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[Daniel Cooper]

For people who might not be able to take Tylenol....I would assume aspirin would be fine?

 

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Aspirin is an anti-inflammatory.

[Chad Meadows]

What do people think of Wellmune WGP and EpiCor in regards to improving immune function?

https://www.newhope....s-immune-health

 

Also, any thoughts on Proligna?

https://immunextra.com/pages/proligna

[Daniel Cooper]

My thoughts is that if someone is selling a "proprietary blend" of 11 herbs and spices to treat some condition it is incumbent on them to provide the evidence that their magic elixir works. 

 

For me, no published results, no buy.

 

 

[HBRU]

The virus still gives me a bit of short breath... (somehow like asthma)... not big issue but present. Tudca helps for that. Luckily I've bought just in time.

[HBRU]

Short breath with no other symptoms... it seems the virus is present at low level for long time, there is the potential I think also to cronicize it. Probably till next strong fewer arrives.

[lancebr]

Aspirin is an anti-inflammatory.

 

So then for people who would not be able to take Tylenol due to the liver issues etc....what would be recommended?

[HBRU]

No change to eradicate from our society... it will be here for forever.

[Daniel Cooper]

No change to eradicate from our society... it will be here for forever.

 

Not true.  If you get an effective vaccine it can be eliminated over time.  We don't have smallpox running around after all.

[Daniel Cooper]

So then for people who would not be able to take Tylenol due to the liver issues etc....what would be recommended?

 

 

Off the top of my head .... I got nothing.  I'm assuming you want to take it to reduce fever?  If so, almost every antipyretic (fever reducer) aside from acetaminophen is a NSAID.  Maybe someone has a better idea than me.

 

So for fever reduction you might be looking a cold/ice baths. 

 

For pain reduction, you might just have to gut it out if your liver can't tolerate acetaminophen.  I'm not sure an opioide  would be a good idea if you've got serious upper respiratory issues.  

[Chad Meadows]

My thoughts is that if someone is selling a "proprietary blend" of 11 herbs and spices to treat some condition it is incumbent on them to provide the evidence that their magic elixir works. 

 

For me, no published results, no buy.

 

WGP
https://www.jarcet.c...dmanVol9No1.pdf

 

EpiCor

https://www.embriahe...clinical-trials

 

Proligna

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC2794845/

[Oakman]

What do people think of Wellmune WGP and EpiCor in regards to improving immune function?

https://www.newhope....s-immune-health

 

Also, any thoughts on Proligna?

https://immunextra.com/pages/proligna

 

As to EpiCor, based on my research, I bought some, and started it a couple days ago. It looks like at least some help to strengthen the immune system against some intrusions.

 

"EpiCor helps to boost the number of Secretory Immunoglobulin A (sIgA) antibodies found in mucous membranes in places like your mouth and nose. This antibody is very important to your body's immune defences as it traps invading bacteria so they pass through the body before causing an infection."

 

Summary of Human Clinical Trials

 

https://www.embriahe...linical-trials/

 

also https://www.biosyntr...cles.php?id=556

[Izan]

Whoa!!

 

Relationship between the ABO Blood Group and the COVID-19 Susceptibility

 

 

