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[lancebr]

Researchers say the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine may help protect against COVID-19.

 

In a new study researchers found that people with higher levels of mumps antibodies tended to have less

severe cases of Covid 19.

 

 

https://mbio.asm.org...605819311#sec-6

 

 

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Edited by lancebr, 27 November 2020 - 06:51 AM.

[pamojja]

Interesting. Had mumps and measels as a kid.

[Mind]

Maybe Zalenko is right and HCQ deniers are mass murderers.  

 

HCQ + zinc + azithromycin - 84% fewer hospitalizations for patients - Nov 25

 

Marik never figured out the HCQ combo at the East Virginia Medical School(recommends against it), but he was already using Ivermectin before the studies in Peru convinced him he should be using more of it.

 

Interesting also that Zalenko doesnt appear to use aspirin(or natto), vitamin D, C, or selenium.  Maybe he could have increased his 84%.

 

Really sad it is 2020 and this kind of thing is still so elusive to the medical community.   If the 84% is legit, how could the WHO and others claim to have missed this data point?

 

"Mass murderers".

 

This seems like an extreme position taken by Zelenko but as time goes on, I suspect more people will come to this conclusion.

 

We now have RCT trials (and multiple retrospective studies) proving vitamin D3, Ivermectin, and early treatment with HCQ+antibiotic+zinc are very beneficial in treating COVID-19 patients.

 

Other studies show benefits with other essential nutrients, micronutrients, and methods to control inflammatory response.

 

This data (treatments that work) should be all over the news. Health bureaucrats should be promoting further study and treatment with these protocols in order to save lives.

 

They are not. There is a complete blackout in the US national news outlets. Why?

 

Instead of reporting the good news, just the opposite is happening. Remember when the Henry Ford Clinic published positive news about HCQ treatment? Instead of this news being heralded and used as a foundation to study further, the doctors at the clinic were harassed into silence. Highly disturbing. Who is doing this? What is their motive?

 

Some people say it has to do with money. The (forced) vaccines will be a huge windfall for some of the world's largest corporations and richest people. The current treatments that have been proven to work will not bring in much profit. The money theory seems as good as any as to why so many health bureaucrats refuse any discussion of treatments.

[Dorian Grey]

I think we've learned from the HCQ wars: "resistance is futile...  You will be vaccinated". 

 

Problem is, most if not all vaccines so far only prevent COVID morbidity and not infection or transmission.  What we'll actually be creating is an army of silent superspreaders that will continue to transmit plague.  Those who get the jab will survive.  Others may suffer dreadfully.  

 

I'm hoping once the vaccines get their Emergency Use Authorization, doctors will be allowed to start treating patients before they go critical.  The vaccine EUA requires there is no readily available alternative, so until then...  No Ivermectin for YOU!  

[Gal220]

How badly has Covid been exaggerated?

 

This John Hopkins page was taken down, but several sites picked up on it

 

"In other words, the effect of COVID-19 on deaths in the U.S. is considered problematic only when it increases the total number of deaths or the true death burden by a significant amount in addition to the expected deaths by other causes. Since the crude number of total deaths by all causes before and after COVID-19 has stayed the same, one can hardly say, in Briand's view, that COVID-19 deaths are concerning."

 

 

In my office we have had 5 cases, 4 of them were people over age 50.  None of them went to the hospital, one was even a smoker.  All of them have returned back to work.

[Dorian Grey]

I'm not particularly concerned with death, but I don't wan't to live out the last decade or so of my life with pulmonary fibrosis or cardiac issues.  We don't have good data yet on what percentage of the survivors might be dealing with this, but the "long haulers" present a spooky picture.  

 

My horse paste is looking tasty (apple flavor!).  I may try prophylaxis if the Holiday surge continues to climb.  

[bladedmind]

Ivermectin is effective for COVID-19: meta analysis of 19 studies

 

 

•Ivermectin is effective for COVID-19. 100% of studies report positive effects. The probability that an ineffective treatment generated results as positive as the 19 studies to date is estimated to be 1 in 524 thousand (p = 0.0000019).

•Early treatment is most successful, with an estimated reduction of 91% in the effect measured using a random effects meta-analysis, RR 0.09 [0.02-0.40].

