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Alpha-Ketoglutarate as an Anti-Aging, Anti-Frailty Compound

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Posted 22 July 2020 - 05:05 PM

Does anbody know how much by weight AAKG and OAKG powders consist in AKG alone?

 

About 45% in AAKG according to this source and ~35% [146/(2*132+146)] in OAKG according to this.

 

 

In terms of the arginine content of AAKG, a dose of 1000 mg AAKG contains 544 mg arginine and 450 mg alpha-ketoglutarate (based on the molecular weight of 174.2 g/mol for arginine and 144.1 g/mol for alpha-ketoglutarate)

 

 

 

Ornithine α-ketoglutarate (OKG) is a salt composed of 2 molecules of ornithine (ORN) and one molecule of α-ketoglutarate ( αKG). 

 

The calculation above for OAKG is based on the molecular weight of 132g/mol for Ornithine and 146.1 g/mol for alpha-ketoglutarate.
 

Not sure why first source shows slightly lower MW for AKG than the officially known.


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Posted 22 July 2020 - 05:57 PM

Does anbody know how much by weight AAKG and OAKG powders consist in AKG alone?

 

About 70 % in AAKG according to this source.

 

- AAKG (L-Arginine-Alpha-Ketoglutarate), 1167mg
- Comprising: Alpha Ketoglutarate, 818 mg and L-Arginine, 348 mg

 

Thanks. However, according to my seller:

 

https://www.bulk.com...oglutarate.html: AAKG, is comprised of the amino acid Arginine bound to an Alpha-Ketoglutarate molecule. Specifically, BULK POWDERS™ AAKG is comprised of two Arginine molecules attached to one Alpha-Ketoglutarate molecule. This is superior to many 1:1 forms available.

 

https://www.bulk.com...oglutarate.html: Ornithine Alpha Ketoglutarate is comprised of two molecules of Ornithine bound to one molecule of Alpha Ketoglutarate.

 

So with different sellers one will get different ratios of argining to alpha-ketoglutarate.

 

AKG molar mass is 146.11 g/mol

Arginine is 174.204 g·mol−1

Ornitine is 132.16 g/mol

 

So actually very little AKG from bulk.com/uk

 

 

edit: thanks for the correction, now it does make more sense.

 

 

About 45% in AAKG according to this source and ~35% [146/(2*132+146)] in OAKG according to this.

 


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Posted 22 July 2020 - 06:12 PM

Thanks. However, according to my seller:

 

 

So with different sellers one will get different ratios of argining to alpha-ketoglutarate.

 

AKG molar mass is 146.11 g/mol

Arginine is 174.204 g·mol−1

Ornitine is 132.16 g/mol

 

So actually very little AKG from bulk.com/uk

 

 

edit: thanks for the correction, now it does make more sense.

 

Yes, it looks like some vendors mess around with 2:1 AAKG thus the 70% content from that source. The "typical" is 1:1 for AAKG and 2:1 for OAKG.


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O P E N   A C C E S S   S O U R C E (.PDF) :   MedRXiv

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 
Abstract
 
Manipulations to set back biological age and extend lifespan in animal models are well established, and translation to humans has begun. The length of human life makes it impractical to evaluate results by plotting mortality curves, so surrogate markers of age have been suggested and, at present, the best established surrogates are DNA methylation clocks. Herein we report on a randomized, controlled clinical trial designed to be a first step in evaluating the effect of a diet and lifestyle intervention on biological age. Compared to participants in the control group (n=20), participants in the treatment group tested an average 3.23 years younger at the end of the eight-week program according to the Horvath DNAmAge clock (p=0.018).
 
Those in the treatment group (n=18) tested an average 1.96 years younger at the end of the program compared to the same individuals at the beginning with a strong trend towards significance (p=0.066 for within group change). This is the first such trial to demonstrate a potential reversal of biological age.
 
In this study, the intervention was confined to diet and lifestyle changes previously identified as safe to use. The prescribed program included multiple components with documented mechanistic activity on epigenetic pathways, including moderate exercise, breathing exercises for stress, and a diet rich in methyl donor nutrients and polyphenols.
 
 
1 INTRODUCTION
 
Advanced age is the largest risk factor for impaired mental and physical function and many noncommunicable diseases including cancer, neurodegeneration, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease (Jin et al., 2015; Sen et al., 2016). The growing health-related economic and social challenges of our rapidly aging population are well recognized and affect individuals, their families, health systems and economies. Considering economics alone, using the Future Elderly Model, Goldman showed that delaying aging by 2.2 years (with associated extension of healthspan) could save $7 trillion over fifty years. This broad approach was identified to be a much better investment than disease-specific spending (Goldman, 2017). Thus, if interventions can be identified that extend healthspan even modestly, benefits for public health and healthcare economics will be substantial.
 
