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[anagram]

alright, when this bottle runs out, I think i'm going to go for the Bioastin because nature bounty probably isn't as absorbable, I need a high quality Astaxanthin supplement because of its health effects. oh and just to explain, I don't take Lycopene at all because its a carotenoid(definitely not a good one), I take it because its metabolites decrease insulin like growth factor(like Resveratrol), decrease alfatoxin binding, as well as stimulate DNA repair(big one in my book). Astaxanthin's stabilizing effect on mitochondria probably out weights the benefits of lycopene, and I think that astaxanthin has a lot of the same benefits as lycopene, but I like to mix my supplements for maximum effect.

Edited by anagram, 01 December 2012 - 05:25 AM.

[maxwatt]

definitely, when I take the astaxanthin + c60, I feel like I have more energy, though this comes some time after taking it. I suspect that the c60 has more time to move around body when it has the astaxanthin attached, and therefore becomes more viable to your cells. I feel like it is a slower metabolized version of plain c60 which in my opinion feels like its there and gone in a few, this however feels present for days. I would not recommend supplementing only with this because it actually feels like it builds up to uncomfortable levels. my verdict is to use it sparingly with normal c60.

sparingly as in take it not every day, it feels really really potent. another thing I should add is that I feel much much younger, like all the methyl groups on my DNA have been removed. I mean honestly, I really actually feel much younger.

At night I take astaxanthin + c60, a very small sublingual dose of PQQ(to increase DNA synthesis), a spoon of molasses(for purines), l-lysine, l-ornethine, alpha lipoic acid(for histone deacytelase inhibition), sometimes a lycopene capsule, and 1.5mg of melatonin( for mitochondria uncoupling). I woke up this morning with an ultra clear mind, absolutely nothing I couldn't do. my day went along with literally the cleanest, most solid feelings I've ever had. literally nothing compares as a nootropic. it wasn't like I was on drugs, I was fully aware, conscious, and normal.
the only downside is that melatonin may mess up your pineal gland, and my breath smells in the morning from all the purines, and I've grown half an inch and my nose has grown 1 cm in one week.


also, something I should add is that my mitochondria are now extremely powerful, I am a little hungery all the time, but never really really hungery, and I seem to be able to metabolize terpenes really easily now. oh and to make sure that I don't get cancer, I have used tea tree oil around the house to get rid of all alfatoxin producing molds, and fungi.

right now I feel like im a million years old and yet a child at the same time, its pretty far out actually.

ha, well... albert hoffmen

jk, natures bounty

Right, astaxanthin... whose your dealer?

anagram's post did seem hallucinogenic, and playfully unserious. Albert Hoffman inspired lunacy no doubt.

[anagram]

"hallucinogenic... playfully unserious" - ha

what do you expect from someone doing the things that I am doing?
when I describe what is going on, its not like i am funny because i am laughing at a transient figment of my imagination that next to me or something, its just that in some ways its unreal what i am doing, and describing it can sound really funny.

On the other hand, I was taking melatonin,which is in every sense of the word, hallucinogenic. c60 is such a good antioxidant, I wouldn't be surprised If I had way to many neurotransmitters in my head.

Albert Hoffman - R.I.T
"rest in tabs"

[niner]

Anagram, throughout this thread, you've said some things that make it sound like you're suffering from psychosis.

[Fred_CALICO]

C60 as the vehicle/carrier of astaxanthin?

Edited by sell58, 02 December 2012 - 02:12 PM.

[anagram]

no the other way around, Astaxanthin as a carrier for c60+ olive oil. using Astaxanthin is a unique solvent because it has hydrophilic groups that make it water soluble, and Astaxanthin has a chromophore system which can theoretically bind to c60 after being irradiated. Astaxanthin is also very good for your mitochondria and enhances ATP production, and protects ageist harmful UV rays.

this is all theoretical though, because the Astaxanthin might be oxidized by the c60 before it reaches your mitochondrial membrane. taking them separately is probably a bit better, but like I said earlier "I like to mix my supplements".

and niner,
I can't see how I am in any way psychotic, I mean how in any way do I seem the slightest psychotic.
OK, maybe I give off a mad scientist vibe or something, but that's because you have to experiment in science. Artists let their creative energy flow when they make art, why shouldn't I do the same. Think about how good it was of an Idea to add c60 to Astaxanthin. incredible huh. every time I learn something new I try think about how it relates to everything else, for instance, Apples are known to mildly inhibit acetylcholinesterase, I think, well those incectides must seep into the apple pretty deep, because I know that organophosphates are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors.

