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#871 Mind

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Posted 02 December 2020 - 07:13 PM

What's more likely: to think that 300k excess deaths and overloaded hospitals is mostly caused by mass hysteria or that mutations caused the coronavirus to become much more contagious? I haven't seen any evidence for the former idea but there's plenty of evidence starting to emerge for the latter.

 

Study: New Mutation Sped Up Spread of Coronavirus
https://www.webmd.co...elerates-spread

 

I did NOT say "mostly".

 

I am amazed at how many people are so well aware of the placebo effect, but refuse to acknowledge the effects of mass hysteria.


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Posted 02 December 2020 - 07:33 PM

Study: New Mutation Sped Up Spread of Coronavirus

https://www.webmd.co...elerates-spread

 

That isn't particularly surprising or even alarming.

 

For any virus, particularly rapidly changing viruses such as RNA viruses like covid, the tendency is for the virus to become more efficient at spreading and less deadly.

 

You'll always have multiple strains out in the wild, particularly with an RNA virus which has a high rate of error when it replicates (DNA viruses like smallpox are much more stable and slower to mutate).  The strains that are more efficient spreaders will of course be selected for and will propagate more quickly (really by definition).

 

Also, the strains that make people less sick and less dead tend to be the strains that propagate better.  If you're home very sick in bed or if you're in the morgue, you don't get to mingle around in the population and spread the virus around. So the tendency over time for viruses to become less deadly has been seen in many pandemics, with one notable exception - the 1918 pandemic.  Due to what was happening with WWI the normal trend was reversed. Soldiers that got a milder strain tended to stay at their post at the front lines. Soldiers that got the more devastating strain were sent to hospitals in the rear where they got to preferentially spread the virus.

 

It was even observed that smallpox appeared to be getting less deadly - but over the timescale of centuries.  DNA viruses get to use the host cell's error correction mechanisms when they replicate so their error rate is a small fraction of what you see in an RNA virus which does not.  So the general rule was happening in smallpox but in very slow motion. 


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Posted 02 December 2020 - 08:44 PM

Time to come back to the origin story, which I have brought up several times in this thread.

 

The DailyMail has accumulated some of the testing that has been done. https://www.dailymai...s-December.html

 

In addition to other studies showing COVID-like disease outbreaks were ongoing well before China in late December of 2019, all of the testing results indicate this particular virus was circulating around the world months, maybe longer, before Wuhan.

 

I still can't figure out how this "super-deadly" "highly-contagious" virus was circulating around the world for so long, without anyone noticing. It seems, health agencies were probably chalking it up to a "bad-flu" before the CCP ratcheted up the hysteria.

 

It still looks to me like there is a mass hysteria component (not the be-all-end-all, just a component). Once the communist Chinese went into a super-scary lockdown, it set in motion a world-wide hysteria. Mass hysteria is a real thing, well studied, and it causes significant negative health effects. In addition, the hysteria caused a significant disruption in medical treatment for the most vulnerable people in the population.

 

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that perhaps there was one minor mutation in the virus in late 2019 that made it more deadly. I am not completely sold on that, but I thought I should throw it out there. I haven't seen any conclusive analysis of different variations in the virus vs. lethality vs. timing vs. location....only speculation

 

Anyone else want to take a stab at how SARS-COV-2 spread around the world for months and months with nobody noticing, then BAM, it becomes the "worst thing ever".

 

The virus's association with Wuhan is most likely what caused the panic.  Though scientists denied from the start it may have been a gain of function lab escape from the Wuhan biolab, I'm afraid deep in their gut they thought this is what must have happened.  This also explains the dramatic containment effort in China, as they knew gain of function research on coronavirus was going on in the lab at the time.  

 

Let's call it the Hollywood Effect...  Mother Nature hasn't released any major/global plagues on humanity in quite a while, but the mad scientists of germ warfare have spooked everyone for many years & the Hollywood movies dramatizing lab escapes have greatly amplified our fears.  

