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[bernard]

Hello,
I am starting this log to describe my personal progress with ADHD using modafinil. This is the first actual drug that I am trying for this problem. I've tried piracetam and Mentat before for other reasons and they did not help with ADHD (but were extremely helpful for anxiety)

I bought a Turkish generic modafinil called Modiwake

This is no lowly ebay scam. This is bought straight from the pharmacy. It's 100% legit. They come in 200mg tablets and cost about $110 a box.

I took the first tablet the day I got it at about 11am after a mini banana meal (didn't want to take it on an empty stomach). I was feeling sleepy before that because I didn't get a good night's sleep. I have to admit it does wake you up. It's not like a high, you just suddenly stop being tired. There is no serious increase in heart rate if any, but it's not a super potent nootropic - not for me at least.

07:00 PM - Decided to go to a friend to do some business brainstorming. Took another 200mg tablet. Now I did feel this a bit stronger. Stronger stimulation and a very very mild anxiety probably psychological since this is a new thing for me. One hour later I got stoned on good weed and now it's almost 02:00am (7 hours later) here as I am writing this and I am still not feeling sleepy even after doing the pot which has never happened to me. I always feel very sleepy after 1-2 hours of THC tripping.

All in all some people report better stories with it. I for one do have some problem with stimulants, because when I drink caffeine I don't feel it either even at heavy doses of 400+mg. I do get the jitteriness and all, but no energy or focus. So I may not be a good candidate for Modafinil. I will use the whole box nevertheless. Lots of scientists try to increase norepinephrine levels, but I think the hyperactivity problem in ADHD people has already fried out the receptors so it's probably norepinephrine sensitivity that they should aim for. I personally am interested in trying a relatively safe drug that can effectively increase norepinephrine sensitivity in brain. If you have any ideas about one, let me know.

Will keep you updated. Over and out.

[bernard]

I did not sleep last night and had a comfortable and calm night working on my PC. At about 7:00am the effects started to wear off and I felt extremely groggy, but that was to be expected - after all I worked all night. I decided to take my next pill at 9:00am hoping that it would provide me with some wakefulness for the day at work.
9:00 AM I ate a banana again, some vit.C drink and I took another 200mg pill.
Ok it works. I went from super groggy to normal and am currently writing this after more than 36 hours of sleep deprivation. I feel normal, No increased heart rate, no anxiety.
I am feeling the DRI bonus effects of modafinil from day two already. I am getting cocky, arrogant even. Etc. etc. It's a good feeling and it's a new feeling.
It's also good for appetite supression as I eat much less on this thing and feel just as full as before and I am noticing some good water loss (flush) from my face and abdomen areas. Possibly even a minuscule amount of fat loss. Gosh I am so excited about this thing.
It's not your limitless drug but it's something else. It's a pill of wakefulness, satiety and confidence. I will rest tonight and sleep and I will take another pill tomorrow.
Over and out.

[bernard]

Was able to fall asleep yesterday easily.
Took 2 x 200mg pills empty stomach today. Nothing like yesterday. Something went wrong. I was down all day with flu-like symptoms. General feelings of weakness and mild nausea continued throughout the day and are still present. A feeling of burn in my head as well. I felt tired and weak. I was no smarter than my usual self maybe even stupider.
No significant increase in heart rate and anxiety (A stimulant, go figure...). No confidence boost.
Appetite was suppressed all day and still is, but that's probably due to the nausea. Ate just once and felt sick afterwards. Weird burps with a pharmaceutical smell were present for a while. Urine smells different as well.
Worst part - was really depressed. I am not sure if it was 100% chemically induced as I was really looking forward to modafinil working out for me, especially after all those "Modafinil the real life limitless drug" and today I was really really disappointed with the results.
A mild increase in libido.

Will reduce the dosage to one pill tomorrow.

P.S.
Read about Nuvigil (Armodafinil) today. Supposedly it's stronger and better. I am adding it to my list.

Edited by Tatsumaru, 07 November 2013 - 05:32 PM.

[bernard]

Yesterday I started my day with 1/2 tbsp. of baking soda to lower the acidity of my stomach so more of the drug can survive. Took one 200mg tablet in the morning after the soda and felt good all day - None of those nasty 400mg dose effects. No depression, no fever, no nausea etc.
However... I've been taking this for a few days now maybe and there are some poorly understood effects of this drug that last past the half life such as Dopamine Re-uptake Inhibition and maybe some change in liver enzymes.

So last night I went out for a drink with a friend. Keep in mind that I took the pill early in the morning but went out at about 8pm (without taking another pill) so it was way past the onset. I had two beers. Felt good no problems - chatty, walking around lively, no increased heart rate, no anxiety, no problems at all, just a little bit drunk, as I normally don't drink at all.

So I got back home at about 4am and decided to get a quick hit from the bong just before bed. And that's when things went south. Trip started as usual (note that I had that same weed the first day with modafinil with no issues - in fact I had the weed just after my second tablet that day, while here I had weed more than 10 hours later than my last modafinil dose), calm, relaxed feeling - you know THC... but it started building up more and more. Started feeling really sick and decided to go to bed as that is usually how I deal with bad chemical experiences. Kept getting worse and worse. I fell asleep but woke up two hours later. Heart pounding like crazy, blood pressure low, feet and hands and nose super cold. Same pattern is present when someone is suffocating and the body draws the blood from the extremes to allow for more blood to reach vital organs/brain.

Anyway, at some point I was kinda scared that I'd have to go to the hospital, but then I said to myself that people mix things way stronger and survive, so I just laid there and waited for it to finish its course. Some hours later I felt asleep and that's it. I woke up this morning and I have a bad headache and a general feeling of weakness and nausea...

Any ideas what happened ?

