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[JohnBoyTheGreat]

Thanks for all the new info, Abelard Lindsay. I'm going to offer a few short comments, because I've had a bit of an upset in my life and I don't really have the time to spend on Longecity at the moment as I would like. Due to local politics, I've been abruptly made mayor of my small town in the midst of a significant debate that affects my small town and the future of a couple hundred thousand people. This right after three weeks of flu, and starting spring term at university, I'm necessarily exhausted....

 

Speaking of the "flu" I had... It was suspiciously similar to COVID-19. About the only symptoms I didn't have were fever and coughing up blood.

 

However, I have been taking METHYLENE BLUE frequently, though not necessarily daily, and have been taking over-the-counter migraine medicine daily, which reduces fever and so may have masked that symptom if it was mild.

 

My physician believed that I had symptoms close enough to COVID-19 that I was tested...and it came up negative.

 

However, I wonder. I didn't get into the doctor's office until I started to have severe breathing problems, which only happened when I QUIT taking METHYLENE BLUE for a few days out of concern that it was causing kidney pain. However, I had taken again the night before my doctor's visit because of my breathing problems. Two days after testing, I felt great again.

 

So I wonder if I did have COVID-19, but the amount of METHYLENE BLUE I'm taking cleaned it out of my system, perhaps?

 

The COVID-19 swab test only screens for virus genetic material. If the virus was destroyed by the METHYLENE BLUE in my system, then the only way to know for sure would be an antibody test, which isn't available yet. I'm really curious, and would like to take one if get the opportunity.

 

Anyway, to make a long story short, this is anecdotal evidence, but I'll summarize my own experience in some bullet points:

 

• I experienced a serious bout of illness with flu-like symptoms, which was mild except for severe breathing issues.
• The illness lasted about three weeks. I have a compromised immune system, chronic bronchitis, and asthma.
• I had no noticeable fever, but I took headache medication daily, which reduces fever.
• I did have chills a couple days before the end of my illness.
• Between the chills and severe breathing problems, I finally gave in and saw my doctor.
• I saw the doctor on a Monday, so over the weekend I took METHYLENE BLUE on one or both days, to help with the breathing problems.
• METHYLENE BLUE is so effective for breathing problems that I probably wouldn't have had to see the doctor had I not stopped it out of concern for my kidneys, which were in pain.
• The kidney pain doesn't appear to be related to the METHYLENE BLUE. It went away, despite my increased dose of METHYLENE BLUE for breathing issues.
• In fact, I think the "kidney pain" may be related to sitting for extended hours in front of my computer, which I've done a lot more recently due to school and civic duty.
• Bottom line: METHYLENE BLUE is fantastic for breathing issues.
• METHYLENE BLUE also relieves some of my symptoms related to sleep apnea, which are in turn related to hypoxia (lack of oxygen).
• When I am tested at the doctor's office for blood O2 levels at each visit, whenever I have not used my CPAP device for sleep apnea, my O2 levels are consistently low.
• When I have an illness which affects my lungs, I simply can't use the CPAP device. However, even though I went without it for weeks, when I was tested at the doctor's office, my levels were high.
• This suggests to me that METHYLENE BLUE can help protect the body from a state of hypoxia.
• My wife had the same illness as I did, and she also took METHYLENE BLUE. She recovered even faster than I did, but she's in better health too.
• She immediately noticed the help that it gave her with breathing, as well as the boost it gave her in energy.
• We think most of the family had the same illness, but they are all young and healthy, and only my eldest bothered trying METHYLENE BLUE, and that only for a short time while having breathing issues.

 

When I first started looking at METHYLENE BLUE, it was for skin aging. I had no idea that it could be useful for lung or breathing issues. After researching it here, I learned that it may act as a nootropic, which is why I purchased some and started to take it.

 

The ability of METHYLENE BLUE to help my breathing and O2 levels has been a welcome and unexpected surprise. I think this substance has been seriously undervalued by the medical and health community. The fairly high does I take costs me about $0.008, less than a penny a dose, but it has arguably been the most effective supplement I've ever taken.

 

METHYLENE BLUE also gives me a lot more energy than I had before. Having severe sleep apnea and a genetic resistance to the effects of caffeine, my sleep doctor prescribed me NUVIGIL, which I've taken for years now. I highly recommend it. I've tested myself many times, and NUVIGIL consistently speeds up my ability to play Sudoku by about 30%. (Okay, so it's not the greatest measure or double-blind, but I've tracked myself over thousands of games.)