Edited by anagram, 02 December 2012 - 05:53 PM.

[Fred_CALICO]

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no the other way around, Astaxanthin as a carrier for c60+ olive oil. using Astaxanthin is a unique solvent because it has hydrophilic groups that make it water soluble, and Astaxanthin has a chromophore system which can theoretically bind to c60 after being irradiated. Astaxanthin is also very good for your mitochondria and enhances ATP production, and protects ageist harmful UV rays.<br />
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this is all theoretical though, because the Astaxanthin might be oxidized by the c60 before it reaches your mitochondrial membrane. taking them separately is probably a bit better, but like I said earlier &quot;I like to mix my supplements&quot;.<br />
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and niner,<br />
I can&#39;t see how I am in any way psychotic, I mean how in any way do I seem the slightest psychotic.<br />
OK, maybe I give off a mad scientist vibe or something, but that&#39;s because you have to experiment in science. Artists let their creative energy flow when they make art, why shouldn&#39;t I do the same. Think about how good it was of an Idea to add c60 to Astaxanthin. incredible huh. every time I learn something new I try think about how it relates to everything else, for instance, Apples are known to mildly inhibit acetylcholinesterase, I think, well those incectides must seep into the apple pretty deep, because I know that organophosphates are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors.<br />

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After reading the post
http://www.longecity...hl__astaxanthin

I have a question.
So as you astaxanthin must also be a carrier of tocotrienols?

[niner]

Astaxanthin is not a "carrier" for c60, and it is not a solvent in this context. The c60 that we are all using isn't pure c60; it has been reacted with olive oil, which forms an "adduct". The term "adduct" just means that the c60 has been "added" to another molecule, and has formed a covalent bond to it. In this case, the other molecule is probably the oleic acid part of the olive oil triglyceride, though it might also be other fatty acids. After the reaction product is hydrolyzed by lipases, you'll be left with a c60 with some number of fatty acids bound to it. The acidic ends of the fatty acids are extremely hydrophilic, and the fatty acid-substituted c60 really doesn't need any help getting absorbed or transported to where it's needed.

Because of its long conjugated double bond system (alternating double and single bonds), astaxanthin might serve to transmit electrons over a distance, acting like a wire. It might act to conduct electrons to or from c60, so a synergy is conceivable, though I don't know if there's any evidence for this, I'm just speculating. It's also possible that astaxanthin might form an addition product with c60. C60 is known to add to unsaturated systems (like oleic acid), forming addition products. If any of the c60-oo reacts with astaxanthin, it might be responsible for a synergy, but again, this is speculation on my part.

Astaxanthin is unlikely to be a carrier for tocotrienols.

[anagram]

when astaxanthin is hit with a photon, it gains an electron. c60 just so happens to love electrons which is why it is an SOD mimetic.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20119990
I know this is a bit out of context but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7s09dygL1w

Edited by anagram, 03 December 2012 - 03:21 AM.

[Adaptogen]

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Edited by Adaptogen, 03 December 2012 - 03:40 AM.

[maxwatt]

oh my god, makes me want to run out and buy some astaxanthan as soon as the the health food store opens.

[Kevnzworld]

Nice videos anagram!
I don't think that astaxanthin is " all that ". I take it along with other carotenoids for eye, membrane and cardiovascular health. Mitigating lipid peroxidation is important to me given that I take 2-3 grams of fish oil daily and who knows what's in my diet given that I eat out 90% of the time.
http://www.mendeley....d-peroxidation/
" The present study suggests that intestinal absorption of astaxanthin delivered as capsules is adequate, and well tolerated. Supplementation with astaxanthin may decrease in vivo oxidation of fatty acids in healthy men."
Note that this was an invivo study with men. ( not rats ).

