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[funkdakarma]

Hi,

I was wondering what the experiences of board members was in regards to having improved erections, with any of the following 3 supplements. I found that L-Arginine in large doses sort of helped, an Arginine and Citrulline combo had underwhelming results, and I have yet to try Pycnogenol even though it’s supposed to be effective.

I’m planning to use one of these in combination with Yohimbine HCL.

Thanks for any advice in advance!

[Galaxyshock]

Muira Puama could be even better for that.

[funkdakarma]

Thank you. Does Tongkat Ali help as well?

[John250]

Erections improve from blood flow and libido. Mucuna will increase libido from dopamine. L- Citrulline is great for blood flow as is L-Arginine but arginine bioavailability isn’t the best. I’d suggest AAKG or nitrosigine they are much better forms. Pycnogel is a great supplement for blood thinning. Tongkat will improve libido as well as horny goat weed, D-Aspartic Acid(3000-3500mg) and Eurycoma longifolia.

Edited by John250, 10 July 2018 - 03:44 PM.

[Galaxyshock]

Cistanche Deserticola is another good one, you really feel the penis full and strong on that one, I think it curved a bit as if reaching new heights. Haha

[triguy]

Erections improve from blood flow and libido. Mucuna will increase libido from dopamine. L- Citrulline is great for blood flow as is L-Arginine but arginine bioavailability isn’t the best. I’d suggest AAKG or nitrosigine they are much better forms. Pycnogel is a great supplement for blood thinning. Tongkat will improve libido as well as horny goat weed, D-Aspartic Acid(3000-3500mg) and Eurycoma longifolia.

 

 

anyone sell these compounds in one formula?

 

thx

[John250]

anyone sell these compounds in one formula?

thx

Citrulline and aakg yes But not the rest I prefer things separately anyway

[funkdakarma]

Cistanche Deserticola is another good one, you really feel the penis full and strong on that one, I think it curved a bit as if reaching new heights. Haha

 

How long did it take you to feel the effects of that. And between that, Cordyceps and Muira Puama, what would you recommend most for libido and erections boost?

[John250]

How long did it take you to feel the effects of that. And between that, Cordyceps and Muira Puama, what would you recommend most for libido and erections boost?

Libido and erections go hand-in-hand but also can be very different. If you have a blood flow issue then the vasodilators can help or even a low dose Cialis. For libido the first thing you should do is get not only your testosterone checked but your neurosteroids like progesterone, DHEA and Pregnenolone. Once you know those levels you can assess what supplementation you need instead of having to guess. People think testosterone is solely responsible for libido and erections that’s not the case. When I was like 16 years old I remember having an erection probably half the day I could literally run up the stairs run back down the stairs get something to eat then run back up the stairs and maintain an erection the entire time LOL I’ve been on steroids where my testosterone levels were 10 times as high as when I was 16 years old and if the fucking doorbell rings in the middle of sex I’ll lose an erection now LOL

[funkdakarma]

Libido and erections go hand-in-hand but also can be very different. If you have a blood flow issue then the vasodilators can help or even a low dose Cialis. For libido the first thing you should do is get not only your testosterone checked but your neurosteroids like progesterone, DHEA and Pregnenolone. Once you know those levels you can assess what supplementation you need instead of having to guess. People think testosterone is solely responsible for libido and erections that’s not the case. When I was like 16 years old I remember having an erection probably half the day I could literally run up the stairs run back down the stairs get something to eat then run back up the stairs and maintain an erection the entire time LOL I’ve been on steroids where my testosterone levels were 10 times as high as when I was 16 years old and if the fucking doorbell rings in the middle of sex I’ll lose an erection now LOL

My T levels are quite normal (high 700's last time I checked), so I think it's more about relaxation and finding something that takes the edge off a little. 

 

Like yohimbe for example, it really does nothing because I find it makes me more anxious. 