•100% of the 8 Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs) report positive effects, with an estimated reduction of 72% in the effect measured using a random effects meta-analysis, RR 0.28 [0.13-0.59].

 

[Dorian Grey]

Ivermectin is effective for COVID-19: meta analysis of 19 studies

 

Thanksgiving was yesterday bladedmind, but slack shall be cut for you as your message is so uplifting.  

 

Can't believe the defining silence in the scientific, medical & media communities.  Los Angeles has gone back into full lockdown / stay at home, and a tidal wave is appearing on the horizon that may flood the entire nation.  A fine mess!  Can't help but wonder if ignoring this therapeutic will go down in history as the greatest medical blunder of all time.  Something to tell the grandkids about.  

 

Oh well...  I've got my horsey sauce, & doxycycline arrived in the post from overseas pharmacy today. 

 

Many thanks to all the amateur plague doctors who've brought us this far.  For all you do, We Salute YOU! 

 

A celebration is in order...  Plague doctors arise!   

 

Edited by Dorian Grey, 28 November 2020 - 04:44 AM.

[lancebr]

I remember months back when first hearing about that test tube study of Ivermectin killing the virus

and the researchers/doctors online were saying that it wouldn't work because you would need to

take massive amounts of it which would be dangerous,

 

Now we see that just normal dosages, like used for scabies, can be effective against the virus.

 

Good thing I didn't listen to them "specialists" back then and bought up my Ivermectin paste and pills.

 

Also got my doxycycline too. Hoptfully won't have to use any of it.

Edited by lancebr, 28 November 2020 - 03:24 PM.

[lancebr]

Interesting video by Dr. John Campbell

 

 

If this theory is correct....just think of the number of people that could have been saved by just getting an MMR shot

Edited by lancebr, 28 November 2020 - 08:31 PM.

[smithx]

This was already fairly convincingly demonstrated months ago.

 

I got a MMR vaccine in Apri I think, should schedule a booster (two taken more than a month apart produce the largest antibody response).

 

 

Researchers say the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine may help protect against COVID-19.

 

In a new study researchers found that people with higher levels of mumps antibodies tended to have less

severe cases of Covid 19.

 

 

https://mbio.asm.org...605819311#sec-6

 

 

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[smithx]

Clinical trial results of ivermectin and carageenan nasal spray as a COVID-19 prophylaxis.

 

https://clinicaltria...lts/NCT04425850

 

131 in the intervention group (who got the drugs) - 0 cases of COVID-19

98 in the control group - 11.2% got COVID-19

 

 

[bladedmind]

Entirety of New York Times 2020 coverage of Ivermectin and Covid-19.

 

Ivermectin is a Russian disinformation plot:

https://www.nytimes....owa-caucus.html

Tiresome and sleazy details here: 

https://conspiracymi...cure-for-covid/

 

As of Nov 21, 2020, first and only mention  in NYT Coronavirus Drug and Treatment Tracker (Oct 13, 2020):

https://www.nytimes....treatments.html

 

As of now, there’s no firm evidence that it works. The NIH Covid-19 treatment guidelines recommend against the use of ivermectin for the disease, except in a clinical trial. Nevertheless ivermectin is being prescribed increasingly often in Latin America, much to the distress of disease experts.

 

 

New York Times:  Putin tries to poison Americans with horse paste!  Loco Latins foolishly attempt to save lives without Yankee drug lobbyists' approval! 

 

By the way, NYT misrepresents the source it cites:  much to the distress of disease experts.  Does this sound like major distress to you?

The discovery of ivermectin’s activity against SARS-CoV-2 gives reason for hope, but off-label and compassionate use requires careful risk–benefit considerations,27 especially in critically ill patients. A path to consider is evaluation first of impacts on virologic outcomes in uncomplicated, low-risk patients early in the course of the disease. Well-conducted clinical trials informed by robust pharmacokinetic models should be considered to validate the impact before the use of ivermectin to treat SARS-CoV-2 is implemented.

Just what the Latin Americans were initially doing.