 

The reason I mention the NUVIGIL is that I stop taking it for days at a time to give my body a rest. I've discovered that METHYLENE BLUE gives me roughly the same level of energy, but it's longer-lasting and it seems to be having some long-term effects. I'm less tired than usual (except for the past few days as a new Mayor), and other people notice my new energy. My wife thought I had taken NUVIGIL before bedtime one evening not too long ago, which would have been stupid. I hadn't taken NUVIGIL in days, but realized I had taken a shot of METHYLENE BLUE about an hour beforehand. Since then, I've paid more attention to the effect, and it is significant.

 

Taking METHYLENE BLUE and NUVIGIL together doesn't make a discernible difference to me. Either one works great. Combined they just work as well, for energy, as the other does.

 

My son, who is 21, has breathing problems as well. He hasn't noticed much of an effect, but hasn't really tried it much when experiencing problems. I suspect it is most effective in those who are suffering an O2 deficit. Since he's a massive strongman, working to set our state's record, I suspect his O2 levels are fine and he won't see much benefit unless he starts to experience breathing problems. I'm trying to convince him to use it while working out to see if it increases his exercise duration. Strangely enough, METHYLENE BLUE is approved for use by powerlifters and strongmen even during competition. I bet it wouldn't be approved if they knew how well it helps with O2 levels...

 

For those who might be concerned, the dose I take each day is so strong that if you spilled it on your clothing, you would have to learn to live with your new blue clothes. I've stained the cutting board in our kitchen more than once already. Despite that, it hasn't stained my mouth, lips, tongue, teeth, or my long white facial hair.

 

Another individual on here mentioned a slight staining. I wonder if the form of METHYLENE BLUE makes the difference. I'm taking the trihydrate form. Maybe the anhydrous form is more potent as a dye. All I know is that it hasn't stained anything on me but dead skin (in my attempt at lotion, which I have yet to follow up on).

 

Well, I've written a short book, so have fun and I'll check back when I can. I need sleep now.

 

[xEva]

JohnBoyTheGreat, you did write a short book! One thing is missing and that's your dose of MB. Even if you go by concentration (dark like a think ink, it sounds), how much of this you take? A drop, two or a teaspoon? And then how often, once a day, twice, what?
 

[orion22]

Thanks for all the new info, Abelard Lindsay. I'm going to offer a few short comments, because I've had a bit of an upset in my life and I don't really have the time to spend on Longecity at the moment as I would like. Due to local politics, I've been abruptly made mayor of my small town in the midst of a significant debate that affects my small town and the future of a couple hundred thousand people. This right after three weeks of flu, and starting spring term at university, I'm necessarily exhausted....

 

Speaking of the "flu" I had... It was suspiciously similar to COVID-19. About the only symptoms I didn't have were fever and coughing up blood.

 

However, I have been taking METHYLENE BLUE frequently, though not necessarily daily, and have been taking over-the-counter migraine medicine daily, which reduces fever and so may have masked that symptom if it was mild.

 

My physician believed that I had symptoms close enough to COVID-19 that I was tested...and it came up negative.

 

However, I wonder. I didn't get into the doctor's office until I started to have severe breathing problems, which only happened when I QUIT taking METHYLENE BLUE for a few days out of concern that it was causing kidney pain. However, I had taken again the night before my doctor's visit because of my breathing problems. Two days after testing, I felt great again.

 

So I wonder if I did have COVID-19, but the amount of METHYLENE BLUE I'm taking cleaned it out of my system, perhaps?

 

The COVID-19 swab test only screens for virus genetic material. If the virus was destroyed by the METHYLENE BLUE in my system, then the only way to know for sure would be an antibody test, which isn't available yet. I'm really curious, and would like to take one if get the opportunity.

 

Anyway, to make a long story short, this is anecdotal evidence, but I'll summarize my own experience in some bullet points:

 

• I experienced a serious bout of illness with flu-like symptoms, which was mild except for severe breathing issues.
• The illness lasted about three weeks. I have a compromised immune system, chronic bronchitis, and asthma.
• I had no noticeable fever, but I took headache medication daily, which reduces fever.
• I did have chills a couple days before the end of my illness.
• Between the chills and severe breathing problems, I finally gave in and saw my doctor.
• I saw the doctor on a Monday, so over the weekend I took METHYLENE BLUE on one or both days, to help with the breathing problems.
• METHYLENE BLUE is so effective for breathing problems that I probably wouldn't have had to see the doctor had I not stopped it out of concern for my kidneys, which were in pain.
• The kidney pain doesn't appear to be related to the METHYLENE BLUE. It went away, despite my increased dose of METHYLENE BLUE for breathing issues.
• In fact, I think the "kidney pain" may be related to sitting for extended hours in front of my computer, which I've done a lot more recently due to school and civic duty.
• Bottom line: METHYLENE BLUE is fantastic for breathing issues.
• METHYLENE BLUE also relieves some of my symptoms related to sleep apnea, which are in turn related to hypoxia (lack of oxygen).
• When I am tested at the doctor's office for blood O2 levels at each visit, whenever I have not used my CPAP device for sleep apnea, my O2 levels are consistently low.
• When I have an illness which affects my lungs, I simply can't use the CPAP device. However, even though I went without it for weeks, when I was tested at the doctor's office, my levels were high.
• This suggests to me that METHYLENE BLUE can help protect the body from a state of hypoxia.
• My wife had the same illness as I did, and she also took METHYLENE BLUE. She recovered even faster than I did, but she's in better health too.
• She immediately noticed the help that it gave her with breathing, as well as the boost it gave her in energy.
• We think most of the family had the same illness, but they are all young and healthy, and only my eldest bothered trying METHYLENE BLUE, and that only for a short time while having breathing issues.

