''google ''antidepressants that inhibit crh'' etc
Posted 11 September 2018 - 11:21 PM
''google ''antidepressants that inhibit crh'' etc
Posted 14 September 2018 - 06:36 AM
prazosin and propranolol?https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/21409840
tiagabine https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/19346277
?paxil?escitalopram/citalopram??sertraline??
lorazepam?xanax etc , I honestly don't find clonazepam/klonopin to have any anxiolytic relief at all ,even taking 8mg at once I feel nothing from clonazepam.
Anticorticotropin
https://en.wikipedia...ticorticotropin
https://www.physiolo...1999.277.2.g391
Propylthiouracil (PTU)-induced hypothyroidism caused a significant reduction in CRH gene transcripts in the paraventricular nucleus of rats.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.../pubmed/8119200
pentobarbital
''Furthermore, blocking the neuroexcitant effects of CRH (using pentobarbital) abolished the alterations in CRF1 binding and expression. These results indicate that CRF1 regulation involves both occupancy of this receptor by its ligand, as well as “downstream” cellular activation and suggest that stress-induced perturbation of CRH–CRF1 signaling may contribute to abnormal neuronal communication after some stressful situations.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC2930769/
Histone deacetylase 1 (HDAC1) participates in the down-regulation of corticotropin releasing hormone gene (crh) expression.
https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/21463644 (Trichostatin A)
Edited by farshad, 14 September 2018 - 07:31 AM.
Posted 14 September 2018 - 08:10 AM
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/crh/
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/crhr1/
Im too lazy to go trough all the selfdecode drugs and see which ones inhibit CRH but here is a list I have made of all the drugs that lower CRH that I have posted on this thread:
(the ones in bold I recommend)
-Prochloraz (By using correlation analyses, it was found that the decrease in E2 plasma concentrations caused by PCZ was correlated with the down-regulation of CRH mRNA expression.)
-Pentobarbital (Furthermore, blocking the neuroexcitant effects of CRH (using pentobarbital) abolished the alterations in CRF1 binding and expression)
-Propylthiouracil (Propylthiouracil (PTU)-induced hypothyroidism caused a significant reduction in CRH gene transcripts in the paraventricular nucleus of male rats)
-Clomipramine (It was found that clomipramine lowers CRH mRNA expression in the PVN by 74%, regardless of stressor conditions)
-Pivagabine (pivagabine is now believed to act somehow via modulation of corticotropin-releasing factor (CRF).)
-Imipramine (As assessed by in situ hybridization, 8 wk of daily imipramine treatment (5 mg/kg, i.p.) in rats decreased corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) mRNA levels by 37% in the paraventricular nucleus (PVN) of the hypothalamus)
-Valproic acid (Moreover, CRF mRNA expression was decreased in the central nucleus of the amygdala (CeA) and paraventricular nucleus (PVN) of the hypothalamus.)
-Carbamazepine (Although CBZ has been shown to inhibit hypothalamic CRH secretion in vitro)
-Tiagabine (blockade induced a setpoint-shift of the stress hormone system toward lower levels as indicated by decreased plasma corticosterone concentrations and attenuated gene expression levels of corticotropin-releasing factor in the paraventricular nucleus of the hypothalamus)
-Xanax
-Diazepam
-Lorazepam
-Thorazine
-Haldol
-Clozapine
-Thioridazine
-Zyprexa
-Raclopride
Im leaning towards these: Clomipramine, Propylthiouracil, Carbamazepine or Valproic Acid. Any suggestion or ideas? Not sure how many people keep up with this thread lol or care.
Maybe I will skip out on Propylthiouracil becuase: On this study using St John's wort https://www.ncbi.nlm...ubmed/11526469 ''it says: significantly decreased levels of corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) mRNA by 16-22% in the hypothalamic paraventricular nucleus (PVN)''
Same wording was used on the Propylthiouracil study: ''caused a significant reduction in CRH gene transcripts in the paraventricular nucleus''
So im assuming Propylthiouracil reduced CRH about the same as St John's wort.
So...
TOP CRH blockers..
1. Clomipramine
2. Carbamazepine
3. Valproic Acid
WTF even causes high CRH-CRHR1 signaling? Graves' disease, autoimmune disorder(autoimmune hypothalamic disease)/HPA Axis disease, crh-secreting tumor(unless the tumor is in brain which mine wasn't cause I did an scan on my brain but not full body , anyway I don't think it would affect my anxiety) or hypermorphic mutation? Last one I think is my problem not 100% sure tho..
