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[Dorian Grey]

Saw an interesting twist to this issue last night.  James Lyons-Weiler PhD is claiming the genome released by China for the virus is showing evidence of a genetic insertion inconsistent with wild mutation.  He's thinking this bug is man made, either as part of an attempted corona vaccine or perhaps even weaponization.  Look Here (starting at minute 21): 

 

https://youtu.be/hPdGfibyOZ0?t=1285

 

The interview lasts till minute 48, but largely falls apart after minute 35.  

 

Both these guys are anti-vax (for what it's worth), but it will be interesting to see if anyone else picks up on what he's describing.  

 

Interestingly, it's starting to look like this bug is particularly fatal to the elderly, while younger folks typically do pretty well at surviving.  I trust we all know China is facing a major problem with a top-heavy elderly population in the coming years, due to their 35 year "one child policy" attempt at population control.  I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but the thought did pop into my head as I listened to Dr Weiler talking about the unique contagion characteristics.  

 

A highly contagious but very common virus with a man-made genetic insertion that appears to make it particularly fatal to the elderly, while sparing most of the more youthful population; originating in a country facing a geriatric crisis?  

 

We Live in Interesting Times!  

[Hip]

Saw an interesting twist to this issue last night.  James Lyons-Weiler PhD is claiming the genome released by China for the virus is showing evidence of a genetic insertion inconsistent with wild mutation.  He's thinking this bug is man made, either as part of an attempted corona vaccine or perhaps even weaponization.  Look Here (starting at minute 21): 

 

 

https://youtu.be/hPdGfibyOZ0?t=1285

 

Just checked out James Lyons-Weiler on various skeptic websites, and he's uniformly viewed as a crank. See:

 

https://www.skeptica...s-lyons-weiler/

https://respectfulin...-vs-manookian/ 

https://falseprophet...not-qualified/ 

Edited by Hip, 01 February 2020 - 12:47 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

The anti-vax crowd get put-downs from all sides, so I'd expect his reputation might be tarnished.  

 

The host of the show says the genome & graphics are available through his facebook site.  I'm not on facebook so I haven't seen these.  

 

I imagine the rest of the scientific community would see this before too much longer if it is in fact true.  If it was a vaccine development error, would they even admit this?  

[Hip]

Man made viruses do escape from research labs sometimes, and infect people. See the case of Becky McClain, who was infected with an HIV-like virus that was being worked on in her lab.

 

In the case of the Wuhan virus, there is a research lab in Wuhan which was investigating the SARS coronavirus — see here. There has already been speculation that the Wuhan virus might have come from this lab; or that sloppy lab practice allowed the SARS virus to escape into the local animal population, where it then evolved into the very similar Wuhan coronavirus. But so far this is just speculation.

 

 

Edited by Hip, 01 February 2020 - 01:29 AM.

[adamh]

It  seems unlikely the chinese would have done this to reduce their own population. Also no one seems to be talking about the effects on young children who along with the elderly are usually the hardest hit. Old folks might seem superfluous but without children to replace them it does not seem like winning proposition

 

Here is a more believable conspiracy theory. They may have tinkered with the virus to make it more deadly. This link talks about the possibility that some components of the hiv virus may have been inserted into the corona genome https://twitter.com/...CoV6VHL4bfxXaRY

 

[Dorian Grey]

The current issue may not be a "final solution" deliberate attack, but perhaps a test case or experiment gone wrong.  The Chinese are dabbling in all sorts of gene editing, including experiments with human babies (CRISPR babies / Jiankui affair).  

 

James Lyons-Weiler says he sees signs of genetic manipulation in the current virus.  He may be a nutty professor, but even the strongest critics of his anti-vax work admit he's a legitimate PhD with extensive background in biology.  From Hip's third link above: 

 

PhD in Ecology, Evolution & Conservation Biology from the University of Nevada, Reno in 1997. He then did a postdoctoral fellowship in Computational Molecular Biology at Penn State University from 1997-2000.

 

a faculty position at the University of Massachusetts Lowell from 1999 to 2002.