 

When I first started looking at METHYLENE BLUE, it was for skin aging. I had no idea that it could be useful for lung or breathing issues. After researching it here, I learned that it may act as a nootropic, which is why I purchased some and started to take it.

 

The ability of METHYLENE BLUE to help my breathing and O2 levels has been a welcome and unexpected surprise. I think this substance has been seriously undervalued by the medical and health community. The fairly high does I take costs me about $0.008, less than a penny a dose, but it has arguably been the most effective supplement I've ever taken.

 

METHYLENE BLUE also gives me a lot more energy than I had before. Having severe sleep apnea and a genetic resistance to the effects of caffeine, my sleep doctor prescribed me NUVIGIL, which I've taken for years now. I highly recommend it. I've tested myself many times, and NUVIGIL consistently speeds up my ability to play Sudoku by about 30%. (Okay, so it's not the greatest measure or double-blind, but I've tracked myself over thousands of games.)

 

The reason I mention the NUVIGIL is that I stop taking it for days at a time to give my body a rest. I've discovered that METHYLENE BLUE gives me roughly the same level of energy, but it's longer-lasting and it seems to be having some long-term effects. I'm less tired than usual (except for the past few days as a new Mayor), and other people notice my new energy. My wife thought I had taken NUVIGIL before bedtime one evening not too long ago, which would have been stupid. I hadn't taken NUVIGIL in days, but realized I had taken a shot of METHYLENE BLUE about an hour beforehand. Since then, I've paid more attention to the effect, and it is significant.

 

Taking METHYLENE BLUE and NUVIGIL together doesn't make a discernible difference to me. Either one works great. Combined they just work as well, for energy, as the other does.

 

My son, who is 21, has breathing problems as well. He hasn't noticed much of an effect, but hasn't really tried it much when experiencing problems. I suspect it is most effective in those who are suffering an O2 deficit. Since he's a massive strongman, working to set our state's record, I suspect his O2 levels are fine and he won't see much benefit unless he starts to experience breathing problems. I'm trying to convince him to use it while working out to see if it increases his exercise duration. Strangely enough, METHYLENE BLUE is approved for use by powerlifters and strongmen even during competition. I bet it wouldn't be approved if they knew how well it helps with O2 levels...

 

For those who might be concerned, the dose I take each day is so strong that if you spilled it on your clothing, you would have to learn to live with your new blue clothes. I've stained the cutting board in our kitchen more than once already. Despite that, it hasn't stained my mouth, lips, tongue, teeth, or my long white facial hair.

 

Another individual on here mentioned a slight staining. I wonder if the form of METHYLENE BLUE makes the difference. I'm taking the trihydrate form. Maybe the anhydrous form is more potent as a dye. All I know is that it hasn't stained anything on me but dead skin (in my attempt at lotion, which I have yet to follow up on).

 

Well, I've written a short book, so have fun and I'll check back when I can. I need sleep now.

dosen t the methylene blue kill you re good bacteria and make you sick?

[JohnBoyTheGreat]

JohnBoyTheGreat, you did write a short book! One thing is missing and that's your dose of MB. Even if you go by concentration (dark like a think ink, it sounds), how much of this you take? A drop, two or a teaspoon? And then how often, once a day, twice, what?
 

 

Hey xEva. Yeah, I used to write professionally. I tend to loquaciousness.

 

But actually I wanted to get all my thoughts out because I don't see that I'll have much time to respond to people anytime soon... However, I think I'm going to drop a class at college so I can get more done. I slept on it, and I'd rather discuss METHYLENE BLUE on this group than take Discrete Mathematics 2, among all the other things I have going on.

 

So you answer your question, I wrote about how much I was taking in message #42 in this thread, but here's essentially what I'm taking:

In the message, I wrote that I had started with 12.84 mg per day. I increased that amount to about 25 mg per day, or about 0.15 mg/kg of body weight.

The only reason for the increase is that I noticed that at the lower level, the METHYLENE BLUE was almost completely purged out of my system (using the wonderful urine test--if the color is gone, I assume the MB is gone).