CRHR1 recepor can only be activated with CRH so it is not possible for me to have like too many CRHR1 receptors or my body somehow activates CRHR1 without CRH? I don't think so.
Edited by farshad, 14 September 2018 - 09:09 AM.
Posted 14 September 2018 - 09:17 AM
Tiagabine is also used off-label in the treatment of anxiety disorders and panic disorder.
https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Tiagabine
and also probably many Antithyroid agents etc reduce CRH.
Edited by farshad, 14 September 2018 - 09:27 AM.
Posted 14 September 2018 - 05:05 PM
Regarding CRH-Secreting tumor : However, research has revealed that when high levels of corticotrophin-releasing hormone occur in tissues outside the brain, they can actually have a powerful inflammatory action.
Posted 15 September 2018 - 05:15 AM
Also Note: most supplements I posted are way too weak to have any remarkable effect on reducing CRH that is why I didn't include them on the big post.
Dynorphins, Dipyrone, Zeranol & Indomethacin: Decreases reaction(CRH).
Thiamazole/Carbimazole?< Perchlorate results in decreased expression of CRHR1 mRNA.
Out of everything I have posted: Imipramine, Pivagabine,Tiagabine, Propylthiouracil, Clomipramine, Valproic acid & Carbamazepine seem the most promising.
Manganese & Vanadyl Sulfate (both supplements) I think are too weak. Who knows... The other recent drugs above are just random category drugs.
Edited by farshad, 15 September 2018 - 05:44 AM.
Posted 16 September 2018 - 06:49 AM
adenylate cyclase is an enzyme with key regulatory roles in essentially all cells.
DNA > mRNA > Protein(CRH cells)
I did a search on SelfDeCode and it turns out I have 6 mutations for regulating Protein expression...
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/mc4r/
''The mutant version of the MC4R gene produces a protein receptor that doesn't activate as well - it is less sensitive to signals from the body that tell the body that it is already full.''
https://www.selfdeco...om/gene/mtnr1b/
''The activity of this receptor is mediated by pertussis toxin sensitive G proteins that inhibit adenylate cyclase activity.''
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/chrm3/
''It also inhibits adenylate cyclase''
https://www.selfdeco...om/gene/gabbr2/
''Ligand binding causes a conformation change that triggers signaling via guanine nucleotide-binding proteins (G proteins) and modulates the activity of down-stream effectors, such as adenylate cyclase.''
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/adrb1/
''Beta-adrenergic receptors mediate the catecholamine-induced activation of adenylate cyclase through the action of G proteins. ''
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/fshr/
''The activity of this receptor is mediated by G proteins which activate adenylate cyclase.''
So this means due to all these mutations stacking up the adenylate cyclase which is supposed to regulate CRH is not being regulated.
I also have a mutation in my CRHR1 but not CRH or CRHR2. But CRHR1 can only be activated Via CRH right? So what would be causing high CRH to go trough CRHR1? Is it possible that due to the mutations not regulating the CRH protein cells and it somehow overactives CRHR1 which slowly made me more susceptible/prone to stress and the anxiety effect built up ? Is it possible due to the mutation in CRHR1 demands more CRH to be made? No idea or do I have a gene duplication in CRH/CRHR1?.. (doubt it)
I don't think I have a CRH-Secreting tumor either well atleast not in the brain tissues cause I did a brain scan but not full body anyhow outside of brain tissue it wouldn't affect me anyway.
Here are my CRHR1 mutations but I have no idea what they mean:
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/crhr1/
https://www.selfdeco...gene/crhr1-it1/ (gene duplication?) <-? Intronic RNAs constitute the major fraction of the non-coding RNA in mammalian cells)
https://www.selfdeco...mgc57346-crhr1/ (gene duplication?) <-? ADP-ribosylation factor)
Hm.....So I doubt I have gene duplication either , and no tumors either, and I don't think my body is making excess CRH mRNA. It is just my body is not enzyme (adenylate cyclase) is not regulating CRH protein expression..
it is possible to have low mRNA but high protein expression becuase a single mRNA molecule can stick around and be translated many times (which mine is becuase the enzyme is not regulating it!!!!!!!!)
Consider an enzyme: An mRNA molecule is translated to make a protein, which has enzymatic activity on some substrate, and can be regulated.
Edited by farshad, 16 September 2018 - 07:33 AM.
