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[exiledone1]

Hi Everyone,

Today I have started on my first nootropic, Aniracetam. Based on the advice of forum members here I have decided to keep a daily log to record everything going on with me as I start my Aniracetam journal. I'll update this thread either once or twice a day.

I look forward to any feedback as I'm new to the topic of nootropics.

What I'm Talking:

750 Mg Aniracetam capsule
500 Mg Choline Bitartrate capsule

Additional Information:

Based on advice from members of another forum I'm a part of before I came here I'm going to follow a certain procedure for a few days to test how I feel, develop baselines and etc. Here is the procedure they purposed to me and I'm currently following for the first few days...after the read your notes part I'll start to test, tweak and decide where to go, with the help of other forum members here as well.

- In the beginning, take NO choline for 2 days. Write down how you feel every few hours.
- Add 500mg (+/- 164.7 mg of bitartrate) the next few days with each 600-750 dosage of Ani. Write down how you feel (+2, +4, +6 hours after pill).
- Double choline for the next 2 days.
- Read your notes..........

I think this is a great way to establish baselines, how I feel and by recording everything allow me to keep track and hopefully find the right combination, dosage and so on for my body and mind since Nootropics seen to affect everyone different. So here is my daily log so far although my day isn't over yet. I just wanted to get this log started. In the future I'm only going to record every few hours or so, but decided to do it a little more today so I could get into the habit of keeping a log. So please bear with all the minutes.

In addition, I'm not expecting any results over night. I know this is a process and it could take me a few days to see or feel any results.


Day 1 Thursday Dec 20 2012
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9:15 am - I woke up

10:00 am - I ate breakfast - had four pieces of bacon, 2 pieces of pork sausage and a bottled water

10:19 am - I took a tablespoon and a half of 100% extra virgin olive oil as a far source although I'm sure my breakfast was enough, but it didn't hurt to take the olive oil as well.

10:20 am - took one 750 mg Aniracetam capsule with some water with no choline bitartrate to see how I feel first. I bought mine from Upgraded Self.

10:30 am - I left home for my day job which is Data Entry. I work for a company my parents own. Pretty easy job and I usually don't have much stress while at work.

10:44 am - I arrived at work. Everything appears normal so far. I feel like my usual self which is basically pretty quiet, pretty content.

11:14 am - I'm feeling the same as usual. A little bored, but that's nothing new.

11:48 am - I feel fine, no headache or anything. The only thing to report is a very slight feeling of spacing out for a moment. Hard to describe really but nothing bad and barely noticeable. It could have just been me spacing out as work is pretty dull and boring.

12:29 PM - Nothing to report, feel the same I usually do.

2:25 pm - Taking my lunch break. I went home and I took my second 750 mg Aniracetam capsule. I wasn't really hungry, but took a tablespoon of Olive Oil again before taking my pill. Had a piece of turkey, cheese stick and drank a bottle water.

3:11 pm - I had a slight tingling pain on the right side of my head. Lasted a few seconds and it went away. Nothing major though.

4:25 pm - I had a small tingling pain again on the right side of my head. Only lasted a second or two, nothing major. Got off work early and now I'm heading home.

6:30 pm - I workout doing the treadmill for about 30 minutes. I feel pretty good afterward, like a boost of energy for about 30 minutes, but that happens to me sometimes so I doubt it's the Aniracetam. In other words, I feel about the same

8:00 pm - Decided to watch Limitless just because I thought the movie fit well with what I'm about to do with these test

10:00 pm - I'm writing this journal up now and will stay up till around 2:00 am and will start my day over tomorrow.

Tomorrow I will do the same regimen as I have done today and than go from there. I believe Saturday I will start talking Aniracetam with my Choline Birtrirate and see how I feel than.

My Overview of The Day:

For the most part I have felt nothing, but I didn't expect to feel anything either. I know from many people it can take a few days for stuff to build up in the system. Plus, since I'm not on the Choline phase yet I may not feel anything. I do feel pretty good right now, but I can't say it's Aniracetam as I'm a pretty relaxed and chill person and usually feel pretty good so I don't feel it's right for me to say it's the Aniracetam without more logs.

I will keep this up everyday and look forward to chatting with you about this and learning from all you. Input, advice and thoughts are 100 percent welcome from the community. I'm excited for tomorrow. I was thinking about talking a third Aniracetam right now since I usually stay up late, but I will stick to my plans for now.

Josh

[Sun Nootropic]

WOW, seems like my diary when i was in Primary school, haha, overview of everyday is enough, including effects and side effects.
Anirecetam has been many guys`s favourite, and it`s very synergistic with Anirecetam for sustained clear thoughts.CDP-Choline is absolutely good source of choline.
keep on your record and i`ll follow it.

[exiledone1]

WOW, seems like my diary when i was in Primary school, haha, overview of everyday is enough, including effects and side effects.
Anirecetam has been many guys`s favourite, and it`s very synergistic with Anirecetam for sustained clear thoughts.CDP-Choline is absolutely good source of choline.
keep on your record and i`ll follow it.

Haha...yeah I only did all the times like this for today so I could get in the habit of taking notes as its not something I normally do. Additional logs will be structured quite different thanks for following. So is CDP Choline better than the one I currently bought, Choline Bitrirate?

[pushpull]

Choline bitartrate is suppose to be the least good Choline source, yeah. CDP Choline is better and Alpha GPC is suppose to be the best.

