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[Kalliste]

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Ambroxol/Bromhexine is OTC. Looks very good

Edited by Kalliste, 21 September 2020 - 09:40 AM.

[Galaxyshock]

In vitro virucidal activity of Echinaforce®, an Echinacea purpurea preparation, against coronaviruses, including common cold coronavirus 229E and SARS-CoV-2

 

Conclusions

These results show that Echinaforce® is virucidal against HCoV-229E, upon direct contact and in an organotypic cell culture model. Furthermore, MERS-CoV and both SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 were inactivated at similar concentrations of the extract. Therefore we hypothesize that Echinacea purpurea preparations, such as Echinaforce®, could be effective as prophylactic treatment for all CoVs due to their structural similarities.

→ source (external link)

[lancebr]

Clinical Outcomes of Early Treatment With Doxycycline for 89 High-Risk COVID-19 Patients in Long-Term Care Facilities in New York

 

https://www.cureus.c...ies-in-new-york

 

 

Eighty-nine (89) high-risk patients, who developed a sudden onset of fever, cough, SOB, and hypoxia and were diagnosed with COVID-19, were treated with DOXY (100 mg PO or intravenous (IV) for seven days) and regular standard of care. Eighty-five percent (85%) of patients (n=76) demonstrated clinical recovery that is defined as resolution of fever (average 3.7 days, Coeff = -0.96, p = 0.0001), resolution of SOB (average 4.2 days), and improvement of POX: average 84% before treatment and average 95% after treatment (84.7 ± 7% vs. 95 ± 2.6%, p = 0.0001).

 

Higher pre- and post-treatment POX is associated with lower mortality (oxygen saturation (Spo2) vs. Death, Coeff = -0.01, p = 0.023; post-Spo2 vs. Death, Coeff = -0.05, p = 0.0002). Within 10 days of symptom onset, 3% of patients (n=3) were transferred to hospital due to clinical deterioration and 11% of patients (n=10) died. The result was followed for 30 days from the onset of symptoms in each patient.

 

The median age is 78 years, and the range is 43-101 years. One hundred percent (100%) of patients (n=89) tested positive for COVID-19 through reverse transcription-polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) and 85% of patients (n=76) showed clinical recovery.

 

Conclusion

 

Early treatment with DOXY for high-risk patients with moderate to severe COVID-19 infections in non-hospital settings, such as LTCFs, is associated with early clinical recovery, decreased hospitalization, and decreased mortality.

Edited by lancebr, 29 September 2020 - 06:16 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

Nice to see you're still contributing to this thread lancebr.  I've been looking at doxy as an alternative to zithromycin as it's been mentioned before.  Doxy is a bit more benign and doesn't prolong Q/T.  I've got some cinchona bark (quinine) I'll be taking if I get sick, & would like to do the combo therapy.  

 

I've been thinking of feigning a urinary tract infection via telemedicine to see if I can get my doc to prescribe some doxy so I'll have it on hand.  

 

Amazing doctors are still dead-set against any outpatient therapies for early stage COVID.  Take Tylenol and call 911 if you start turning blue?  Is this really the best we can do?  

 

Can't believe we're reduced to eating tree bark & faking UTIs to get medicine that might help us avoid COVID morbidity. 

 

We live in interesting times!   

[pamojja]

Can't believe we're reduced to eating tree bark & faking UTIs to get medicine that might help us avoid COVID morbidity.

 

Was Bromhexine already mentioned? Seems prescription-free.

 

On the treatment of Covid-19

 

 

Updated: September 28, 2020; Published: July 2, 2020

Languages: DE, EN; Share on: Twitter / Facebook

 

Immunological and serological studies show that most people develop no symptoms or only mild symptoms when infected with the new coronavirus, while some people may experience a more pronounced or critical course of the disease.

 

Based on the available scientific evidence and current clinical experience, the SPR Collaboration recommends that physicians and authorities consider the following Covid-19 treatment protocol for the early treatment of people at high risk or high exposure (see references below).

 

Note: Patients are asked to consult a doctor.

