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[Logic]

I am VERY worried about a friend.

After she collapsed and wouldn’t wake up, after her face started drooping and her arm went to sleep like a stroke victim, she got better while taking supps/meds that I recommended she try.

My line of thinking was as follows:
She mentioned that one of her tests showed liquid on the brain and that someone had said that that was a sign of a viral infection.
I figured that as the suspected virus seemed to be in her nervous system and brain, it might be similar to Herpes Simplex Virus, Epstein Barr virus or Cytomegalovirus, etc.
These virii are all lipid coated and as such, whatever she had may be too.
I recommended she try Coconut Oil and the only local product containing BHT.
(Also Lemon Balm 1 000 mg, Olive Leaf Extract 500 mg, Garlic 360 mg and Butylated Hydroxytoluene (BHT) 100 mg.)
http://www.uniquefor....aspx?ProdID=17

These 2 supplements are known to strip the Lipid Layer of Lipid Coated Virii; making them far easier targets for the Immune System to kill.
An hour after taking the BHT pills her arm began to move and her face returned to normal.
Sadly she became too nauseous to take these pills. (3 ; 3x per day)
Even water does not stay down.
I am trying Ginger?
Is there anything in those ingredients that may have affected her stomach?
I will look, but time is of the essence!

She has eaten and drank very little for about 3-4 days now the pills that were helping will not stay down.
The virus seems to be taking over again.
Her Left leg and arm are so painful that she is actually whimpering and has tears in her eyes.
With terrible nausea to boot!

The hospital, for all their tests, has no idea what is wrong and has has done nothing to treat her besides giving her steroids to take, which also are not staying down.
As she has eaten very little and precious little of that, if any, has made it into her system she is probably under nourished and dehydrated. I fear kidneys etc.
Despite this the hospital does not have her on a drip to supply fluids, essential nutrients and/or medication.

Virii work fast and pick up momentum even faster.
Seeing her like this is frightening!
I really fear for her life!

I feel that if she does not get proper medical care fast she may not make it! (South Africa)
Please help people

[anagram]

This sounds really bad for both of you, get her to a real doctor or something.

Please don't give her any more BHT, that is a toxic chemical which has toxic by products, you have a 20% chance of causing damage and a 10% chance of curing your friend.
I will once again strongly recommend that you have her visit a doctor.

on the side of her treatment, you could give her some Berberine.
wait 2 hours after she gets at least 500mg's of Berberine(empty stomach) and then give her a pro biotic, this will give her "good" bacteria and prevent another weird "viral?" infection from occurring.
Perhaps you could getting her opinion on wtf is going on
Minocycline, Methylene blue, and Thorazine all kill shit that could be going on inside her.


Olive oil should stimulate hunger. mineral/vitamine deficiencies will cause stuff like this to happen, I recommend getting those in before she does any real eating. Yogurt stimulates hunger.

Stimulants like Vyvanse will also help her move but I would not recommend giving these to here at least a few weeks after she gets her eating back.

It feels like you are not explaining everything, did she actually feel very ill? It sounds like she was tired or something and did not want to say anything while the doctors were getting her blood drawn. If she had such a bad viral infection, and she was losing nerve tissue, she would be having seizures and her speech would be slurring. If she had brain swelling, that would also cause a lot of symptoms. Perhaps you have spent to much time getting frighted by wiki's descriptions of viral infection. Perhaps she ODed on BHT..

Edited by anagram, 25 February 2013 - 11:40 PM.

[1kgcoffee]

Sounds very serious. Emergency room stuff. Maybe I'm misreading, but why is she not in the hospital? How do you know that this is not a stroke?
It could be viral, but there are other potential causes ie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimoto's_encephalopathy or food poisoning.
If it is a viral infection of the brain, there is no guarantee that the supplements you are giving to her will make it past the blood brain barrier. And I think that's a pretty low dose of olive leaf extract. Another good antiviral to try would be star anise. But my only suggestion would be to take your friend to the ER.