My input: Keep doing this for 3 days or so. If you still notice nothing (and by nothing I mean no benefical effect, and no side-effects to point you in the right direction) I would boost to 2x750mg Aniracetam in the same dosage. But you might as well wait doing so until the weekend or a time when you at least have no major plans lined up. The worst thing that can happen is that you get tired and need to lay down an hour or so.

On logging you probably don't need to go this detailed, just write down the apparent effects (if any) the couple of hours after taking, and maybe some general notes on your day. I.e. if you had 2 hours of sleep that night it might be worth noting down, as it can have an impact on how you feel overall.

[exiledone1]

Hi Push,

Thanks for the input and advice bro. Will do for sure! and yeah, the first daily journal was just copied over here from my iphone log. I was only doing it this detailed for the first day so I could get into the habit of logging results, rest of them will be more summary based. Interesting idea about popping two in the morning and two in the afternoon.

Starting on Sunday based on the testing procedure I mentioned in my first log I was planning to start adding Choline into the mix and see the results, 500 mg with my ani in the morning and 500 with my ani in the afternoon. I haven't had any headaches or anything yet, which I thought was odd. I figured I would have had my first headache, but nothing yet.

So in your opinion do you think I should start adding the choline this Sunday or should I wait on adding the Choline and do what you suggested first and add an extra pill in the morning and one in the afternoon and see the results? Just curious on your thoughts.

I'm not worried about the weekend thing as I'll be in the house all weekend.

Also, If I do start on the Choline part of my experiment this Sunday I'm also thinking it may be better for me to just take one 500 mg Choline in the morning and NOT in the afternoon and see the results of just talking one 500 mg Choline pill compared to taking two..... Thoughts??

My Day 2 Log will go up later this evening

Josh

Edited by exiledone1, 21 December 2012 - 04:21 PM.

[pushpull]

yeah do 250mg Choline in the morning + 2x750mg Aniracetam and see how you feel

[exiledone1]

yeah do 250mg Choline in the morning + 2x750mg Aniracetam and see how you feel

I don't have any 250mg pills, only 500 mg pills? Do I need to go out and buy a new jar of 250 mg tabs? or can I just cut the pill in half? I bought Nature Ways 500 mg Choline Bitrirate. I ask because I heard some pills shouldn't be cut in half, but what do I know lol

Josh

Edited by exiledone1, 21 December 2012 - 04:24 PM.

[pushpull]

I haven't even seen pills, I assumed you had 500mg capsules you could open and divide. Just cut the pill in half then.

All pills can be cut in half as long as it doesn't get crushed when you do.

[exiledone1]

I haven't even seen pills, I assumed you had 500mg capsules you could open and divide. Just cut the pill in half then.

All pills can be cut in half as long as it doesn't get crushed when you do.

Oh, my bad yeah not capsules. I believe it's a pill. Here is a photo I attached of my 500 mg Choline Bitrirate pill

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Edited by exiledone1, 21 December 2012 - 05:16 PM.

[Nickthedevil]

Hey man nice work on the log, it's an interesting thought not using choline straight away and waiting for the brain fog/ headache to set in. Did you get a copy of dual and back and do you have a set of goals for what your trying to achieve?

I'm stoked to see what your doing, inspired me to work on my logging a little more.

[exiledone1]

Hey man nice work on the log, it's an interesting thought not using choline straight away and waiting for the brain fog/ headache to set in. Did you get a copy of dual and back and do you have a set of goals for what your trying to achieve?

I'm stoked to see what your doing, inspired me to work on my logging a little more.

Thanks Nick, Ill be posting Day 2 in just a few minutes. I got behind on posting it yeaterday. Yeah well I've been doing a lot of research and the whole choline brain fog thing seems to happen with some people, but not everyone. I've read some people never seem to have a problem. So I thought it would be interested to see how long it would take to kick in. Also, I wanted to establish some good baselines for myself as far as "How I feel" each step of the way, I wanted to see how I felt with just two pills a day for a few days and than so on and son on.

A quick update, as I write this it's actually day 3 even though I'll be posting day 2 in just a moment and no Choline issues at all! I've been talking 750 mg Aniracetam capsules once in morning, once in late afternoon for 3 days now and no headaches. I'll go into some details about that in my log. Also, my main goals is just to experience the difference between being off it and on it and hoping to help me with builidng my online business through more focus, creativity, inspiration and other things.

I have been doing Dual N Back and no real improvements so far. I haven't been able to beat Level 2 yet. I can do level 1 at 100 percent and get a few right audio wise on number 2, but nothing beyond that.

Let me ask you a question though Nick...Can you explain brain fog to me in your words?? I ask for a reason as I'm not sure if I've been experiencing it as I don't really have much of a history with it. It would help if you could explain to me how it feels in your words. Well let me get started on Day 2. Thanks for following bro

Josh

[exiledone1]

DAY 2 FRIDAY - 12-21-2012

UPDATE: I'm actually writing this on day 3 and will add Day 3 into this log at the bottom because day 3 has been EXACTLY the same as day 2 except for it's my day off from work. So I feel since nothing really happened I'll make a brief mention of Day 3 at the bottom of Day 2. I will also start breaking logs into Morning, Afternoon, Evening and Overviews instead of times for everything.

MORNING - 9:00 AM - 12:00 PM

I woke up as usually and had two pieces of sausage and 4 pieces of bacon. I than took a tablespoon in a half of olive oil. About two minutes later I took a 750 Mg Aniracetam capsule with NO choline at 10:35 am.