I was taking it in the morning, then the evening, then randomly, but only once a day.

Honestly, it's bitter and I don't enjoy the flavor, but it's by no means the worst thing I've ever taken regularly. So I don't really want to take it twice or thrice daily.

As it is, I usually mix it into an acidic drink, like limeade or cran-grape, to cover the flavor. I found that sweet acidic beverages cover up most of the bitterness and make it barely palatable.

I once made the mistake of mixing it into milk. That is one error I won't soon duplicate.

Anyway, to make a long story short, which I rarely do, here's exactly what I'm doing now:

(a) THE LIQUID -- 5 gm of METHYLENE BLUE in about 2 cups of distilled water.

(b) DOSE -- About 1/4 to 1 tsp. each day, once daily, usually morning to mid-day. I no longer take it at night, but I can't remember why I decided that.

Usually the dose is about 1/4 tsp., but my family members lost my favorite measuring spoon and I haven't had the opportunity to replace it. So I use a larger one now, and just take a rough measure.

On the other hand, a couple days ago, while trying to carefully measure it out of the old Gatorade bottle I made it up in, I ended up accidentally dumping about a Tablespoon into my glass, so just said "screw it" to myself and took the whole dose.

Not very scientific, I know, but there's a bunch of leeway in the dosage and it doesn't hurt to take a bit more from time to time (or a bit less).

As you note, the dose I take is dark like thick ink. No doubt it would make an effective and very pretty blue ink at the dose I take, even when watered down in a drink (at least a nice blue watercolor paint...).

(c ) CALCULATIONS -- Well, I somehow figured that 5 gm in about 2 cups came out to about 12.84 mg per 1/4 teaspoon. I have it all written down somewhere. As I may have mentioned, I doubled that to 25 mg (1/2 tsp.), because the green would be gone from my urine before the day was out. However, I've taken from 1/4 tsp. to about a Tablespoon with no ill effects whatsoever.

(d) DOWNTIME -- I give my body a couple days each week to recuperate from METHYLENE BLUE. I have no idea if it's necessary, but I do it anyway. I do that with most of the supplements or prescriptions I take, other than some basic vitamins and minerals.

That's the routine. I haven't seen any problems with it so far, unless you consider peeing Windex a problem...

Edited by JohnBoyTheGreat, 27 April 2020 - 06:03 PM.

[JohnBoyTheGreat]

dosen t the methylene blue kill you re good bacteria and make you sick?

 

Hi Orion. No, not so far anyway. I don't think that will happen either.

Most of our good bacteria are aerobic. They appreciate the effect of the METHYLENE BLUE, which boosts oxygen levels in the body.

It's the anerobic bacteria that we have which do the most damage to us. Those are the ones responsible for gangrene and other health problems, most of the time (not always).

 

Honestly, I haven't encountered any issues. I feel better than I have in a long time. I think perhaps that the bacteria take it in their stride--except perhaps for the ones that don't like higher O2 levels.

 

Anyway, I've been taking METHYLENE BLUE for about...two months?...something like that, with no ill effects. I haven't been consistent, but I've taken at least a couple doses a week during that time period. Recently, I've been taking it every day, except maybe one or two days a week. It's really rather random.

[Phoebus]

Is METHYLENE BLUE harsh on the kidneys? 

[JohnBoyTheGreat]

Is METHYLENE BLUE harsh on the kidneys? 

 

I haven't found anything in the medical or research literature which suggests it harms the kidneys. The only reason I was concerned in the first place was that I had experienced kidney paid during the time I had the flu.

In fact, I'm sore in that area now, but I've traced it to sitting for extended hours, which I hadn't done prior to this term in college--which is all online--and my new duties as Mayor of my small town, which has been taking a lot of my time.

 

I need a better chair.

 

So, I don't believe that METHYLENE BLUE would be toxic to the kidneys, unless one took it at extremely high doses. The doses which are given to people in a medical setting are much higher than I take, and yet there's no literature which suggests it would cause any kidney damage (at least none that I can find).

My only concern that it might cause kidney damage was simply because there is a little bit of literature that suggests it could be toxic under some circumstances, to skin and other parts of the body. I think there was something about it earlier in this thread perhaps.

Thus, it seemed possible that if enough accumulated in the kidneys, it would be harmful. But people regularly take doses far higher than I'm taking, without damage. It's prescribed at higher levels than I take.

So I'm not really worried that it poses any danger to kidneys.

[eigenber]

Excellent detail. Just one other thing: The methylene blue itself. What grade did you use? 

Using low doses, like 5mg or so might be okay using a practical or lab grade, but I wonder about the doses you've been taking - whether these should be USP grade.