Treatment protocol

Prophylaxis

1. Zinc (50mg to 100mg per day)
2. Quercetin (500mg to 1000mg per day)
3. Bromhexine (25mg to 50mg per day)
4. Vitamins C (1000mg) and D (2000 u/d)

Early treatment

1. Zinc (75mg to 150mg per day)
2. Quercetin (500mg to 1500mg per day)
3. Bromhexine (50mg to 75mg per day)
4. Vitamins C (1000mg) and D (4000 u/d)

Ancillary (prescription only)

1. Hydroxychloroquine (400mg per day)
2. High-dose vitamin D (1x 100,000 IU)
3. Azithromycin (up to 500mg per day)
4. Heparin (usual dosage)

Note: Contraindications for HCQ (e.g. favism or heart disease) must be observed.

 

Addendum: Other prescription drugs with first reported successes in the early medical treatment of Covid-19 are ivermectin (read more) and favipiravir (read more).

 

Bromhexine seems originally derived from Adhatoda vasica. An Ayurvedic herb beside others, I use already against COPD.

Edited by pamojja, 29 September 2020 - 04:53 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

I've got some bromhexine in my first aid kit, but will be taking NAC per Dr Seheult (MedCram) which also thins mucus.  I'd like to avoid taking too many different therapeutics at once.  

 

My Top-Tier stack:

Lactoferrin (T-Cell support) prophylaxis.  Will discontinue this if I get sick to avoid over-stimulation of immune reaction.  

Quinine / cinchona bark (zinc ionophore, viral suppression, & immune modulation).   

Zinc. I have zinc acetate lozenges for oral viral suppression, as well as OptiZinc.

Bromelain (bradykinin suppression)

NAC (suppress oxidative stress / prevent clotting)  

 

I also have some:

famotidine

melatonin

thiamine & benfotiamine (part of MATH+)

nicotine gum & patches

low dose aspirin (anti-clotting)

low dose Vitamin-C (low dose so I can take it multiple times throughout the day without getting diarrhea)

 

And of course Vitamin-D 5000 IU/day

and Vitamin-E (anti-clotting)

 

Hoping to add some doxycycline to my kit soon!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 29 September 2020 - 07:35 PM.

[Colorow]

Veterinarian here.  Ivermectin is available otc as a 1% injectable for large animals.  Cheap.  I used the large animal version off label for small animals for over 10 years with zero problems and great efficacy.  Just a little math.  It was effective orally and subq (but stings). I do not know anything about the human formulation of ivermectin (worth some research) but DO NOT try the oral paste products for horses.  Easy to overdose a smaller mammal with the horse paste.  Of course I am speaking of your cat who could potentially get COVID :-)

[Dorian Grey]

Note to self...  Avoid the horse paste!  Seriously though, thanks for this.  I've been looking for a source for Ivermectin, as it does look like good stuff.  Don't have a dog though so hard to get access.  I wonder if the vet board is looking at large increases in Ivermectin prescriptions.  You could start a side hustle!  

 

Can't believe we're over half a year into this pandemic and still NO outpatient therapeutic.  I've read the vaccines are going to need Emergency Use Authorization, & in order to qualify for EUA, there must be "No adequate, approved, and available alternative".  Guess if they let doctors prescribe and something worked, this would throw a spanner in the gears of the vaccine machine.  Oh well, I've got my tree bark.  

 

Thanks again for the input! 

[Dorian Grey]

Was Bromhexine already mentioned? Seems prescription-free.

 

 

Bromhexine seems originally derived from Adhatoda vasica. An Ayurvedic herb beside others, I use already against COPD.

 

My apologies pamojja.  I gave bromhexine a quick google and it appeared to be a simple mucolytic.  I've got guaifenesin, not bromhexine.  Didn't realize bromhexine was a tmprss2 inhibitor!  

 

Dr Been has a great vid on this here: 

 

 

Impressive results!  I want some for my tool kit!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 30 September 2020 - 04:26 AM.

[smithx]

DO NOT try the oral paste products for horses.  Easy to overdose a smaller mammal with the horse paste. 

 

I have some of that paste (apple flavored) and it comes in a syringe with divisions that correspond to one (horse) dose. This seems fairly safe, no?

[lancebr]

I have some of that paste (apple flavored) and it comes in a syringe with divisions that correspond to one (horse) dose. This seems fairly safe, no?

 

The paste has the same active ingredients as the human pills...so there should be no problem using it.

