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#691 geo12the

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 04:00 PM

It is way worse than just blocking legitimate investigation into the origins of this virus. National media outlets in the U.S., major social media, etc. are blocking legitimate data and questions about the usefulness of masks and lockdown policies and data on vaccination programs. People who have suffered from vaccination or know people who died after COVID vaccination are being instantly blocked on most major platforms.

 

Tens of thousands of doctors and researchers have been blocked from speaking on National media outlets and social media. Some have been, harassed, threatened, and even fired for raising questions about various pandemic policies or pointing out the effectiveness of out-patient treatments. Many of the researchers and doctors were previously very respected, extensively published, leaders in their fields.

 

They have been mostly replaced by nebulous talking-head "health professionals" who staff government bureaucracies.

 

This is a dangerous development.

 

You regularly post lies, most recently about CDC changing CT value thresholds, and then complain about free speech. You are part of the problem. If people like you did not flood the internet with BS there would be less need for social media policing. 


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Posted 28 May 2021 - 09:24 PM

The antics of people like Mind shouldn't obscure the fact that the biggest villains of this pandemic have been public health experts. They were the original anti-maskers, and they've also refused to recommend better solutions like the use of elastomeric respirators by the public. Their poor advice has killed millions and will probably kill millions more, yet I haven't seen much outrage about this.


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Posted 28 May 2021 - 09:38 PM

Here's some dumb advice from Taiwan's Health Minister Chen Shih-chung:
 

Chen said...fines for people not wearing face masks outside....

People should limit the amount of time are outside, he added.


But not a peep about respirators.

 

https://www.usnews.c...ontinue-to-rise


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#694 Marconius

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 02:32 PM

Instead of just screaming "China virus!" every five seconds the previous president could have done the same. 

 

 

 

https://www.national...ab-leak-origin/

 

https://edition.cnn....-lab/index.html


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#695 geo12the

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 03:33 PM

 

Biden did shut down Trumps investigation because it was politicized and wasn't getting anywhere and at the same time started the new one. You can read more about it in a recent opinion piece by Olivia Troye.  Troye is a longtime conservative Republican and worked as the Homeland Security and Counterterrorism advisor to  Pence and served on the White House Coronavirus Task Force as Pence's lead staffer on the Task Force. She was in the thick of it.

 

https://thebulwark.c...s-intelligence/

 

"Two stories reported by CNN yesterday seem to conflict. At the same time that President Biden asked the intelligence community to redouble its efforts to uncover the origins of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, he also shut down an investigation by the State Department looking into the virus’s genesis. (A State Department spokesman indicated that the investigation ended, rather than being canceled.) How could the president both ask the intelligence community to look more closely at where COVID-19 came from, and ask the State Department, which includes an intelligence bureau, to stop? The answer lies in the Trump administration’s politicization of intelligence related to SARS-CoV-2, which I saw firsthand in the White House."


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#696 Hebbeh

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 03:38 PM

 

Did you even read your source?

 

But the inquiry quickly became mired in internal discord amid concerns that it was part of a broader politicized effort by the Trump administration to blame China and cherry-pick facts to prove a theory.

A day after CNN reported this story, the State Department disputed that it had shut down the Trump-era inquiry and instead said that its work had been completed. 

On Wednesday, Biden issued a statement that he has directed the US intelligence community to redouble its efforts in investigating the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic and report back to him in 90 days.

A State Department spokesperson confirmed work on the inquiry had stopped, saying, "Even though this discrete project has concluded, the State Department continues to work with the interagency to look into the COVID origins issue."

Pompeo did not respond to CNN's requests for comment.

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#697 Advocatus Diaboli

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 04:30 AM

This Daily Mail article talks about "An explosive new study claims researchers found 'unique fingerprints' in COVID-19 samples that they say could only have arisen from manipulation in a laboratory"

 


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Posted 30 May 2021 - 05:58 AM

Did you even read your source?

 

Yes I did.

 

Does it change the point that Trump did order an investigation in to the lab-leak possibility, and was not just "screaming China virus every 5 minutes" as stated by geo12the?


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Posted 30 May 2021 - 09:20 AM

You regularly post lies, most recently about CDC changing CT value thresholds, and then complain about free speech. You are part of the problem. If people like you did not flood the internet with BS there would be less need for social media policing. 