 

Once you get started on a lab escape response scenario, it's hard to break out of panic mode.  Add the substantial benefits of a great reset to Big Pharma, Big Business & Big Government, & you have a strong motive to keep the throttle of the crazy train wide open.  Welcome to the brave new world!  


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Posted 02 December 2020 - 10:45 PM

I did NOT say "mostly".

 

If it's not "mostly" (which I didn't say you said), then why mention it? Do you think it's a big cause (50%? 25%? or what?) of excess deaths and hospitalization? In other words, what are you exactly trying to say?


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Posted 02 December 2020 - 11:40 PM

That isn't particularly surprising or even alarming.

 

For any virus, particularly rapidly changing viruses such as RNA viruses like covid, the tendency is for the virus to become more efficient at spreading and less deadly.

 

Right, but it could explain how SARS-CoV-2 hung out undetected for some time before being noticed even if it was more deadly.



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Posted 03 December 2020 - 09:06 AM

No one cares if it was here in January or December. What does it really change?

The fact is people are dying today in the Fall wave in numbers quite as large as March, and this is something the optimstists had vehemently predicted against.
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Posted 03 December 2020 - 05:24 PM

https://www.nytimes....th-toll-us.html

True Pandemic Toll in the U.S. Reaches 345,000

Deaths in every state of the country are higher than they would be in a normal year, according to an analysis of estimates from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

The data show how the coronavirus pandemic, which is peaking in many states, is bringing with it unusual patterns of death, higher than the official totals of deaths that have been directly linked to the virus.

Deaths nationwide were 19 percent higher than normal from March 15 to Nov. 14. Altogether, the analysis shows that 345,000 more people than normal have died in the United States during that period, a number that may be an undercount since recent death statistics are still being updated.

Our analysis examines deaths from all causes — not just confirmed cases of coronavirus — beginning when the virus took hold. That allows comparisons that do not depend on the accuracy of cause-of-death reporting, and includes deaths related to disruptions caused by the pandemic as well as the virus itself. Epidemiologists refer to fatalities in the gap between the observed and normal numbers of deaths as “excess deaths.”

As coronavirus cases spread across the country, the geographic patterns of deaths above normal have followed.

Excess deaths right now look worst in parts of the Midwest where coronavirus cases have been high. But in the summer, when the virus was more common in the South and Southwest, excess deaths were higher in those regions.

Counting deaths takes time, and many states are weeks or months behind in reporting. These estimates from the C.D.C. are adjusted based on how mortality data has lagged in previous years. It will take several months before all these numbers are finalized.

From March 15 through Nov. 14, the most recent date with reliable statistics, estimated excess deaths were 41 percent higher than the official coronavirus fatality count. If this pattern held through Dec. 2, the total death toll would be about 380,000.

Public health researchers use such methods to measure the impact of catastrophic events when official measures of mortality are flawed.

Measuring excess deaths does not tell us precisely how each person died. Most of the excess deaths in this period are because of the coronavirus itself.

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Posted 03 December 2020 - 05:35 PM

https://www.msn.com/...nds/ar-BB1bBckt

1 American is dying of COVID-19 every 30 seconds

By Wednesday afternoon, the U.S. had set a new record for the number of patients hospitalized with COVID-19, when that number rose above 100,000 people for the first time, and by the end of the day America added a new single-day fatality record. The number of people who died of COVID-19 in the U.S. rose above the previous record, 2,760, by Wednesday evening, and by midnight, according to the New York Times database, the U.S. had documented 2,885 new coronavirus deaths and 199,988 new cases, out of a pandemic total of at least 13,999,300 cases and 273,500 deaths.

With 2,885 COVID-19 deaths in 24 hours, that works out to one person dying in the U.S. every 30 seconds, Times reporter Mike Baker pointed out, among other grim contextualization.

2,885 deaths reported in one day.

That is 1 death every 30 seconds.

It's more than the death toll at the World Trade Center on 9/11.

It's more than all the U.S. military casualties in the endless war in Afghanistan.