 

For accurate coronavirus news, visit https://www.longecit...ents-therapies/

[Gal220]

Maybe most of Longecity has been immune from the start  - Resveratrol anti-viral 

[albedo]

I have met cyclodextrins in the context of drug delivery and lipids lowering in cardiovascular disease. Here is a company reportedly patenting an oral alpha-cyclodexrin (GRAS), a food ingredient based formulation reducing serum phospholipids needed by the SARS-Cov-2 and other viruses to enter the cell via endocytosis:

http://www.asdera.co...-nutrition.html

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[Dorian Grey]

I have met cyclodextrins in the context of drug delivery and lipids lowering in cardiovascular disease. Here is a company reportedly patenting an oral alpha-cyclodexrin (GRAS), a food ingredient based formulation reducing serum phospholipids needed by the SARS-Cov-2 and other viruses to enter the cell via endocytosis:

http://www.asdera.co...-nutrition.html

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"reducing serum phospholipids needed by the SARS-Cov-2 and other viruses to enter the cell via endocytosis"

 

This would seem to indicate avoiding dietary (eggs) or supplemental phospholipids (lecithin) might be wise for the duration of the pandemic.  

 

As the bulk of viral replication occurs before symptoms even occur, it would be a bit late to halt consumption of these only once you became ill.  

[bladedmind]

UC San Diego Health researchers recently reported that statins -- widely used cholesterol-lowering medications -- are associated with reduced risk of developing severe COVID-19 disease, as well as faster recovery times. A second research team at UC San Diego School of Medicine has uncovered evidence that helps explains why: In short, removing cholesterol from cell membranes prevents the coronavirus from getting in. 

 

EVMS Protocol

Optional. Atorvastatin 80 mg/day. Statins have pleotropic anti-inflammatory, immunomodulatory, antibacterial, and antiviral effects. In addition, statins decrease expression of PAI-1. Simvastatin has been demonstrated to reduce mortality in the hyper-inflammatory ARDS phenotype. [194] Preliminary data suggests atorvastatin may improve outcome in patients with COVID-19.[195-199] Due to numerous drug-drug interactions simvastatin should be avoided.

 

[albedo]

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This would seem to indicate avoiding dietary (eggs) or supplemental phospholipids (lecithin) might be wise for the duration of the pandemic.  

 

As the bulk of viral replication occurs before symptoms even occur, it would be a bit late to halt consumption of these only once you became ill.  

 

Was thinking the same, it looks to me logical if they are right with the model.

[Mind]

I have met cyclodextrins in the context of drug delivery and lipids lowering in cardiovascular disease. Here is a company reportedly patenting an oral alpha-cyclodexrin (GRAS), a food ingredient based formulation reducing serum phospholipids needed by the SARS-Cov-2 and other viruses to enter the cell via endocytosis:

http://www.asdera.co...-nutrition.html

cyclodextrins.PNG

 

For more on the use of cyclodextrins to combat disease - particularly age-related disease - listen to my interview with one of the founders of Underdog on the podcast page - Dr. Matthew O'Connor. https://www.longecity.org/podcast/

[smithx]

Proton pump inhibitor use is associated with increased risk of severity and mortality from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) infection

https://www.dldjourn...0930-0/fulltext

[Heisok]

Any various ideas about sourcing Ivermectin?

 

This person has put themselves in a position that odds are pretty high that they will at some point be exposed in passing. They are not worried, just considering prophylaxys.

 

They already take D3, Zinc, Hesperidin, Vitamin C, Diosmin, Quercetin/Bromelain, SAMe, plenty of Potassium/Sodium/Magnesium, NMN in addition to other things.

 

Thanks.

[Dorian Grey]

Any various ideas about sourcing Ivermectin?

 

This person has put themselves in a position that odds are pretty high that they will at some point be exposed in passing. They are not worried, just considering prophylaxys.

 

They already take D3, Zinc, Hesperidin, Vitamin C, Diosmin, Quercetin/Bromelain, SAMe, plenty of Potassium/Sodium/Magnesium, NMN in addition to other things.

 

Thanks.

 

Veterinary grade equine (horse) ivermectin has been known to be used off label for "other animals".  

 

I've got some "Farnam Ivercare" ivermectin paste (made in USA) for my little pony.  You need a 1cc TB / insulin syringe (without the needle) to accurately measure smaller doses.  Most pharmacies will sell these (1cc syringes) without the needle.  My pharmacist gave me one when I told him I needed to give my cat some medicine.  