Posted 16 September 2018 - 09:50 AM
UGH! all these mutations.. I think im gonna lose my mind.. I dont know what is right and what is not.
effectors. Effectors are small molecules which modulate the enzyme activity.
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/met/
''Acts as a receptor for Listeria internalin inlB, mediating entry of the pathogen into cells''
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/erbb4/
''This gene encodes a protein that works as a cell surface receptor.'
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/ikzf3/
''Plays an essential role in regulation of B-cell differentiation, proliferation and maturation to an effector state.''
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/yap1/
''as a transcriptional regulator of this signaling pathway''
Forget it. Im just gonna focus on CRH-CRHR1 and High CRH protein expression or CRH mRNA being recycled (longer half-life too) and translated many times to CRH-Protein which activates CRHR1 or both combined...
https://www.selfdecode.com/gene/npsr1/
''Neuropeptide S (NPS) and its receptor NPSR1 act along the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis to modulate anxiety''... cytokine interleukin 8 (IL8), and the interleukin 6 receptor (IL6R) etc...!!!!!!
Forskolin-stimulates platelet adenylyl cyclase activity... could this reduce CRH?
Edited by farshad, 16 September 2018 - 10:00 AM.
Posted 21 September 2018 - 08:36 AM
''On the other hand, cocaine-induced iCRH secretion was inhibited by GABA, a potent inhibitor of CRH secretion, dexamethasone, verapamil, a calcium channel blocker, tetrodotoxin, a sodium channel blocker, and carbamazepine, an antiepileptic and antidepressive agent.''
https://www.ncbi.nlm.../pubmed/2611679
CRH-inhibitors:
1. Clomipramine
2. Carbamazepine
3. Valproate
4. Verapamil
5. Indomethacin
6. Naloxone
7. Terbutaline
8. Prednisolone
9. Mifepristone
10. Naltrexone
11. Tiagabine
12. Imipramine
13. Pivagabine
14. Propylthiouracil
15. Xanax
16. Diazepam
17. Lorazepam(?)
18. Thorazine
19. Haldol
20. Clozapine
21. Thioridazine
22. Zyprexa
23. Raclopride
24. Promazine
25. Risperidone
Edited by farshad, 21 September 2018 - 08:44 AM.
Posted 22 September 2018 - 08:22 AM
26. dexamethasone
Edited by farshad, 22 September 2018 - 08:22 AM.
Posted 22 September 2018 - 09:54 AM
Excess CRH-CRHR1 signaling causes high serotonin release which in turn makes your mouth produce a lot of saliva becuase of stress.
Edited by farshad, 22 September 2018 - 10:01 AM.
Posted 23 September 2018 - 09:13 PM
BUMP. no1 knows any other meds/drugs that inhibit CRH that I haven't mentioned yet? So far the top 3 seem to be:
1. Carbamazepine
2. Valproate
3. Clomipramine
options also: Indometacin, Verapamil, Terbutaline,Prednisolone,Naltrexone,Tiagabine,Imipramine ,dexamethasone , Raclopride and Pivagabine,
(edit) whoa: ''a slight inhibitory effect of cimetidine on CRH mRNA expression in the PVN.''
''Cimetidine, sold under the brand name Tagamet among others, is a histamine H2 receptor antagonist that inhibits stomach acid production.[2][8][9] It is available over-the-counter and is mainly used in the treatment of heartburn and peptic ulcers.''
Edited by farshad, 23 September 2018 - 10:07 PM.
Posted 01 October 2018 - 06:36 PM
''Tianeptine also reduces levels of CRH mRNA in the dorsal and ventral bed nucleus of the stria terminalis and in the central amygdala ( central nucleus of the amygdala) in both naı¨venaı¨ve and chronic mild stressed rats''
https://www.research...ss-exposed_rats
''Noradrenaline and glycine decreased the spontaneous release of CRH from the hypothalamus but neither of these substances affected hypothalamic CRH content''
https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC1353568/
Edited by farshad, 01 October 2018 - 06:47 PM.
Posted 07 October 2018 - 03:33 PM
or due to excess production of hypothalamus CRH (Corticotropin releasing hormone) (tertiary hypercortisolism/hypercorticism).
Posted 07 October 2018 - 07:38 PM
Posted 01 November 2018 - 10:06 PM
Posted 17 November 2018 - 03:57 AM
treatment with fluoxetine (Prozac) prevents the increased CRH expression in the amygdala, and decreased CRHR1 expression in the hippocampus in male Wistar rat.