"And as staggering as it is, the death toll reported Wednesday appears likely only to worsen, experts say, as the delayed effects of Thanksgiving travel are felt," the Times reports. "And many Americans are now weighing how to celebrate Christmas and New Year's." Earlier Wednesday, Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said we're about to "the most difficult time in the public health history of this nation," adding that skyrocketing death counts aren't inevitable. "We're not defenseless," he said. "The truth is that mitigation works. But it's not going to work if half of us do what we need to do. Probably not even if three-quarters do."

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Posted 03 December 2020 - 05:41 PM

https://apnews.com/a...c3cc858bfe24e49

US virus deaths top 3,100 in a single day for the first time

The U.S. recorded over 3,100 COVID-19 deaths in a single day, obliterating the record set last spring, while the number of Americans in the hospital with the virus has eclipsed 100,000 for the first time and new cases have begun topping 200,000 a day, according to figures released Thursday.

The three benchmarks altogether showed a country slipping deeper into crisis, with perhaps the worst yet to come, in part because of the delayed effects from Thanksgiving, when millions of Americans disregarded warnings to stay home and celebrate only with members of their household.

Across the U.S., the surge has swamped hospitals and left nurses and other health care workers shorthanded and burned out.

“The reality is December and January and February are going to be rough times. I actually believe they are going to be the most difficult time in the public health history of this nation,” Dr. Robert Redfield, head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Wednesday.

Health authorities had warned that the numbers could fluctuate strongly before and after Thanksgiving, as they often do around holidays and weekends. Because of reporting delays, the figures often drop, then rise sharply a few days later as state and local health agencies catch up with the backlog.

Still, deaths, hospitalizations and cases in the U.S. have been on a fairly steady rise for weeks, sometimes breaking records for days on end.

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Posted 03 December 2020 - 10:13 PM

The moral of this story seems to be don't be complacent.

  • No significant increase in deaths in the Asian countries.
  • Significant increase in deaths in Europe but mostly in Eastern Europe which averted the first wave in the Spring.
  • Significant increase in deaths the US but mostly in the Midwest which averted the first wave in the Spring.
  • The death rate exploded in the Czech Republic and was among the worst in the world, after it relaxed all restrictions including its mask mandate.

https://ourworldinda...&pickerSort=asc

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https://covid.cdc.go...er100klast7days

https://www.cdc.gov/...cess_deaths.htm

https://www.cnn.com/...intl/index.html


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Posted 09 December 2020 - 03:10 AM

Elevated biomarker for blood vessel damage found in all children with SARS-CoV-2: Study found high proportion of children with SARS-CoV-2 infection met clinical criteria for thrombotic microangiopathy -- ScienceDaily

 

 

Elevated biomarker for blood vessel damage found in all children with SARS-CoV-2

 

Researchers at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) have found elevated levels of a biomarker related to blood vessel damage in children with SARS-CoV-2 infection, even if the children had minimal or no symptoms of COVID-19. They also found that a high proportion of children with SARS-CoV-2 infection met clinical and diagnostic criteria for thrombotic microangiopathy (TMA). TMA is a syndrome that involves clotting in the small blood vessels and has been identified as a potential cause for severe manifestations of COVID-19 in adults.

The findings were published today in Blood Advances.

"We do not yet know the clinical implications of this elevated biomarker in children with COVID-19 and no symptoms or minimal symptoms," said co-senior author David T. Teachey, MD, an attending physician, Co-Leader of the Immune Dysregulation Frontier Program, and Director of Clinical Research at the Center for Childhood Cancer Research at CHOP. "We should continue testing for and monitoring children with SARS-CoV-2 so that we can better understand how the virus affects them in both the short and long term."

 

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Posted 09 December 2020 - 03:19 AM

COVID-19: persistent symptoms in one third of cases -- ScienceDaily

 

 
COVID-19: persistent symptoms in one third of cases

 

Physicians in Geneva have shown that some of the troublesome symptoms of COVID-19 could last more than 6 weeks, even in patients without underlying risk factors.

 

Since its appearance in early 2020, COVID-19 has been unpredictable for both physicians and affected individuals given the variety and duration of its symptoms. Notably, it appears to have the potential to cause an unusually long-lasting illness, and the term "long COVID" describes the disease in people who continue to report symptoms several weeks following the infection.