[John250]

My T levels are quite normal (high 700's last time I checked), so I think it's more about relaxation and finding something that takes the edge off a little.

Like yohimbe for example, it really does nothing because I find it makes me more anxious.

Well that would make sense because I’d say well over 50% of erectile dysfunction is mental. The second you think it’s going to happen it will happen. I’m the same way with yohimbe I can’t stand it. I can take amphetamines all day long but yohimbe makes me super jittery and skyrockets my blood pressure. Rauwolfia is even worse. Maybe look into Kava it shows it’s calming and increases libido.

http://tcmadaptogen.com/msg.php?id=131

[funkdakarma]

Well that would make sense because I’d say well over 50% of erectile dysfunction is mental. The second you think it’s going to happen it will happen. I’m the same way with yohimbe I can’t stand it. I can take amphetamines all day long but yohimbe makes me super jittery and skyrockets my blood pressure. Rauwolfia is even worse. Maybe look into Kava it shows it’s calming and increases libido.

http://tcmadaptogen.com/msg.php?id=131

I actually tried kava, and it had no effect. 

 

I think I may have both a mag and a zinc deficiency, so I should look into ZMA. Mag deficiencies are the root cause of a lot of my restlessness and overthinking. Passionflower helped in the beginning, but the effect has worn off. I'm taking a L-Carnitine/Alpha-Lipoic acid combo, and I've seen absolute zero results in a week. 

 

I think that the anti-depressants I took-albeit for a very short time-depleted something in me. If I could figure out the root cause with that, it would help me greatly. 

[John250]

I actually tried kava, and it had no effect.

I think I may have both a mag and a zinc deficiency, so I should look into ZMA. Mag deficiencies are the root cause of a lot of my restlessness and overthinking. Passionflower helped in the beginning, but the effect has worn off. I'm taking a L-Carnitine/Alpha-Lipoic acid combo, and I've seen absolute zero results in a week.

I think that the anti-depressants I took-albeit for a very short time-depleted something in me. If I could figure out the root cause with that, it would help me greatly.

I would get blood work done first to see if you even need it. That’s what I do these days instead of guessing I just get blood work for my doctor or I just order it online myself.

[Galaxyshock]

How long did it take you to feel the effects of that. And between that, Cordyceps and Muira Puama, what would you recommend most for libido and erections boost?

 

Well Muira Puama is known to be more or less anxiogenic so perhaps it doesn't quite suite you. Cordyceps and Cistanche are both very good options.

[funkdakarma]

Well Muira Puama is known to be more or less anxiogenic so perhaps it doesn't quite suite you. Cordyceps and Cistanche are both very good options.

 

Does that mean it amps you up/gives you more anxiety?

 

I think what you said about Cordyceps is what I'm trying to get, a calm and masculine ease and confidence. 

 

Any brands/strains I should look out for?

[John250]

Well Muira Puama is known to be more or less anxiogenic so perhaps it doesn't quite suite you. Cordyceps and Cistanche are both very good options.

On examine it says Muira attenuated the effects of MK-801 (NMDA-antagonist) so would this be something that would increase Glutamate and acetylcholine?

[John250]

Well Muira Puama is known to be more or less anxiogenic so perhaps it doesn't quite suite you. Cordyceps and Cistanche are both very good options.

Never heard of Cistanche but it seems it has a whole plethora of health benefits!

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC4771771/

[Heisok]

Does that mean it amps you up/gives you more anxiety?

 

I think what you said about Cordyceps is what I'm trying to get, a calm and masculine ease and confidence. 

 

Any brands/strains I should look out for?

 

Search Amazon or their website for Lost Empire Herbs Cistanche . Echinacosides >20% Acetosides >6% Very fine powder which can be hard to work with. Putting it in a beverage might be best, but I was able to top off the bottle of another tincture with some. . If taken orally without liquid, it will stain your tongue. My dentist was concerned until I explained. If you buy from their site, they have a policy which you can just return the pouch for your money. Definitely a very energizing product.