DNA methylation is the addition of a methyl group to cytosine residues at selective areas on a chromosome (e.g. CpG islands, shelf/shore, exons, open sea). Methylation constitutes the best-studied, and likely most resilient of many mechanisms controlling gene expression (Li & Zhang, 2014). Unique among epigenetic markers, DNA methylation can readily and cheaply be mapped from tissue samples. Of 20+ million methylation sites on the human genome, there are a few thousand at which methylation levels are tightly correlated with age. Currently, the best biochemical markers of an individual’s age are all based on patterns of methylation (Horvath & Raj, 2018). This has led some researchers to propose that aging itself has its basis in epigenetic changes (including methylation changes) over time (Field et al., 2018; Johnson et al., 2012; Mitteldorf, 2013; Rando & Chang, 2012).
 
As of this writing, the best-studied methylation-based clock is the multi-tissue DNAmAge clock (Horvath, 2013). At the time this study design was approved, there were few viable alternatives. Horvath’s DNAmAge clock predicts all-cause mortality and multiple morbidities better than chronological age. Methylation clocks (including DNAmAge) are based on systematic methylation changes with age, with about 60% of CpG sites losing methylation with age and 40% gaining methylation. This is distinct from stochastic changes, “methylation drift”, unpredictable changes which vary among individuals and cell-by-cell within individuals. Systematic methylation changes include hypermethylation in promotor regions of tumor suppressor genes (inhibiting expression) and hypomethylation promoting inflammatory cytokines (promoting expression). Saliva can be considered a good source of high-quality DNA, containing both white blood cells and buccal cells, and is a suitable tissue type to be assessed for the DNAmAge clock (Horvath, 2013; Langie et al., 2017).
 
The dietary recommendations employed as part of the treatment protocol for this study were based largely on biochemistry and generalized measures of health, because few dietary associations with the DNAmAge clock have yet been established. A modest, but significant, reduction in DNAmAge in individuals consuming a non-specific lean meat, fish and plant-based diet (as measured by blood carotenoids) has been observed (Quach et al., 2017). It is possible that changes of a greater magnitude require a more targeted approach. The dietary intervention used here was also plant-centered, but including a high intake of nutrients that are substrates or cofactors in methylation biosynthetic pathways (e.g. containing folate, betaine), ten-eleven translocation demethylase cofactors and modulators (e.g. alpha ketoglutarate, vitamin C and vitamin A) (Hore, 2017) and polyphenolic modulators of DNA methyl transferases (DNMT) (e.g. curcumin, epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG), rosmarinic acid, quercetin, luteolin). It also included limited nutrient-dense animal proteins (e.g. liver, egg). The diet restricted carbohydrates and included mild intermittent fasting, both designed to lower glycemic cycling. The diet was supplemented daily with a fruit and vegetable powder, also rich in polyphenolic modulators of DNMT activity , and a probiotic providing 40 million CFU of Lactobacillus plantarum 299v. L. plantarum has been shown to be a folate producer in the presence of para aminobenzoic acid (PABA) (Sybesma et al., 2003); it also has been demonstrated to alter gene expression (Hariri et al., 2015).
 
Lifestyle guidance in this study included a minimum of 30 minutes of exercise per day, at least 5 days per week at an intensity of 60-80 percent of maximum perceived exertion. Exercise is well-known to be broadly beneficial for almost every aspect of health and has been shown to extend mean lifespan in animal models. Exploration of the effect of exercise on the methylome has recently begun. For example, regular tai chi practice was associated with slowing of age-related DNA methylation losses in 500 women (Ren et al., 2012). In another study of 647 women, a lifelong history of exercise was associated with a similar endpoint (White et al., 2013). These results were not reported in terms of the Horvath clock, because it had not yet been developed. One systematic review of human studies found that regular, daily physical activity was associated with lower blood levels of homocysteine, which when elevated, suggests an insufficiency of methylation capacity (e Silva & da Mota, 2014). Excessive exercise may accelerate methylation aging, but this danger has only been observed in elite, competitive athletes (Spólnicka et al., 2018).
 
