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[experimenting]

Apparently it has testosterone benefits and most of us are deficient BUT there is a controversy about which form and how much to take.

Anyone have the easy answer?

[Skyguy2005]

If you're taking a good multivitamin (e.g. pure essentials multivitamin) and olive oil is in the diet (which is always a good idea and something you should be doing anyway) there's no real need for supplementing vitamin E.

[dosquito]

I disagree. thorne two a day is pretty much the only multi that doesn't completely fuck up their e complex, which is why that's the one I take. even the one you listed is all alpha tocopherol (i think, only looked quickly)

[experimenting]

I disagree. thorne two a day is pretty much the only multi that doesn't completely fuck up their e complex, which is why that's the one I take. even the one you listed is all alpha tocopherol (i think, only looked quickly)

 

 

You notice any effects from E supplementation? Or is it just a waste of time. 

[dosquito]

I don't know since it's in my multi. I have been taking one jarrow famill-E per week but it's out nownans i'll probably stop.

Vitamin e formula is the fastest way besides b vitamins to use process of elimination on multis. all these multis that use only alpha and have like 500% DV are throwing the entire balance off.

[experimenting]

I don't know since it's in my multi. I have been taking one jarrow famill-E per week but it's out nownans i'll probably stop.

Vitamin e formula is the fastest way besides b vitamins to use process of elimination on multis. all these multis that use only alpha and have like 500% DV are throwing the entire balance off.

 

 

Now that we're on the subject, what's a good multi? I'm looking for one that doesn't have 10000000x the B vitamins, they always make me feel odd in megadoses.

[dosquito]

The only one i've found that i can actually recommend is thorne two a day. Main issue is manganese but not a big deal if you take one every other day

[Dorian Grey]

Vitamin-E is the most common basic vitamin deficiency in the "standard" American diet (see attached pdf), with over 90% not getting sufficient E from dietary sources. The key is to avoid synthetic-E, mega-doses, & insure you are getting an E formulation that includes "mixed tocopherols", rather than a stand alone Alpha-E supp.  

 

Synthetic E is shown as "dl" alpha tocopherol in the ingredient list, whereas natural E is listed as "d" alpha tocopherol.  You should also see the mixed toco's listed as beta, gamma & delta tocopherols.  I don't care for the "High-Gamma" formulations as these smell funny & make me feel queasy, but I've had no trouble with "Natural E with mixed toco's".  

 

Most stand alone E supps contain 400IU, but 200IU/day is plenty, and this strength is easy to find if you look for it.  

 

The PIVENS trial showed Vitamin-E effective at keeping fatty liver in check, and E has also been shown to slow progression of Alzheimer's disease, which leads me to believe it may also have some prophylactic effect.  Moderate / low dose natural E with mixed toco's is a no-brainer in my basic stack, & I've been taking this for well over a decade.  

 

I really don't care for muli-vitamin formulations, as they almost always include something I'd rather not supplement, like high-dose A, copper etc.  I found a very low-dose B-Complex in the drug store (Rite Aid B-Complex with B-12).  I add low dose C (500mg) which I take on an empty stomach to avoid excess dietary iron absorption; D (2000IU) & Natural E with mixed tocos (200IU) and add my exotics (curcumin, PPC/lecithin, CoQ-10, etc)

 

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[experimenting]

Vitamin-E is the most common basic vitamin deficiency in the "standard" American diet (see attached pdf), with over 90% not getting sufficient E from dietary sources. , I don't see how anyone could think this might not be an important part of a basic supplement stack. The key is to avoid synthetic-E, mega-doses, & insure you are getting an E formulation that includes "mixed tocopherols", rather than a stand alone Alpha-E supp.

Synthetic E is shown as "dl" alpha tocopherol in the ingredient list, whereas natural E is listed as "d" alpha tocopherol. You should also see the mixed toco's listed as beta, gamma & delta tocopherols. I don't care for the "High-Gamma" formulations as these smell funny & make me feel queasy, but I've had no trouble with "Natural E with mixed toco's".

Most stand alone E supps contain 400IU, but 200IU/day is plenty, and this strength is easy to find if you look for it.

The PIVENS trial showed Vitamin-E effective at keeping fatty liver in check, and E has also been shown to slow progression of Alzheimer's disease, which leads me to believe it may also have some prophylactic effect. Moderate / low dose natural E with mixed toco's is a no-brainer in my basic stack, & I've been taking this for well over a decade.

Nice, thanks.

Bought the jarrow Famil-e to give it a go, that a product that should do the trick?

[Dorian Grey]

Jarrow Famil-e is great stuff!  I took this for quite a while myself until I retired and started watching my pennies.  

[Kimer Med]

The studies I'm aware of wrt testosterone and Vit E used the alpha-tocopherol version. Here's a link to an article that summarizes the issue:

 

https://anabolicmen....e-testosterone/

 

However, I've also read that too much alpha-tocopherol can actually be harmful. You really want a balance of all four tocopherols and all four tocotrienols. Out of all of them, gamma-tocopherol actually seems to be the most useful.

 

Finding a good mix that's not too-alpha-heavy can be a bit of a challenge. Personally, I'm currently taking Gamma E by Jarrow for the tocopherols, and TocoMin SupraBio for the tocotrienols.

 

[aribadabar]

I retired and started watching my pennies.  

 

What are your picks for retiree penny-pincher must-haves?

 

Thanks!

[Dorian Grey]

What are your picks for retiree penny-pincher must-haves?

 

Thanks!

 

If experimenting will pardon a little intermission...  

 

SAM-e is very helpful with retirement age arthritis...  https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/15102339

 

I've found the 200mg tabs work as well as the standard 400mg doses for around half the price, & Life Extension gives me a discount when I buy 4 boxes at a time.  

 

CoQ10 falls dramatically with age, so supplementing seems wise.  Ubiquinol is too pricey for me, so Ubiquinone will have to do.  Better than nothing, & again around half the price (of ubiquinol).  

 

Age related iron accumulation makes iron homeostasis a top priority for me to combat "Ferrotoxic Disease".  Jarrow brand IP6 chelates free/labile iron for pennies per day ($10 / 120 caps).  IP6 also has a lot of anti-cancer research behind it which should be important for seniors.  

 

I don't skimp on my probiotic, as I want a viable fresh product.  Culturelle's lactobacillus GG has a lot of good research behind it, and I like lactobacillus as the lactic acid it secretes suppresses gram negative bacteria and their associated endotoxin.  

 

I buy cheap drug store brand B-Complex, C, D & E.  Why pay more for the basics?  

 

And now back to our topic at hand!  

[Kimer Med]

What are your picks for retiree penny-pincher must-haves?

 

Thanks!

 

Depends on your health status and priorities. For those on a budget, I suggest sticking with high-quality supplements, and limiting breadth or range instead. I want the stuff I take to be effective / absorbable, and to not contain micro-toxins.

 

From a general perspective, my must-haves include:

1. A multi-mineral without Calcium or Iron, such as Pic-Mins or Trace Minerals by Thorne.
2. B-complex without folic acid or B-12, such as B-minus by Seeking Health.
3. Sublingual Methyl-B12 by Jarrow.
4. Methylfolate by Jarrow.
5. Vit D3 by Now Foods.
6. Vit K2 by Life Extension.