To better understand this phenomenon, a team of physicians and epidemiologists from the University of Geneva (UNIGE) the University Hospitals of Geneva (HUG) and the General Health Directorate of the State of Geneva followed nearly 700 people who tested positive for SARS-COV2 but did not require hospitalisation. Six weeks after diagnosis, 33% of them still reported suffering from fatigue, loss of smell or taste, shortness of breath or cough. These results, which can be seen in the Annals of Internal Medicine, call for better communication, particularly with patients and with the physicians who follow them, and for ongoing messages to the general public, reminding them that SARS-CoV-2 infection is not trivial.

A total of 669 people were followed (mean age 43 years, 60% female, 25% of healthcare professionals and 69% without underlying risk factors that could be related to complications from COVID-19). At 6 weeks from diagnosis, nearly a third of participants still had one or more symptoms related to COVID-19, mainly fatigue (14%), shortness of breath (9%) and loss of taste or smell (12%). In addition, 6% reported a persistent cough and 3% reported headaches. Dr. Mayssam Nehme, Senior Resident in Professor Guessous's team and first author of this work, also explains how these patients felt: "In addition to the physical distress of their symptoms, many were very worried: how much longer would it last? Were some after-effects irrecoverable? Even without a clear medical answer, in the current state of knowledge, it is important to accompany concerned patients and to listen to them," she adds. With this in mind, the HUG has set up a specific consultation for long COVID patients in order to improve their care and guide them through the health system.

he persistence of symptoms must be recognised in order to legitimise the concerns of patients faced with a new and unknown disease, and to optimise their management. "This requires an information campaign towards the general public and healthcare workers, but also, more broadly, among employers, insurance companies and society in general. Everyone should realise that previously healthy people can also be affected by COVID-19, weeks or even months following the infection. Prevention is therefore of the utmost importance," add the authors, who are continuing their studies to understand the long-term evolution of these patients.

 

 

 

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Posted 10 December 2020 - 06:16 AM

The main driver of cases in NYC is private family gatherings (presumably maskless and from different households).

 

https://ny.eater.com...d-robert-mujica


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Posted 10 December 2020 - 07:28 AM

Besides discouraging mask use at the start of the pandemic, banning outdoor dining has got to be one of the dumbest policies that health officials have come up with. There's no empirical and only weak theoretical evidence to suggest that outdoor dining is a big risk factor for transmission. And by discouraging socializing in relative safety outdoors, everyone is pushed to socialize indoors at home, during the holidays.
 

“The decision to include among other sectors outdoor dining and limiting that — turning to restaurants to deliver and provide takeout options instead — really has to do with the goal of trying to keep people at home, not a comment on the relative safety of outdoor dining,”


Outbreak data...showed that cases traced back to bars and restaurants accounted for just 3.1 percent of the non-residential outbreak locations, "the vast majority of which were chain/fast food type restaurants" and almost exclusively involved employees rather than customers.

 

California judge calls L.A. outdoor dining ban 'abuse' of powers
https://la.eater.com...rus-why-numbers


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Posted 13 December 2020 - 12:54 PM

It has been reported that the Dutch government will hold a meeting today in relation to the fact that for weeks the amount of registered infections is not getting lower. Alto if one looks at the figures of the RIVM the claim (made by media and politicians) that these rise in infections will lead to a sharp increase in hospitalisations and daily dead in two weeks have yet to materialise. Also if ones compares it with the figures of the first wave around April, there is significantly less hospitalisations and fatalities per day  in relation to the amount of registered infections. Something that does not seem to be mentioned by both the media and politicians.

 

Now what this tells me that there is little to no reason for more draconian measures then during the first wave, since if the figures can be trusted COVID is less dangerous then what it appeared then during the first wave, alto for certain groups still dangerous enough to be somewhat concerned. However it seems that certain interest groups might have reasons to execrate the situation for personal gains, something the WHO warned about nine years ago.