Twice-daily breathing exercises that elicit the Relaxation Response were prescribed for stress reduction. It was recently demonstrated that 60 days of relaxation practice designed to elicit the Relaxation Response, 20 minutes twice per day, could significantly reduce DNAmAge as measured by the Zbieć-Piekarska clock in their group of healthy participants (though not in their ‘patient’ group) (Pavanello et al., 2019). Almost a quarter of the DNAmAge CpG sites (85/353) are located in glucocorticoid response elements, pointing to a likely relationship between stress and accelerated aging. Cumulative lifetime stress has been shown to be associated with accelerated aging of the methylome (Zannas et al., 2015). Zannas et al. also reported that dexamethasone, a glucocorticoid agonist, can advance the DNAmAge clock and induce associated transcriptional changes. Dexamethasone-regulated genes showed enriched association of aging-related diseases, including coronary artery disease, arteriosclerosis and leukemias. Other findings include that PTSD contributes to accelerated methylation age (Wolf et al., 2016); and that greater infant distress (lack of caregiver contact) is associated with an underdeveloped, younger epigenetic age (Moore et al., 2017).
 
This study aimed to optimize sleep, with a recommendation for at least seven hours nightly. Seven hours is generally considered to be healthy (Panel et al., 2015), but the limited data on accelerated aging only relates to extremes of sleep deprivation. A (presumably transient) effect of sleep deprivation on genomewide methylation patterns in blood has been demonstrated (Nilsson et al., 2016). Acceleration of the DNAmAge clock has been associated with insomnia in a sample of 2078 women (Carroll et al., 2017). Carskadon et al (2019) found an association between poor quality / fewer hours of sleep with age acceleration in a small sample of 12 female college students.
 
This multimodal (“systems”) intervention is reflective of a clinically-used approach that combines individual interventions, each of which carry evidence of favorable influence on the DNA methylome and of which several authors of this study have clinical experience of health benefits. Such interventions likely produce synergistic effects and reduce the possibility of negative effects from one diseasepromoting input canceling out the benefits of another health-promoting input. Dietary and lifestyle interventions, as used here, target upstream influences that are generally considered safe, even over the long term.
 
By design, an important endpoint of this study was to be Horvath’s DNAmAge clock, to see if it could be potentially slowed or reversed. This is to say we have tentatively accepted the hypothesis that the methylation pattern from which the DNAmAge clock is computed is a driver of aging (and the chronic diseases of aging), thus we expect that attempting to directly influence the DNA methylome using diet and lifestyle to set back DNAmAge will lead to a healthier, more “youthful” metabolism. To date, one small pilot study (Fahy et al., 2019) has been reported to have set back the DNAmAge clock over the course of 12 months by 1.5 (plus the one-year duration of the study) years in humans, using a combination of growth hormone, metformin, DHEA and two dietary supplements. Herein we report comparable initial results based on diet and lifestyle interventions employed for eight weeks (preceded by a one-week washout period).
 
 
2 RESULTS
 
2.1 Methylation clock setback
 
Compared to participants in the control group (n=20), participants in the treatment group scored an average 3.23 years younger at the end of the eight-week program according to the Horvath DNAmAge clock (p=0.018). Those in the treatment group (n=18) scored an average 1.96 years younger, at the end of the program compared to the same individuals at the beginning with a strong trend towards significance (p=0.066 for within group change). Control participants scored an average of 1.27 years older at the end of the study period, though this within-group increase was not statistically significant (p= 0.153). Comparison of DNAmAge change between treatment and control groups is shown in Figure 1 whereas within group changes for the treatment group are shown in Figure 2.
 
In both treatment and control groups, global average methylation stayed the same over the course of the study, with no net increase or decrease in the 353 sites that compose the Horvath clock.
 
 
3 DISCUSSION
 
3.1 Significance of Results
 
The significance of these findings is multi-factorial, but primarily as the first demonstration of potential reversal of epigenetic age in a randomized, controlled clinical trial, accounting for any normal variability in epigenetic methylation. Secondarily, this is the first report of a diet and lifestyle intervention reducing biologic aging. Notably, the scale of potential reduction, while modest in magnitude, may correlate with meaningful socioeconomic benefits, and appears to have the potential to be broadly achievable.
 
Published in the fall of 2019, the TRIIM study (Fahy et al., 2019) was the first demonstration of a set of interventions setting back the flagship Horvath clock DNAmAge (Horvath, 2013). In TRIIM, a one-year regimen of daily injection of growth hormone plus one prescription drug and three nutritional supplements was shown to set back the DNAmAge clock by 1.5 years in 9 middle-aged men (plus the 1- year study duration = 2.5 years). In the present study, age set-back was achieved in eight weeks, using less expensive, less invasive, and otherwise generally beneficial interventions known to have mechanistic plausibility for affecting methylation pathways.
 
