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[Lady4T]

I was wondering if we could discuss strategies to avoid or get rid of drooping jowls.

Please share your knowledge, opinions, tips, etc. However, I'd like to exclude plastic surgery. Aside from that, I'd be interested in learning about various methods (supplements, exercises, topicals, injectables, etc.). 

What has worked for you? What has not?

Edited by Lady4T, 11 December 2019 - 04:07 AM.

[Rays]

This may be of interest: "Topical Rapamycin Evaluated as a Treatment for Skin Aging"

https://www.fightagi...for-skin-aging/

 

The original study notes:

"collagen VII protein was strongly increased"

"decrease in fine wrinkles, an increase in dermal volume"

 

https://doi.org/10.1...357-019-00113-y

https://link.springe...357-019-00113-y

 

[Mind]

Calorie restriction might help to a small degree. It will improve your health in other ways as well.

[MidwestGreg]

Red light therapy looks promising. Look at the before and after photographs of the woman in Figure 3 in the study  "Controlled Trial to Determine the Efficacy
of Red and Near-Infrared Light Treatment in Patient Satisfaction, Reduction of Fine Lines, Wrinkles, Skin Roughness, and Intradermal Collagen Density Increase"

 

​Quite remarkable results. I would definitely try this before having any invasive procedures performed.

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​Here is the link:

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https://www.ncbi.nlm...76/#!po=46.5517

[Lady4T]

Hard to believe that no one on this forum is concerned about jowls and tried to do something about them...

I know you're out there.  What have you tried? 

Edited by Lady4T, 02 March 2020 - 09:58 AM.

[granmasutensil]

Hard to believe that no one on this forum is concerned about jowls and tried to do something about them...

I know you're out there.  What have you tried? 

 

Fine here is your gold mine. Micro needling would likely give some of the best results. Like with the derminator 2 from owndoc. I would not suggest a roller those are a nightmare. One would need to do deeper treatments something like 1.5mm and quite heavy duty treatments. Then wait 6-8 weeks before doing another, it takes that long for the matrix of the skin to fully regenerate, some is done around 2-3 weeks but you'll get full results later when the damage is fully repaired. I've noticed great results from doing this. Also TCA peels are good, it induces collogen production for about 9 months after a treatment. So once or twice a year you could do that. Fibroblast pens are also good for tightening it seems I haven't tried it yet but will likely get one sometime this year. They look especially effective at regenerative the eye area which is harder with the derminator given it's such a delicate area.

Here is an example of a fibroblast pen. You might also want to consider making a serum with the following actives from lotioncrafter to put on after needling and for twice daily use. These are what I found most effective/best in class and synergistic all performing different functions after going over all the data sheets. You have to email lotioncrafter for the data sheets now before they had them posted for each product. This is just from my rough notes, keep in mind there are 10+ forms of collagen, certain actives increase certain groups of collagen. I would also add 3% Centrophenoxine and 4% niacin along with a preservative. You just add all this to some RO water that's it. Quite easy. Can optionally add a gelling/slip agent like siligel which makes it very nice. Million times better than anything you can buy in the store which may have 1 of these actives for 60+ USD or 2 at most. Hope this helps lots of research went into this lol.

 

-Syn®-Tacks (increase other types of collegen, increase dermal cohesion) 1% usage
-Reproage (activate progenitor cells, skin acts young, faster turnover) 2% usage
-Cellynkage (increase cell communication) 2% usage 0
-UplevityTM Solution (elastin, cohesion, firmness) 2% usage
-Regu-Science (autophagy, prevent UV damage) 3% usage
-Relistase (preserve/boost elastin, cohesion) 4% usage
-Trylagen PCB (increase collegen, organize formation...) 1-5% usage 9
-NaturePep® Sacha Inchi (tighten, decrease tissue gaps, FOXO3 gene) 1-5% usage
-DECORINYL (regulate uniformity in colligen elastin cohesion, supple skin) 5% usage
 

https://lotioncrafter.com/

 

Here is a good red light and near infared light combo that you can do whole face and neck at once instead of having to hold some device for 15 minutes over 6-8 areas and is 300 USD, this you put in a light socket and costs around 40.

 

https://www.amazon.c...1?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

https://www.ebay.com...4ffed58fe|iid:1

Edited by granmasutensil, 03 March 2020 - 01:20 AM.

[JR7]

 

-Syn®-Tacks (increase other types of collegen, increase dermal cohesion) 1% usage
-Reproage (activate progenitor cells, skin acts young, faster turnover) 2% usage
-Cellynkage (increase cell communication) 2% usage 0
-UplevityTM Solution (elastin, cohesion, firmness) 2% usage
-Regu-Science (autophagy, prevent UV damage) 3% usage
-Relistase (preserve/boost elastin, cohesion) 4% usage
-Trylagen PCB (increase collegen, organize formation...) 1-5% usage 9
-NaturePep® Sacha Inchi (tighten, decrease tissue gaps, FOXO3 gene) 1-5% usage
-DECORINYL (regulate uniformity in colligen elastin cohesion, supple skin) 5% usage
 

https://lotioncrafter.com/

 

 

Thank you for this list! Would you mind going over in a little more detail exactly how we obtain a serum with the aforementioned ingredients? 

 

Edit: So, after looking at the site a bit more, I see you can order each ingredient individually. With that said, there are numerous cautions about not applying directly to skin. I suppose my original question should be phrased: what exactly are the steps to combine these into a safe serum? 

Thank you again =) 

Edited by JR7, 03 March 2020 - 02:34 AM.