[tunt01]

if you are worried about viruses, i would take lactoferrin.

but, i'm not really sure that is the issue. i've had discussions with a couple ER doctors on stroke including one of the top ER doctors in Chicago who gives lectures at American Heart Association meetings on dealing with stroke in the ER and none of them have ever brought up "viral risks".

i would say also take a vitamin and stay hydrated. get some exercise (walk) and stimulate appetite.


Today, there was an article in the NEJM about the mediterranean diet and stroke prevention. I would say follow that.

[niner]

The hospital, for all their tests, has no idea what is wrong and has has done nothing to treat her besides giving her steroids to take, which also are not staying down.
As she has eaten very little and precious little of that, if any, has made it into her system she is probably under nourished and dehydrated. I fear kidneys etc.
Despite this the hospital does not have her on a drip to supply fluids, essential nutrients and/or medication.

What kind of hospital is this? Has she been admitted? ('admitted' means that she's living there, as opposed to being an 'outpatient') Has she seen a neurologist? Has she had a brain CT scan? Sorry to hear all this- I hope she gets better.

[anagram]

Longecity is not a meant for prescribing things.
BHT has a very very long in vivo half life, it is unlikely that repeatedly giving her high doses is changing the state of her condition, if anything you are poisoning her with the toxin.
There are many causes of these symptoms, if you give more info we could help.

Edited by anagram, 26 February 2013 - 01:47 AM.

[xEva]

Is there anything in those ingredients that may have affected her stomach?

coconut oil

[tham]

She went into a coma, has brain edema, "someone" (which someone ?)
suspects a virus, and she is not in the ICU ?!?!

As Niner asked, what half-past-six hospital did you send her to ? She's not
on any drip ? Shouldn't she in the ICU on IV dexamethasone immediately
to reduce the brain edema, regardless of whether they have managed to scratch
their heads to diagnose her condition, which may well be encephalitis or meningitis ?

Are you sure this is a hospital she is in now ?

How can any idiot doctor be just giving such a morbid patient oral steroids
"which won't stay down" ?

And yet you are trying to treating her with supplements ?!?!

Edited by tham, 26 February 2013 - 10:33 AM.

[Logic]

Notebook keyboard broken atm; plz excuse shorthand; using on screen kb.

She is in hospital! New South Africa hospitals not what they used to be..!
eg:
Morgue refridgeration broken for abt 5 yrs now..!
Emergency generator/s out of order and numerous power fails.
Not enough bedding; stolen by staff.
Night staff absent. especially over weekends.
Critical shortage of meds exept pain shots.
Critical shortage of qualified staff and equipment not being mantained.

ie: 3rd world in 1st place again, as happened in rest of africa...
Dont want this thread to turn into a racial, pollitical bun fight!???

This is y i trying to help..!?

NB; BHT containing pills helped. other ingredients?????????????
Any studies on half life, tox etc apreciated.

Thx for concern % suggestions

Edited by Logic, 27 February 2013 - 12:20 PM.

[Logic]

http://www.efsa.euro...al/doc/2588.pdf
From this; seems 900mg/day ok?
Dose went down to 500mg/day on day 2, then dropped off to 0 in 3 days.

("...thyroid glands of rats exposed to 500mg BHT/kg bw/day for 28 days showed an increase in the number of follicle cells..."
Seems interesting to look @ for hypo thyroid & weight issues?)

Lemon balm Uses:
Lemon balm is used for digestive problems, including upset stomach, bloating, intestinal gas (flatulence), vomiting, and colic; for pain, including menstrual cramps, headache and toothache; and for mental disorders, including hysteria and melancholia.

Lemon balm Side Effects:
When taken by mouth, lemon balm can cause some side effects including nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, dizziness, and wheezing.

????????????

http://www.webmd.com...Name=LEMON BALM

[Logic]

BHT thread:
http://www.longecity...opic/42592-bht/

[tham]

The morgue's refrigeration has been defunct for five years ..... goodness me.
You mean the bodies are left to decompose there in the basement (or ground floor).

And they have no proper stocks of medication other than painkillers.

Better transfer her to a better hospital fast then , like one in Cape Town,
before she catches pneumonia or something serious from the cadavers.