"Overall, this study shows that dietary astaxanthin enhanced immune response, and decreased a DNA oxi- dative damage biomarker and inflammation in young healthy females."
http://www.biomedcen...3-7075-7-18.pdf

[pleb]

anagram you wrote, when astaxanthin is hit with a photon, it gains an electron,

this doesn't make sense, can you please explain it,

[daouda]

I can't see how I am in any way psychotic, I mean how in any way do I seem the slightest psychotic.

Really? Your delusion of grandeur (all your "amazing, incredible discoveries", you being "a step ahead of everyone else", being a genius-like "mad scientist"), growing half an inch and your nose growing 1cm in one week... and the global tone of your posts and your writing style?

This is actually concerning (especially the fact that you dont realize it "the slightest"), and let me tell you everybody reading this thread is thinking the same thing, only niner is being honest with you, and all the other guys posting in this thread acting like everything is normal are NOT doing you a favor.
At least there doesnt seem to be any danger for the moment, but you should really take a step back and try to reassess yourself (which is really hard to do when youre into that stor of mental state, actually pretty much impossible)... if you enter a full blown psychosis/mania there WILL be negative consequences for you and probably your entourage (my father is bipolar I know what Im talking about)

Edited by daouda, 03 December 2012 - 04:27 PM.

[Turnbuckle]

My experience based on just a few trials: C60 + EVOO gives me nothing that I can feel, nothing that makes me think I've taken a stimulant of any kind, but there are definitely effects. A capsule of 6 mg astaxanthin I get nothing from, but when mixed in with a good slug of EVOO, I do feel a certain mental and physical energy. It's a smooth energy. (Perhaps astaxanthin is better absorbed when mixed with OO, as the unmodified version is not water soluble, in spite of what anagram says.) When mixed with C60 + EVOO, I get more energy than astaxanthin alone, and it's a jittery energy.

These are just impressions so far, but they aren't unlike what anagram is reporting.

Edited by Turnbuckle, 03 December 2012 - 06:16 PM.

[Kevnzworld]

The studies I've looked at, including one I posted above show that astaxthanin is absorbed well. Given its lipid solubility it's half life should be long.
I don't see any reason that it needs to be taken in conjunction with C60oo.
I recently began taking the new 12 mg gels once a day vs the 4. I feel no difference.
I have noticed a little more energy and feeling mentally clearer this, my C60 off week. I'm not sure if its related. Back on Thursday, blood test next monday

[anagram]

Earlier, I wasn't using correct terminology when I said that Astaxanthin bound to c60. I became sort of confused by the wiki page on chromaphores, but the general idea of what I was trying to say was that when Astaxanthin absorbs a photon, one of its electrons goes up an orbital, and causes the molecule to change shape. I then assumed that Astaxanthin may in some way be attracted to c60 when it is in this excited state bringing the two molecules together. its a very bad theory and the two probably don't even interact that much when put into suspension together, though in the mitochondria membrane, it may be an entire different story. to put it generally, I believe that c60 used in conjunction with Astaxanthin may be an excellent supplement to take, not only because Astaxanthin increases ATP synthesis, but also because its a general and potent antioxidant that gave me better endurance. Astaxanthin allowed made me feel like I could run twice as long as i normally do, so I think that Astaxanthin may be a very useful tool against some forms of aging.

And what I said about the combo making me grow a bit was actually true, surprising. It is a little weird and Ive stopped taking melatonin because of it. the next time I see my doctor I think I am going to get my growth hormone serum checked because its all very weird when you change a bit from when people have last seen you.


there have been a few really concerning comments from people who believe that I have honestly entered psychosis and have lost my head. I feel I have to tell you that to be honest i have been a bit to jokey, and should probably stop.

Edited by anagram, 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[Adaptogen]

i don't know if you are familiar with isochroma but it seems they fear c60 is the new piracetam

[anagram]

Saying that c60 is the new Piracetam, is a very unjustified fear, considering that <1000 people use c60 and can probably be classified as a poison. its also very irrational to have such a perverse attachment to c60.

Edited by anagram, 03 December 2012 - 10:41 PM.

[Anagram 3.3]

 I'm not taking any supplements or drugs anymore. I feel really terrible about all my posts because I was super manic when I made them.

[Anagram 3.3]

Can an admin delete this whole post please?