 

established “a Center for Bioinformatics, taught undergraduate & graduate courses (biology, genetics, bioinformatics)” and helped “researchers w/microarray data and developed web applications for high-throughput data analysis

 

University of Pittsburgh, where he remained for twelve years and in 2007 became director of the Bioinformatics Analysis Core there until the core closed in 2014,

Edited by Dorian Grey, 01 February 2020 - 06:04 PM.

[adamh]

As a follow up to the claim that portions of the hiv virus were inserted into the corona virus, here is a report from bloomberg news that seems to add support for that theory

 

":China is using AbbVie Inc’s HIV drugs as an ad-hoc treatment for pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus while the global search for a cure continues. The Beijing branch of China’s National Health Commission said that a combination of lopinavir and ritonavir, sold under the brand name Kaletra by AbbVie, is part of its latest treatment plan for patients infected by the virus"

 

https://archive.fo/L...2413.0-2417.127

[Hip]

As a follow up to the claim that portions of the hiv virus were inserted into the corona virus, here is a report from bloomberg news that seems to add support for that theory

 

":China is using AbbVie Inc’s HIV drugs as an ad-hoc treatment for pneumonia caused by the novel coronavirus while the global search for a cure continues. The Beijing branch of China’s National Health Commission said that a combination of lopinavir and ritonavir, sold under the brand name Kaletra by AbbVie, is part of its latest treatment plan for patients infected by the virus"

 

https://archive.fo/L...2413.0-2417.127

 

That does not add up, as an HIV drug (Kaletra again) was tested for its efficacy against the 2003 SARS coronavirus also. It's not unusual to find antivirals targeted at one virus have off-label efficacy against other viruses as well. Though in fact there's not much evidence that Kaletra helped with SARS.

Edited by Hip, 01 February 2020 - 08:17 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

Good Point Mind.  Meanwhile, back on the conspiracy front, here's another group of scientists who find the genetic makeup of this bug to be rather peculiar for a wild mutation virus.

 

https://www.biorxiv....7871v1.full.pdf

 

Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag 

 

Abstract: We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus. 

 

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Again, this most likely isn't a finished product "attack" on the world or elderly (which seem to be the population this bug selectively kills), but perhaps could be a test bug or vaccine SNAFU. Keep in mind Wuhan is home to China's first Level 4 National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

[Kalliste]

That Chinese doctor might have been allowed to die. In fact I Believe the "huge hospital in 10 Days" this is mostly a prison to isolate those sick, not actually a hospital where everyone will receive EMR treatment. 

 

 

[Hip]

However it fully possible that the Chinese government puts pressure on the WHO to give out inaccurate information about this outbreak.

 

I doubt that very much. More conspiracy theory.

[Hip]

That Chinese doctor might have been allowed to die. In fact I Believe the "huge hospital in 10 Days" this is mostly a prison to isolate those sick, not actually a hospital where everyone will receive EMR treatment. 

 

Are your beliefs based on verifiable facts, or do you just make up things and decide to believe them? The former is called rationality.

[Dorian Grey]

News flash.  The Chinese doctor reported dead in Wuhan has apparently come back to life!  

 

https://www.cnn.com/...621cf5955077a94

 

"Chinese doctor who sounded Wuhan virus alarm is critically ill, hospital says, after state media reported he had died"

 

There, you see?  Nothing to worry about!  

[Kalliste]

The actions undertaken by the Chinese gov are extreme.

I used to sacrifice an entire city to unlock power levels in my RTS games but this is real life. 

They are doing it for real, 50 million people locked down:

 

Many, many people on CCTV falling down so fast they don't even put their hands out before hitting the curb, due to viral myocarditis stopping their heartbeat (?)

Nation wide dragnet forcibly stopping citizens from that area from traveling anywhere, blocking their bank account and social credits.

Roadblocks made from literal rocks and earth mounds.

Space suit doctors loading their guns before going into residential buildings

Streets sprayed and water bombed with desinfection spray.

Screaming women packed into metal crates by officers.

Men in hazmat suit dragging screaming man of the street.

Nearby high class biowarfare lab publishing many things about the same virus family.

 

Lets hope this is a false alarm, we cried wolf and everyone learn something about what to do when a pandemic hits for real.

It might make the Chinese develop DRACO/senescent cell ablation/fibrosis repair to help all the injured people.