 
3.2 Targeting Epigenetics with Diet
 
The seminal work of Waterland and Jirtle (Waterland & Jirtle, 2003) in the Agouti mouse model marked a defining point in our understanding that nutrition elements could so affect DNA methylation marks as to silence gene expression and dramatically alter phenotype. The power of nutrition to bring about transformative phenotypic changes has held up over the intervening years, most strongly in animal studies, but also in some limited human trials (Waterland & Jirtle, 2003). Both TRIIM and the present study were able to effect changes on the DNA methylome without extra-dietary supplementation of known methyl donor nutrients (e.g., folate, vitamin B12, choline, SAMe or betaine) Illustrating a farreaching regulatory network on DNA methylation and representing a departure from previous studies that manipulated DNA methylation more directly with extra-dietary supplemental folate, B12 and other methyl donor nutrients (Pauwels et al., 2017; Sae-Lee et al., 2018; Waterland & Jirtle, 2003; Zhong et al., 2017).
 
 
3.3 Rationale for Not Using Supplemental Methyl Donor Nutrients
 
In designing the present study, extra-dietary supplementation of methyl donor nutrients was specifically avoided because a growing body of epidemiological evidence indicates potential long-term risks, to which the short-term studies were not sensitive. Although overall data are mixed, and certain conditions (e.g. pregnancy, macrocytic anemia, hyperhomocysteinemia, dietary limitations) often require extra-dietary supplementation, several trials have found a positive association between methyl donor supplementation and increased cancer risk: Published long-term follow up on 2,524 participants in the B-PROOF trial which assessed the effect of 2-3 years of daily supplementation with 400 mcg folic acid and 500 mcg vitamin B12 found an increased risk of overall cancer (HR 1.25, 95% CI 1.00-1.53), p=0.05) and colorectal cancer in particular (HR 1.77, 95% CI 1.08-2.90, p=0.02) (Oliai Araghi et al., 2019). A metaanalysis of 2 trials in Norway similarly reported that 800 mcg folic acid plus 400 mg vitamin B12 daily was associated with increased cancer outcomes and all-cause mortality (Ebbing et al., 2009). In contrast, dietary folate intake from food was found to be inversely associated with non-muscle-invasive bladder cancer progression in a study that also found higher recurrence for folic acid intake (Tu et al., 2018), and baseline dietary folate intake was inversely associated with prostate cancer risk in a trial that subsequently identified an increased risk of prostate cancer in the treatment arm that received 1 mg folic acid per day for 10 years (Figueiredo et al., 2009). Also relevant is the demonstration, albeit in a small study, adding dietary supplements of folic acid, vitamin B6 and vitamin B12 to a vitamin D plus calcium intervention increased biological aging (sex-adjusted odds ratio 5.26 vs vitamin D plus calcium alone) during a 1-year intervention (Obeid et al., 2018).
 
 
3.5 Polyphenols as Selective DNA Modulators
 
The DNAmAge clock is computed from some sites that increase and others that decrease methylation with age, so a net methylation increase would not necessarily be beneficial. Since this study targeted a healthy methylation pattern, not limited to increased methylation, the prescribed diet was rich in TET demethylase-associated nutrients (Hore, 2017) and specific plant polyphenols known to selectively regulate DNMT activity in addition to food-sourced methyl donors. It may be that these compounds assist in elevating methylation substrate and cofactor support from a risky ‘blunt instrument’ to ‘precision surgery’ on the DNA methylome by regulating where methyl groups are applied and removed.

 


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Posted 15 August 2020 - 12:15 AM

The issue with AKG in humans is that it is cleared fairly quickly.  (I'm interpolating here, but my guess that is why the Deanna protocol has, to my understanding, ALS patients taking AKG hourly.) 

 

So one is left with the problem of being like a mouse, i.e. putting it in your water and drinking it throughout the day or concocting some method of delaying release or buying Rejuvant. (for greatest effect.)

 

I'm going to try with the water method.

 

My sources tell me that they are expecting them to release a study in a major journal next month.


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Posted 15 August 2020 - 04:50 AM

I ve tried to dissolve pure acid in the guar gum to achieve a time release effect(guar gum forms gelatinous structure). But pure acid is super acidic, it didn't workout well as my esophagus became irritated with it.

So far I am also sticking with AAKG dosed throughout the day + some pinches of pure AKG in water.

 

Another option is to buy CaAKG from China as Rejuvant uses and dissolve it with Guar gum. Paying exorbitant price that Rejuvant wants is not an option for me)


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Posted 18 August 2020 - 12:25 AM

Alpha-ketoglutarate for adipose tissue rejuvenation

 

https://paperchase-a...t2wA3CKF39u.pdf


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Posted 18 August 2020 - 06:59 AM

Alpha-ketoglutarate for adipose tissue rejuvenation

 

https://paperchase-a...t2wA3CKF39u.pdf

 

Thank you for sharing. The ref. 5 from the same team is a very good read!