As I explained in my first day log I won't be talking any Choline until Sunday as I want to see how I feel for 3 days taking only Aniracetam and nothing else. As I mentioned before I'm trying to do this in steps, seeing how I feel along each step. I arrived at work around 11:00 am and didn't notice anything until 11:30 am. Let me explain.

I noticed a feeling which I had got on my first day 30 minutes after taking the pill, but didn't want to report on it as it could have been anything, but by doing this journal it allowed me to compare how I felt on the second day to the first day. The feeling is hard to describe. It's not a bad feeling and it's not a good feeling. It's as if I felt a tad bit loopie, but a very, very small loopie. Nothing dizzy or anything and I wouldn't say spaced out. It's hard to describe. It's like, you know how you feel when you don't have any medicine or anything in your body. You just feel normal, but let's say you take some allergy medicine or some other type of medicine, drug, pill or whatever you just notice your body "feels" different?

I know, I wish I could hammer this down, but it's just a feeling of knowing something is happening in my body, like my body has a foreign substance in it and it's letting me know. The best way for me to say it is when I take some day quil or something and that moment right when you it starts to kick in you just know something is happening. I'm sorry and wish I could describe it better. I was wondering if it was brain fog, but to be honest I'm not sure what brain fog feels like. Would love to hear what you guys describe brain fog in your own words.

I've also noticed I'm sneezing a lot and having a runny nose since today. It could be the weather though or my allergies. It's very cold in Columbus Georgia right now. Other than this odd feeling which last around 30 minutes to an hour I felt nothing else.

AFTERNOON: 12:00 PM - 5:00 PM

So I go to lunch around 2:00 pm and take my second Aniracetam 750 mg capsule around 2:55 pm. I hated drinking olive oil to take the pill so I purchased a big bag of wall nuts to take instead of Olive Oil. So I took a handful of Wal-Nuts and than my capsule. Once again, no choline. Once again, I go to work, I feel fine, no headaches.

Well about 30 minutes into it I feel that odd sensation again which I reported above. As I said, it is barely noticeable and it's not good or bad. My body just feels different. Once again, in about 30 minutes to an hour it fades. I've noticed again my nose running and sneezing usually about 30 minutes after talking the Aniracetam, but once again it could be allergies or weather. I still want to note it.

EVENING AND LATE NIGHT: 5:00 PM - BEDTIME WHICH WAS 2:00 AM

I have nothing to report. No headaches or nothing.

OVERVIEW OF DAY 2:

So far I have taken 750 mg of Aniracetam once in the morning and once in the late afternoon for 2 days now. No headaches, benefits or anything except for that odd feeling I mentioned and my runny nose and sneezing. I would love to hear your experiences about brain fog in your own words so I can compare it to my odd sensations or if anyone understands what I meant when trying to explain my sensation.

Until than I will move on to Day 3 which is Saturday and will be the same as Thursday and Friday. I will take one Aniracetam 750 mg in the morning and one in the afternoon. On Sunday, Day 4 I will begin doubling my intake.

DAY 3 - SATURDAY 12-22-2012

As I mentioned above I'm writing this on day three. I have followed the exact same procedure for day 1 and day 2 today as well and I have to report nothing except that odd sensation I've reported in day 2. I am also sneezing again and my nose is running. I took some allergy medicine and it's not helping. I feel fine though beside that. So day 3 is basically an exact clone of day 2.

WHAT TO EXPECT FROM DAY 4 WHICH WILL BE SUNDAY 12-23-2012

After talking with some people here I am going to skip the Choline still, but I will double the amount of Aniracetam I'm talking from 750 mg in the morning to 1500 mg in the morning and another 1500 mg in the late afternoon. I have not had any Choline headaches yet.

So I want to see if doubling my dosage will fit me better or cause some type of reaction. So tomorrow which is Day 4 should be interesting as I'm moving on to another phase.

Once again, feedback is always welcome and would love to hear anyone thoughts about the odd feeling. I'm not worried at all though as it was nothing bad. I will play day 4 by ear and see what happens when I double my dose. Don't worry though. Choline will be added into my experiment soon, but for now I want to try and see what happens when I start talking 1500 in the morning and in the late afternoon without Choline.

Thanks
Josh

Edited by exiledone1, 23 December 2012 - 12:03 AM.

[Nickthedevil]

I have had choline overdose brain fog and choline deficiency brain fog and they are different things, I deduced that it would be better to list details of deficiency.

To me, and I use Prami not Ani my ani adventures won't start for a few weeks yet, my brain fog set in around day 10 started at 200mg for 5 days then up to 250mg supplementing with lecethin, only on the day in question I was late with breakfast and my lecething and that was enough.

There is a universal brain irritation sensation, with a decided irritation to the cerebrum when attempting to think. I couldn't really remember any of the ususal details I like to use as simple memory tests, for example phone numbers, access ID's and the episodic sequence of events in a day. (I am a Nootropics nerd and I'm developing a series of user friendly tests for various functions of the mind)

So my brain was useless, and it hurt, this is not the same as choline headaches for me though. but they do lead to choline headaches.

If you have brain fog you will know fairly quickly, a feeling of mental emptiness combined with a decidedly unsettling group of physical symptopms await you. Enjoy

[exiledone1]

Sorry I've been late lately, but the Holidays are keeping me busy with family and such. I've been keeping them up to date in my Iphone notes though. Here are the remaining logs which are days 4, 5 and today which is Christmas day, Day 6. I do have some odd things going on today which is day 6. Please read through all the days and let me know your thoughts, ideas and thanks for all the help.