I don't suppose the one she is in now would have a CAT scanner, let alone
an MRI machine ? Otherwise, get her a scan to exclude brain tumors, which
can also raise intracranial pressure and cause the symptoms you mentioned.

Edited by tham, 27 February 2013 - 08:17 PM.

[1kgcoffee]

How's your friend doing, Logic?

I agree with Tham. We have no idea what is going on. She needs to be taken to a hospital quickly

[niner]

I agree with Tham. We have no idea what is going on. She needs to be taken to a hospital quickly

She's already in a place that they call a "hospital". She needs to be taken to a first world hospital. Do they no longer have those in South Africa?

Edit: Looks like the country has a two-tiered healthcare system. Apparently Logic's friend is in the wrong tier.

Edited by niner, 28 February 2013 - 02:43 PM.

[tham]

What is her blood profile , especially -

Lymphocytes
Neutrophils
ESR

If it is an acute viral infection, you would probably see :

Increased lymphocyte count
Decreased neutrophils
Increased ESR, typically above 20 mm/hr for females.

[Logic]

Thx for your concern and suggestions everyone.

Yes; South Africa has private hospitals that are way more 1st world.
Sadly my friend does not have medical insurance and thus can not afford them.
The state run 'hospitals' are genrally a joke and would be better named 'Death Traps'.
The rest of the country is not much better except perhaps where the oposition party has won the local elections.
It seems the world learns nothing from history. Specifically the history of african countries like Rhodesia/Zimbabwe etc etc...

The good news is that she has been transfered to a ... 'better' 'hospital' in Bloemfontein.
While only 1 of the lifts there work (and only if you ram the door twice) it is better in that there is a univarsity there which means that there are a lot of med students and real doctors/mentors there.
They are still usure of which virus she has and are still simply feeding her a steriod of some improved sort to boost her immune system.

They are also giving her something for nausia which is working and she is able to eat and drink again.
This has enabled her to once again experiment with the BHT containing supp:
It seems it is a lipid coated virus as the numbness subsides when she takes them.
Perhaps the other ingeredients are causing this..??
However; the supp does make her feel nauseous..???

Sadly I have not had any luck scourcing Berberine and the other supps suggested here yet.

I am now also in Bloemfontein and will try to get hold of the information in her file to post it here, as well as the supps suggested.
I will also endevour to find the time to better answer all the concerns and questions asked so far individually.

Thx again everyone

[tham]

Give her monolaurin. Don't know if it will cross the blood-brain barrier, though.


http://www.iherb.com...-Capsules/23529

http://www.iherb.com...ggie-Caps/42053

http://www.smart-dru...-monolaurin.htm


http://lauricidin.com/



" Viruses are Killed by Monolaurin "

http://www.prepareds...ic-humans-1474/


" How to crack the shell of your virus with monolaurin from coconut oil "

http://www.examiner....ind-information


http://www.lauric.org/


Glycerol monolaurate prevents mucosal SIV transmission.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....onolaurin virus


Inhibition of Listeria monocytogenes by fatty acids and monoglycerides.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/1610184


Effect of antimicrobial factors in human milk on rhinoviruses and milk-borne cytomegalovirus in vitro.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10933257


Glycerol Monolaurate and Dodecylglycerol Effects on Staphylococcus aureus and Toxic Shock Syndrome Toxin-1 In Vitro and In Vivo

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2759527/


Dodecylglycerol provides partial protection against glutamate toxicity in neuronal cultures derived from different regions of embryonic rat brain.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/9138422



http://www.drweil.co...-Treatment.html

Edited by tham, 01 March 2013 - 12:19 AM.