Tian Q, et al. Aging Cell. 2019; e13059. https://doi.org/10.1111/acel.13059
 


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Posted 21 August 2020 - 01:23 PM

Great talk today at EARD 2020 organized by Lifespan.io by Prof. Brian Kennedy. Check out what he is doing in Singapore on AKG and Spermidine and biomarkers of aging. He is great and his approach to target aging directly for healthspan is right on spot!



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Posted 22 August 2020 - 12:30 PM

Great talk today at EARD 2020 organized by Lifespan.io by Prof. Brian Kennedy. Check out what he is doing in Singapore on AKG and Spermidine and biomarkers of aging. He is great and his approach to target aging directly for healthspan is right on spot!

 

Can you elaborate on it, please?

Recording is behind a paywall.



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Posted 22 August 2020 - 04:00 PM

Can you elaborate on it, please?

Recording is behind a paywall.

Kennedy's talk was free for those who registered to the Day 1 and 2 of the conference (Day 1 featured Aubrey).

I only wished to point here to his work on AKG and details are being published (he has showing some of the chart in the paper I link below):

https://www.biorxiv....0.1101/779157v1

https://www.nutraing...p-resist-aging#

https://www.fightagi...-age-in-humans/

I will look if I can find a recording if that will be made available.

 

 


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#42 geo12the

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Anyone supplementing with Alpha-Ketoglutarate? Seems like it could be promising based on this study:

 

Cell metabolism
VOLUME 32, ISSUE 3, P447-456.E6, SEPTEMBER 01, 2020
 
Alpha-Ketoglutarate, an Endogenous Metabolite, Extends Lifespan and Compresses Morbidity in Aging Mice
 
Azar Asadi Shahmirzadi
Daniel Edgar
Chen-Yu Liao
Rebeccah R. Riley
Brian K. Kennedy 6
Gordon J. Lithgow
 

 

Summary
Metabolism and aging are tightly connected. Alpha-ketoglutarate is a key metabolite in the tricarboxylic acid (TCA) cycle, and its levels change upon fasting, exercise, and aging. Here, we investigate the effect of alpha-ketoglutarate (delivered in the form of a calcium salt, CaAKG) on healthspan and lifespan in C57BL/6 mice. To probe the relationship between healthspan and lifespan extension in mammals, we performed a series of longitudinal, clinically relevant measurements. We find that CaAKG promotes a longer, healthier life associated with a decrease in levels of systemic inflammatory cytokines. We propose that induction of IL-10 by dietary AKG suppresses chronic inflammation, leading to health benefits. By simultaneously reducing frailty and enhancing longevity, AKG, at least in the murine model, results in a compression of morbidity.
 

 

https://www.cell.com...74?showall=true



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Posted 02 September 2020 - 12:36 PM

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S O U R C E :   ScienceMag

 

P A Y W A L L E D   P R I M A L    S O U R C E :   Cell Metabolism   (Alpha-Ketoglutarate, an Endogenous Metabolite, Extends Lifespan and Compresses Morbidity in Aging Mice)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Female mice that ate alpha-ketoglutarate (left) next to control mice. A. A. SHAHMIRZADI ET. AL., CELL METABOLISM (2020) 10.1016
 
 
A dietary supplement bodybuilders use to bulk up may have a more sweeping health benefit: Staving off the ravages of old age. Mice given the substance—alpha-ketoglutarate(AKG)—were healthier as they aged, and females lived longer than mice not on the supplement.
 
Other compounds, like the antiaging drug rapamycin and the diabetes treatment metformin, have shown similar effects in mouse experiments. But AKG is naturally made by mice and by our own bodies, and it is already considered safe to consume by regulators.
 
“The big thing about this is that its safety profile is so good,” says University of North Dakota aging researcher Holly Brown-Borg, who was not involved with the study. “It has potential and should be explored further, for sure.”
 
AKG is part of the metabolic cycle that our cells use to make energy from food. In addition to its use by bodybuilders, doctors sometimes treat osteoporosis and kidney disease with the supplement.
 
The molecule grabbed attention as a possible antiaging treatment in 2014, when researchers reported AKG could extend life span by more than 50% in tiny Caenorhabditis elegans worms. That’s on par with a low-calorie diet, which has been shown to promote healthy aging, but is hard for most people to stick with. Other groups later showed life span improvements from AKG in fruit flies.
 
In the new study, Gordon Lithgow and Brian Kennedy of the Buck Institute for Research on Aging and colleagues turned to mammals. They gave groups of 18-month-old mice (about age 55 in human years) the equivalent of 2% of their daily chow as AKG until they died, or for up to 21 months. AKG levels in blood gradually drop with age, and the scientists’ aim was to restore levels to those seen in young animals.
 