 

[orion22]

JohnBoyTheGreat you said you had problems breathing when you quitted methylene blue codn t it have been a panic attack from withdrawal and if you had corona Dr Fauci said people shed virus 2 weaks after they get better wodn t the virus survive in you re nose the 10 hours before the test 

[kurdishfella]

I think I have found a new use for MB as a mouthwash or rub it on your tongue to kill bacteria. works somewhat but stings like hell.

[Daniel Cooper]

I think I have found a new use for MB as a mouthwash or rub it on your tongue to kill bacteria. works somewhat but stings like hell.

 

What concentration are you using?  I would think that a reasonable concentration would not do that.

[kurdishfella]

What concentration are you using?  I would think that a reasonable concentration would not do that.

it is 0.5mg per drop and I usually take around 5mg. My breath smells better , and the color of my tongue has changed to more pinkish which is sign of  a more healthy tongue. If you take it orally it can also affect your throat and gut by killing bacteria.

Edited by kurdishfella, 28 April 2020 - 08:36 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

That's pretty concentrated.  If you used the same amount in a more dilute solution I doubt you'd get that burning effect.

 

 

 

 

[JohnBoyTheGreat]

 

Excellent detail. Just one other thing: The methylene blue itself. What grade did you use? 

Using low doses, like 5mg or so might be okay using a practical or lab grade, but I wonder about the doses you've been taking - whether these should be USP grade.

 

 

Hi Eigenber... Well, I'll be honest...I'm not a wealthy individual. Used to be, but now I'm trying to work back to that point. In the meantime, I'm still interested in my health and mental capacity.

 

My original interest in METHYLENE BLUE was the positive effect it has on skin health. I'm not too old...51 years old...but I can see some signs of skin aging. I'm not exactly paranoid about it like some people, but my feeling is that if we don't have to age poorly, we shouldn't. If you can stay hale and healthy until you die at the ripe old age of 110, then why not???

 

So I ran across an article about METHYLENE BLUE and its ability to reverse aging of the skin. While looking into that, I discovered that it may have a NOOTROPIC effect as well.

 

When I was younger, I was...well, pretty damned smart. I was at the top of every class and every test and could do complex math in my head. Now...well, I've gone through a lot in the last decade. I had a traumatic brain injury (TBI), which left me with constant severe migraines, I developed severe sleep apnea, and my entire family lived in a small duplex which we discovered was filled with toxic mold. That last experience has left us with weak immune systems, so we catch everything now. That was just a little over three years ago. Until someone has gone through it, the idea that mold could be so life-damaging seems silly. But when you live in a house in which the insides of the walls are literally a solid sheet of mold and the floor falls in because the mold has eaten through it...well, it can be extremely devastating to your health and your life. You don't even realize it when it's happening either. You go around in a fog half the time, and experience many health issues, and it just creeps up on you.

 

We moved away from that situation to a wonderful new place, and we're all healthy now. But all that trauma has had lasting effects on my health and memory. I'm starting to recover, but it's been an uphill battle all the way.

 

At one point, my health was so bad that I could barely walk from the bed to the bathroom, some 10 feet away. We had moved out to the rural area where we live because I lost a large business due to disaster. I started a computer service company in the rural area and was doing great business before the TBI. Between that and the mold, it has made life extremely difficult.

 

Not being able to pursue normal work any longer, because of my health issues (mainly migraines and breathing issues), I made the decision to return to college to complete a degree in something that would allow me a more flexible career. So I'm working on a Computer Science degree, with an emphasis on Quantum Computing. Programmers can work from home and set their own hours, which works for me.

 

College is both easier and more difficult than when I was younger. It's easier, in the sense that I understand things much better than I used to--and I was pretty bright back then. It's more difficult because I'm still struggling with memory problems.

 

All that just to explain why I am so interested in NOOTROPICS...and why I bought some really cheap METHYLENE BLUE.

 

The grade I purchased is practical grade. It's made in India. The company that produces it says that it is the equivalent of pharmaceutical grade, but that they cannot label it that way for sale in the U.S. without jumping through a lot of hoops.

 

Whether that is the case or not, I did some calculations. The highest likely level of mercury in the practical grade isn't really that high. My estimate is that, after dilution, you'll get far less mercury and other heavy metals from practical grade METHYLENE BLUE than from eating a can of tuna a couple times a week.

 

Plus, my family eats quite a bit of cilantro, which is a natural chelator. It is known to remove heavy metals from the blood. We make up one or two gallons of salsa every week, and toss in anywhere from 2-4 bunches of cilantro each time.

 

Perhaps that's not the best system, but beggars can't be choosy. I had to decide whether the benefits outweighed the possible detriments. In this case, the chance that I'm being significantly affected by any heavy metals in the practical grade METHYLENE BLUE is extremely slim. I don't take enough to make that a reasonable concern, even at the levels I take it. If cilantro or any other supplements I'm taking are having a chelation effect, then that's a second level of protection.