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Posted 13 December 2020 - 04:35 PM

Coca-Cola tested positive for Corona;)


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Posted 17 December 2020 - 12:24 PM

The moral of this story seems to be don't be complacent.

  • No significant increase in deaths in the Asian countries.
  • Significant increase in deaths in Europe but mostly in Eastern Europe which averted the first wave in the Spring.
  • Significant increase in deaths the US but mostly in the Midwest which averted the first wave in the Spring.
  • The death rate exploded in the Czech Republic and was among the worst in the world, after it relaxed all restrictions including its mask mandate.

https://ourworldinda...&pickerSort=asc

https://ourworldinda...&pickerSort=asc

https://covid.cdc.go...er100klast7days

https://www.cdc.gov/...cess_deaths.htm

https://www.cnn.com/...intl/index.html

 

And slowly but surely Sweden seems turning to be no longer a particular case, aligning unfortunately with the rest of Europe ...

https://www.theguard...ovid-resurgence
 



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Posted 17 December 2020 - 04:11 PM

Honestly not convinced of the whole narrative that Sweden is practicing herd immunity to such a great extent.

 

Their GDP contracted nearly as much as other European nations.

 

And their social distancing factor is nearly as low as Germany's (according to covid19.healthdata.org).

 

That would suggest despite whatever may be the perception of authority's decision, Sweden's individuals have still been taking precautions on their own behalf.


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Posted 18 December 2020 - 10:22 AM

"just a bad flu..." really? yes, but really bad and the "just" seems not appropriate .....

 

"...In-hospital mortality was higher in patients hospitalised for COVID-19 than patients hospitalised for influenza with a relative risk of death of 2·9 (95% CI 2·8–3·0). We found a standardised mortality ratio of 2·82..."

 

Attached File  flu and covid.PNG   23.5KB   0 downloads

 

Lionel Piroth, Jonathan Cottenet, Anne-Sophie Mariet, Philippe Bonniaud, Mathieu Blot, Pascale Tubert-Bitter, Catherine Quantin,
Comparison of the characteristics, morbidity, and mortality of COVID-19 and seasonal influenza: a nationwide, population-based retrospective cohort study, The Lancet Respiratory Medicine, 2020
https://doi.org/10.1...2600(20)30527-0

http://www.sciencedi...213260020305270



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Posted 18 December 2020 - 06:18 PM

It's really no comparison to the flu, people will compare the case fatality rate and say COVID only kills old people.

 

Yes, well the flu mostly (ironically) kills young people. Sort of uses the immune system and inflammation against you in the extreme cases.

 

graphe_0312.jpg

 

 

It's also worth noting the virus is now everywhere, as opposed to hot spots in April.

 

See the animated map:

https://www.usatoday...map/6476091002/



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Posted 27 December 2020 - 12:03 PM

Yet another analysis showing COVID cases in the U.S. are wildly over-stated. As many as 40% of COVID-coded cases in Minnesota were incidental. You might recall that a review of Milwaukee County cases earlier this year revealed 20% over-counting of COVID deaths.


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Posted 27 December 2020 - 06:17 PM

Yet another analysis showing ....

 

could be inflated

 

Is hardly an analysis showing anything other than more political theatre and divisive conspiracy theory.  All you ever have is cherry picking grasping at straws propaganda web sites with stories from political spin.

 

If you want to be serious, how do you explain the excess deaths that are even in excess of reported covid deaths?  If anything, the statistics tell another story of covid deaths likely even greater than officially reported.

 

It would seem some political camps have attempted from the get go to down play the pandemic and suppress official and real death counts.

 

If this pandemic is a hoax, then there are an awful lot of longecity members appearing scared to death of contracting this hoax by pulling out all the stops in determining the best course of action in prevention and treatment in an attempt to avoid the long term effects and/or hoax deaths.


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Posted 28 December 2020 - 05:16 PM

Yet another analysis showing COVID cases in the U.S. are wildly over-stated. As many as 40% of COVID-coded cases in Minnesota were incidental. You might recall that a review of Milwaukee County cases earlier this year revealed 20% over-counting of COVID deaths.