Some differences jumped out within a few months: “They looked much blacker, shinier, and younger” than control mice, says Azar Asadi Shahmirzadi, a postdoc at the Buck Institute who did the experiments as a graduate student. In addition, the AKG-fed mice scored an average of more than 40% better on tests of “frailty,” as measured by 31 physiological attributes including hair color, hearing, walking gait, and grip strength. And female mice lived a median of 8% to 20% longer after AKG treatment began than control mice, the group reports today in Cell Metabolism.
 
The AKG-eating mice did not perform better on tests of heart function or treadmill endurance, however, and the tests did not include cognitive performance.
 
 
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Probing the mechanism for these improvements, the researchers found that female mice receiving AKG produced higher levels of a molecule that tamps down on inflammation. Chronic inflammation can spur many diseases of aging such as cancer, heart disease, arthritis, and dementia.
 
The effects on life span and health were smaller for AKG than for some other antiaging compounds, notes aging researcher Matt Kaeberlein of the University of Washington, Seattle, who was not involved with the work. But some of those compounds have run into safety issues—for example, rapamycin suppresses the immune system and may promote diabetes.
 

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Posted 02 September 2020 - 01:40 PM

I normally take acetyl carnitine / alpha lipoic acid / ampk (LEF) before working out.   Maybe there is some all in one combo that includes this. I see a few sellers on Amazon using it with nitric oxide, but no brand I recognize



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Posted 03 September 2020 - 02:23 AM

Does anyone know the HED on the mouse study at the Buck Institute or better yet what dose/s Lithgow plans to run in the human study?

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Posted 04 September 2020 - 11:02 PM

Does anyone know the HED on the mouse study at the Buck Institute


The animals were given 2% CaAKG (w/w) AKG. Based on the food intake and body weight data they carefully and sensibly collected to rule out crypto-CR (a flaw in many lifespan studies), the animals were eating about 5.7 g food (Fig. 1(K)), so 114 mg AKG, and weighed about 40 g (Figs 1 (G-I).

 

Allometric scaling is better than HED for estimating effective doses (HED is more focused on safety, and doesn't factor in the weights of the actual animals in a study), and we would use the 3/4 power (because it's metabolized, and not just excreted); that yields a human dose of approximately ≈30,845 mg AKG for a 70 kg human.

 

Based on approximately 2850 mg/kg  as per the above (if I try to get super-pseudo precise about eyeballing the graph, it's 2862.3 mg/kg (no those are not significant figures!)), HED would yield  approximately ≈16,176 mg AKG for a 70 kg human.

 

or better yet what dose/s Lithgow plans to run in the human study?

 

I suspect that the calculated dose is a better guide than what's being used in the studies.In any case, PDL Health's sponsored study at Indiana U is presumably just using the regular dose of Rejuvant (1 g /d); people in Kennedy's National University of Singapore study is administering two doses of straight Ca-AKG per day, but I don't know the dose.


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Posted 05 September 2020 - 11:10 AM

54/5000
 
 
 
How much of Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate supplements are AKG ?
54/5000
 
 
 
How much of Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate supplements White?


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Posted 05 September 2020 - 02:13 PM

The animals were given 2% CaAKG (w/w) AKG. Based on the food intake and body weight data they carefully and sensibly collected to rule out crypto-CR (a flaw in many lifespan studies), the animals were eating about 5.7 g food (Fig. 1(K)), so 114 mg AKG, and weighed about 40 g (Figs 1 (G-I).

Allometric scaling is better than HED for estimating effective doses (HED is more focused on safety, and doesn't factor in the weights of the actual animals in a study), and we would use the 3/4 power (because it's metabolized, and not just excreted); that yields a human dose of approximately ≈30,845 mg AKG for a 70 kg human.

Based on approximately 2850 mg/kg as per the above (if I try to get super-pseudo precise about eyeballing the graph, it's 2862.3 mg/kg (no those are not significant figures!)), HED would yield approximately ≈16,176 mg AKG for a 70 kg human.


I suspect that the calculated dose is a better guide than what's being used in the studies.In any case, PDL Health's sponsored study at Indiana U is presumably just using the regular dose of Rejuvant (1 g /d); people in Kennedy's National University of Singapore study is administering two doses of straight Ca-AKG per day, but I don't know the dose.

Thanks for crunching the numbers Michael. That’s a huge dose. Hopefully, humans will get most of the positive effects at lower doses.
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Posted 06 September 2020 - 11:41 PM

 
How much of Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate supplements are AKG ?
 

 

 

See post #31.