So I'm not going to worry about it. There's not enough danger to give me a reason to be concerned.

 

The bottom line is that, for about $20, I can make roughly 7800 quarter-teaspoon (12-13 mg) doses. That's a cost of about $0.0026, or a quarter of a cent, per dose.

 

That's hard to beat with any other supplement that has such a positive effect on so many parts of the body and its systems.

 

Honestly, if it weren't for the stigma against wild health claims, I'd call METHYLENE BLUE the best and least expensive "panacea" I've ever encountered.

 

It's my own experience that makes me a fan. I'm feeling better after taking it than I have in many, many years--and that process is continuing every day. I've been feeling more and more energetic, having fewer health problems, thinking clearer...I can't help but love it.

 

I feel guilty praising METHYLENE BLUE so much, because I suppose I'm programmed to some degree to reject what feel like exaggerated claims for supplements. I'll be blunt, I worry that there is some placebo effect going on. But how? I didn't expect what happened. I had no idea it would help with breathing. I wasn't taking it for energy. Heck, I'm one of the most skeptical people when it comes to health claims, because I grew up with a mother who believed almost everything. I am careful to look for scientific evidence for the effectiveness of any supplements I take or other substances I'm willing to try. I do self-experiment, but I'm fairly cautious and conservative when it comes to that.

 

So I'm trying to report everything as honestly and openly as I can. That's my experience. I'm tracking what's happening to my body and my health--though not in great detail--and I'll report what happens as I notice differences or my friends and family notice a difference.

 

I don't recall if I mentioned this, but I have been diagnosed with chronic severe migraines. I'm technically "disabled" because I get day-long migraines as often as 15 days every month, and nothing--so far--has helped. Changing weather sometimes makes a little difference, but my neurologist has tried several things to help, without success.

 

...I haven't been having as many migraines recently. In the last month, I think maybe two or three. That's a significant change...and the only real difference in my life has been the METHYLENE BLUE. In fact, at least one of the times I had a migraine this past month was one of the few times I had paused taking METHYLENE BLUE for a few days.

 

As you can imagine, I'm very pleased.

[poonja]

Could share your source for the M.B. and your process of creating a solution that makes dosing somewhat measurable.  I am using drops that I acquired on e-bay.  I am feeling well (32) but I take a number of things but I seem to sense that the blue is helpful.  I am taking 5mg per day as of late and would consider ramping up which is why I am interested in your experience.

[JohnBoyTheGreat]

JohnBoyTheGreat you said you had problems breathing when you quitted methylene blue codn t it have been a panic attack from withdrawal and if you had corona Dr Fauci said people shed virus 2 weaks after they get better wodn t the virus survive in you re nose the 10 hours before the test 

 

Orion... So here's how I see it...

 

I have had severe breathing problems for the past five to seven years. I've been treated many times for life-threatening shortness-of-breath, and my entire family was getting a flu or cold (or something...) roughly every two weeks for about four years or so. The last two years that has been much better, and we are getting sick less and healing up faster.

 

But I still regularly experience non-panic related shortness-of-breath. At least, my physician and pulmonologist didn't believe it was panic-related. (Though years ago, I thought I had a heart attack, but it wasn't, so that physician thought it was just a panic attack. I don't believe it was, but I honestly can't deny the possibility.)

 

About a month ago...I lose track of time, so I'm guesstimating...I fell ill with something. Everyone else in the family did as well, but only my wife and I felt extremely sick. I have three sons, 21, 19, and 3, and one daughter, 17. My eldest has asthma like I have. I'm in the worst health in the family, though my basic vitals are great (great blood pressure, great cholesterol, etc.). It's the chronic breathing problems, my weak immune system, and being overweight which make me high-risk for diseases like COVID-19.

 

So my wife and I were hit fairly hard by whatever it was. COVID-19 was detected in our community, and I was exposed to the public at the height of the panic over toilet paper and other goods, and spent a good two hours in Walmart with the crowds. Then I got sick and the rest of the family got sick.

 

I experienced the illness for about three weeks. My children had it about a day or two apiece, and it was extremely mild--less than any normal flu or cold. They more or less just felt "under the weather". The only significant issue was that my eldest son had a little shortness of breath at one point--so he took METHYLENE BLUE once or twice...and that's it. They have all been fine since.

 

My wife felt really crappy, but again, not to the extent of a serious bout of the flu. Even I didn't feel that bad, except for breathing problems. She took METHYLENE BLUE and her breathing problems stopped. It's...amazing. Less than half an hour and you feel like you can breath like you haven't in years.

