonin receptors I believe.

Edited by hooter, 10 April 2012 - 06:32 PM.

[Pirate]

I'm interested in Psilacetin in nootropic dosage for creativity/problem solving. Where do you get it?

[panhedonic]

I'm interested as well, but not being fond of "transcendent" experiences, I'd like to be really careful in sticking to "nootropic" doses.

Ego death sounds like fun! as in, "hey, can't go to the pub now, my ego just died and he's the only one who remembered where I left the car keys"

Edited by brainjuice, 28 September 2012 - 07:55 AM.

[Raza]

Interesting idea!

I might be trying this soon.

ETA I'm not finding 5-aco-dmt with any of my regular RC vendors. D'you have a source you trust?

Edited by Raza, 28 September 2012 - 10:19 AM.

[noopeptisgood]

So do you dose and then study? Or do you dose, go through the experience and then study in the afterglow? Do the positive effects linger?

[shp5]

Interesting idea!

I might be trying this soon.

ETA I'm not finding 5-aco-dmt with any of my regular RC vendors. D'you have a source you trust?

good question.

[noopeptisgood]

Googling the CAS number of any drug can usually bring up a source. I've a great source for the stuff, but I'll keep it to myself. :mwahaha:

[Adaptogen]

i got some from biochemdistribution.co, i think it came with a certificate analysis and its a decent price.

i feel that i notice piracetam and noopept sometimes inhibiting the effects of the 4aco-dmt, but it is hard to say. i will experiment with a megadose of each

Edited by Adaptogen, 05 December 2012 - 10:40 AM.

[starlight_starbright]

Adaptogen - your statement is akin to admitting to a crime because that chemical is illegal in the USA under analogue laws. Best to keep it to yourself! But thank-you for the information on the inhibitory effects of racetams on 4-aco-dmt. Very helpful!

[Adaptogen]

the analogue drug laws only exist in your mind

[lifebuddy]

adaptogen - huh? as demonstrated by numerous research chemical raids, the analogue drug laws are in other peoples minds too

[Adaptogen]

i'm pretty sure they only raid people selling the drug..not for just talking about using it on a longevity forum. besides what bad could really happen just from mentioning it?

[lifebuddy]

Sorry for the serious tone my friend!
I just have friends that have been raided for purchasing research chemicals over the internet. The drug war seems very distant and strange until your door gets busted down and your body thrown to the floor by the DEA. I know what you mean though - no harm in talking about it, but it is probably best to stick to the 3rd person

[Adaptogen]

i understand and appreciate you looking out for me. your friends got raided just for purchasing, not selling?? that makes me fearful

[machete234]

Any news on psilacetin or any other low dose tryptamines or phenethylamines?
I have it at home but I have only taken a light trip so far and I recently used a low dosed phenethylamine to get focus on some easy math type excercise sheets, obviously you dont need something to be smarter for easy math but my mental stamina was better. (Or I got in the mood and I didnt get out of that mood)

How often could it be safe to use a psychedelic in dosages where you are not really tripping?

Edited by machete234, 05 February 2013 - 01:59 PM.

[Adaptogen]

as far as I know, psilocybin is safe indefinitely. You could trip every day, even at moderate doses, and have no negative physical effects.

I read a study in which rats were constantly injected with psilocin, and they tried to link it to cardiac tissue damage, but this was a result of excess adrenaline, not the drug...
the rat hearts were given no time to rest. i can imagine that adrenaline release is probably one of the only effects that most lower intelligence animals get from 4-ho-dmt, so it would make no since to try and compare these results to occasional use in humans.

[machete234]

Yes its hard to prove if animals have visions from these substances, Albert Hofmann wrote in his book that they dont show behaviour that suggests this.

Higher dosages of these drugs and by that I mean dosages that give you visions build a tolerance that needs at least a week to go down again but I dont know if several sub psychedelic dosages do that at all.

[shp5]

Browsing the crazy that is noot section,  it's kind of ironic that hesitate to recommend 4-aco because it's a psychadelic.

if you have any penchant for meditation, try hooters combo. when out of the blue you ask yourself "what is, when I'm still" and then you experience stillness, it's incredible.

 

thanks hooter!

 

 

 

 

also, don't touch 25C-NBOMe, there are worrying reports on bluelight about related deaths.