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Posted 07 September 2020 - 04:43 PM

Does anbody know how much by weight AAKG and OAKG powders consist in AKG alone?

 

 

You mean how much AKG is in AAKG and/or OAKG powders, don't you?.



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Does anyone know why they chose CaAKG ratter than the much more commonly available AAKG?  Obviously one is bound to an amino acid vs a mineral, but did that make a difference as to absorption or efficacy in the study? 

 

I've found nothing about this and everyone seems to be treating AAKG as a stand in for CaAKG. Is it really that simple?

 

Also CaAKG is significantly more expensive (I can only find one CaAKG vendor, for example, on Amazon) than AAKG.

 

 


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 08:09 AM

Here is an explanation about "Rejuvant" - https://rejuvantvip....kg-supplements/

 

My guess is they made a special mix so that they can patent it and make a shitload of money, but who knows. Im trying the dirt cheap AAKG for now to see if it does anything (at a dose of 1-2 grams/day)


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Posted 08 September 2020 - 04:02 PM

Does anyone know why they chose CaAKG ratter than the much more commonly available AAKG? Obviously one is bound to an amino acid vs a mineral, but did that make a difference as to absorption or efficacy in the study?

I've found nothing about this and everyone seems to be treating AAKG as a stand in for CaAKG. Is it really that simple?

Also CaAKG is significantly more expensive (I can only find one CaAKG vendor, for example, on Amazon) than AAKG.


Some studies were done with Ca-AKG and others with just AKG. Calcium, depending on its form, is not particularly well-known for being easily absorbed, but who knows when you start compounding it with things?

They do make just plain AKG without arginine: https://www.amazon.c...99582180&sr=8-8

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Posted 14 September 2020 - 06:31 PM

Some studies were done with Ca-AKG and others with just AKG. Calcium, depending on its form, is not particularly well-known for being easily absorbed, but who knows when you start compounding it with things?

They do make just plain AKG without arginine: [from SimpleSea]

 
There's no such thing as 'plain AKG:' it's an anion, and has to be bound to (or in solution with) something. When an abstract doesn't say so, the full paper typically will (and shame on the reviewers if it doesn't).
 
The product you highlight is a liquid, and says it's "alpha-ketoglutaric acid:" if that's literally true, then it's H-AKG solution (like H2SO4 for sulfuric acid).
 
For all who are interested: the full text is now available on ResearchGate.


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Posted 14 September 2020 - 06:55 PM

That still leaves the question, are all these AKG forms similar? Or is there something special about CA-AKG for longevity?

 

LOL I could be getting younger already taking some AAKG I have, or do me and my mice need CA-AKG?



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Posted 15 September 2020 - 08:16 AM

Kennedy's talk was free for those who registered to the Day 1 and 2 of the conference (Day 1 featured Aubrey).

I only wished to point here to his work on AKG and details are being published (he has showing some of the chart in the paper I link below):

https://www.biorxiv....0.1101/779157v1

https://www.nutraing...p-resist-aging#

https://www.fightagi...-age-in-humans/

I will look if I can find a recording if that will be made available.

 


 


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#57 Michael

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Posted 15 September 2020 - 04:00 PM

Thanks for crunching the numbers Michael. That’s a huge dose. Hopefully, humans will get most of the positive effects at lower doses.

 
The effects are sufficiently modest, and the difference between 17-31 g vs. 1 g (or 300 mg) are so large, that I'm skeptical of that, even if you assume it translates to humans at all.
 

Here is an explanation about "Rejuvant" - https://rejuvantvip....kg-supplements/
 
My guess is they made a special mix so that they can patent it and make a shitload of money, but who knows. Im trying the dirt cheap AAKG for now to see if it does anything (at a dose of 1-2 grams/day)

 
No: Kennedy has tested numerous such combinations, and these are the most promising ones by gender. Some of this is in a patent application, and some is in a paper in preparation (see his EADD talk).
 

Does anyone know why they chose CaAKG ratter than the much more commonly available AAKG? ...  Or is there something special about CA-AKG for longevity?


That level of supplemental arginine dosing is bad for you, no matter what it's bound to, as it causes vascular dysfunction and impairs homocysteine metabolism (1-5); additionally, although one shouldn't take case reports too seriously and although the effects associated with AAKG in (6) have not been reported in any of the several AAKG trials AFAIK, there is a case report of three patients presenting to the ER with palpitations, syncope, and other symptoms while  taking AAKG (6), and another who took it while undergoing LASIK and subsequently developed subconjunctival hemorrhages, abnormal dilatation of the blood vessels around his cornea, and corneal infiltrates.(7)

References
1: Tsai CH, Pan TL, Lee YS, Tai YK, Liu TZ. Evidence that high-dose L-arginine may be inappropriate for use by diabetic patients as a prophylactic blocker of methylglyoxal glycation. J Biomed Sci. 2004 Sep-Oct;11(5):692-6. PubMed PMID: 15316145.