Abstract

OBJECTIVE To investigate the relationship between the ABO blood group and the COVID-19 susceptibility. DESIGN The study was conducted by comparing the blood group distribution in 2,173 patients with COVID-19 confirmed by SARS-CoV-2 test from three hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen, China with that in normal people from the corresponding regions. Data were analyzed using one-way ANOVA and 2-tailed χ2 and a meta-analysis was performed by random effects models. SETTING Three tertiary hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen, China. PARTICIPANTS A total of 1,775 patients with COVID-19, including 206 dead cases, from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital, Wuhan, China were recruited. Another 113 and 285 patients with COVID-19 were respectively recruited from Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University, Wuhan and Shenzhen Third People's Hospital, Shenzhen, China. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES Detection of ABO blood groups, infection occurrence of SARS-CoV-2, and patient death RESULTS The ABO group in 3694 normal people in Wuhan showed a distribution of 32.16%, 24.90%, 9.10% and 33.84% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, versus the distribution of 37.75%, 26.42%, 10.03% and 25.80% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, in 1775 COVID-19 patients from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital. The proportion of blood group A and O in COVID-19 patients were significantly higher and lower, respectively, than that in normal people (both P < 0.001). Similar ABO distribution pattern was observed in 398 patients from another two hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen. Meta-analyses on the pooled data showed that blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 (odds ratio-OR, 1.20; 95% confidence interval-CI 1.02~1.43, P = 0.02) compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease (OR, 0.67; 95% CI 0.60~0.75, P < 0.001) compared with non-O blood groups.In addition, the influence of age and gender on the ABO blood group distribution in patients with COVID-19 from two Wuhan hospitals (1,888 patients) were analyzed and found that age and gender do not have much effect on the distribution. CONCLUSION People with blood group A have a significantly higher risk for acquiring COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O has a significantly lower risk for the infection compared with non-O blood groups.

 

 

https://www.medrxiv....78ozgjpNmkKLO34

 

[lancebr]

As to EpiCor, based on my research, I bought some, and started it a couple days ago. It looks like at least some help to strengthen the immune system against some intrusions.

 

"EpiCor helps to boost the number of Secretory Immunoglobulin A (sIgA) antibodies found in mucous membranes in places like your mouth and nose. This antibody is very important to your body's immune defences as it traps invading bacteria so they pass through the body before causing an infection."

 

Summary of Human Clinical Trials

 

https://www.embriahe...linical-trials/

 

also https://www.biosyntr...cles.php?id=556

 

What brand did you choose?
 

[Oakman]

What brand did you choose?
 

 

I think they are all the same as they are using a proprietary Epicor product, but I got https://www.amazon.c...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[lancebr]

I think they are all the same as they are using a proprietary Epicor product, but I got https://www.amazon.c...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I was thinking about trying NOW brand since had good luck with their brand in the past.

 

The only thing is they add other things in small amounts to their formula:

 

Epicor              500mg

 

Vitamin C           60mg

Vitamin D3         25mcg

Zinc                     7mg

Selenium           35mcg

Olive Extract      33mg

 

They say the added other things make it work better.  I just wonder if the other parts

with help or hinder it even though they are small amounts.

[Dorian Grey]

Whoa!!

 

Relationship between the ABO Blood Group and the COVID-19 Susceptibility

 

 

Abstract

OBJECTIVE To investigate the relationship between the ABO blood group and the COVID-19 susceptibility. DESIGN The study was conducted by comparing the blood group distribution in 2,173 patients with COVID-19 confirmed by SARS-CoV-2 test from three hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen, China with that in normal people from the corresponding regions. Data were analyzed using one-way ANOVA and 2-tailed χ2 and a meta-analysis was performed by random effects models. SETTING Three tertiary hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen, China. PARTICIPANTS A total of 1,775 patients with COVID-19, including 206 dead cases, from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital, Wuhan, China were recruited. Another 113 and 285 patients with COVID-19 were respectively recruited from Renmin Hospital of Wuhan University, Wuhan and Shenzhen Third People's Hospital, Shenzhen, China. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES Detection of ABO blood groups, infection occurrence of SARS-CoV-2, and patient death RESULTS The ABO group in 3694 normal people in Wuhan showed a distribution of 32.16%, 24.90%, 9.10% and 33.84% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, versus the distribution of 37.75%, 26.42%, 10.03% and 25.80% for A, B, AB and O, respectively, in 1775 COVID-19 patients from Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital. The proportion of blood group A and O in COVID-19 patients were significantly higher and lower, respectively, than that in normal people (both P < 0.001). Similar ABO distribution pattern was observed in 398 patients from another two hospitals in Wuhan and Shenzhen. Meta-analyses on the pooled data showed that blood group A had a significantly higher risk for COVID-19 (odds ratio-OR, 1.20; 95% confidence interval-CI 1.02~1.43, P = 0.02) compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O had a significantly lower risk for the infectious disease (OR, 0.67; 95% CI 0.60~0.75, P < 0.001) compared with non-O blood groups.In addition, the influence of age and gender on the ABO blood group distribution in patients with COVID-19 from two Wuhan hospitals (1,888 patients) were analyzed and found that age and gender do not have much effect on the distribution. CONCLUSION People with blood group A have a significantly higher risk for acquiring COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O has a significantly lower risk for the infection compared with non-O blood groups.