WARNING! When taking modafinil keep in mind that this drug may affect liver metabolism and therefore the metabolism of any other drugs/substances you are taking allowing them to reach much higher/different concentrations in blood. Modafinil may be unsafe to mix with alcohol even little amounts.

[Metagene]

Definitely stay away from alcohol while on Modafinil. I was jacked up for hours after consuming with bourbon lol.

[MangekyōPeter]

yeah, i also felt an amphetamine like high on the times I consumed Modafinil with Alcohol. :( couldn't sleep till 3:00 am usually (having taken modafinil at my regular 10:00-12:00am
dosage time.

[vtrader]

Sounds like you are having a major anxiety attack, I've also started a similair thread on waklert, which is a product like modafinil. Taking a second dose started some of the symptoms you mentioned in me as well.
If you are not use to anxiety attacks stay of this stuff or any other stimulants, best things you can do is just to use that energy and do something productive or learn to sit with it and let it pass in its own time.

[bernard]

Sounds like you are having a major anxiety attack, I've also started a similair thread on waklert, which is a product like modafinil. Taking a second dose started some of the symptoms you mentioned in me as well.
If you are not use to anxiety attacks stay of this stuff or any other stimulants, best things you can do is just to use that energy and do something productive or learn to sit with it and let it pass in its own time.

... This has nothing to do with anxiety at all. You don't wake up from anxiety attacks. In fact if you read carefully you will see that I am the opposite of anxiety-prone. When bad symptoms from a combination of substances occured, I managed to stay super calm. Please don't dumb down this thread.

[magniloquentc0unt]

in my experience modafinil worked better with a serotonergic, bacopa for example.
by the way, i doubt armodafinil is much different.. same old story of patents about to expire blablabla (same with focalin ritalin and a shitload of other meds)
dont get tricked into thinking its "more and better"

[bernard]

in my experience modafinil worked better with a serotonergic, bacopa for example.
by the way, i doubt armodafinil is much different.. same old story of patents about to expire blablabla (same with focalin ritalin and a shitload of other meds)
dont get tricked into thinking its "more and better"

Yes, you are probably right. I don't expect much of Nuvigil at all. I am just trying it so I can check it off my list.

Interesting. By the way I gave a pill of Modafinil to a friend - he felt the same effects like me. So no placebo but nothing special either. I think this finding is key:

Research suggests that individuals with the Val/Val genotype experience a great improvement in their cognitive function, while those with the Met/Met genotype experience very little improvement on Modafinil.

[Andrew Murphy_28910]

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Research suggests that individuals with the Val/Val genotype experience a great improvement in their cognitive function, while those with the Met/Met genotype experience very little improvement on Modafinil.


Excuse my ignorance, but how does one know what genotype they carry?

[bernard]

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Research suggests that individuals with the Val/Val genotype experience a great improvement in their cognitive function, while those with the Met/Met genotype experience very little improvement on Modafinil.


Excuse my ignorance, but how does one know what genotype they carry?

That is a good question, but I don't know the answer. There are probably labs that you can give some stuff of yourself to analyze and they can come up with your genotype. Google it.

[bernard]

Final Verdict:
I took one 200mg of modafinil yesterday at 11am. Had a snickers before it. Onset is much slower with food compared to empty stomach + baking soda, which is really bad considering the enormous half-life of modafinil. It did bring me up a little bit and I was able to finish some stuff but not much. Got a shower later that day at about 7pm and noticed that a few random spots on my body itched in a weird way, similar to a mosquito bite but not exactly. Now I have no idea what that is but:
1. Modafinil is known to cause serious skin conditions in some people
2. I have sensitive skin

So I decided to permanently stop taking Modafinil. Maybe the skin thing has nothing to do with it, maybe it does, but since the effects are not even very nice I have no reason to continue taking it. This thing may ruin sleep patterns and increases the activity of other compounds such as THC, alcohol and maybe other things even 30 hours past administration. While effects are not really strong, the side effects are noticeable and unless you are of that Val/Val genotype who experience a dramatic increase of cognitive performance with Modafinil, then maybe it's not for you. Nevertheless try it, you never know. It's not my thing but maybe it is yours.

[Dreamy]

I second the alcohol and modafinil thing. I had 10 shots of alcohol on adrafinil, and I had the strangest experience ever. I started getting extremely anxious, blacked out and started sleepwalking!! I've sleptwalked before but I was in a semi conscious dream like state. Very strange experience, but like you stated it probably has something to do with modafinil slowing the liver down so anything else that has to be metabolized is done at a slower rate.

[Shotor Pakati]

Hi. Have used any other brands besides Modiwake by Generica. I read in some websites that it doesn't work and when they used Modafinil manufactured by other companies it worked. Can you please elaborate on that? Thanks in advance.

Edited by Shotor Pakati, 19 October 2016 - 08:03 PM.

[Shotor Pakati]

Hi. Have used any other brands besides Modiwake by Generica. I read in some websites that it doesn't work and when they used Modafinil manufactured by other companies it worked. Can you please elaborate on that? Thanks in advance.

Have you used any other brands besides Modiwake? (It is suppose to be question from my side, sorry...)

[psychejunkie]

Modafinil increases Histamine release in several parts of brain. allergic reactions, burning sensation and nausea are basic symptoms of high dosage.

please reduce your Modafinil dose and adjust, most people start with 50 mg (half 100 mg).

 

by the way, unlike the topic's title, Op didn't mentioned any improvement or worsening of ADHD symptoms!

 

Also, please do a drug log without combining it with other substances! such drugs as modafinil are already have different effects on different individuals, please do not over complex it with THC, alcohol, etc! thanks.

Edited by psychejunkie, 22 October 2016 - 05:19 AM.