 

Dragon Herbs Desert Cistanche Drops tincture. Very energizing.

 

Cordyceps debate is complicated. This thread is a must read. https://www.longecit...for-motivation/

 

Dragon Herbs Cultured Cordyceps Drops. Energizing. Will buy some more when my Oriveda is gone.

 

Oriveda Cordyceps. Capsules which are very energizing. Chewing on one of the capsuules with a little water will show the strength of the product.

 

I also take Pycnogenol, Gotu Kola and other supplements . keep in mind that some herbs tend to be adaptogenic, and the benefits take some time.

 

Other then the above, I do not really have much to add. Sorry.

 

 

Edited by Heisok, 09 September 2018 - 02:41 AM.

[Galaxyshock]

Does that mean it amps you up/gives you more anxiety?

 

I think what you said about Cordyceps is what I'm trying to get, a calm and masculine ease and confidence. 

 

Any brands/strains I should look out for?

 

Yes Muira Puama is known to cause anxiety, while at the same time having anti-stress effects. So it's a bit complicated.

 

I've been using Doctor's Best ultra cordyceps 2 - 4 capsules, I found it more powerful than the CS4 strain that's in many products.

 

 

Never heard of Cistanche but it seems it has a whole plethora of health benefits!

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC4771771/

 

 

Yeah it's a great herb. It's interesting how these certain plants, that survive in rough conditions (like cistanche in the deserts), produce compounds with broad range of health benefits with adaptogenic/tonic nature.

[prunk]

Pycnogenol gave me stronger erections. It felt almost like a mini dose of viagra. But unfortunately it also gave me a some sort of allergic reaction in a form of small rash, although I'm not 100% was it induced by pycnogenol.

Edited by prunk, 09 September 2018 - 09:58 AM.

[funkdakarma]

On examine it says Muira attenuated the effects of MK-801 (NMDA-antagonist) so would this be something that would increase Glutamate and acetylcholine?

 

So therefore something that could be anxiolytic?

Pycnogenol gave me stronger erections. It felt almost like a mini dose of viagra. But unfortunately it also gave me a some sort of allergic reaction in a form of small rash, although I'm not 100% was it induced by pycnogenol.

 

I found it gave me a headache. But there was definitely a discernible effect there. 

 

It's supposed to be very efficacious when built up over time. Definitely no snake-oil element there.

[funkdakarma]

Search Amazon or their website for Lost Empire Herbs Cistanche . Echinacosides >20% Acetosides >6% Very fine powder which can be hard to work with. Putting it in a beverage might be best, but I was able to top off the bottle of another tincture with some. . If taken orally without liquid, it will stain your tongue. My dentist was concerned until I explained. If you buy from their site, they have a policy which you can just return the pouch for your money. Definitely a very energizing product.

 

Dragon Herbs Desert Cistanche Drops tincture. Very energizing.

 

Cordyceps debate is complicated. This thread is a must read. https://www.longecit...for-motivation/

 

Dragon Herbs Cultured Cordyceps Drops. Energizing. Will buy some more when my Oriveda is gone.

 

Oriveda Cordyceps. Capsules which are very energizing. Chewing on one of the capsuules with a little water will show the strength of the product.

 

I also take Pycnogenol, Gotu Kola and other supplements . keep in mind that some herbs tend to be adaptogenic, and the benefits take some time.

 

Other then the above, I do not really have much to add. Sorry.

 

Is Cordyceps over-stimulating to you? Or do you feel relaxed yet energized?

[John250]

I’ll tell you one thing that will give EXTREME erections and that is MT2 or PT141. Increases libido as well but just a few more mcg than normal can make you nauseous

[Heisok]

I have not felt over stimulated by Cordyceps.