 

Here is a video on how to dose out the paste:

 

 

Also, on Amazon where they sell the paste there are many reviews from years ago about people who took

the horse paste for things like scabies and they never had any issues using the horse paste.

 

I know that in some of the areas around my town there is already a shortage of the paste from feed supply stores.

People have been buying it up in case they need it since it is harder to get the human pills which require a prescription. 

 

I would have no second thoughts about taking the horse paste or giving it to my family members if any of us had Covid.

Edited by lancebr, 30 September 2020 - 07:26 AM.

[pamojja]

 

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Click here to see a web copy of this news release

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, September 27, 2020

Vitamin C Treatment of COVID-19: Case Reports by Andrew W. Saul and Doctor X

Many years ago, when I was first starting out in the natural healing field, a physician said to me, "You are lucky. You have no license to lose." When doctors are to be silenced, they are simply threatened with loss of their license to practice medicine. State licensing board attacks on physicians are private and administrative. Such proceedings never get to open court; they never get to a jury. It is all behind closed doors. The most effective instrument of compliance is a bureaucracy, not the judiciary.

And it works.

That is why I am publishing this series of 22 case reports from a board-certified specialist but without revealing the doctor’s name. I want this physician to keep being able to practice and heal sick people.

Read them and decide for yourself about the merits of vitamin C against COVID-19.