 

But as I mentioned, my kidneys started to hurt. I don't know the reason, but being the paranoid kind of individual I am (not a hypochondriac...I avoid doctors and ignore illness and pain as much as possible most of the time), I decided that it could be the METHYLENE BLUE, so quit taking it just in case. It wasn't, or if it was, I can't find any direct connection to when I took it and when I didn't.

 

The one common thing that likely caused the problem is that I've been sitting in a cheap office chair for 12 hours or more a day, which is considerably more than I usually do. One of our office chairs gave out awhile back, so my eldest son keeps stealing mine, and we haven't had an opportunity to replace it yet. Thus, I end up sitting in a chair that offers no support and I hunch down a bit, about where I feel the soreness. I also usually stuff a pillow behind me so I sit upright, for better posture. The point is that I have more reason to believe it would be the chair or kidney stones than METHYLENE BLUE. I've tested it on and off since then, and there's no relationship to the pain.

 

So about two or three weeks ago, I was worried about my kidneys. So I quit taking METHYLENE BLUE as I mentioned. I had been taking it more or less constantly because of shortness of breath. The shortness of breath wasn't always completely gone, even with the METHYLENE BLUE, but it was significantly reduced. But with my concern that I might be doing some damage to my kidneys, I stopped...I think for about two days.

 

This was before the weekend, maybe Thursday and Friday. My breathing problems got so bad that I decided to take METHYLENE BLUE again. I didn't know if I could make it through the weekend otherwise. So I took it at least one day that weekend, maybe two. I do know that I stopped taking it the day before my doctor's visit, because I really didn't want to have to explain to my doctor why I was peeing Windex, if he felt the need to do some urine test, and I didn't know what effect it would have on any blood tests.

 

But I had given in to my wife, that I would go see the doctor on Monday. Monday rolls around and I'm still feeling under the weather, but not as bad as before. Still, it had been up and down for three weeks. So I got an appointment and went in anyway. Here is the list of symptoms which I had that Monday, and printed out and gave to my doctor:

• Shortness of breath
• Dry cough – Very little mucus
• Fatigue
• Body aches
• Diarrhea – Mild
• Stuffy nose
• Headaches – Mild, not migraines like I often have
• Sore chest – Probably not from coughing, because I haven’t coughed much
• Sleepiness – Could be that I haven’t been able to use my CPAP machine, although it’s worse than usual
• Loss of appetite – Mild.
• Itchy eyes – For the past week.
• Chills – Yesterday and today, but only mild
• Sore throat – Just for a couple days about a week ago

About the only two common symptoms of COVID-19 that I didn't have were a fever or blood when I coughed. The COVID-19 checker recommended that I see a physician immediately, which is another reason I finally caved and went in.

 

My lack of fever can be explained by the over-the-counter migraine medication acetaminophen/caffeine/aspirin or ibuprofen, which I took daily for headaches and which reduces fevers. I never seem to know when I have a fever anyway, unless it's severe. So I either didn't have one, or it was masked by the medication I took almost every day.

 

Whatever the case, my physician thought it was worth testing for COVID-19, but the test came back negative. Since the rest of the family came through fine, they were never tested.

 

So...I feel there is a possibility that I had COVID-19, but that there was no viral remnant at that point. One of the problem with the COVID-19 test is that it's only positive within a short period during and following that disease.

 

I'm considering taking a COVID-19 antibody test, which has become available, simply so I can see if I ever had it. It's only $119 through Quest Diagnostics, which we have locally. (https://questdirect....7b-7bad949dcb57)

 

That would give me more data on the efficacy of METHYLENE BLUE if I do have the antibodies for it. (It can also give a false positive, but only to other coronaviruses. Chances are, if I had any coronavirus, it's been COVID-19, so I would consider the test conclusive if it was positive.) If I do take the test, I'll post the results. I'm very curious and I'm willing to shell out a $119 to find out. I just have to convince my doctor to approve it, because Quest Diagnostics won't do it otherwise.

 

In conclusion...I was better two days after I saw the doctor, before the results for the COVID-19 test were even in. That's the whole story. Take from it what you will... 

[JohnBoyTheGreat]

I think I have found a new use for MB as a mouthwash or rub it on your tongue to kill bacteria. works somewhat but stings like hell.

 

That's really odd. The concentration I'm using is really high, but it just tastes bitter, no stinging whatsoever.

 

Are you mixing it with something which could cause the stinging?

 

As a mouthwash, unless you are using a really diluted solution, it would probably turn your mouth bright blue. If it's really dilute, I can't imagine it would sting.

 

Are you sure it's METHYLENE BLUE? Maybe you have some odd allergy to it or something...
 

[JohnBoyTheGreat]

Could share your source for the M.B. and your process of creating a solution that makes dosing somewhat measurable.  I am using drops that I acquired on e-bay.  I am feeling well (32) but I take a number of things but I seem to sense that the blue is helpful.  I am taking 5mg per day as of late and would consider ramping up which is why I am interested in your experience.