Posted 17 November 2018 - 05:42 PM
https://onlinelibrar....1111/nmo.12804
Academic stress‐induced increases in salivary cortisol levels and the incidence rate of physical symptoms were significantly suppressed in the LcS group compared with the placebo group. In rats pretreated with LcS, WAS‐induced increases in plasma corticosterone were significantly suppressed, and the number of CRF‐expressing cells in the PVN was reduced. Intragastric administration of LcS stimulated gastric vagal afferent activity in a dose‐dependent manner.
FYI: that is Yakult, an easily obtainable probiotic.
Posted 20 November 2018 - 04:40 AM
0. chronic lithium treatment decrease CRHR1 mrna in the amygdala(where in the amygdala tho?)
'Lithium administration decreased CRF(1) mRNA expression in both the amygdala and frontal cortex'' https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/12606697
1. Chronic dosage of XiaoYaoSan decrease CRHR1 binding in the (basal?) amygdala
Results. Chronic pretreatment with Xiaoyaosan or antalarmin significantly reversed elevated anxiety-like behavior and the upregulated level of CRF1R and BDNF in the amygdala of stressed rats. pCREB did not differ significantly among the groups. https://www.hindawi....m/2016/1238426/https://www.amazon.c...B001MAVEV6?th=1
2. Holy Basil block CRHR1 receptor(pituitary hypothalamus?)
https://www.gaiaherb...Holy-Basil-Leaf
Thus, O. sanctum(holy basil) was found to be effective in the management of stress effects, and anti-stress activity could be due to inhibition of cortisol release, blocking CRHR1 receptor. https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/26899341
3. Tianeptine reduce CRH mRNA in the Central nucleus of the amygdala. Not good enough, we need something that decrease CRHR1 binding there.
https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC2701287/
https://mitolab.com/...-ml-30ml-100ml/
4. Prozac decreased CRHR1 expression in the hippocampus
https://www.research...ssness_paradigm
5. CRF1 receptor binding was decreased in both the basolateral amygdala and cortex by Valproic acid.
''Social defeat is a source of chronic stress in animals and humans, capable of causing significant changes in behaviour, brainfunctioning, physiology, neurotransmitter and hormone levels, and health (Bjorkqvist, 2001; Rohde, 2001; Allen & Badcock, 2003).''''Research also implicates that the referred behavioral effects are moderated by neuroendocrine phenomena involving serotonin, dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine, and in the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis, locus ceruleusand limbic systems (Bjorkqvist, 2001; Rygula et alli, 2005; Selten & Cantor-Graae, 2005; Marinia et alli, 2006; Huhman, 2006).''
''Anatomical connections between brain areas such as the amygdala, hippocampus, prefrontal cortex and hypothalamus facilitate activation of the HPA axis''
Edited by farshad, 20 November 2018 - 05:18 AM.
Posted 25 November 2018 - 12:32 PM
https://en.wikipedia...onvulsant#Drugs
possibly many interact with crhr1
also clomipramine doesen't work, reducing crh in the pvn is useless. you have to target cortex,hippocampus, basal and central amygdala & hypothalamus (pituitary). these places have crhr1 receptors you wanna either decrease crh or crhr1 binding/activity/mRNA etc etc in these specific places.
Edited by farshad, 25 November 2018 - 12:33 PM.
Posted 04 December 2018 - 09:36 PM
Escitalopram also decreased hippocampal CRF/CRH transcript.
Administration of Citalopram increases estrogen and progesterone production, but it does not alter gene expression of Fev, TPH2, SERT or 5HT1A in the dorsal raphe nucleus. Rather, it decreases CRH innervation in the raphe.
Fluoxetine inhibits corticotropin-releasing factor (CRF)-induced behavioural responses in rats.
Edited by farshad, 04 December 2018 - 10:32 PM.
Posted 10 December 2018 - 06:12 PM
Hypomethylation and hyperacetylation is associated with increased CRHR1 expression.
Hypoxia too. (Lactic acid)
Edited by farshad, 10 December 2018 - 06:53 PM.