Day 4

Morning: 9:00 am - 12:00 pm

Nothing to report as this is the weekend for me so I slept in. I didn't wake up until around 2:30 pm. Yup, I slept good

Lunch: 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm

I decided to try something different today. Since I wasn't feeling anything really at 750 mg in the morning and 750 mg in the afternoon I decided to have some fun and just be wild and try something different. I figure the only way I'm going to see what works for me is to try different things and compare. So around 3:30 pm I took 1500 mg of Aniracetam along with no choline. Around 4:15 pm I felt pretty much the same as I did on 750 mg Aniracetam, that same sort of loopy feeling. Once again, it's not a bad feeling or anything. I just notice a slight change in my body.

Evening: 5:00 pm - Bedtime (1:30 am)

Around 5:30 pm I noticed my pupils are very large! My wife pointed it out to me and said my pupils were much larger than usual. No headaches to report. No benefits or anything. I feel like my usual self. I took another 1500 mg dose of Aniracetam with no choline at 7:30 pm. Once again hours pass and nothing to report expect for that loopy feeling again. Now around 10:00 pm I feel a slight bit of energy, a very small boost of motivation to want to clean and wash the dishes for some reason, I know...odd lol. This feeling lasted no more than about 30 minutes, but I got the dishes done and my wife was happy lol.

I went to bed around 1:30 am. No headaches again and nothing felt really. No increase in Dual N Back throughout the day. Seemed like I struggled at it a little more than usually on level 1.
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DAY 5:

Morning: 9:00 am - 12:00 pm

I'm off of work for the Holidays so I didn't want up till around 11:30 am and didn't take Aniracetam until later.

Afternoon: 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm

I decided to finally test out Choline today! I'm just in a experiment type of mode lately. I haven't had any headaches at all so far. I'm just adding in the Choline to see how it feels. I was planning to follow a more strict guideline of doing each thing for 2 or 3 days, but I'm now testing out different things. I will go back to this routine a little later after I get an idea of how I feel doing different things. Right now, it's just see how I feel mode. So at 12:45 pm I took one 750 mg Aniracetam capsule and a 500 mg Choline Bitrirate pill. All I have are 500 mg pills.

1:45 pm - I finally have something going on here. I no longer feel loopy or whatever the feeling is I've been having. I feel a little more upbeat at the moment, it's like a stimulating feeling, but I wouldn't say anything mentally like more focus or anything. I just feel like I drank two big cups of coffee. I tried some Dual N Back and nothing still, I tried reading some stuff, studying, working and feel pretty much the same beside the stimulating sort of feeling.

Evening: 5:00 pm - Bedtime (3:20 am)

I took another 750 mg Ani with another 500 mg Choline pill around 8:00 pm. I feel pretty normal until around 10:45 pm where I feel a little stimulating again. A little upbeat. Nothing increased though, just like I had a lot of coffee! I tired Dual N Back a few more times and no gain. My usual of getting one or two right in level 2 of Dual N Back in the audio department and that's it!

I went to bed around 3:20 am

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Day 6: Christmas Day and now we are caught up

Update: I have noticed that when I woke up I was able to recall my dream. I can never remember a dream, if so it fades a minute or two after walking up, but I've been up for a little while now and I can still recall my dream. Interesting.

Morning: 9:00 am - 12:00 pm

I'm off of work again and the wife and I slept in. So I didn't wake up until 12:35 pm.

Afternoon: 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm

Since I felt a little better, even though no real benefits that I notice I decided to try 750 mg of Aniracetam again and another 500 mg of Choline Bitrirate around 1:45 pm. In case I forgot to mention I've been using Wal-Nuts as my fat source. I'm taking the two pills at the same time. Nothing to report for a while, but things start to get a little interesting.

Around 3:00 pm I visit my dads house and were talking about Nootropics and he notices I'm talking super fast, hyper, pupils large, jittery, thoughts all over the place, but not in a crazy way. I feel as if I've had 10 cups of coffee. It's an odd sensation really. I didn't really notice it myself until he pointed it out to me.

Around 4:45 pm I start to feel like I'm coming down a little, almost like a crash. It wasn't a bad feeling or anything, but I felt a little more mellow. Like a caffeine crash or something. Btw, I'm not drinking any caffeine at all during any of these experiments. Just water!

Evening: 5:00 pm - 12:00 pm

We left my in-laws house around 6:30 pm and I feel pretty normal, nothing really to report. I took my second 750 mg Aniracetam at 7:30 pm and since I felt super jittery and hyper earlier when I took the 500 mg Choline I decided to split the pill of Choline and took around 250 mg. I wanted to see if it make me stimulating like early. .

8:00 pm - I feel sort of mellow, not loopy or anything and not super stimulating. Doesn't feel back. My wife and I are just watching movie as it's been a long day. Tried a dual n back on my phone and still nothing to report as far in gains really.

8:52 pm - Something odd is happening...I'm feeling a slight tingering on the left side of my jaw, more on the upper side. Very slight and it's not painful, but it's a very, very odd sensation. It's coming and going.

9:30 pm - The tingerling is still on the left side of my cheek near my jaw and it's increasing. It doesn't hurt or anything, but very odd feeling and sort of annoying. I believe this is a side effect of too much Choline. If I remember correctly a few members here and from research I've done says if you stay getting similar sensations like these it could be a sign you have too much Choline. I'm not 100 percent sure that is the problem, but as I'm writing this I'm still having the pain and it's increasing. Very, very annoying.

My pupils are still very, very large!