 

The equine 1.87% paste contains 2mg ivermectin for every tenth of a cc, so 0.6cc would equal 12mg ivermectin, which is the standard dose for a 200 pound pony.  I pull the plunger out of the 1cc syringe & fill it from the back from the Ivercare syringe.  

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[Colorow]

Veterinarian here.  If I were buying for a 200 lb or a 125 lb small animal I would (this was routine in my practice for dogs/cats) purchase the 1% injectable.  It can be utilized orally and is much more accurate to dose.  The concern with dosing small animals with paste is that the ivermectin may not be distributed evenly through out the paste via settling or during manufacturing and under/over doses are possible.  At a minimum decant the paste and mix it thoroughly (perhaps with a color indicator to ensure such).  

[Dorian Grey]

Veterinarian here.  If I were buying for a 200 lb or a 125 lb small animal I would (this was routine in my practice for dogs/cats) purchase the 1% injectable.  It can be utilized orally and is much more accurate to dose.  The concern with dosing small animals with paste is that the ivermectin may not be distributed evenly through out the paste via settling or during manufacturing and under/over doses are possible.  At a minimum decant the paste and mix it thoroughly (perhaps with a color indicator to ensure such).  

 

Thanks for this Colorow.  How do you calculate the dosing of the 1% solution?  How many mg/cc?  

[Colorow]

Please do the research yourself but 1% solution is 10 mg/ml.  If your target is 12 mg (and I have not looked up any dosing schedules for ivermectin) then 12 mg divided by 10mg/ml = 1.2 ml 

 

We used to use a dose of .1ml ivermectin 1%/10 lbs in small animals for scabies treatment.  Nobody use this dose please without verifying, I am doing this off the top of my head and it has been awhile.  So a 120 lb dog would get 1.2 ml subq (but orally works as well). I am uncertain of other dosing and have zero experience with human dosing.  I am very worried about people using horse paste tho.  The human nature of more is better as well as inaccuracy in dosing......  I HAVE seen dog over doses from people using horse paste. 

 

My ex husband lol over dosed some rescue parakeets (I know, not applicable but pretty funny) who ended up paralyzed for weeks.  They actually lived, eating while laying on the bottom of the cage, and recovered, but I would not want to see any such over dose again particularly in a high value animal.  

 

 

mg/ml = mg/cc as 1 milliliter equals 1 cubic centimeter

 

[Dorian Grey]

EXPONENTIAL GROWTH (of ivermectin data.  100% positive)

 

 

Edited by Dorian Grey, 04 December 2020 - 05:34 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

Looks like we might be able to get the real deal, human IVM tabs here: 

 

https://www.unitedpharmacies.md/

 

Looks like they are currently sold out (available in 7-14 days).  Pre-order available.  

 

You may need bitcoin.  I can give a bitcoin tutorial if needed.  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 04 December 2020 - 06:25 AM.

[lancebr]

I have noticed that some places still have Ivermectin in stock. 

 

The pharmacy in India that I have used in the past got several different mg in stock, so it looks

like there hasn't started to be a run on it yet....like there was back when hydroxychloroquine had shortages.

 

 

[Dorian Grey]

Astonishing silence around IVM.  Youtube isn't censoring, FDA isn't banning sales, nothing in the news.  

 

With the holiday super-surge going on & a remarkable flow of positive data, I can't help but think this will bust wide open soon.  

 

Will be interesting to see how it is handled.  Perhaps now that Trump is on the ropes, any and all therapies will be embraced?  

 

2020 is over, Trump is gone, and the crisis has passed.  Praise the Lord, we're saved!  Thanks Joe!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 04 December 2020 - 08:41 AM.

[lancebr]

I think most people are pinning their hopes on the vaccines and not even thinking about treatments.

 

Several people I have talked to in the past month have said they really aren't worried about it any more

since they heard that the vaccines will be coming out next year. 

 

On a different subject, I find it fascinating how some people react to other people not wearing mask.

This video is hillarious and I love the woman's comment at the end.

 

 

 

Edited by lancebr, 04 December 2020 - 08:59 AM.