1. 47 y/o female with PMH (previous medical history) of anxiety, depression, hypothyroid presented with 11 day history of fatigue, dry cough, sore throat, muscle aches, SOB (shortness of breath), abdominal pain and loss of appetite. She tested positive for COVID and received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By day 3, fatigue, cough, SOB and appetite all improved.
2. 63 y/o AAF (African American female) with PMH of sickle cell trait presented with 10 day history of fatigue, dry cough, sore throat, fever, muscle aches, congestion, headache, SOB, nausea. Patient was COVID positive and received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 7.5/25/25 grams. By day 3, fever and headache resolved. Fatigue, cough, aches, and SOB all significantly improved. 
3. 35 y/o WM (white male) with PMH of HTN (hypertension, i.e. high blood pressure), high cholesterol, sleep apnea presented with 1 week of cough, DOE (dyspnea on exertion, i.e. gets out of breath with exercise), fatigue. Patient was COVID positive and received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By day 3, fever resolved, fatigue was improving, and cough and DOE significantly improved.
4. 36 y/o WM COVID positive with no PMH presented with 4 day history of dry cough, chills/sweats, SOB and headache. Patient received 3 days of 25 grams of IV Vitamin C. By day 3, cough was still present and patient did have a loss of taste and smell but otherwise had no complaints.
5. 66 y/o male COVID positive with PMH of asthma, DM (diabetes) HTN presented to the clinic with 9 days of fatigue, cough, body aches, sinus congestion, HA (headache), SOB, diarrhea, and loss of appetite. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of day 3, fatigue, SOB, cough improved slightly,  and his aches, congestion, diarrhea and HA resolved.
6. 30 y/o AAM (African American male) with PMH of HTN and DM presented with 2 week history of fatigue, sinus congestion, productive cough, SOB and loss of appetite. He tested positive for COVID the day before arriving to our clinic. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By day 3, fatigue and sinus congestion improved. His appetite was back to normal. Cough and SOB significantly improved and he was able to walk up stairs again.
7. 19 year old WF (white female) with no past medical  history.  She tested positive for COVID. Symptoms of fatigue and sinus congestion have been present for 1 day.  She completed 3 days of vitamin C IV, 25 grams.  On day 3 she had no symptoms except for slight loss in sense of smell and taste. 
8. A 19 year old WM with a history of asthma and pertussis as a child.  He tested positive for COVID.  He has been having symptoms of fatigue, dry cough, sore throat, muscle ache , sinus congestion, headache, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and loss of appetite for 4-5 days prior to visit.   He completed 3 days of vitamin C IV 25. By day 3 he had no symptoms and felt great. 
9. 67 y/o WM with PMH of diabetes and hypothyroid presented with symptoms for 1 month including fever, fatigue, cough, body aches and headache. He tested positive for COVID 1 week prior to his arrival to the clinic. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, his fever, headache and body aches resolved, and fatigue and cough significantly improved.
10. 60 y/o male with PMH of DM2 (diabetes type 2) presented with symptoms for 1 week. COVID positive. Symptoms included fever, fatigue, dry cough, muscle aches, congestion, headache, SOB, abdominal pain, and nausea. He also had chills/sweats and loss of taste and smell. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, his cough was slightly improved, headache was resolved, SOB improved, nausea improved, chills and sweats resolved, and taste and smell were coming back.
11. 59 y/o AAM with PMH of HTN and COVID positive presented with symptoms for 3 weeks. Included fever, fatigue, headache, SOB, chills and sweats. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, fever resolved, fatigue and SOB and cough were all improving.
12. 34 y/o WF with no PMH but COVID positive presented with 4 day history of back pain and HA that did resolve prior to her first IV. She completed 3 days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams and had no symptoms on day 3. 
13. 43 y/o AAF with PMH of endometriosis fibroids and b/l PE (bilateral pulmonary embolism, i.e. blood clots in lungs) and COVID positive presented with symptoms for 8 days. These included fatigue, dry cough, sore throat, mild SOB, diarrhea, chest pain with coughing. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, fatigue, cough and sore throat and chest pain resolved and patient reported feeling much better overall.
14. 38 y/o AAF with PMH of ADHD and COVID positive presented with 2 days of fatigue. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, her fatigue was improved and patient had no other symptoms.
15. 45 y/o AAF with PMH of hypercholesterolemia and CVA (cardiovascular attack i.e. stroke) and COVID positive presented with symptoms for 2.5 weeks. These included fatigue, cough, HA, SOB, nausea, chest tightness, loss of appetite. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, patient reported improvement in fatigue, cough, SOB. Nausea resolved. Chest tightness was minimal. 
16. 41 y/o WM with no PMH and COVID positive presented with 9 days of fatigue, dry cough, and headache. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, fatigue was improving, cough was minimal, and headache had resolved. 
17. A 67 y/o female with PMH of high cholesterol and COVID positive presented with 1 week of symptoms including fatigue, nausea, fever, and poor appetite. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, fever resolved and fatigue was improving.
18. A 65 y/o female with PMH of Hashimoto's disease, depression, and COVID positive presented with 2 weeks of fatigue, chest tightness, and poor appetite. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, chest tightness resolved and fatigue was improving and appetite was improving.
19. 31 y/o female with PMH of asthma, anemia, and allergies, and COVID positive presented with 1 week of fatigue, dry cough, congestion, and loss of smell. Patient received 3 consecutive days of IV Vitamin C 25 grams. By the end of the 3rd day, smell had returned, appetite was much improved, congestion resolved, and fatigue resolved. Cough also resolved.
20. A 67 year old WM with past medical history of kidney stones.  He tested positive for COVID.  He started with symptoms of fever and fatigue. He completed 3 days of vitamin C IV, 25 grams.  By day 3 symptoms had improved and he was back to 95%.
21. A 38 year old WF with no past medical history.  She tested positive for COVID. She started with symptoms of  fatigue, dry cough, sore throat, muscle ache, sinus congestion and headache that have been present for 2 days prior to her appointment.  She completed 3 days of vitamin C IV 25 grams. By day 3 She felt much better and only had a mild sore throat and PND (Paroxysmal nocturnal dyspnea, i.e. difficulty breathing at night).
22. A 42 year old WM with no past medical history. Tested positive for COVID.  Symptoms started 10 days ago.  He started with fever and body aches.  He also developed nasal congestion, dizziness, PND and difficulty taking deep breaths.   He completed 3 days of vitamin C IV 25.  By day 3 he felt much better. He still had some fatigue and mild congestion, but overall he felt much better.  He is now able to take deep breaths without problems.

To sum up: Virtually all the above COVID patients received 25,000 mg of vitamin C intravenously for three days. They all recovered, and many recovered with spectacular rapidity. This information is being censored by the commercial news media. It is being kept off Facebook, Twitter, Google and YouTube. That is why OMNS has issued this release. As A. J. Liebling said decades ago, "Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one."

Withholding vitamin C treatment information from the public withholds it from the patient. We accuse the media of negligence. They can correct this at any time.

Until they do, we will do it for them.