 

Today is the last day of a sale of Cistanche by LEF. Seems like a good price at #30, 210 mg standardized Cistanche for $6. http://www.lifeexten...dized-Cistanche

[funkdakarma]

I have not felt over stimulated by Cordyceps.

 

Today is the last day of a sale of Cistanche by LEF. Seems like a good price at #30, 210 mg standardized Cistanche for $6. http://www.lifeexten...dized-Cistanche

 

Did it have a noticeable effect on the libido?

[Heisok]

Tough call given the combination of things which I take, and for how long. Can perhaps be taken shortly before.  I want to mention that Cistanche might be a little over stimulating at times/

 

LEF has a product called Prelox which has Pycnogenol/Arginine/Icariin (Epimedium (Horny Goat Weed)) I have not tried it, and it seems expensive. (I have had luck with Icariin in the past.

 

https://www.selfhack...m/blog/icariin/

 

I do not think that any one thing will solve these very complex issues. You might just have to try several things to see how they work for you. Perhaps some test runs so-to-speak.

Edited by Heisok, 10 September 2018 - 01:03 AM.

[Kimer Med]

Might be related to nitric oxide (NO) production. Supplements that can increase NO include:

 

Arginine

Ginkgo Bilobo

Panax Ginseng

Garlic + Vit C

Resveratrol

Quercitin

Vit D

Green Tea

Vinpocetine

 

The biochemical production of NO from Arginine requires an enzyme called BH4. In the process, BH4 is transformed into BH2. This is important for a couple of reasons:

 

1. BH2 to BH4 recycling requires SAMe and methylfolate. If your methyl-related metabolism is messed up, your NO production will be, too.

2. BH4 is easily damaged by oxidative stress. Anything you can do to decrease oxidative stress might help (*except* Vit C)

3. If you don't have enough unoxidized BH4, the odds of NO-related supplements helping are minimal unless they also help quench oxidative stress

 

One hint of possible BH4 problems is trouble with sleep (serotonin production also needs BH4).

 

[John250]

When your body senses too much arginine it tends to shut it down so supplementing with L-Norvaline prevents it.

Might be related to nitric oxide (NO) production. Supplements that can increase NO include:

Arginine
Ginkgo Bilobo
Panax Ginseng
Garlic + Vit C
Resveratrol
Quercitin
Vit D
Green Tea
Vinpocetine

The biochemical production of NO from Arginine requires an enzyme called BH4. In the process, BH4 is transformed into BH2. This is important for a couple of reasons:

1. BH2 to BH4 recycling requires SAMe and methylfolate. If your methyl-related metabolism is messed up, your NO production will be, too.
2. BH4 is easily damaged by oxidative stress. Anything you can do to decrease oxidative stress might help (*except* Vit C)
3. If you don't have enough unoxidized BH4, the odds of NO-related supplements helping are minimal unless they also help quench oxidative stress

One hint of possible BH4 problems is trouble with sleep (serotonin production also needs BH4).

Have you ever supplemented with BH4? I was thinking of getting some from irc.bio as it supposedly helps restore the dopamine system from what I read.

[Kimer Med]

Have you ever supplemented with BH4? I was thinking of getting some from irc.bio as it supposedly helps restore the dopamine system from what I read.

 

No, I haven't taken it myself, though I'm aware that it's available -- expensive, and still out of stock at irc.bio.

 

The Phenylalanine --> Tyrosine --> L-Dopa pathways both require BH4, and L-Dopa is the direct precursor for Dopamine. Conversion of Tryptophan --> 5-HTP also requires BH4 (5-HTP is the precursor for Serotonin). 

 

I'm skeptical of the benefits of direct supplementation, since BH4 is so easily damaged by oxidation (either before ingestion or after). Better to fix the biological pathways if you can, IMO.

[Skyguy2005]

what would you recommend most for libido and erections boost?

 

Have a hot girlfriend?

 

Seriously, having someone you are really into is the best thing. A consideration less for the long-married... more for single types.