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Stem cell self-renewal with C60

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#2581 Advocatus Diaboli

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Posted 25 April 2025 - 06:58 AM

Baati et al. used rats. Grohn et al. used mice.

 

Grohn has some interesting observations:

 

 

"Finally, we conduct a lifespan and health span study in males and females C57BL/6 J mice comparing oral treatment with pristine C60-EVOO and EVOO alone versus untreated controls. We failed to observe significant lifespan and health span benefits of C60-EVOO or EVOO supplementation compared to untreated controls, both starting the treatment in adult or old age. Our results call into question the biological benefit of C60-OO in aging."

 

 

"Commercial C60-OO has unpredictable concentration and activity

We first obtained samples C60-OO from 4 popular online sources (labeled Source 1–4) and formulated pristine C60-OO in-house. C60-OO should be a transparent deep purple (f. 1a). However, there was marked discrepancy in the visual appearance of the commercial formulations, appearing dark brown and almost black (Fig. 1a). We performed HPLC on the samples and found a notable increase in impurity peaks in the commercial samples (Fig. 1b, inset). Again, with HPLC, we measured the concentration of C60 in each sample and compared it to the claimed concentration of the label. We again found remarkable variability in C60 concentration and in deviation from the stated concentration. The highest concentration found was in the freshly made in-house Pristine C60-OO at 1.4 mg mL-1, with the lowest being Source 3, at 0.57 mg mL−1 (Fig. 1c). When we compared these concentrations with the claimed concentrations on the labels, we found deviations ranging from negligible for Source 4, to > 38.5% for Source 2, with all except Source 4 deviating by > 18%."

 

For those who had experimented with C60, did you make your own, or purchase? I passed on C60 because of concerns about purity issues of both the C60 and the extra virgin olive oil (EVOO).

 

Remember the old internet axiom (which I just now made up): "There is about 3 times as much EVOO sold as there is produced". (Some sources say that claims of fake olive oil are overstaed but, in the interest of  preserving urban legend, I'll maintain that those claims of overstatement are overstated.)

 

And, in other news:

 

"A sophistical rhetorician [Gladstone], inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity, and gifted with an egotistical imagination that can at all times command an interminable and inconsistent series of arguments to malign an opponent and to glorify himself"

 

That famous line was coined by Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881), the British Prime Minister and novelist, to mock William Gladstone, his political rival.

 

 


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#2582 SenBen

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Posted 25 April 2025 - 09:32 AM

I think that NMN can help for better egg quality.

 

I think menopause reversal with NMN is anecdotal and there is no research paper about it. David Sinclair said that he knows woman who reversed menopause with NMN.

 

There is VIBRANT study on prolongation of menopause star with weekly small dose of Rapamycin.

 

As I went under a lot egg retrievals for egg cryopreservation I noticed that every time I was on weekly dose of Rapamycine (for few months) they said that eggs looked good morphologically so I guess Rapamycin did something good.

 

I think the point is to try to revers epigenetic aging as this reversal could revers ovarian aging too.

 

Thats why I think Tumbuckle steam cell protocol is a great option and I don t think that there is better option to revers epigenetic age,

 



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Posted 25 April 2025 - 10:38 AM

Hello Garrick, 

 

I am not sure if (in this instance) there are crossed wires, as your quote is of an older post  - the recent one, is still in part advisory rather than factual, but more conciliatory (and free of capitalisations!).   



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Posted 25 April 2025 - 10:49 AM

"As I went under a lot egg retrievals for egg cryopreservation I noticed that every time I was on weekly dose of Rapamycine (for few months) they said that eggs looked good morphologically so I guess Rapamycin did something good."

 

Perhaps.

 

Epi

 

 


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Posted 25 April 2025 - 11:30 AM

Advocatus Diaboli,

 

It has been considerably over a decade now and yet still no replication of the orginal study. Mice to us do seem a lot like rats to us and the lack of replication in mice, does not add weight to Baati, but should only serve as a limited detraction. 