 

 

https://www.medrxiv....78ozgjpNmkKLO34

 

Great find izan82!  Adding to this, let's look at the prevalence of Non-O blood types around the world.  

 

Maps: https://www2.palomar...vary/vary_3.htm

 

Looks like China and Iran have high Non-O populations, and look at Italy.  Northern region (where COVID epidemic) is higher Type-A than southern Italy.    

 

Here's blood type by country: https://en.wikipedia...tion_by_country

 

And a MONSTER wright-up on blood types & immune differences: https://cmr.asm.org/content/28/3/801

 

The plot thickens!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 17 March 2020 - 06:55 PM.

[Adaptogen]

Japanese drug "Avigan" has been recently recommended by Chinese officials as Covid-19 treatment.

"Clinical research was conducted at medical institutions in Wuhan, Hubei Province and Shenzhen, Guangdong Province, targeting 240 and 80 patients, respectively. The median number of days from when the result of the test was positive to negative was 11 days, compared to 4 days for the treated patients.

The percentage of patients who showed improvement in pneumonia on x-rays was 91% with Avigan and 62% higher without it."

https://www.tellerre...ryxfB04ASI.html

[Hip]

No evidence as yet, but this article suggests that melatonin may help prevent lung damage caused by COVID-19.

The article focuses on the anti-inflammatory effect of melatonin on NLRP3 inflammasomes.

It mentions this 2016 study in which melatonin is found to reduce acute lung injury in animals via its effect on NLRP3, which may have significance in the context of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), which is the cause of death in many cases of COVID-19.

And it refers to this 2014 study which found in rats melatonin reduces the damage from ARDS.

[Kalliste]

So then for people who would not be able to take Tylenol due to the liver issues etc....what would be recommended?

 

Aspirin and Ibuprofen are looking like really bad options at this moment. AFAIK nonody has died from fever at this point. Prepare your body for fever by using sauna, have electrolyte reloading tabs at hand, if you have to use something for Corona let it be Paracetamol (lol not even Covid know how that works).

 

Good reasons to believe the spanish flu was aggravated by that times hefty reliance on aspirin.

 

As an aside I have seen some bad news on AMPK from Metformin.

As a forum memeber I am reminded of the many AMPK things we use: Berberine, curcumin, green tea, aspirin etc.

Could be a time for a break from some of those.
 

[Kalliste]

I used Chloroquine as an anti-malaria prohphylactic in 2006-02-01-2006-03-15.

It gave me a massive and deep depression which at the time I did not even realize.

 

Later that year I developed a massive tendinosis of my lower arm extensors, it still has not healed properly but these days I can use a computer for hours. 2007-2010 I could not even operate a mouse for more than 30 mins without deep pain.

[lancebr]

I used Chloroquine as an anti-malaria prohphylactic in 2006-02-01-2006-03-15.

It gave me a massive and deep depression which at the time I did not even realize.

 

Later that year I developed a massive tendinosis of my lower arm extensors, it still has not healed properly but these days I can use a computer for hours. 2007-2010 I could not even operate a mouse for more than 30 mins without deep pain.

 

Since Chloroquine has shown to e effective against this virus, would you use it again even knowing the

side effects and issues you had?
 

[lancebr]

Great find izan82!  Adding to this, let's look at the prevalence of Non-O blood types around the world.  

 

Maps: https://www2.palomar...vary/vary_3.htm

 

Looks like China and Iran have high Non-O populations, and look at Italy.  Northern region (where COVID epidemic) is higher Type-A than southern Italy.    

 

Here's blood type by country: https://en.wikipedia...tion_by_country

 

And a MONSTER wright-up on blood types & immune differences: https://cmr.asm.org/content/28/3/801

 

The plot thickens!  