[Kalliste]

Uh oh!  New coronavirus infected 40 staff in single Wuhan hospital

 

https://www.yahoo.co...-211425653.html

 

"Forty health care workers were infected with the novel coronavirus by patients at a single Wuhan hospital in January, a new study has found, underscoring the risks to those at the frontlines of the growing epidemic.

One patient who was admitted to the surgical department was presumed to have infected 10 health care workers, according to the paper that was authored by doctors at the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University and published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) on Friday."

 

Would you walk into your job tomorrow if it meant close contact with this bug?  

 

 

Here's a strange, out-of-the-box but honest question. Are we sure that 2019-nCoV and the disease ravaging China are the same?

Looking at what is happening in China, the words "panic", "confusion", "hysteria" and all those things come to mind.

 

We have 400 million people on lockdown, patients being left to die, basic medical supplies rationed etc etc. All things one would associate with a biological warfare strike or release.

Yet, outside China, the equivalent driving words are "calm", "methodical" and "organized". The general attitude is that "this is the 2020 flu epidemic, its nasty, indeed unusually nasty, but we can cope with it. This too will pass."
So, are we sure that what is happening around Wuhan and around the world are the same thing? Or are the Chinese compounding two separate events to conceal what is really happening around Wuhan?

[ymc]

Here's a strange, out-of-the-box but honest question. Are we sure that 2019-nCoV and the disease ravaging China are the same?

Looking at what is happening in China, the words "panic", "confusion", "hysteria" and all those things come to mind.

 

We have 400 million people on lockdown, patients being left to die, basic medical supplies rationed etc etc. All things one would associate with a biological warfare strike or release.

Yet, outside China, the equivalent driving words are "calm", "methodical" and "organized". The general attitude is that "this is the 2020 flu epidemic, its nasty, indeed unusually nasty, but we can cope with it. This too will pass."
So, are we sure that what is happening around Wuhan and around the world are the same thing? Or are the Chinese compounding two separate events to conceal what is really happening around Wuhan?

 

Your conspiracy doesn't fly because the full sequences of the virus is similar all over the world.

https://www.gisaid.o...xt-betacov-app/

[Hip]

 

Many, many people on CCTV falling down so fast they don't even put their hands out before hitting the curb, due to viral myocarditis stopping their heartbeat (?)

 

Can you provide a reference for this statement, so that it does not become another unverified comment circulating through the rumor mill? 

Edited by Hip, 08 February 2020 - 02:09 PM.

[BlueCloud]

The actions undertaken by the Chinese gov are extreme.

I used to sacrifice an entire city to unlock power levels in my RTS games but this is real life. 

They are doing it for real, 50 million people locked down:

 

Many, many people on CCTV falling down so fast they don't even put their hands out before hitting the curb, due to viral myocarditis stopping their heartbeat (?)

Nation wide dragnet forcibly stopping citizens from that area from traveling anywhere, blocking their bank account and social credits.

Roadblocks made from literal rocks and earth mounds.

Space suit doctors loading their guns before going into residential buildings

Streets sprayed and water bombed with desinfection spray.

Screaming women packed into metal crates by officers.

Men in hazmat suit dragging screaming man of the street.

Nearby high class biowarfare lab publishing many things about the same virus family.

 

Lets hope this is a false alarm, we cried wolf and everyone learn something about what to do when a pandemic hits for real.

It might make the Chinese develop DRACO/senescent cell ablation/fibrosis repair to help all the injured people.

Where are you getting this from ?

[Kalliste]

Where are you getting this from ?

 

 

This show up on twitter. Usually short videos. I don't save the links but I see a dozens last week.
Example

 

Anyway Moon of Alabama claims it is calming down in China, Moon is a good blog for most time. Personally I wonder what will happen in Africa, US and other parts of the world where the central gov cannot respond with such foce.

 

 

February 08, 2020

The Epidemic Recedes - Number Of New Coronavirus Cases In Decline

The novel Coronavirus (nCoV19) epidemic is a receding danger but its effects will stay with us for some time. Here is an update on the current situation.