 

These studies below demonstrate a stark difference between the metabolisms of mice and rats. Two studies, one where a cervical spinal cord injury was performed, and the other where underwent a T10 thoracic contusion spinal cord injury, showed a clear benefit to fasting over Calorie Restriction (as well as ad libitium controls) in rats. 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/21219083/

 

But in these transgenic mice, there was no benefit to intermittent fasting on recovery, with the lack of raised ketones a suggested cause (or indicator). 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.....gov/21219083/   

 

And it has been shown that fasting promotes mitchondrial fusion, which in turn has shown to increase symmetric stem cell division, and so increase stem cell numbers - which would presumably encourage injury repair.  

 

I believe it was theorised rather than stated by Baati et al, or perhaps illuded to, that the rats in the study were routinely fasted, and proposed by Turnbuckle, that c60oo synergised with this state - that fasting increased stem cell pools, and c60 stimulated their released.

 

Taking c60 without a fusion protocol such as fasting or supplementation, was dangerous, TB suggested because, stem cell level pools risked depletion. But to date we have no evidence in humans that there has been some accelerated aging experienced from long term users, with undoubtedly stem cell depleted aged individuals amongst them - and so this assumption seems questionable.

 

It is also worth noting the oil used was quite old in the Baati study, when still being administered to the rats iirc. 

 

Nevertheless, Turnbuckle who had an extreme (positive) intitial response to c60oo, appeared to have recovered many of those benefits through a protocol, after finding the benefits of just c60 wore off (as it seemed to with many).      



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Posted 25 April 2025 - 01:47 PM

So, gang -- Are we still using Turnbuckle's C-60 stem cell protocol? Is the general idea still valid, or are we abandoning it in favor of his new protocol he's published on LinkedIn? It seems they are distinct and for different purposes, but can someone confirm this for me? Turnbuckle seems to be a bit mum on the matter. Probably because he's in development of a supplement etc, which I get, but I wonder what the wisdom of the group says we do now?? And if so, how do we weave in the new protocol with the C-60 stem cell protocol? Do we just do them on different days or ??

 

Thanks in advance.

 

They are two separate protocols. The new protocol published on Linked in is a supplement to the mitochondrial protocol that is located here

 

https://www.longecit...drial-dynamics/

 

The C60 protocol specifically involves stem cell proliferation. They are two separate protocols for two different purposes.

 

Hope this helps.


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Posted 25 April 2025 - 06:31 PM

Thanks.... Is it a REPLACEMENT for the previous Mito protocol - or is it a supplement?

 

They are two separate protocols. The new protocol published on Linked in is a supplement to the mitochondrial protocol that is located here

 

https://www.longecit...drial-dynamics/

 

The C60 protocol specifically involves stem cell proliferation. They are two separate protocols for two different purposes.

 

Hope this helps.

 



#2588 Advocatus Diaboli

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Posted 25 April 2025 - 09:02 PM

Thanks, ambivalent. The 2 hyperlinks you give are to the same study. Is this the study you meant to link to as the 2nd hyperlink?



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Posted 26 April 2025 - 02:38 PM

Hi AD,

 

Apologies - a fortunate mistake!

 

This was the study I was referring to:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/21410319/

 

"In contrast to rats on an intermittent fasting regimen, mice exhibited no increase in blood ketone bodies by the end of the second, third, and fourth day of fasting"

 

So in the study you linked:

 

"After 8 h of fasting, serum KB significantly increased and serum glucose significantly decreased in fasted compared to fed mice."

 

Maybe these studies are not as inconsistent as they appeared at first blush. The first referennce doesn't cite low levels of ketones on the first day of fasting only on days 2 onwards - so perhaps ketone levels are elevated initially in mice then drop off? 

 

I suppose one question is whether ketone levels are involved with signalling of (or explicitly signal) mitochondrial fusion within the fasted state - and hence symmetric stem cell division.   



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Posted 26 April 2025 - 02:51 PM

Thanks.... Is it a REPLACEMENT for the previous Mito protocol - or is it a supplement?