 

What part is the lie about CDC CT value thresholds? What part is is intentionally false? I linked to the CDC document that clearly explains they are going with a CT threshold of less than 28 now.


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#700 geo12the

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 02:04 PM

What part is the lie about CDC CT value thresholds? What part is is intentionally false? I linked to the CDC document that clearly explains they are going with a CT threshold of less than 28 now.

 

 That's absolutely not true. It doesn't say that in the document. That is part of the problem. Lies are treated as facts. Positive cases are still reported with the same threshold. Maybe you don't understand the science. There is no effort to inflate the efficacy of the vaccines by changing the CT threshold. The threshold for case reporting is exactly the same. In some cases of a positive test people or their doctor may want to sequence their virus to see what variant they have. To send a sample for sequencing the threshold is 28 to make sure their is enough material to test. You can read more here:

 

https://www.factchec...covid-19-cases/


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#701 geo12the

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 02:11 PM

Yes I did.

 

Does it change the point that Trump did order an investigation in to the lab-leak possibility, and was not just "screaming China virus every 5 minutes" as stated by geo12the?

 

The problem is they did a half-ass job. The administration was really good at performance art for the base- triggering the libs and starting political food fights- to feed the narcissism of Dear Leader. They were less good at getting stuff done. Had this been more thoroughly investigated by more competent people maybe they would have found something. 


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Posted 30 May 2021 - 02:53 PM

Yes I did.

 

Does it change the point that Trump did order an investigation in to the lab-leak possibility, and was not just "screaming China virus every 5 minutes" as stated by geo12the?

 

And what did Trump's people find with their "investigation"?


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#703 geo12the

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 04:21 PM

Yes I did.

 

Does it change the point that Trump did order an investigation in to the lab-leak possibility, and was not just "screaming China virus every 5 minutes" as stated by geo12the?

 

I do recommend everyone read the account by Olivia Troye. Unlike us, she was there. She was a part of the Trump administration and was on the COVID taskforce. 

 

https://thebulwark.c...s-intelligence/


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Posted 30 May 2021 - 08:26 PM

geo12the, I'd like to know the reasoning by which you characterized Olivia Troye, in post # 695, as being a "longtime conservative Republican" (my emphasis). By her own admission she describes herself as being a "John McCain" Republican.
 
Readers of her opinion piece might think differently about its substance had you written "John McCain" Republican rather than "conservative" Republican. Motivation and intent for a conservative Republican probably is quite different from that of a John McCain type Republican. Although use of the term "conservative Republican" might attempt to lend more credence to her opinion piece, it doesn't reflect the reality of her political bent. She is not an unbiased "Republican" observer.
 
Troye endorsed Biden. I find it difficult to comprehend that a true Republican would endorse a candidate whose political beliefs are so antithetical to Republican tenets rather than just making no endorsement all. The fact that she endorsed Biden is telling. 
 
Your statements in post #701: "The problem is they did a half-ass job." and "Had this been more thoroughly investigated by more competent people maybe they would have found something.", would seem to indicate that you have information both about the quality of the investigation--"half ass" and about the results, or findings, of the "investigation"--you seem to assume that nothing has been "found". 
 
Please provide citations that affirm your above contentions, as well as a link to the "findings" documents produced by Trump's investigation for which you claim nothing had been found. 
 
I suspect that I'm not the only person that would like to read the Trump-investigation results-documents that you have seemingly based your assertions upon.
 

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:25 PM

As referenced in the article (emphasis mine) would indicate she was definitely a Trump administration insider which would make her a solid Trump Republican as his administration only hired Republicans loyal to their cause especially at a level as lead staffer to the VP:

 

Olivia Troye is a former career intelligence professional who served as Vice President Mike Pence’s Homeland Security and Counterterrorism Advisor, as well as his lead staffer on the White House Coronavirus Task Force. She is now director of the Republican Accountability Project.

 

 

As far as endorsing Biden, perhaps she finally saw through all the Trump lies and BS as so many other long time loyal Republicans did and saw Biden as the lesser of 2 evils to save the country from what it had become.  Many life long Republicans at all levels of government and civilian life came out endorsing Biden not so much as endorsing a Democrat as being against what Trump was doing and seeing it as the lesser of 2 evils.  That was how Biden won after all.  All of this was highly covered at all levels in the news and is no secret.