To learn more: Several dozen articles related to vitamin therapy for COVID are posted for free access at http://orthomolecula...mns/index.shtml . Many are available in French, Spanish, German, Arabic, Italian, Korean, Chinese, and Norwegian. Japanese translations may be found at https://isom-japan.org/top_after .

 

[Colorow]

I have some of that paste (apple flavored) and it comes in a syringe with divisions that correspond to one (horse) dose. This seems fairly safe, 

The concern is that the ivermectin is unevenly dispersed in the paste due to settling or lack of mixing.  For small mammal use the 1% ivermectin injectable is much more consistent for dosing purposes.  If I was going to dose a very valuable 120 lb Great Dane With horse paste, I would decant the paste, mix again and calculate an exact dose by weight rather than trusting notches on a paste gun.  Just sayin if it is really
, really important not to overdose the Dane.  
 

Fortunately the range of safety with regards to ivermectin is pretty wide in small animals but there HAVE been instances of toxicity using horse paste.  I also recall (no I don’t have the citation) a study of ivermectin use in an elderly nursing home population for scabies showing an increase in death post treatment.  There is species variability for toxicity.  If it is important to dose accurately then the formulation should lead itself to accurate dowsing for animals smaller than a horse.  Paste in a paste gun does not lead to accurate dosing despite being the same medication.
 

[Gal220]

Can't believe we're over half a year into this pandemic and still NO outpatient therapeutic. 

 

You missed it !   Fauci let slip the vitamin D and C magic he should have been talking about 6 months ago.

 

Few opinions a little more informed than Fauci

 

Consensus Protocol Linkedin - emphasis on Vit C 500mg-2g x4 , vitamin d loading 12k IU 2 weeks then 4000IU, zinc 25-50mg, Quercetin 500-1000mg.  Long list of tertiary supplements.

East Virginia medical school - 500mg vit c, 250mg quercetin, melatonin .3mg-2mg, vit d 1000-3000 IU, Famotidine 20-40mg

Stop Covid Cold - Vitamin D testing to get to 60ng/ml, k2, magnesium, metabolic flexibility(work on getting sugar to 80 after few hours food - exercise/diet), quercetin, zinc, omegas

 

I like your inclusion of bromelain(can combo with quercetin like Dr. Best), only thing Ive seen with some kind of real evidence that is easily obtainable.  A mushroom extract probably also a good idea.

 

 

From medpagetoday.com (hard to know if its the bromelain , quercetin, c or the combo working)

 

"The signal from the SARS-CoV-1 study led researcher Hasan Önal, MD, and co-authors to conduct an open-label randomized control trial in Turkey examining quercetin's role in COVID-19. In the trial, 95 patients with COVID-19 are receiving a 1,000-mg active treatment dose and 113 healthcare workers are receiving a 500-mg dose as prophylaxis. In both treatment arms, quercetin is administered with vitamin C and bromelain, a supplement extracted from pineapples that is used for burns or inflammation. However, there is no active comparator or placebo group in the trial "

 

As of March, no COVID-19 cases were recorded among healthcare workers taking prophylactic quercetin and no deaths were observed among patients with COVID-19 on quercetin treatment, Önal told MedPage Today in an email"

[Dorian Grey]

I saw the news Fauci said he was taking C & D.  The real face-palm came a couple days later when he was asked about it again in the context of this perhaps being a wise practice during the pandemic.  

 

Forget vitamins: Fauci says the 3 best things 'to keep your immune system working optimally' cost nothing

 

https://www.business...ns-sleep-2020-9

 

"Dr. Anthony Fauci is, at this point in the pandemic, getting used to having his words twisted around into things he never really said."

 

He did concede "For some people, adding a little extra vitamin D might make sense" but he seemed to make clear he is not advocating any supplements for COVID.  

 

Bottom line?  NO vitamins, NO supplements, NO hydroxychloroquine, NO ivermectin, famotidine, bromhexine, melatonin...  NOTHING!  

 

Just isolate & take Tylenol, and call 911 if you start turning blue; well give you a Hail Mary dose of remdesivir as you circle the drain. 

 

This is state of the art, 21st Century medicine folks!  