 

I don't know about the rest of you, but to me there's a world of difference between "wildly overstated" and "20% inflation".

 

The latter also precludes analyses finding the opposite, namely the excess death statistic—which is difficult to blame on other sources than COVID, and which seems to suggest a near 30% deficit in reporting.

 

What about the many casualties not receiving a probable positive result? I am equally apt to cast out the odd instances of car crash victims being mislabeled as COVID-19 causalties as I am to include excess deaths. I would need more substantial evidence than a social media manager interviewing republican senators.  The so-called "analysis" appears quite subjective and speculative, indeed. Best taken with a grain of salt folks.


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Posted 28 December 2020 - 08:30 PM

Nearly a year into the pandemic and Fox News is still subversively peddling the "Democratic hoax" narrative, or shall I say: conspiracy?

 

The virus is like the flu, they'll say, it's barely killed anyone. The doctors and nurses are writing false cause of deaths b/c hospitals somehow make money on that(?), reopen everything now... Everything is safe, business as usual... no terror should strike the markets. Also, masks don't work and no one deserves money b/c free markets [unless it's signed by Trump for cruises then it's fine]. .... And just an endless stream of easily refuted, deeply impassioned pseudo-scientific nonsense.

 

While I admire their optimism, I question their perspective and lack of evidence. The just keep shifting the burden of proof, with increasingly fantastic jabs at unothodoxy. The seem quite unwilling to confront facts from a variety of sources.

 

The virus is in fact nothing like the flu. The flu kills predominantly people in the 18-59 bracket, UNLIKE covid which targets the 59-85+ bracket. One affects mostly the upper respiratory, the other is a mid-low. One attacks blood vessels the other doesn't. There really are so many differences here that deserve attention.


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Posted 29 December 2020 - 02:48 AM

COVID-19 severity affected by proportion of antibodies targeting crucial viral protein -- ScienceDaily

 

COVID-19 severity affected by proportion of antibodies targeting crucial viral protein

 

COVID-19 antibodies preferentially target a different part of the virus in mild cases of COVID-19 than they do in severe cases, and wane significantly within several months of infection, according to a new study by researchers at Stanford Medicine.

 

The findings identify new links between the course of the disease and a patient's immune response. They also raise concerns about whether people can be re-infected, whether antibody tests to detect prior infection may underestimate the breadth of the pandemic and whether vaccinations may need to be repeated at regular intervals to maintain a protective immune response.

 

"This is one of the most comprehensive studies to date of the antibody immune response to SARS-CoV-2 in people across the entire spectrum of disease severity, from asymptomatic to fatal," said Scott Boyd, MD, PhD, associate professor of pathology. "We assessed multiple time points and sample types, and also analyzed levels of viral RNA in patient nasopharyngeal swabs and blood samples. It's one of the first big-picture looks at this illness."

 

The study found that people with severe COVID-19 have low proportions of antibodies targeting the spike protein used by the virus to enter human cells compared with the number of antibodies targeting proteins of the virus's inner shell.

 

Boyd is a senior author of the study, which was published Dec. 7 in Science Immunology. Other senior authors are Benjamin Pinsky, MD, PhD, associate professor of pathology, and Peter Kim, PhD, the Virginia and D. K. Ludwig Professor of Biochemistry. The lead authors are research scientist Katharina Röltgen, PhD; postdoctoral scholars Abigail Powell, PhD, and Oliver Wirz, PhD; and clinical instructor Bryan Stevens, MD.

 

The researchers studied 254 people with asymptomatic, mild or severe COVID-19 who were identified either through routine testing or occupational health screening at Stanford Health Care or who came to a Stanford Health Care clinic with symptoms of COVID-19. Of the people with symptoms, 25 were treated as outpatients, 42 were hospitalized outside the intensive care unit and 37 were treated in the intensive care unit. Twenty-five people in the study died of the disease.

 

SARS-CoV-2 binds to human cells via a structure on its surface called the spike protein. This protein binds to a receptor on human cells called ACE2. The binding allows the virus to enter and infect the cell. Once inside, the virus sheds its outer coat to reveal an inner shell encasing its genetic material. Soon, the virus co-opts the cell's protein-making machinery to churn out more viral particles, which are then released to infect other cells.