Posted 02 January 2019 - 04:20 AM
xanax similar to valproate
Both acute and chronic alprazolam administration was found to decrease CRF concentrations within the locus coeruleus. Furthermore, chronic alprazolam decreased basal activity of the hypothalamic–pituitary–adrenal axis, CRF mRNA expression in the central nucleus of the amygdala, and CRF1 mRNA expression and receptor binding in the basolateral amygdala. In marked contrast, urocortin mRNA expression in the Edinger-Westphal nucleus and CRF2A receptor binding in the lateral septum and ventromedial hypothalamus were increased. Similar findings of an inverse relationship between the CRF1 and CRF2A receptor systems have been reported in an anxiety model based on adverse early-life experience, suggesting the intriguing possibility that CRF neuronal systems may be comprised of two separate, but interrelated, subdivisions that can be coordinately and inversely regulated by stress, anxiety, or anxiolytic drugs
Posted 19 January 2019 - 06:07 PM
Pre-perfusion with sub-therapeutic concentration lamotrigine inhibited CRF1-induced serotonin reduction without affecting CRF2-induced serotonin release, LTG inhibits CRF1-receptor-mediated serotonergic transmission.
Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:44 PM
http://science.scien...t/333/6051/1903
too much crhr1 activation increases anxiety but too little also increases anxiety due to lowered dopamine in one part of the brain, so it is about having an balance.
Edited by farshad, 25 January 2019 - 08:52 PM.
Posted 02 February 2019 - 06:32 PM
my theory is if you have too much crhr1 activation in the hippocampus you cannot exhibit self-control to stress. the hippocampus regulates how well you handle stress if you should react or not. Together with too much crhr1 in the basal amygdala which means you see more things as stress-inducing and which will dysregulated everything. Too little crhr1 you end up with too little dopamine in certain areas needed to overcome fear.
Posted 03 February 2019 - 07:41 AM
Posted 10 February 2019 - 07:33 PM
Can CRHR1 activators help depression by increasing serotonin and possibly have an anti-anxiety effect by increasing dopamine? (hippocampus,amygdala), just a little activation but not too much becuase it would be counterproductive. Together with a FAAH - inhibitor mechanism or magl inhibitor just incase so the anxiety / depression wont be too much cause of the CRHR1 activation.
too much CRHR1 activation:
Hippocampus > Basal amygdala > Central amygdala > repeat
Edited by farshad, 10 February 2019 - 07:38 PM.
Posted 15 February 2019 - 05:12 PM
lexapro decreased CRF transcript in the hippocampal DG
olanzapine inhibits stimulated CRH release from the hippocampus
Xiaoyaosan Results. Chronic pretreatment with Xiaoyaosan or antalarmin significantly reversed elevated anxiety-like behavior and the upregulated level of CRF1R (others?) and BDNF in the amygdala of stressed rats.
https://www.hindawi....m/2016/1238426/
valproic acid and lithium https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/12606697
and https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/11331142
Edited by farshad, 15 February 2019 - 05:14 PM.
Posted 25 February 2019 - 11:17 PM
the researchers at Stanford found that the larger the amygdala—and the stronger its connections with other regions of the brain responsible for perception and the regulation of emotion—the greater the amount of anxiety a child was experiencing. the amygdala is an evolutionarily primitive part of the brain located deep in the temporal lobe. It comprises several subregions associated with different aspects of perceiving, learning, and regulating emotions. Studies of laboratory animals placed in an environment causing chronic stress have determined that the animals' amygdalae grew additional synapses and that this synaptic connectivity resulted in chronic anxiety. The Stanford researchers acknowledge that some anxiety is an important emotional and biological reaction to both 'eustress' (good stress) and 'distress' (bad stress) at all stages of life. However, sustained anxiety can lead to disabling conditions such as phobia, post-traumatic stress disorder(PTSD) and generalized anxiety disorder. Studies of adults suffering from anxiety disorders have shown that they also possess enlarged, highly connected amygdalae. The basolateral amygdala is the specific region that was larger in children with higher anxiety. This is an evolutionarily older and ‘primal’ subregion which processes emotion-related sensory information and communicates it to the more cerebral neocortex which is an evolutionarily newer part of the brain. "The basolateral amygdala had stronger functional connections with multiple areas of the neocortex in children with higher anxiety levels,"
https://www.psycholo...redicts-anxiety
https://www.psychiat...polar-disorder/
btw regarding lexapro and hippocampal the DG stands for: https://en.wikipedia...i/Dentate_gyrus (only one part of the hippocampus) vs olanzapine whole hippocampus but not basal level. And lithium is Lithium carbonate in high dosages same with valproic high doses.
Edited by farshad, 25 February 2019 - 11:21 PM.
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