 

So then they are basically saying that people with:

 

A blood is the worst

 

AB blood is probably bad

 

B is better

 

and O is best.

 

Is that correct?

 

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Edited by lancebr, 17 March 2020 - 07:12 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

Aspirin and Ibuprofen are looking like really bad options at this moment. AFAIK nonody has died from fever at this point. Prepare your body for fever by using sauna, have electrolyte reloading tabs at hand, if you have to use something for Corona let it be Paracetamol (lol not even Covid know how that works).

 

Good reasons to believe the spanish flu was aggravated by that times hefty reliance on aspirin.

 

As an aside I have seen some bad news on AMPK from Metformin.

As a forum memeber I am reminded of the many AMPK things we use: Berberine, curcumin, green tea, aspirin etc.

Could be a time for a break from some of those.
 

 

I'm confused about AMPK activators / inhibitors regarding coronavirus.  Can you clarify?  

[kurdishfella]

if iran has high o blood type population why is the death rate so high there. note most of the population are young so it has not much to do with being old.

 

86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says

https://nypost.com/2...irus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/

 

- Onset of Coronavirus disease from incubation takes between 2 and 4 weeks, and up to 3 months in some cases.

- More aggressive and faster-spreading now due to differences in European immunity.

- Coronavirus doesn't weaken with seasonal temperature rises. Spreads just as quickly in, both, colder and warmer climates.

- Transmission can come from the bodily excretions of infected people, animals, insects or pets. 

- Also transmitted via breath-to-breath condensing droplets; from exhalation, talking, coughing, sneezing and settles on clothes, food and other surfaces. 

- Remains active outside the body for up 24 hours, and even days under certain conditions.

- Symptoms start with an itchy throat, light to heavy coughing, to a flu-like fever, but, unlike flu, there are no body aches, or, runny/stuffy noses.

- Clothes must be washed at a minimum temperature of 60°C to kill off the virus. 60 degrees Centigrade (140 F) kills the virus,  Taoist Master Mantak Chia's statement that the heat of a sauna @ 78-90 C will heal the infection. So a heat treatment could be used as well as ultraviolet light. sweat lodge would do the same, and steam baths.

- Must maintain a minimum safe distance of at least one meter from other people.

 

 

[Dorian Grey]

So then they are basically saying that people with:

 

A blood is the worst

 

AB blood is probably bad

 

B is better

 

and O is best.

 

Is that correct?

 

.

 

Looks like this from izan's find.  Amazing when you compare the blood type maps with the areas of explosive COVID growth.  Looks like Mexico, South America (and perhaps Africa) should fare better than much of the rest of the world.  Will be interesting to see how this progresses.  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 17 March 2020 - 07:55 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

 

if iran has high o blood type population why is the death rate so high there. note most of the population are young so it has not much to do with being old.

 

86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says

https://nypost.com/2...irus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/

 

- Onset of Coronavirus disease from incubation takes between 2 and 4 weeks, and up to 3 months in some cases.

- More aggressive and faster-spreading now due to differences in European immunity.

- Coronavirus doesn't weaken with seasonal temperature rises. Spreads just as quickly in, both, colder and warmer climates.

- Transmission can come from the bodily excretions of infected people, animals, insects or pets. 

- Also transmitted via breath-to-breath condensing droplets; from exhalation, talking, coughing, sneezing and settles on clothes, food and other surfaces. 

- Remains active outside the body for up 24 hours, and even days under certain conditions.

- Symptoms start with an itchy throat, light to heavy coughing, to a flu-like fever, but, unlike flu, there are no body aches, or, runny/stuffy noses.

- Clothes must be washed at a minimum temperature of 60°C to kill off the virus. 60 degrees Centigrade (140 F) kills the virus,  Taoist Master Mantak Chia's statement that the heat of a sauna @ 78-90 C will heal the infection. So a heat treatment could be used as well as ultraviolet light. sweat lodge would do the same, and steam baths.

- Must maintain a minimum safe distance of at least one meter from other people.

