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Has anyone been put off folic acid because of the cancer risks of it?

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#1 osris

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Posted 29 December 2018 - 06:22 PM


I’ve been reading about how folic acid supplementation is linked to cancer development—or an increased risk of it. However, there is one study that says that this risk has been exaggerated:

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...health-21187585

 

I have a feeling that any cancer risks are almost entirely due to the dosage of folic acid. I find it hard to believe that the tiny amounts found in processed foods can cause cancer. So I tend to go along with the study mentioned rather than with other studies putting the opposite case.

 

I’m aware that any discussion about this here could prove inconclusive either way, and has probably been discussed here many times before to that end.

 

So I only want to ask if anyone here takes a standalone folic acid supplement (i.e. not as part of a fortified processed food), and if they do, what dosage of it?

 

And also if anyone here has been put off taking it because of the reported cancer risks?



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Posted 20 January 2019 - 10:35 AM

Folic Acid isn't found in nature; it's an artificial compound. As such, it isn't metabolized well by the body. In addition, its metabolic byproducts interfere with other aspects of methylation.

 

This is all in addition to the increased risk of cancer. It's a bad supplement.

 

So, yes, I don't take it, and would recommend it be avoided, both as a supplement and as a food additive.

 


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Posted 20 January 2019 - 12:04 PM

I thought it was found in beetroots amongst other vegetables

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 12:54 PM

I thought it was found in beetroots amongst other vegetables

 

The compounds found in food are typically mono or polyglutamate derivatives of 7,8-dihydrofolate.

 

Plain "folic acid" is synthetic. In comparison to the versions found in food, it requires an extra enzyme processing step by DHFR before it can be used. That extra step is slow, and can lead to lingering Unmetabolized Folic Acid (UMFA), which may decrease NK cell activity and increase cancer progression, among other things.


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Posted 21 January 2019 - 06:17 PM

If you took a look at almost every substance that promotes rejuvenation, you will uncover a cancer scare behind it.  Cancer spreads via the usual regenerative pathways in the absence of an effective immune response. 

 

Given that absolute and undeniable fact, the answer is to boost your immune system as you get older, not to shun any and all regenerative medicine.  Just to be clear this cancer scare issue comes up for every single thing we discuss on this board.  Senolytics might be the only intervention that avoids the issue entirely.

 

I'm not trying to make light of it, cancer is something we should definitely be scared of.  Instead of trying to cheese between dying of degeneration (mainly heart disease) and cancer, we should be focusing on rejuvenating the immune system alongside any regenerative intervention.

 

Until we can reboot the immune system, it's helpful to look at your family history.  My family doesn't have much cancer, it's mostly heart disease if anything, so I worry a lot less about this then someone who is in a cancer prone family. 

 

Just a few examples just off the top of my head:

1. Pluripotency Factors >>>  Rejuvenation and Cancer!

2. Mitochondrial Fission >>> Rejuvenation and Cancer!

3. Telomeres >>>                   Rejuvenation and Cancer!

4. DNA Repair >>>                Rejuvenation and Cancer!

4. Almost anything we get excited about here >>> Rejuvenation and Cancer!

 

For crying out loud, before immunotherapy, most cancer therapies focused on killing the patient even faster by targeting any and every possible cellular regeneration pathway.



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Posted 21 January 2019 - 06:54 PM

Someone asked for references. Here are a few:

 

http://www.hdri-usa....ts/methylation/ -- tests for folate metabolites

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/16365081 -- Unmetabolized folic acid in plasma is associated with reduced natural killer cell cytotoxicity among postmenopausal women

https://www.ingentac...000008/art00015 -- The Emerging Role of Unmetabolized Folic Acid in Human Diseases: Myth or Reality?

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/22854405 -- Unmetabolized folic acid prevalence is widespread in the older Irish population despite the lack of a mandatory fortification program

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/23482308 -- Is 5-methyltetrahydrofolate an alternative to folic acid for the prevention of neural tube defects?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.../pubmed/2166548 -- Folate-binding proteins.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/19056550 -- Unmetabolized folic acid and total folate concentrations in breast milk are unaffected by low-dose folate supplements.

 


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Posted 26 January 2019 - 04:20 AM

I dont think there is solid proof out there, but definitely seen discussion and research around it, here is some more info: https://www.mthfrsup...-5-mthf-debate/ . I think its also for those on it for long-term rather than those supplementing it temporarily (example for women taking it only for a period of time pregnancy, or ppl with anemia who need a folic acid boost etc)

 

i wonder if 5-methyltetrahydrofolate is a good alternative? i'm on that and helps me alot.

 

 


Edited by Ambrosia, 26 January 2019 - 04:22 AM.


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Posted 26 January 2019 - 05:17 AM

I dont think there is solid proof out there, but definitely seen discussion and research around it, here is some more info: https://www.mthfrsup...-5-mthf-debate/ . I think its also for those on it for long-term rather than those supplementing it temporarily (example for women taking it only for a period of time pregnancy, or ppl with anemia who need a folic acid boost etc)

 

i wonder if 5-methyltetrahydrofolate is a good alternative? i'm on that and helps me alot.