Caixin reports (machine translation):

The graphic below shows the newly suspected cases per day (yellow) and the number of newly confirmed cases per day (red).In general, with the increase in isolation and treatment work, the number of new suspected cases nationwide has decreased, and the number of new confirmed cases outside Hubei has fallen for 4 consecutive days. The situation of the new coronavirus epidemic situation may have improved. On the 7th, the first confirmed case appeared in only one city, and the number of newly cured cases exceeded the number of new deaths for 9 consecutive days, indicating that the epidemic was under control.

Source: Dxy - bigger

Newly suspected cases get tested and it takes about a day until they are 'converted' to confirmed cases or removed from the count. It makes therefore sense to combine those numbers and to show a total of new cases per day.

Data source: National Health Commission of China
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The new cases number in China is now stabilizing at around 8,000 per day and the trend seems to be downwards.

The total number of confirmed cases in China during the nCov19 epidemic is now at 34,546. 2,050 persons have recovered and have been discharged from hospitals. 722 people died so far. That leaves 31,774 current confirmed infected persons of which 6,101 are in serious condition. There are 27,657 suspected cases for a current total of some 60,000 suspected and confirmed cases.

The Chinese authorities go to great length to find those who had contact with persons who have been infected. 345,498 people have been identified as having had close contact with infected patients. 189,660 of them are now under medical observation.

The epidemic is still a local Chinese affair. Of 34,956 global cases 34,664 are in China.

Of the 32.000 current confirmed cases 25.000 are in Hubei province. The provincial capital Wuhan alone has 13,600 cases.

Health services and personal in Wuhan were extremely stressed (recommended) during January. The death rate there (blue) topped at 5% of the cases before it came down below 3%. The death rate of nCoV19 cases in all of China (yellow) is now about 2%. The rest-of-the-globe rate (grey), with probably too few total cases to be meaningful, is at 0.17%.

Source: Dxy - bigger

A number of anti-virus medications are now being tested on the current cases. Some combinations seem to help which will further lower the death rate.

Wuhan city is finally getting all the help that is possible. Medical personal from the army has been ordered into the city. Patients there get classified in different categories and are put into different hospitals:

A total of 1,600 beds in Leishenshan (Thunder God Mountain) Hospital will be delivered on Feb 8, said Hu Yabo, deputy mayor of Wuhan at a press conference on Feb 7.

The city already has 8,895 beds in 28 designated hospitals for patients infected with the novel coronavirus, and 1,000 beds in Huoshenshan Hospital, which are being used for severe and critically ill patients.

There are 4,250 beds for patients with mild symptoms in three public-facility-turned temporary hospitals in the city, which will increase by 5,400 beds in the future.

There will soon be 21,000 beds capacity for currently 13,600 confirmed cases. Only some 15% of those will become severe.

The World Health Organization (WHO) said that 88% of those who died were over 60 years old. 76% of the dead were men and 70% of the dead had underlying diseases. They were most likely heavy smokers.

Few children get infected or, if they do, only show mild symptoms:

“The median age of patients is between 49 and 56 years,” according to a report published on Wednesday in JAMA. “Cases in children have been rare.”

So why aren’t more children getting sick?

“My strong, educated guess is that younger people are getting infected, but they get the relatively milder disease,” said Dr. Malik Peiris, chief of virology at the University of Hong Kong, who has developed a diagnostic test for the new coronavirus.

It is still unclear if the virus can be spread by a person before that person shows symptoms. A German study which said so has been retracted and new Japanese study which says so seems dubious and is unverified.

During the time of the Lunar New Year festivities some 400 million people in China travel to see their family. Many factories shut down for two or three weeks. While this years traveling increased the geographic spreading of the epidemic, the closing down of factories probably decreased the number of contacts people might otherwise have had.

China's economy is severely effected by the epidemic.

After the Lunar New Year on January 25 property sales staid at zero instead of increasing towards their normal height.

Source: Capital Economics - bigger

Road congestion is at a record low.

Source: Capital Economics - bigger

The Chinese authorities will soon have to balance public safety with the necessity of economic activities. They are likely to stay cautious. They will want to make sure that the epidemic is under total control before allowing a return to normal life.

Further shutdowns of factories and curfews will interrupt supply chains and will affect the global economy. This will likely speed up the  'decoupling' from China which the U.S. under Trump promotes.

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[Mind]

No one should believe anything coming out of China's state-sponsored media, not the WHO, not the CDC, no one. The communist party's sole focus is control - not the health of their citizens much less the health of the rest of the world.