 

 

Regarding Iran, it looks like they have slightly more Type-A (27% Iran / 21% global average) and quite a bit more Type-B (22% Iran vs 16% global average)

 

Iran Type-O around 33% vs 63% global average.  I was looking to see if Iran might have some regional differences like Italy appears to and perhaps match with their area of most severe outbreak, but no luck so far finding this data.  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 17 March 2020 - 07:44 PM.

[lancebr]

Looks like this from izan's find.  Amazing when you compare the blood type maps with the areas of explosive COVID growth.  Looks like South America (and perhaps Africa) should fare better than much of the rest of the world.  Will be interesting to see how this progresses.  

 

 

Well looking at that one chart  the USA is mainly O's and A's. 

 

I remember when I was a kid and the doctor told me that I was B blood type and I was all upset

because I wanted to be A since in school it is better to get an A then a B (I was a nerd in school).

 

I guess this might be one time when getting a B is better then an A.

 

 

[kurdishfella]

Interferon-beta and interferon-gamma synergistically inhibit the replication of severe acute respiratory syndrome-associated coronavirus (SARS-CoV).

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/15476870

The substance GAMMA-INTERFERON is a natural product of chemical transformation, e.g. when milk is converted to YOGURT or KEFIR.

 

EAT YOGURT AND KEFIR GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOOST THAT IMMUNE SYSTEM TO THE MAXIMUM.

 

There is already a drug https://en.wikipedia...erferon_alfa-2b but not sure how similar it is to what is found in the food I mentioned above.

Edited by kurdishfella, 17 March 2020 - 07:53 PM.

[Izan]

 

if iran has high o blood type population why is the death rate so high there. note most of the population are young so it has not much to do with being old.

 

86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says

https://nypost.com/2...irus-are-walking-around-undetected-study-says/

 

- Onset of Coronavirus disease from incubation takes between 2 and 4 weeks, and up to 3 months in some cases.

- More aggressive and faster-spreading now due to differences in European immunity.

- Coronavirus doesn't weaken with seasonal temperature rises. Spreads just as quickly in, both, colder and warmer climates.

- Transmission can come from the bodily excretions of infected people, animals, insects or pets. 

- Also transmitted via breath-to-breath condensing droplets; from exhalation, talking, coughing, sneezing and settles on clothes, food and other surfaces. 

- Remains active outside the body for up 24 hours, and even days under certain conditions.

- Symptoms start with an itchy throat, light to heavy coughing, to a flu-like fever, but, unlike flu, there are no body aches, or, runny/stuffy noses.

- Clothes must be washed at a minimum temperature of 60°C to kill off the virus. 60 degrees Centigrade (140 F) kills the virus,  Taoist Master Mantak Chia's statement that the heat of a sauna @ 78-90 C will heal the infection. So a heat treatment could be used as well as ultraviolet light. sweat lodge would do the same, and steam baths.

- Must maintain a minimum safe distance of at least one meter from other people.

 

Imho, the higher the ratio O:A the better (countries like Peru, Nigeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Syria, Ghana etc).  If the ratio is nearing 1:1, like Iran, Italy (especially northern Italy), then corona could cause enormous trouble. And finally there are countries like Armenia and Turkey, where there is higher prevalence of A over O. I don't even want to think about what could happen there if a mass outbreak would occur.

[shp5]

No evidence as yet, but this article suggests that melatonin may help prevent lung damage caused by COVID-19.

The article focuses on the anti-inflammatory effect of melatonin on NLRP3 inflammasomes.

It mentions this 2016 study in which melatonin is found to reduce acute lung injury in animals via its effect on NLRP3, which may have significance in the context of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), which is the cause of death in many cases of COVID-19.

And it refers to this 2014 study which found in rats melatonin reduces the damage from ARDS.

 

thank you. order for melatonine is out.

 

boy do I get shit from people for suggesting vitamin c as adjunct therapy for acute illness, as per the shanghai protocol. at basically no cost, and at no risk of side-effects (except bowel irritation if too lazy to add a cheap buffer). conservation bias is horrible.

Edited by shp5, 17 March 2020 - 10:36 PM.