[kurdishfella]

I would avoid tylenol and similar drugs https://www.newscien...e-things-worse/

[lancebr]

Fortunately the range of safety with regards to ivermectin is pretty wide in small animals but there HAVE been instances of toxicity using horse paste.  I also recall (no I don’t have the citation) a study of ivermectin use in an elderly nursing home population for scabies showing an increase in death post treatment.  There is species variability for toxicity.  If it is important to dose accurately then the formulation should lead itself to accurate dowsing for animals smaller than a horse.  Paste in a paste gun does not lead to accurate dosing despite being the same medication.
 

 

I think you are referring to a study done in the 1990's that has not been able to be reproduced and has been criticized

for its results.

 

https://www.scienced...473309918303475

 

"A suggested link between oral ivermectin treatment for scabies and excess deaths in elderly people in a much criticized

1997 study²⁹ has not been reproduced.¹² Ivermectin has an extremely good safety profile in mass drug administration

programmes for filariasis and onchocerciasis.³⁰ In settings where scabies prevalence is of epidemic proportions,

oral ivermectin seems more effective than topical therapy."

 

And here is another report discussing that initial study:

 

https://www.thelance...(05)62377-X.pdf

 

 

 

 

Edited by lancebr, 01 October 2020 - 02:03 PM.

[Mind]

I think you are referring to a study done in the 1990's that has not been able to be reproduced and has been criticized

for its results.

 

https://www.scienced...473309918303475

 

"A suggested link between oral ivermectin treatment for scabies and excess deaths in elderly people in a much criticized

1997 study²⁹ has not been reproduced.¹² Ivermectin has an extremely good safety profile in mass drug administration

programmes for filariasis and onchocerciasis.³⁰ In settings where scabies prevalence is of epidemic proportions,

oral ivermectin seems more effective than topical therapy."

 

And here is another report discussing that initial study:

 

https://www.thelance...(05)62377-X.pdf

 

Of course, another drug with an extremely good safety profile over the course of many decades is HCQ, then all of a sudden this year it became the most dangerous drug ever (to paraphrase mainstream media outlets).

[kurdishfella]

https://apnews.com/a...09667ac6b9227ff

 

 

 

........An international team of researchers found that in some people with severe COVID-19, the body goes rogue and attacks one of its own key immune defenses instead of fighting the coronavirus. Most were men, helping to explain why the virus is hitting men harder than women.......

And separate research suggests that children fare better than adults thanks to robust “first responder” immune cells that wane with age.............All these findings beg for a deeper understanding of the myriad ways some people can be more susceptible than others...

 

[Colorow]

I think you are referring to a study done in the 1990's that has not been able to be reproduced and has been criticized

for its results.

 

https://www.scienced...473309918303475

 

"A suggested link between oral ivermectin treatment for scabies and excess deaths in elderly people in a much criticized

1997 study²⁹ has not been reproduced.¹² Ivermectin has an extremely good safety profile in mass drug administration

programmes for filariasis and onchocerciasis.³⁰ In settings where scabies prevalence is of epidemic proportions,

oral ivermectin seems more effective than topical therapy."

 

And here is another report discussing that initial study:

 

https://www.thelance...(05)62377-X.pdf

Yes and good to hear.  Also interesting about the oral efficacy in humans.  In all my years of treating small animals I never saw a reaction but the above study did rattle around in my head....and with COVID it has rattled more, thanks!

[Daniel Cooper]

I saw the news Fauci said he was taking C & D.  The real face-palm came a couple days later when he was asked about it again in the context of this perhaps being a wise practice during the pandemic.  

 

Forget vitamins: Fauci says the 3 best things 'to keep your immune system working optimally' cost nothing

 

https://www.business...ns-sleep-2020-9

 

"Dr. Anthony Fauci is, at this point in the pandemic, getting used to having his words twisted around into things he never really said."

 

He did concede "For some people, adding a little extra vitamin D might make sense" but he seemed to make clear he is not advocating any supplements for COVID.  

 

Bottom line?  NO vitamins, NO supplements, NO hydroxychloroquine, NO ivermectin, famotidine, bromhexine, melatonin...  NOTHING!  

 

Just isolate & take Tylenol, and call 911 if you start turning blue; well give you a Hail Mary dose of remdesivir as you circle the drain. 

 

This is state of the art, 21st Century medicine folks!  