2: Loscalzo J. Homocysteine trials--clear outcomes for complex reasons. N Engl J Med. 2006 Apr 13;354(15):1629-32. Epub 2006 Mar 12. PubMed PMID: 16531615.

3: Jahangir E, Vita JA, Handy D, Holbrook M, Palmisano J, Beal R, Loscalzo J, Eberhardt RT. The effect of L-arginine and creatine on vascular function and homocysteine metabolism. Vasc Med. 2009 Aug;14(3):239-48. PubMed PMID: 19651674; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC2840406.

4: Wilson AM, Harada R, Nair N, Balasubramanian N, Cooke JP. L-arginine supplementation in peripheral arterial disease: no benefit and possible harm. Circulation. 2007 Jul 10;116(2):188-95. doi: 10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.106.683656. Epub 2007 Jun 25. PMID: 17592080 Clinical Trial.

5: Cosentino F, Hürlimann D, Delli Gatti C, Chenevard R, Blau N, Alp NJ, Channon KM, Eto M, Lerch P, Enseleit F, Ruschitzka F, Volpe M, Lüscher TF, Noll G. Chronic treatment with tetrahydrobiopterin reverses endothelial dysfunction and oxidative stress in hypercholesterolaemia. Heart. 2008 Apr;94(4):487-92. Epub 2007 Oct 4. PubMed PMID: 17916662.

 

6: Prosser JM, Majlesi N, Chan GM, Olsen D, Hoffman RS, Nelson LS. Adverse effects associated with arginine alpha-ketoglutarate containing supplements. Hum Exp Toxicol. 2009;28(5):259-262. doi:10.1177/0960327109104498

 

7: Randhawa S, Abowd M, Sharma A, Weiss JS. Anterior segment complications of a nutritional supplement. J Cataract Refract Surg. 2007;33(5):918-920. doi:10.1016/j.jcrs.2007.01.022


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Posted 16 September 2020 - 01:40 PM

Dr. Kennedy’s US patent application can be found here. I have not read the whole thing, but it should have information about amounts.

The application has not been examined yet. It is interesting that the original claims call for a formulation comprising berberine, vitamin A, and AKG.

 


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 09:55 PM

 

Does anyone know why they chose CaAKG ratter than the much more commonly available AAKG? ... Or is there something special about CA-AKG for longevity?


That level of supplemental arginine dosing is bad for you, no matter what it's bound to, as it causes vascular dysfunction and impairs homocysteine metabolism (1-5); additionally, although one shouldn't take case reports too seriously and although the effects associated with AAKG in (6) have not been reported in any of the several AAKG trials AFAIK, there is a case report of three patients presenting to the ER with palpitations, syncope, and other symptoms while taking AAKG (6), and another who took it while undergoing LASIK and subsequently developed subconjunctival hemorrhages, abnormal dilatation of the blood vessels around his cornea, and corneal infiltrates.(7)

Additionally, Brian Kennedy has offered an opinion on AAKG & OKG:

 

 

“The problem is that most of the human studies don’t look specifically at alpha ketoglutarate, and I’m not a big fan of throwing a bunch of amino acids in for aging,” he says. “When you link AKG to an amino acid, I don’t know what kind of effects you’re going to have on aging.”

 


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Posted 17 September 2020 - 11:57 PM

One vendor's Ca-AKG states, "Calcium Alpha-Ketoglutarate helps restore calcium concentration levels in the blood back to normal. It binds excess phosphate and passes it as waste, re-establishing a normal balance of calcium and phosphate in the body."

 

Is this important to its longevity potential? Unknown, but it is a clear differentiator from AAKG. And it has broad systemic effect son biological function.

 

"Of the two molecules, precise regulation of extracellular calcium concentrations is vastly more important as calcium levels are critical for proper nerve conduction, muscle contraction, and blood clotting. Consequently, in a normal individual blood calcium ranges only a few percent from its average value and large shifts can result in the clinical syndromes of hypercalcemia and hypocalcemia."

 

http://www.pathwayme...osphate-Balance

 

"Several organ systems can be impacted by derangements of calcium homeostasis. Among its many functions, calcium plays a key role in cardiac pacemaking, muscle contraction, neuronal function, vascular tone, and hemostasis. Derangements in calcium homeostasis can cause both acute findings related to changes in serum ionized calcium levels as well as chronic findings related to prolonged calcium imbalances"

 

https://www.cancerth...-hypercalcemia/


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