 

Sure. Just don't buy them out before I order more... 

 

It's HiMedia GRM956-100G Methylene Blue, Pure, 100 g, and currently costs $20.30 at Amazon: https://www.amazon.c.../dp/B00DYO6PB2/

 

I measure out 5 grams and mix that in about 2 cups of distilled water.

 

5 grams in 2 cups of water (480 ml) is 10.42 mg/ml of 1% METHYLENE BLUE solution. A quarter teaspoon contains about 1.23 ml, so 1.23 x 10.42 = 12.84 mg.

 

So a quarter teaspoon of this should be about a 12.84 mg dose.

 

I hate to reveal this, but I weigh about 360 lbs. or 163 kg. (Hey, I used to be a football player and weightlifter, and I've put on weight due to inactivity and health issues. For a large man, I can still out-lift most men and I carry my weight well. Nevertheless, I'm working on getting back to my natural weight...)

 

A 12.84 mg dose divided by 163 kg is about 0.079 mg/kg of bodyweight for me, which is what I was taking originally.

 

Double that, and it's about 0.158 mg/kg for me, which is the 1/2 tsp. 25 mg dose I've been taking recently.

 

Ray Peat supposedly has said that it is safe in doses up to 15 mg/day. However, I would suggest that his numbers are related to bodyweight, and that he was referring to a person of average weight, which is why I take about double that amount, being about twice the man most men are. 

 

I've seen recommendations between 60 mcg to 30 mg, and at at least one study used something like 1-4 mg per kg of bodyweight, which is about 6 to 25 times higher than the dose I'm taking.

 

Just to relieve any concerns about the dosage, you can check out the recommendations on the following pages. These are some dosage recommendations for METHYLENE BLUE for a number of different medical and off-label uses.

 

For example, for methaemoglobinaemia, the dosage can be up to 7 mg/kg of bodyweight in a 24-hour period.

 

For me, that would 1.141 GRAMS PER DAY!!!

 

According to the site I found that info on, large doses higher than 7 mg/kg in 24 hours can induce the same methaemoglobinaemia it is supposed to treat.

 

For encephalopathy (brain dysfunction) caused by the drug ifosamide (a cancer drug), a dose of 50 mg every 6 to 8 hours, or 150 to 200 mg per day to prevent ifosamide-induced encephalopathy. It's plainly safe at that level daily, on an ongoing basis.

 

Here are some links to the medical dosing and side effects for METHYLENE BLUE:

 

https://www.drugs.co...ylene-blue.html

https://reference.me...ene-blue-343739

https://www.pdr.net/...ylene-blue-3903

https://www.austin.o...ene Blue_SG.pdf

 

There are certainly some side effects for some people, but usually only at the higher doses. I doubt most people would be negatively affected.

[eigenber]

JohnBoyTheGreat  - Thanks for your well-elaborated experience with MB. I'm interested in finding an effective dose for use in photodynamic therapy (admittedly in some hard-to-reach places). Not sure of the source now, but I believe the minimum dose is .05 percent concentration for photoactivation in the body, which can be achieved by taking 35mg MB (70kilo person) but I would probably go with 40-60mg as a treatment dose, not for constant use.  

 

A recent trial was external. I put a drop of 1% MB on a small, index finger wart and hit it with a 10mw red laser for about 3 minutes. After a few hours, the top of the wart fell off. The roots might still be there though, which could likely be destroyed with a few more treatments.

 

I don't know if you mentioned it or not, but do you avoid direct sunlight, or generally limit your exposure to light? I'm sure bright daylight can penetrate the exposed arteries of your extremities. And in the presence of MB would, theoretically, send O3 radicals flowing through your system.

 

 

[poonja]

I thought that methylene blue when used together with UV light was a formula which could combat viral infection including covid.  Im I wrong.  I make it a point to go for a three mile walk every day weather permitting for that reason as well as for the general health benefits.

[Lady4T]

I came across these videos by chance while looking for something else, and I think the information will be of interest here.

From one of the video's description:

 

"Dr Deepak Golwalkar has over 42 years of experience in treating lung diseases. He has developed many novel methods to treat his patients. One of his innovative methods to use Nebulised/Sub lingual Methylene Blue to prevent/treat Covid-19 patients has been very succesfull. Here he talks of his recent achievements in reducing Covid in his city of Bhavnagar and general challenges with respiratory ailments in today's day and age."

 

 

 

There are other related videos both in English and Hindi (?), but I think these two convey the treatment protocol and results.

 

Methylene Blue is simply great stuff!

 

 

 

Edited by Lady4T, 14 April 2021 - 08:58 AM.