 

I notice that no one is hawking the wonders of remdesivir in the media anymore.  When it comes to the billion dollar wonder drug suddenly it's crickets.  Wonder why?

[Dorian Grey]

I notice that no one is hawking the wonders of remdesivir in the media anymore.  When it comes to the billion dollar wonder drug suddenly it's crickets.  Wonder why?

 

Remdesivir is a viral replication inhibitor, yet they withhold treatment until long after viral load has peaked and cytokine/bradykinin storms are well underway.  Then they wonder why they're not seeing the results shown in the theoretical action on paper.  It may be someone has finally figured this out.  

 

Can't wait to see if things mysteriously change after the election, or if the vaccine trials don't go exactly as planned.  I must confess, I'm feeling a bit of schadenfreude every time I read about setbacks with containment or adverse events with the vaccines.  We need an outpatient therapeutic!  Throw us a frickin' bone here Fauci!  

[lancebr]

Looks like Ivermectin is becoming more popular, in other countries, to use against Covid:

 

https://dominicantod...ith-ivermectin/

 

 

Interesting Article;

 

https://www.thecompl...y1pR4ywa3yqD08s

 

 

Edited by lancebr, 02 October 2020 - 04:01 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

My God!  I've been following Dr Been, Dr Masterjohn, Dr Martenson, & a host of others for over half a year now, but have never seen a more powerful video than this one: 

 

 

JUMP TO MINUTE 8:00 to bypass the bloviating, or click here: https://youtu.be/aSJRyYf01H8?t=480

 

It gets more intriguing as the video progresses. Jump to minute 24:30 if you're short on time.  Dr Martenson goes in for the kill at 27:30 to 47:00.  Twenty minutes that will change the way you look at COVID management in the USA.

 

There truly is a Dr Evil, & he's calling the shots at the NIH / NIAID / FDA / CDC.  I've been both amused and bemused about the conspiracy theories regarding the suppression of outpatient therapeutics in the USA, but not anymore.  The evidence is beyond overwhelming at this point.  Redrum...  REDRUM!  Will anyone in power call these clowns out?  How do I contact Rand Paul?  

 

See this now before google deletes it!  HOT STUFF!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 02 October 2020 - 05:19 AM.

[lancebr]

I was just watching the national news talking about the President testing positive for Covid

and they just had one of their so-called specialist doctors on and he said there is nothing

at this point that can be given to the President to either slow down or stop the virus from

continuing or potentially progressing to get worse for him.

 

Do these people not know about the studies on Ivermectin or Doxycyline that show that both

are working pretty good?

 

Jut makes you wonder what the deal is with some of these doctors and if they really want to save lives.

Edited by lancebr, 02 October 2020 - 05:33 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

Medical bureaucrats don't treat patients, they study & ponder epidemics.  Dr Zelenko actually treats patients.  I believe Trump already has his phone number.  The first 48 hours are critical. Early treatment works!  It will be interesting to see if Fauci lets him die, or says: "well, there are a few things we might try".  

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC1232869/

Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread

Edited by Dorian Grey, 02 October 2020 - 05:54 AM.

[Gal220]

Medical bureaucrats don't treat patients, they study & ponder epidemics.  Dr Zelenko actually treats patients.  I believe Trump already has his phone number.  The first 48 hours are critical. Early treatment works!  It will be interesting to see if Fauci lets him die, or says: "well, there are a few things we might try".  

 

Apparently one of those things is an experimental anti-body treatment...

[Dorian Grey]

Apparently one of those things is an experimental anti-body treatment...

 

 https://www.dailymai...TIVE-COVID.html

 

"He has also been given zinc, vitamin D, famotidine, melatonin and a daily asprin".  Hey, you think his doc has been reading our thread?  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 02 October 2020 - 08:47 PM.

[lancebr]

They should try Ivermectin and Doxycyline since it seem to be working good in other countries.

 

[Dorian Grey]

They should try Ivermectin and Doxycyline since it seem to be working good in other countries.

 

That would be too easy.  Medicine in America is supposed to be complicated & expensive, utilizing only new drugs (that frequently don't work as well as the old ones).  Perhaps they'll study it a bit next year though, while we all get our vaccines that will be required if we wish to leave our homes.