10:37 pm - I'm finishing this log for the night.

[Nickthedevil]

This is a very well kept log man, I'm really enjoying it, the motivation to obsession is fairly commonyl observed my first week was like that on PRAMI until I ran into the NOX barrier and gave it away for a couple of days, I just finished a reply in the OXI PRAMI thread from another guy from australia saying he's not having pronounced effects either, I'll say the same thing here. If you have a monster choline system then you may not be having huge improvements and you might want to keep up the ANI and work on some other racetam as well or try some of the other nootropics, also there is something to be said for Acetylisation in the case I bitartrate, it doesn't work just as bitratrate it has to be acetyl-choline and if your body is fighting for acetylation enzymes your would be having a depletion effect. ALCAR has a fun benefit of also increasing your peripheral blood flow (specifically in your interest to the brain)

I would persevere with the ANI and the choline like a normal health supplement and charge hard at some other stuff, your really good at keeping a log, sart keeping a really detailed log about where your brain isn't working as you would like it too, and find supplements for that, also work on your sleep patterns maybe?

[exiledone1]

This is a very well kept log man, I'm really enjoying it, the motivation to obsession is fairly commonyl observed my first week was like that on PRAMI until I ran into the NOX barrier and gave it away for a couple of days, I just finished a reply in the OXI PRAMI thread from another guy from australia saying he's not having pronounced effects either, I'll say the same thing here. If you have a monster choline system then you may not be having huge improvements and you might want to keep up the ANI and work on some other racetam as well or try some of the other nootropics, also there is something to be said for Acetylisation in the case I bitartrate, it doesn't work just as bitratrate it has to be acetyl-choline and if your body is fighting for acetylation enzymes your would be having a depletion effect. ALCAR has a fun benefit of also increasing your peripheral blood flow (specifically in your interest to the brain)

I would persevere with the ANI and the choline like a normal health supplement and charge hard at some other stuff, your really good at keeping a log, sart keeping a really detailed log about where your brain isn't working as you would like it too, and find supplements for that, also work on your sleep patterns maybe?

Thanks bro. Didn't you have a log you started too? I thought you did, but can't seem to find it now. I'm pretty in tune with my body and feelings so I use that as my feedback. Good idea with the log about where my brain need improvements and build around that. Thanks for all the support bro and I think it's good we have people who can support each other and keep everyone on track. About to post my next log now.

Josh

Day 7 12/26/2012

A pretty chill day for the most part. Nothing special to report, but here's the log.

Morning: 9:00 am - 12:00 pm

Took one 750 mg aniracetam at 11:15 am along with one 250 mg Choline Bitrirate pill

11:26 am feeling a little hyper, I'm talking fast again. The same feeling as the other day, but not as intense.

Afternoon: 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm

3:05 pm - took one 750 mg aniracetam and one 250 mg Choline

4:04 pm - feel a little stimulating again. Basically the same as I was around 11:26 am. No benefits or anything

Evening: 5:00 pm - Bedtime

6:00 pm - I feel pretty normal, still a little stimulating

3:30 am - I felt normal, nothing of benefit...went to bed

Thoughts:

I felt better at the 250 mg Choline dose with my 750 mg Aniracetam, but still didn't feel "right" I mean, still haven't received any noticeable benefits or any of the effects people talk about. I'm running low on pills so I ordered some more from Smart Powders this time since the price is pretty good and I hear good things. Tomorrow on Day 8 I'm going to try a dose of 750 Mg in the morning with a 125 mg Choline pill and 750 mg Aniracetam in the afternoon with a 125 Choline again and see how I feel.

I need to also keep in mind that I may need a different choline source as well. I've heard some people saying the moment they changed choline sources they got effects. So we'll see

Personally, I'm starting to think Aniracetam may not really be working well for me, but I need to still give it some more time. I know everyone responds differently to the racetams, but going to keep pushing forward. In the next few days I may double my Aniracetam dose and take a choline which I haven't done yet. So I'll post my next log soon

Edited by exiledone1, 27 December 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[Sun Nootropic]

i`ve left for sick leave for a couple of days. and now i am back. racetam and choline usually works very effectively.
i am a little worried about the results, you are always recording down "received any noticeable benefits" or" any of the effects I feel pretty normal nothing of benefit "、"not super stimulating".....and i `m looking forward to your result of "double my Aniracetam dose and take a choline"
the fact is that, i am much more interested in powder form rather than tablet or capsule， i am always in the impression that powder is more pure than tablet and works more efficiently. is there anyone under the same impression?

[Nickthedevil]

Hey man I love reading this log, it's a shame your ani isn't doing what you wanted, i'd say modulating your dose (up) I can't find an estimation of toxicity i'd trust for humans and the studies i've read haven't reported anything devastating, cost probably isn't a huge issue because it's one of the cheaper ones, try working it up (slowly) I did this with prami and ran into the Nox barrier, so I'm putting more time into other things until it's time for my ani to get here and I can put that in.

The alternative choline source will likely do it and I hope it's what makes it work for you, otherwise turn up those doese, or work out if your getting good lipid transport, there are a million reasons your not feeling it it'll work out.

[exiledone1]

i`ve left for sick leave for a couple of days. and now i am back. racetam and choline usually works very effectively.
i am a little worried about the results, you are always recording down "received any noticeable benefits" or" any of the effects I feel pretty normal nothing of benefit "、"not super stimulating".....and i `m looking forward to your result of "double my Aniracetam dose and take a choline"
the fact is that, i am much more interested in powder form rather than tablet or capsule， i am always in the impression that powder is more pure than tablet and works more efficiently. is there anyone under the same impression?