 

And contrary to what you apparently believe and what Trump tried to sell, John McCain was an honorable American and Republican who served his country with distinction and literally laid his life on the line for the country he loved.  How many can claim to be the American that John McCain lived and breathed?  You should be ashamed.

 

And there is no Trump investigation results as there was no investigation.  Only self serving propaganda per his typical M.O.  If there had been an honest investigation, Trump would of definitely shared that as supporting his version but there was nothing to share.  If they had done a true investigation, somebody would of leaked and shared something somewhere but there was only crickets on data and intelligence from the Trump admin other than wildly unsubstantiated propaganda to fit their politicized agenda.  Do you know something the rest of us don't?  Apparently nobody else does either.

 

 

 

geo12the, I'd like to know the reasoning by which you characterized Olivia Troye, in post # 695, as being a "longtime conservative Republican" (my emphasis). By her own admission she describes herself as being a "John McCain" Republican.
 
Readers of her opinion piece might think differently about its substance had you written "John McCain" Republican rather than "conservative" Republican. Motivation and intent for a conservative Republican probably is quite different from that of a John McCain type Republican. Although use of the term "conservative Republican" might attempt to lend more credence to her opinion piece, it doesn't reflect the reality of her political bent. She is not an unbiased "Republican" observer.
 
Troye endorsed Biden. I find it difficult to comprehend that a true Republican would endorse a candidate whose political beliefs are so antithetical to Republican tenets rather than just making no endorsement all. The fact that she endorsed Biden is telling. 
 
Your statements in post #701: "The problem is they did a half-ass job." and "Had this been more thoroughly investigated by more competent people maybe they would have found something.", would seem to indicate that you have information both about the quality of the investigation--"half ass" and about the results, or findings, of the "investigation"--you seem to assume that nothing has been "found". 
 
Please provide citations that affirm your above contentions, as well as a link to the "findings" documents produced by Trump's investigation for which you claim nothing had been found. 
 
I suspect that I'm not the only person that would like to read the Trump-investigation results-documents that you have seemingly based your assertions upon.

 

 


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Posted 31 May 2021 - 01:12 AM

Hebbeh, what you have written in post #705 is ineluctably one of the greatest literary intellectual achievements ever produced by the human mind--clearly, right up there with Thomas Aquinas's "Summa Theologica" or Isaac Newton's "Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica". Bravo! (or Brava!, as the case may be).

 

In celebration of your seminal, and singular, accomplishment I'm going to grab me a beer, put some Led Zeppelin in the CD player, and visualize the future of our nation as it evolves under a pledge of "Unity".

 

"How many can claim to be the American that John McCain lived and breathed?"

 

Well, I don't normally brag, but in this case I'll make an exception. In terms of service to America, the American people, and to people of all nations in general, I strive to make my contributions to their health and well-being as impactful as those that have been made by, and will be made by, Dr. Jill Biden. That's right, in case you haven't already guessed, I attended, and graduated from, the same medical school as the First Lady.

 

You may henceforth refer to me as "Dr. Advocatus Diaboli".


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Posted 31 May 2021 - 03:47 PM

Gods of Medicine on trial:

 

 

The most damning statement I've ever seen on the failure of the Medical Industrial Complex pandemic response.  

 

Dr Peter McCullough makes a good case for crimes against humanity for the American bureaucrat desk doctors, and their dreadful mismanagement.  

 

It's an hour & 45 minutes, so make some coffee.  Absolutely riveting testimony. Full transcript available here:

 

https://vitamindwiki...p?page_id=12616

 

Best postmortem on the disastrous debacle of 2020 you'll ever see.  (Thanks to Gal220, who first posted a link on another thread)


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#708 geo12the

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Posted 31 May 2021 - 04:29 PM

 

geo12the, I'd like to know the reasoning by which you characterized Olivia Troye, in post # 695, as being a "longtime conservative Republican" (my emphasis). By her own admission she describes herself as being a "John McCain" Republican.
 