 

More and more scientists and leaders are openly speculating about the bio-weapon angle.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=_FRRgKBBmAE

 

 

[Hip]

Interesting the Twitter banned this site for spreading false information...which could end up being true. The perils of censorship on social media.

 
I think that is a good thing. There are several studies showing that those who invent or believe in conspiracy theories are often suffering from a schizophrenia-spectrum mental health condition known as schizotypy.  
 
See the symptoms of schizotypy.
 

 

 

Some studies:

The relationship between schizotypal facets and conspiracist beliefs via cognitive processes

Belief in conspiracy theories. The role of paranormal belief, paranoid ideation and schizotypy

Associations between schizotypy and belief in conspiracist ideation

The relationship between schizotypal facets and conspiracist beliefs via cognitive processes:
 

Edited by Hip, 16 February 2020 - 06:50 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

More than one biolab in Wuhan.  Here's one only 300 yards from the wet market that kept over 600 bats for research:  

 

https://www.dailymai...laboratory.html

 

Did coronavirus originate in Chinese government laboratory? Scientists believe killer disease may have begun in research facility 300 yards from Wuhan wet fish market.

 

"Chinese scientists believe the deadly coronavirus may have started life in a research facility just 300 yards from the Wuhan fish market.

A new bombshell paper from the Beijing-sponsored South China University of Technology says that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control (WHCDC) could have spawned the contagion in Hubei province.

'The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus,' penned by scholars Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao claims the WHCDC kept disease-ridden animals in laboratories, including 605 bats."

"The report says: 'Genome sequences from patients were 96% or 89% identical to the Bat CoV ZC45 coronavirus originally found in Rhinolophus affinis (intermediate horseshoe bat).' 

It describes how the only native bats are found around 600 miles away from the Wuhan seafood market and that the probability of bats flying from Yunnan and Zhejiang provinces was minimal.

In addition there is little to suggest the local populace eat the bats as evidenced by testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors."

"The WHCDC was also adjacent to the Union Hospital (Figure 1, bottom) where the first group of doctors were infected during this epidemic"

[Kalliste]

The earlier Taiwan article I posted is from a newspaper that is very ant-China and I had a hard time finding the same info elsewhere. Maybe they just made it up to hate on China.

On the other hand, China is very powerful and will punish media orgs who give them a bad rap so maybe only their enemies can publish such info.

 

Even if this virus turns out to be harmless this thing is going to have massive supply chain problems. A lot of everything is made in China, and the modern econ we live in is Just In Time based.

Now everything is lagging bad.

The stores may be empty of certain items soon just as in Venezuela, the prepping forums I frequent are going nuts.

[Dorian Grey]

Got to admit, I've been doing a bit of "prepping" myself.  I worked in healthcare for 35 years. All supplies are disposable and "just-in-time" inventory is universal.  If deliveries don't come, or the trucks are half empty, it's going to be a fine mess.  

 

With contagion to healthcare workers at absolutely astonishing levels, I'm betting a lot of American nurses will suddenly be developing major back pain issues that may take them out of commission for several months.  The instinct for self-sacrifice is strong in us medical types, but symptom free transmission lasting a couple of weeks is going to have a lot of single mom's thinking real hard about their kids and "acceptable risks".  

 

 

As there is no real treatment for COVID-19 other than oxygen (or a ventilator if you go critical), I don't know if I'd be too eager to dive into the chaos that will be going on down at the local hospital when 10-100 times their normal patient load show up all at once.  China doesn't seem to have much trouble adding an extra 10,000 bed capacity to their local hospitals.  Don't know if this will work as well in the USA.  