 

Antibodies that recognize and bind to the spike protein block its ability to bind to ACE2, preventing the virus from infecting the cells, whereas antibodies that recognize other viral components are unlikely to prevent viral spread. Current vaccine candidates use portions of the spike protein to stimulate an immune response.

 

Boyd and his colleagues analyzed the levels of three types of antibodies -- IgG, IgM and IgA -- and the proportions that targeted the viral spike protein or the virus's inner shell as the disease progressed and patients either recovered or grew sicker. They also measured the levels of viral genetic material in nasopharyngeal samples and blood from the patients. Finally, they assessed the effectiveness of the antibodies in preventing the spike protein from binding to ACE2 in a laboratory dish.

 

"Although previous studies have assessed the overall antibody response to infection, we compared the viral proteins targeted by these antibodies," Boyd said. "We found that the severity of the illness correlates with the ratio of antibodies recognizing domains of the spike protein compared with other nonprotective viral targets. Those people with mild illness tended to have a higher proportion of anti-spike antibodies, and those who died from their disease had more antibodies that recognized other parts of the virus."

 

As in other studies, the researchers found that people with asymptomatic and mild illness had lower levels of antibodies overall than did those with severe disease. After recovery, the levels of IgM and IgA decreased steadily to low or undetectable levels in most patients over a period of about one to four months after symptom onset or estimated infection date, and IgG levels dropped significantly.

 

"This is quite consistent with what has been seen with other coronaviruses that regularly circulate in our communities to cause the common cold," Boyd said. "It's not uncommon for someone to get re-infected within a year or sometimes sooner. It remains to be seen whether the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 vaccination is stronger, or persists longer, than that caused by natural infection. It's quite possible it could be better. But there are a lot of questions that still need to be answered."

 

"For example, if someone has already been infected, should they get the vaccine? If so, how should they be prioritized?" Boyd said. "How can we adapt seroprevalence studies in vaccinated populations? How will immunity from vaccination differ from that caused by natural infection? And how long might a vaccine be protective? These are all very interesting, important questions."

 

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Posted 29 December 2020 - 09:53 AM

@Hebbeh

Informative read.Thank you. Makes me also wondering about use of convalescent patient blood plasma and personalized approaches assessed with omics such as metabolic, proteomics etc .. did not think deep about though!



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Posted 02 January 2021 - 04:32 PM

CDC Figures Suggest True U.S. Covid Death Toll Over 467,000 (mediaite.com)

 

Jaw-Dropping New CDC Figures Suggest True U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Approaching Half a Million

 

As the United States goes into the New Year breaking single-day records for coronavirus deaths, data from the Centers for Disease Control suggests the true cumulative U.S. death toll is approaching half a million.

 

CDC tracks the number of deaths reported in excess of the average number of expected deaths based on prior years, and the latest figures show that since the pandemic began, 431,792 more people than expected have died.

 

But those figures only measure excess deaths through the week ending December 19, when the official confirmed death toll was at 316,000. Since then, another 31,000 lost souls have been added to the official count. Excess deaths during the pandemic have hovered around twenty percent, meaning that in the past two weeks, it’s likely that an additional 6,000 deaths have been undercounted — meaning the current number of excess deaths is likely around 470,000.

 

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Posted 03 January 2021 - 12:58 AM

Fake?

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Posted 03 January 2021 - 03:41 AM

Fake?

Hard ti say. Here is a different story. 

CDC Reports: 26.3% Less “All Deaths” in 2020 than 2018 – Gobbledygook Coronavirus Math

 

https://www.rightwir...ronavirus-math/


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Posted 03 January 2021 - 04:18 AM

Hard ti say. Here is a different story. 

CDC Reports: 26.3% Less “All Deaths” in 2020 than 2018 – Gobbledygook Coronavirus Math

 

https://www.rightwir...ronavirus-math/

 

 

May 10, 2020  Seriously?







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