Hi Qiubai,

I hope your feeling better. I'm curious why are you worried about the results? Do you think that Aniracetam may not work for me or something? Just curious as to why you wrote that statement.

I basically just record how I'm feeling. Each day while I'm doing these logs I always do multiple Dual N Back runs, I read and try to study different things and never notice anything "different" in terms of more focus or anything that people report. I just feel like my common self and sometimes

I just know the benefits/effects people report and I haven't experienced any yet beside the being hyper and talking extremely fast and feeling like I had a ton of caffeine when taking too much Choline. The Dual N Back runs are the same as that I can't move pass Dual 2 Back at all. I usually use the position and audio on manual. I can get 100 percent correct with Dual 1 Back easily though.

My goal is to just keep trying hoping that I will find the sweet spot. I am keeping in mind though the possibility that Aniracetam may not be for me and I may have to try another racetam. I have read many post on here from people who say Aniracetam or a different racetam doesn't work, but another one does for them. So I will keep trying until my new supply of Aniracetam I just ordered runs out. So I should be doing this log for another 2 months or so.

Your in luck though Qiubai because tomorrow, which will be Saturday I am scheduled to do the double Aniracetam and Choline togehter! So I will be testing that out tomorrow. So we'll see how 1500 mg of Ani in the morning along with a 250 mg Choline and 1500 mg of Ani in the late afternoon with another 250 mg Choline does for me.

Eventually I may try the powder, the problem for me is all the measuring I have to do with powders. I like the pills because everything is ready to go for me. I just pop the proper dose and keep it moving, but I will eventually try the powder as well. I am also going to experiment eventually with different Choline sources too. I've read some people don't respond as well to Choline Bitrirate which is what I'm on so the next one I will try is CDP based on a recommendation from my friend Nickthedevil.

Thanks for the awesome feedback Qiubai and I'm always open to ideas, feedback and suggestions. It's the feedback that keeps me going because learning from those with more experience than me in this subject is critical to my eventually success

Edited by exiledone1, 28 December 2012 - 05:55 PM.

[exiledone1]

Hey man I love reading this log, it's a shame your ani isn't doing what you wanted, i'd say modulating your dose (up) I can't find an estimation of toxicity i'd trust for humans and the studies i've read haven't reported anything devastating, cost probably isn't a huge issue because it's one of the cheaper ones, try working it up (slowly) I did this with prami and ran into the Nox barrier, so I'm putting more time into other things until it's time for my ani to get here and I can put that in.

The alternative choline source will likely do it and I hope it's what makes it work for you, otherwise turn up those doese, or work out if your getting good lipid transport, there are a million reasons your not feeling it it'll work out.

Thanks bro. The feedback and motivation from you and others here is what keeps me going with the log. As I mentioned above in my other comment I'm going to double my dose of Aniracetam tomorrow to 1500 mg in the morning and again in the late afternoon and take it with my usually choline source.

I have tried a double dose of Aniracetam before if you go back and read my logs, but I did it without any choline and didn't experience any results. So it makes a lot of sense to try it again, but with choline this time. So Saturday should be interesting! My next choline source will be CDP!

Oh...I forgot to ask you Nick in my PM to you earlier what is a good dose for CDP to start with? I know you told me for Alpha GPC, but since I'm going to go with CDP what mg dose should I buy? I was thinking of the brand Jarrow 250 mg caps? does that sound good to start with for CDP? Going to place an order today for it once I hear back from you.

Getting ready to post my logs now.

josh

Edited by exiledone1, 28 December 2012 - 05:24 PM.

[exiledone1]

Day 8

Morning: 9:00 am - 12:00 pm

11:00 pm - Took aniracetam 750 mg and a 125 mg Choline

Afternoon: 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm

12:26 PM - I'm feeling a little chill, not super laid back or anything, but just a decent mellow feel. I've had better mellow vibes, but this is defiently a different feeling than I've experienced before. This mg of Choline doesn't give me the hyper feeling and talking fast.

1:38 pm - I have an odd sensation in my head at the moment. I feel as if there is something blocking my head. I know, odd sensation. My head just feels a little different. Note: I have drank a monster Energy drink Monster Rehab which is the lemonade one...so this could be because of the drink, but I'll see how I feel when I take my late afternoon dose without the drink and compare. It has a high amount of Caffeine in it and other things.

1:54 pm - the feeling is odd. Maybe a little out of it, but my thoughts still come easy to me, inner talk is fine. I guess the best way to describe it is a slight wall in my mind. I feel like it's talking a little more enery for me to create the thought. Hard to describe really. The feeling is similar to how I felt when I just took the Aniracetam without Choline, but a tad different.

2:55 pm - Took my second 750 mg Aniracetam and 125 mg Choline pill

3:00 pm - 5:10 pm - I feel nothing new....just chilled out, but I'm normally pretty chilled out without the stuff as I have a pretty chill job and very low stress throughout my days

Evening: 5:00 pm - Bedtime (1:00 am)

Nothing to report except it seems like when my wife was talking to me that I really couldn't remember what she was saying to me much. It could be because I was really into researching bulletproof coffee, but just thought I would note it anyway.

Went to bed at 1:00 am and fell asleep pretty quick I believe

Plans for Tomorrow and Saturday:

I want to try a different fat source just to see if it makes any different. So tomorrow I will just do 750 mg Ani in morning with a 250 mg Choline and the fat source will be Fish Oil. Will repeat this for the late afternoon as well.