[granmasutensil]

Thank you for this list! Would you mind going over in a little more detail exactly how we obtain a serum with the aforementioned ingredients? 

 

There are calculators on their website that makes it easy if you want to do your own thing. Easy way what I do is, get a mg scale, put a small plastic measuring medicine cup you get from a pharmacy for free on it and squirt out the amount from each bottle of active, they come in nice small little eye dropper bottles that make it easy to dose out amounts. For example you are making an ounce of serum, 1% of an active is 300mg, so you squirt out 300mg per each 1% of active as needed, same for the liquid preservative. Then dump in a 1 ounce glass dropper bottle which are easy to get.  Adding a powder like the Centrophenoxine and siligel you'd measure out in a dry cup and dump it in the bottle next then since it's a dry ingredient. Dumping it ontop of some liquid already in the bottle will prevent it from being a wet hard solid mass at the bottom if you add powder then liquid. Same thing 300mg=1% for a 1 ounce total amount of serum. Lastly add the remainder which is RO water(you could substitute it for thayers rose/lavander alcohol free witch hazel if you want, makes it smell nice too but I'd add some not fully sub out the water otherwise smell may be too strong).  I highly recommend their mini mixer, it's so small you can fit it inside the actual dropper bottle and mix it in there. Takes about 24 hours for siligel to fully set, it's very nice silky silicone feel yet without any silicone it's just modified xanthan gum. It's quite easy and simple and only takes a few moments to make. It takes more time to gather everything and sanitize the cup and dropper bottle with rubbing alcohol and let it dry than to actually make it. I personally don't use water as the base anymore but solely Neurophroline Serum given it's amazing benefits and it's so hard to find and because I don't want to apply 50 million skincare products. Because of the thickners already in the neurophroline serum there is no need to add any more like the siligel. I use this all over the face and neck so it's also used as an eye serum. You don't need to refrigerate it given the preservatives but I do anyways, why risk anything and it feels nice cold.

 

https://www.victoria...ine-Serum/13309

Edited by granmasutensil, 03 March 2020 - 02:52 AM.

[JR7]

I personally don't use water as the base anymore but solely Neurophroline Serum given it's amazing benefits and it's so hard to find and because I don't want to apply 50 million skincare products.

 

Thank you for the step-by-step. This is a goldmine for folks like me who have never gone the DIY skincare route. Regarding the Neurophroline Serum, this takes the place of water? If so, 1 ounce of this would be your base and the rest of the calculations would be on this? For example, if Im looking at DECORINYL (regulate uniformity in colligen elastin cohesion, supple skin) 5% usage from your ingredient list, I would add 1.4 grams of DECORINYL to the full ounce of the Neurophroline Serum, then mix using the mixer? 

 

Edit: Also, what do you mix the products in and what do you store the final product in? 

Edited by JR7, 03 March 2020 - 04:14 PM.

[granmasutensil]

Thank you for the step-by-step. This is a goldmine for folks like me who have never gone the DIY skincare route. Regarding the Neurophroline Serum, this takes the place of water? If so, 1 ounce of this would be your base and the rest of the calculations would be on this? For example, if Im looking at DECORINYL (regulate uniformity in colligen elastin cohesion, supple skin) 5% usage from your ingredient list, I would add 1.4 grams of DECORINYL to the full ounce of the Neurophroline Serum, then mix using the mixer? 

 

Edit: Also, what do you mix the products in and what do you store the final product in? 

 

No problem. Ya diy can be great for this sort of thing since nowadays we can buy the actives ourselves and not get scammed. However I don't think diy can ever come close to a professionally formulated cleanser or moisturizer for example. Yes I use the serum instead of water as the base. No both the serum and water is used in the same way, to bring the total amount to an ounce, think of it like filler. If making 1 ounce, 1% of one ounce=300mg so 5% decorinyl is 1500mg  300mgx5, 1500mg=1.5g, a mg scale will be in mg. 1ml water=1000mg=1g for reference, an ounce is 30ml. Like I said I buy a glass eye dropper bottle 1 ounce and dump everything in it and use the mini mixer in the dropper bottle to mix it. The dropper bottle is used to dispense the serum... They have a calculator you can plug the total percentage of additives you are using to give the amount of base/filler(water or serum). Or you can just eye ball and fill up the rest of the dropper with water or serum, it's going to be extremely close anyways and it's not rocket science being over and exact 30ml/one ounce or slightly under isn't going to matter much.

[JR7]

No problem. Ya diy can be great for this sort of thing since nowadays we can buy the actives ourselves and not get scammed. However I don't think diy can ever come close to a professionally formulated cleanser or moisturizer for example. Yes I use the serum instead of water as the base. No both the serum and water is used in the same way, to bring the total amount to an ounce, think of it like filler. If making 1 ounce, 1% of one ounce=300mg so 5% decorinyl is 1500mg  300mgx5, 1500mg=1.5g, a mg scale will be in mg. 1ml water=1000mg=1g for reference, an ounce is 30ml. Like I said I buy a glass eye dropper bottle 1 ounce and dump everything in it and use the mini mixer in the dropper bottle to mix it. The dropper bottle is used to dispense the serum... They have a calculator you can plug the total percentage of additives you are using to give the amount of base/filler(water or serum). Or you can just eye ball and fill up the rest of the dropper with water or serum, it's going to be extremely close anyways and it's not rocket science being over and exact 30ml/one ounce or slightly under isn't going to matter much.

Got it. Thank you again!