[Logic]

Give her monolaurin. Don't know if it will cross the blood-brain barrier, though.


http://www.iherb.com...-Capsules/23529

http://www.iherb.com...ggie-Caps/42053

http://www.smart-dru...-monolaurin.htm


http://lauricidin.com/



" Viruses are Killed by Monolaurin "

http://www.prepareds...ic-humans-1474/


" How to crack the shell of your virus with monolaurin from coconut oil "

http://www.examiner....ind-information


http://www.lauric.org/


Glycerol monolaurate prevents mucosal SIV transmission.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....onolaurin virus


Inhibition of Listeria monocytogenes by fatty acids and monoglycerides.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/1610184


Effect of antimicrobial factors in human milk on rhinoviruses and milk-borne cytomegalovirus in vitro.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10933257


Glycerol Monolaurate and Dodecylglycerol Effects on Staphylococcus aureus and Toxic Shock Syndrome Toxin-1 In Vitro and In Vivo

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2759527/


Dodecylglycerol provides partial protection against glutamate toxicity in neuronal cultures derived from different regions of embryonic rat brain.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/9138422



http://www.drweil.co...-Treatment.html

Thx
Already giving her Coconut oil.
Its high in Lauric acid wich is turned into moolaurin by saliva if I have it right.
Told er to swish which will also kill mouth bacteria that lead to all sorts of nasty diseases.

[tham]

This is why I have been taking bottles of monolaurin.


" .... 1 - 6 % Monolaurin from any available lauric acid. "

" .... 3 - 9 grams per day of monolaurin for effective antiviral and antimicrobial effects. "

" ..... need to eat about 300 - 900 ml. of coconut oil per day. "


http://www.healthy-o...auric-acid.html


With a maximum 6 % conversion from the typical 50 % lauric acid content of
virgin coconut oil, to obtain 3 grams of monolaurin, you would need to take :

3 x 100/6 x 100/50 = 100 grams of coconut oil = 6 to 7 tablespoonfuls.



" Minimum bactericidal concentrations (MBC) of lauric acid, monolaurin
and lactic acid were 3.2 mg/ml, 0.1 mg/ml and 0.4% (v/v), respectively. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23077821


This means that monolaurin is some 32 times more potent than lauric acid,
against Staph aureus at least, in vitro.

Taking the above example again, in terms of potency :

100 grams coconut oil = 50 grams lauric acid = 50/32 = 1.56 grams monolaurin.



" ..... the poorly active lauric acid "


Antibacterial study of the medium chain fatty acids and
their 1-monoglycerides: individual effects and synergistic relationships.

http://www.pjm.micro...l5812009043.pdf



" Among the carbohydrate derivatives synthesized, lauric ether of methyl
alpha-d-glucopyranoside and lauric ester of methyl alpha-d-mannopyranoside
showed the highest growth-inhibitory effect with MIC values of 0.04 mM,
comparable to monolaurin. "

The antimicrobial efficacy and structure activity relationship of novel carbohydrate
fatty acid derivatives against Listeria spp. and food spoilage microorganisms.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19012983


" Fifty percent of the mice survived for 30 days when receiving daily
vancomycin (7/14) and monolaurin (4/8). "

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/20021093/



" .... lauric acid had a minimum bactericidal concentration (MBC) at pH 7.4 of 1 mM
...... monolaurin was the most potent MG (MBC 0.5 mM). "

" ..... the bactericidal action of monolaurin was not pH-dependent. "


Antibacterial actions of fatty acids and monoglycerides against Helicobacter pylori.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12727360


" However, in vivo GML (monolaurin) was more effective than DDG by reducing
mortality, and suppressing TNF-α, S. aureus growth and exotoxin production,
which may reduce toxic shock syndrome. "

Glycerol Monolaurate and Dodecylglycerol Effects on Staphylococcus aureus
and Toxic Shock Syndrome Toxin-1 In Vitro and In Vivo

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2759527/

[tham]

As asked earlier, you should post her basic blood profile here, at least the ESR.

If the ESR is normal, there is unlikely to be any active infection, thus no
point giving monolaurin and the other infection-fighting supplements.

High ESR can also mean autoimmune disease, since it is a nonspecific marker
of inflammation.

http://www.livestron...mentation-rate/

[tham]

On page 30 :

" Monocaprin and monolaurin were active in concentrations 10 times lower
than the correspondingly free fatty acids .... "



Inactivation of enveloped viruses and killing of cells by fatty acids and monoglycerides.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....c00092-0067.pdf

[MrHappy]

This sounds a lot like some form of viral encephalitis, but without some real tests, it's hard to know.

If that were the case, another protocol to consider could be tromantadine + valaciclovir, which does cross the BBB quite easily.