My plans for Saturday will be try something Qiubai suggested to me a week or so ago. I will double my Ani dose to 1500 mg in the morning and 1500 mg in the afternoon with a 250 mg Choline in the morning and afternoon. I have done a double dose before, but without Choline so this time I will try it with Choline. Thanks to Qiubai for the suggestion.

[exiledone1]

I'm a little behind due to being off of work for the New Years Holiday and being busy. So here are all the updates to catch the log up. Friday night was very Interesting to say the least, but sadly not for me...read on to see what I mean.

Day 9:

Morning: 9:00 am - 12:00 pm


10:11 am - ate big breakfast, had eggs, bacon, eggs, sausage, coffee

11:22 am - took one 750 mg Aniracetam, one 250 mg Choline and for a fat source I tried a 1000 mg fish oil pill

Afternoon: 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm

12:58 pm - Feeling pretty normal so far. Actually, I would have the say this is the most normal I have felt. I do feel good though. I've done these doses before, but never with fish oil for a fat source and never with a big breakfast involving eggs and coffee. I rarely eat breakfast and if I do it's usually just sasuage and bacon, the mircowavable type.

Evening: 5:00 pm - Bedtime (3:24 am)

I have some interesting stuff to report, but sadly it isn't for me. Around 9:30 pm my wife decided to take 250 mg of Choline and than 10 minute later she decided to take a 750 mg Aniracetam. My wife has no real interesting in Nootropics or anything, but with me doing this log and taking them every day and me asking for her to try one she decided too. I've been asking her as I wanted to see what she reported since I haven't really been feeling anything. She has been saying no for a while and I guess she finally decided too.

I think some of it has to do with her Doctor telling her she needs more Choline. My wife has multiple sclerosis and their have been some reports that Choline can help with some of the issues she experiences with her brain which are due to the M.S.

Let me not get too off track here. Needless to say, she tried them and let's just say I wish I was her.

10:10 pm - She told me she was starting to feel a very euphoric feeling. Colors became very intense and more vivid for her and her hearing very sensitive. So sensitve where I turn my Iphone music player to low and she said it sounded like it was on high! She said she felt pretty good, but also felt a little tired. She says it wasn't a bad tire or anything, but just like she had to sleep. My wife usually gets very sleepy as she usually works the graveyard shift and her M.S. tends to make her tired.

In addition to the Euphoric feeling she got very turned on and let's just say she said sex felt amazing on this stuff. No, I want go into details about that part lol. Eventually she got so tired she had to laid down and did so for about an hour.

1:25 am - She decided to do a second 750 mg Aniracetam and this time a 125 mg Choline. She got the vision effect, sound and the euphoric feeling again, but she claims that part didn't last as long this time. Overall she enjoyed the experience and said she may start to take these things. Sadly we were watching movies most of the night so she didn't get to read, study or do anything else to really test them out. She does go to college too and said when classes start back for her she will start taking them again to see how they do.

So my friday was very interesting and I wish I could experience what she felt...oh well. I'm going to keep trying.

Edited by exiledone1, 31 December 2012 - 03:35 AM.

[exiledone1]

This wasn't my best day. I decided to double my dose and didn't have a great day.

Day 10

Morning: 9:00 am - 12:00 pm

I didn't have to go to work or anything and it's the weekend so I slept in late. I didn't wake up until 2:30 pm or so.

Afternoon: 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm


3:50 pm - I took two 750 mg Aniracetams which equal 1500 mg total with a 250 mg Choline

4:21 pm - feeling odd. Slight pounding in my head. I feel like I'm starting to get drowsy a little.

4:45 pm - I'm feeling really drowsy and need to lay down in a bed. I'm not feeling too hot.

Evening: 5:00 pm - Bedtime (I forgot to log when I when to bed as I felt terrible)

5:12 pm - feeling very nauseous...like I'm going to throw up. Doesn't feel very good. I don't know if it was lunch or something I ate or the double dose.

6: 12 pm - Still very, very nauseous. I had to take 2 tums, but it didn't really help.

8:23 pm - I still feel pretty bad so I have decided to skip my second dose. Will have to try again in a few days and see if I develop nausea again. I apologize, but my head is spinning a little and just need to lay down.

Drifted off

[pushpull]

Sorry to hear you didn't feel great. I would obtain some Alpha GPC and wait until you have it before you give 2x750mg another go (on a Saturday/Sunday). Also you could consider buying small quantum of some other racetams to see if you respond better to them.

Happy new years buddy, and good luck.

[exiledone1]

Sorry to hear you didn't feel great. I would obtain some Alpha GPC and wait until you have it before you give 2x750mg another go (on a Saturday/Sunday). Also you could consider buying small quantum of some other racetams to see if you respond better to them.

Happy new years buddy, and good luck.

Hey Push,

Happy New Years To You too bro. Yeah it's pretty odd as when I took the 1500 mg dose before without choline it wasn't as bad. Took it this time with the choline and didn't feel great. My log for Sunday is pretty interesting and I'll post it tomorrow. A quick update is I took a 750 mg Ani with 250 Choline and than later took a 750 mg Ani without any choline and I feel pretty darn good. I can't say with 100 percent, but music seems to sound WAY better for me right now. Color looks a tad more vivid. So this is giving me some hope.