[Hebbeh]

https://www.dailysta...-wuhan-21529067

 

 

China has reportedly deployed 40 industrial incinerators to the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak Wuhan.  Chinese media reports that the furnaces have been shipped to the city amid ongoing fears the death toll is being covered up.  NTD reports that the cabins are for the disposal of animal carcasses, while China Ship news reports the incinerators are for medical waste.  Sources quoted in Chinese media raise questions over whether or not the incinerators are for animals, or will be used to dispose of human remains.  The mobile incinerators can reportedly destroy up to five tons of waste every single day – and can burn its load in as little as two seconds.  Reportedly the cabin is the size of a 20-foot standard container and has a volume of about 30 cubic meters.  It reportedly has the ability to crush solid waste, then incinerate it, and then purify the smoke.  Large trucks were reportedly spotted transporting the cabins into the disease ravaged city of Wuhan.  Professor Ming Ju reportedly said he believes the cabins are “mobile incinerators” for bodies.  And meanwhile, Professor Qu Zan said the virus could not survive the 850 degree heat created by the furnace.  Wuhan locals reportedly have questions the need for such cabins as there is not a widespread infection of animals with the virus.  Questions have been raised over whether or not the Communist Party is withholding information about the outbreak in Wuhan.  Disturbing reports have continued to emerge about the city, with claims medics are totally overwhelmed by the sheer number of infections.  Pictures have emerged showing deserted streets, and videos of early in the outbreak show hospitals completely heaving with people.  And the Wuhan hospital director Liu Zhiming has reportedly died of the infection, with around 1,700 doctors diagnosed with Covid-19. 

 

 

[Kalliste]

 Does anyone actually believe any data from china, particularly about corona? If so you might be interested in a bridge for sale. They have lied and denied repeatedly from the beginning. All data out of china is suspect, from economic figures to health, stated plans and intentions and so on. Not just suspect but almost certainly false. This is even more so when its a matter of national pride or to cover up wrong doing. All aparatchics know they must cover up mistakes and polish results whether it conforms to reality or not. Their jobs depend on it and sometimes their lives as well. There are many reports of people being disappeared who spoke out and gave info contrary to official reports.

 

"If that's the case, then the death rate could be lower than what's reported in this study."

 

I wish that was true because I'm in one of the bad age groups and could use some good news. If they admit a 2.3% death rate then you can bet your last dollar that the rate is not below that.

 

"Bodies lying in the halls of a chinese hospital, they can't keep up with them not even to properly dispose of all the bodies

 

https://nypost.com/2...china-hospital/

 

 "No deaths have been reported among children from birth to age 9."

 

No deaths among children? No one thinks that sounds extremely odd if not blatantly false? I saw a video, it showed workers putting 3 small children into a body bag, 3 into one bag meant for an adult. They looked to be 6 or under, had face masks and were clothed. The crematoriums are working around the clock and a backlog of bodies to burn. Here is a link to it but I think they are scrubbing this info off the net

 

https://discussgloba...wuhan-hospital/

Keep in mind China is HUUUUGE. 1100 million people. Those body-bag kids were supposedly murdered by the mother in a family dispute. 

[Hebbeh]

Keep in mind China is HUUUUGE. 1100 million people. Those body-bag kids were supposedly murdered by the mother in a family dispute. 

 

China has a strictly inforced 2 child policy so the chances of a mother even having 3 kids to murder would be slim to none... sounds like another cover up lie coming out of China.

[xEva]

re incinerators, they are mainly needed to dispose of used gowns, masks, gloves, bedding, rags, towels, etc -- things used by both patients and med personnel.

 

though I have no doubt it will be a scary pandemic. I only wonder when it will become an issue where I live (east coast US at the moment). you recon next fall? Sooner than that? And what about the olympics?

 

 

[Mind]

Quarantine failed to stop the spread of the disease in China, but it has led to a lot of misery https://www.reuters....SKBN20F0UQ?il=0

[Hip]

Quarantine failed to stop the spread of the disease in China

 

Who said quarantine failed to stop the spread of the disease in China?

 

Quarantine and the other aggressive measures employed by the Chinese government have done well so far. It's still touch and go whether this virus can be contained, but without those aggressive measures it would definitely spread to much of the world's population.

 

Even at the lower death rate of 0.67%, if this virus were to spread to say a quarter of the world's population (which is the number of people that the 2009 H1N1 swine flu spread to), that would be 2 billion people infected with the Wuhan coronavirus, and if 0.67% of those are expected to die, we are talking about 13 millions deaths worldwide.

 

That's a lot more deaths than H1N1 swine flu caused, which was "only" around half a million.

 

A lot of general public don't seem to appreciate the severe death toll the Wuhan virus may cause if it is not contained.

Edited by Hip, 22 February 2020 - 03:23 PM.