 

I understanding is this:

 

1) The 100-120mg PQQ along with 1-2 grams of either AKG or AAKG is the replacement for the previous mitochondrial protocol that Turnbuckle came out with in early 2022. 

 

2) The recent "uplatching" and "downlatching" protocol he came out with on LinkedIn appears to be a supplement to the high dosage PQQ protocol mentioned in 1).

 

I can tell you based on personal experience the previous and high dose PQQ protocol has worked wonders for me (giving me the physique and tone of a 20 something - I'm 62). I have not tried the uplatching protocol (LinkedIn) because it appears to be more for athletic optimization rather than general life extension, I don't feel I need it, and he has not posted exactly what compounds he used to do the uplatching effect.

 

Hope this helps as well.


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Posted 26 April 2025 - 03:05 PM

I understanding is this:

 

1) The 100-120mg PQQ along with 1-2 grams of either AKG or AAKG is the replacement for the previous mitochondrial protocol that Turnbuckle came out with in early 2022. 

 

2) The recent "uplatching" and "downlatching" protocol he came out with on LinkedIn appears to be a supplement to the high dosage PQQ protocol mentioned in 1).

 

I can tell you based on personal experience the previous and high dose PQQ protocol has worked wonders for me (giving me the physique and tone of a 20 something - I'm 62). I have not tried the uplatching protocol (LinkedIn) because it appears to be more for athletic optimization rather than general life extension, I don't feel I need it, and he has not posted exactly what compounds he used to do the uplatching effect.

 

Hope this helps as well.

 

kurt9, I did try it - didn't get results as spectacular as turnbuckle, but still amazing (biceps curl to failure went from 21 to 37).

Kind of similar to early days of C60 (before 'saturation').

It is worth repeating (Kelvin's?) comment - this can be dangerous if you are not careful. Muscle strength/endurance goes up extremely fast (within hours), and ligaments/tendons do not follow quite as fast. I knew this and still managed to strain/sprain couple of things.



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Posted 26 April 2025 - 06:18 PM

Re: post #2589:

 

Thanks, ambivalent.

 

You write:

 

"Maybe these studies are not as inconsistent as they appeared at first blush. The first referennce doesn't cite low levels of ketones on the first day of fasting only on days 2 onwards - so perhaps ketone levels are elevated initially in mice then drop off?".

 

Yeah, it's too bad that the researchers didn't clearly state the initial conditions for their study. It leaves the reader to speculate instead of actually knowing what was going on.


Edited by Advocatus Diaboli, 26 April 2025 - 06:41 PM.


#2593 kurt9

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Posted 26 April 2025 - 08:16 PM

kurt9, I did try it - didn't get results as spectacular as turnbuckle, but still amazing (biceps curl to failure went from 21 to 37).

Kind of similar to early days of C60 (before 'saturation').

It is worth repeating (Kelvin's?) comment - this can be dangerous if you are not careful. Muscle strength/endurance goes up extremely fast (within hours), and ligaments/tendons do not follow quite as fast. I knew this and still managed to strain/sprain couple of things.

 

This is good to hear. I have not tried it because I am generally happy with me as I am. But I will keep it in mind.

 

I am well aware that muscles grow must faster than tendons and other tissues and that proper body-building requires one to grow all of these things in proportion. This is one reason why I have never used any body-building compound or supplement. I have used supplement for life extension purposes only. 



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Posted 26 April 2025 - 09:46 PM

This is good to hear. I have not tried it because I am generally happy with me as I am. But I will keep it in mind.

 

I am well aware that muscles grow must faster than tendons and other tissues and that proper body-building requires one to grow all of these things in proportion. This is one reason why I have never used any body-building compound or supplement. I have used supplement for life extension purposes only. 

 

I hear you :-)

I am in my 60s as well and have been lifting weights most of my adult life.

It is quite a novel feeling that I now need to consciously do a half-ass job lifting in order to let my ligaments/tendons catch up.


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