I also bought some Priracetam as well So lots of good trials coming up. Looking into Noopept down the road too

Well I'll post my log for Sunday tomorrow or something, but yeah...it's all about the testing...oh and I ordered some Alpha GPC too. So I went on a shopping spree as you see

Later bro
Josh

[pushpull]

Did you do the 250mg Choline at the same time as 1500mg Aniracetam? Cause if you seemed to get a better effect from 250mg Choline + 750mg Aniracetam, then another 750mg Aniracetam shortly after, maybe you just need a bit of time for the Choline to kick in before taking the Aniracetam?

[exiledone1]

Did you do the 250mg Choline at the same time as 1500mg Aniracetam? Cause if you seemed to get a better effect from 250mg Choline + 750mg Aniracetam, then another 750mg Aniracetam shortly after, maybe you just need a bit of time for the Choline to kick in before taking the Aniracetam?

Hey Push,

When I took the 1500 mg dose of Aniracetam Saturday in the afternoon I did take it at the same time with the 250 mg Choline. So your saying maybe take the 250 mg Choline 30 minutes before I take a 1500 mg dose of Aniracetam to allow my body to asborb the Choline. Interesting idea and worth a try! Thanks bro.

Btw, my log for Sunday is below and as I mentioned to you in an earlier post I finally got some good effects from the Ani. Now to figure out why?? The log is below!

DAY 11 Sunday

NOTE: I didn't wake up until 1:12 pm. My plan was NOT to take any Aniracetam or Choline today due to the fact of how crappy I felt yesterday when I took my double dose of Ani at 1500 mg in the morning along with a 250 Choline. So my plan was to skip a day, but that didn't happen.

Morning: 9:00 am - 12:00 pm

I was off of work and it's the weekend so I slept in

Afternoon: 12:00 pm - 5:00 pm

1:12 pm. As I mentioned above I wasn't going to take any Ani or Choline today, but planned changed.

3:30 pm - For some odd reason I'm feeling super good today! I haven't taken any Ani or Choline, but I feel on point, focused, Confident. Even my wife said I'm acting different. I can't explain it as I haven't had any Aniracetam or Choline so far today.

4:23 pm - I still feel awesome. Don't know why

Evening: 5:00 pm - Bedtime

5:30 pm - Nothing much to report, but I feel great. Went out and got something to eat, felt very clear headed. Still haven't taken any Aniracetam or Choline

9:19 pm - I need to do a lot of work tonight so I decided I'll take a 750 mg Aniracetam along with a 250 mg Choline. I took the choline about 10 minutes before the Aniracetam. Usually I take them at the same time, but for some reason I decided to switch it up.

9:36 pm - feeling sort of mellow, chill..laid back..not a huge feeling, small but it's there...nothing bad. I've felt this feeling before on Ani. I guess you can say it's a mild sedative feeling, but nothing major.

10:13 pm - trying to catch up on some work and feel like I can't focus. I feel like its taking me slowly to make decisions and respond. Feeling drowsy.

2:00 am - I have a lot of work to do so I decided what the heck let's take another 750 mg Aniracetam, but this time decided to take it WITHOUT Choline

2:37 am - I feel pretty good, a mild chill feeling, very relaxing.

2:47 am - Music sounds amazing to me right now! This is new as I seem to be able to hear all the different instruments. Music sounds bolder, more 3D I guess. Colors appear to be a little more vivid, but not by much. This is the first time I'm having any effects that people report of a positive nature. Awesome!

3:00 am - I'm noticing my focus is much more on point. I always have good focus, but I have this real intense desire to learn everything about Noopept. I was interested in it and now I'm reading pretty much every single forum post on the subject.

4:07 am - I'm still up and typing this log and reading forum post. I feel like I have a natural energy, but I'm tired and can feel like I want to go to sleep, but my mind won't let me so I'm still up.

Overview:

Very interesting day! I've finally felt something. I'm not sure why I felt something, but I did. I have an idea that maybe I don't need to be taking Choline twice a day. I've been taking 250 mg twice a day and sometimes 125 mg twice a day. So tomorrow, Monday I'm going to take 500 mg once in the morning with my 750 mg Aniracetam and that's it for Choline. Later in the afternoon I'll take a 750 mg Aniracetam without Choline and see what happens.

I have also bought some CDP Choline, Alpha GPC and they should be arriving soon. I'm going to try different choline sources soon as well.

Edited by exiledone1, 31 December 2012 - 09:12 AM.

[Nickthedevil]

it's good to see you finally got the effects you were looking for man, I'm stoked for you, it will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the alpha gpc, compared to cdp. I'm planning on pushing the limits of my cholinergic system a little in my next change in stack. I'm sure your ani log will be a good starting point for anyone trying to trouble shoot their ani experience.

[exiledone1]

it's good to see you finally got the effects you were looking for man, I'm stoked for you, it will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the alpha gpc, compared to cdp. I'm planning on pushing the limits of my cholinergic system a little in my next change in stack. I'm sure your ani log will be a good starting point for anyone trying to trouble shoot their ani experience.

Thanks man! Last night felt pretty interesting. Although I don't think I got all the effects as I don't think colors were real vivid or anything. I feel like something was going on. Still need to keep experimenting and see where the rabbit hole takes me I hope it does help people and that people see that the range is very different for everyone and the best way to proceed I believe is to do a little research, ask questions if needed and always, always keep a log.

Honestly, without this log I don't think I could continue as it allows me to reference where I have been, where I'm at and where I'm going

I just ordered some CDP and Alpha GPC so some interesting times ahead

Josh

[Sun Nootropic]

oh men, i sound awesome? do i ?
now, i`m glad that nootropic works on you, good