 

Folic Acid is a bad idea even for the short-term, IMO -- and *especially* for pregnant women. Although it reduces the incidence of neural tube defects, it replaces that risk with a new and much larger set of additional risks.

 

5-methyltetrahydrofolate (also known as Methylfolate) is good; that's the preferred form for supplementation.


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#9 Rosanna

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 12:46 AM

I've just been told my folate levels are borderline.  In my case it might be hormonal issues and I've got hypothyroidism.  I was told to supplement and I have felt better but not sure it's the right thing to do.  That said, staying deficient could lead to cardiomyopathy.  I eat a lot of vegetables as I'm mainly vegetarian.  Not sure why I'm suddenly deficient.



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 01:05 PM

I have both of those too

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#11 osris

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Posted 03 February 2022 - 02:18 PM

"Folic Acid Does Not Cause Cancer. So Who Made the Mistake?"


by Andrew W. Saul

"Science is a great servant but a poor master. Not infrequently, it can exemplify what Harvard math professor Tom Lehrer satirized as where "the important thing is to understand what you're doing, rather than to get the right answer." Just because a published study suggests something does not make it true.

I never liked math very much, and I still don't. But I am indebted to dedicated math teachers who taught me in spite of myself. Decades ago, one such teacher gave me wise advice that spans all disciplines: "Look at your answer. Does your answer make sense?"

So when research suggests that the vitamin folic acid somehow causes lung or colon cancer, it is time to hit the books. It may even occasionally be necessary to hit them right out of the way, and use common sense instead.

Folate, once known as vitamin B-9, is named after the dark green leafy vegetables it was first extracted from. "Folium" is Latin for leaf. Leaves and greens are high in folate. Herbivorous animals get plenty of folate because they eat plenty of foliage. Carnivorous animals also get plenty of folate, because they consume herbivorous animals. In the wild, this means the entire animal, including its abdominal organs full of the prey's last meal of partially digested vegetation. Indeed, the viscera are typically the first thing a predator eats.

If folate caused cancer, the whole animal kingdom would have a lot of it. And while wild animals have their own problems, cancer is rarely one of them.

If you look at the research suggesting a human cancer connection (1,2), it does not say that folate in food causes cancer. The research only points to folic acid, as specifically as found in supplements, as the bogey man.

But there is virtually no difference whatsoever between the two forms of this nutrient. Folate and folic acid are different only in whether the carboxylic acid groups have dissociated or not. Folic acid's molecular formula is C19, H19, N7, O6. Folate is C19, H18, N7, O6. The difference? Folate has one less hydrogen cation (H+). A hydrogen cation is a proton. A single proton. I have never seen evidence that protons cause cancer.

If folate/folic acid somehow caused cancer, it would have to be the rest of the molecule that is the problem. But most research shows that folic acid/folate prevents cancer. It is well-known that persons eating plant-based diets have a significantly lower risk of cancer. In addition to providing nutrients, eating more vegetation means more fiber and less constipation, valuable for preventing colon cancer. Herbivorous animals are definitely not constipated. Ask any dairy farmer, and you can start with me: many years ago, I used to milk 120 cows twice daily. When you walk behind Bossy, look out.

As for lung cancer, the research accusing folic acid also happens to show that 94% of the study subjects who developed lung cancer were either current or former smokers. Smoking causes cancer. Animals do not smoke. But they do eat a lot of foliage, either by grazing on greens or gorging on guts.

Both studies claiming that folic acid causes cancer were published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which also contains a large amount of pharmaceutical advertising. JAMA is among the journals that peer-reviewed research has shown to be biased against vitamins due to vested interests. (3)

What is more likely: that a small group of scientists made an error or two, or that all of Nature did? On this one, I am backing the animals. 1.8 million species can't be all wrong."

(Andrew W. Saul taught biology, nutrition, and health science at the college level. He is the author of Doctor Yourself and Fire Your Doctor! and, with Dr. Abram Hoffer, co-author of Orthomolecular Medicine for Everyone and The Vitamin Cure for Alcoholism. Saul is featured in the documentary film Food Matters. He is on the Editorial Board of the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine.)


References:

(1) Folic acid, B12 may increase cancer risk.
http://www.webmd.com...ase-cancer-risk
Original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19920236

(2) High doses of folic acid may increase colon cancer risk.
http://www.foxnews.c...,278237,00.html
Original study: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17551129

(3) Pharmaceutical advertising biases journals against vitamin supplements.
http://orthomolecula...ns/v05n02.shtml
Original study: Kemper KJ, Hood KL. Does pharmaceutical advertising affect journal publication about dietary supplements? BMC Complement Altern Med. 2008 Apr 9;8:11. Full text at http://www.biomedcen.../1472-6882/8/11 or http://www.pubmedcen...bmedid=18400092

http://orthomolecula...ns/v06n17.shtml




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