Readers of her opinion piece might think differently about its substance had you written "John McCain" Republican rather than "conservative" Republican. Motivation and intent for a conservative Republican probably is quite different from that of a John McCain type Republican. Although use of the term "conservative Republican" might attempt to lend more credence to her opinion piece, it doesn't reflect the reality of her political bent. She is not an unbiased "Republican" observer.
 
Troye endorsed Biden. I find it difficult to comprehend that a true Republican would endorse a candidate whose political beliefs are so antithetical to Republican tenets rather than just making no endorsement all. The fact that she endorsed Biden is telling. 
 
 

 

 

She worked for the RNC right after college and worked for Pence. She ain't no liberal. I don't want to delve into the nuances of what defines a conservative republican vs. a John McCain Republican, other than to point out your post is a sad commentary on how the Republican Party is now a cult-of -personality where everyone must worship Dear Leader Trump.  Anyone who doesn't bow down and worship the God-king, anyone who dares question Dear Leader or dare to show a scintilla of independent thought is an apostate, a "John McCain Republican",  someone whose opinion should not be trusted. That is sad. 

 

 

Advocatus Diaboli, on 30 May 2021 - 1:26 PM, said:snapback.png

 

 
 
Your statements in post #701: "The problem is they did a half-ass job." and "Had this been more thoroughly investigated by more competent people maybe they would have found something.", would seem to indicate that you have information both about the quality of the investigation--"half ass" and about the results, or findings, of the "investigation"--you seem to assume that nothing has been "found". 
 
Please provide citations that affirm your above contentions, as well as a link to the "findings" documents produced by Trump's investigation for which you claim nothing had been found. 
 
I suspect that I'm not the only person that would like to read the Trump-investigation results-documents that you have seemingly based your assertions upon.

 

 
 
Obviously no report was released. So we can only go by reports of people who were actually there, like Troye. From a recent article in Forbes:
 
"One former State Department official familiar with the project told CNN the way the team conducted its work was secretive and “suspicious as hell,” cutting out the Department’s technical experts and the intelligence community, prematurely briefing senior officials before work had concluded and, according to another source, excising experts critical of their science."
 
 
Full article here:
 
 
The Trump administration was about one thing: a twisted reality show in real-time for his political base. The purpose was to entertain the base, throw them dopamine fixes in the form of jabs at the libs and outrageous tweets, so that they would worship God-king Trump. It was never about finding the origins of COVID, it was about deflecting blame to China to protect Dear Leader from political damage. Sad so many people were, and apparently still are, duped by this malevolent charlatan.  

 

 


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Posted 31 May 2021 - 05:12 PM

I don't know where to post, so I'll do it here(Thank you in advance for your understanding!): any of you has the e-book or at least a link where I can download  TYLER J. MORRISON - Wuhan Coronavirus: A Concise & Rational Guide to the 2020 Outbreak(28 january 2020).

It's gone from bookstores, so I hope to find it in digital format. 


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Posted 31 May 2021 - 07:41 PM

I don't know where to post, so I'll do it here(Thank you in advance for your understanding!): any of you has the e-book or at least a link where I can download  TYLER J. MORRISON - Wuhan Coronavirus: A Concise & Rational Guide to the 2020 Outbreak(28 january 2020).

It's gone from bookstores, so I hope to find it in digital format. 

You should check on Amazon.


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#711 calimero

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Posted 31 May 2021 - 08:37 PM

You should check on Amazon.

At this moment, the book is not even mentioned on Amazon, Book Depository, etc.


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Posted 31 May 2021 - 09:25 PM

 That's absolutely not true. It doesn't say that in the document. That is part of the problem. Lies are treated as facts. Positive cases are still reported with the same threshold. Maybe you don't understand the science. There is no effort to inflate the efficacy of the vaccines by changing the CT threshold. The threshold for case reporting is exactly the same. In some cases of a positive test people or their doctor may want to sequence their virus to see what variant they have. To send a sample for sequencing the threshold is 28 to make sure their is enough material to test. You can read more here:

 

https://www.factchec...covid-19-cases/

 

I still don't understand what I posted that was intentionally false.

 

This document about "breakthrough cases", from the CDC, clearly states that the CT cycle threshold should be 28 or less. https://www.cdc.gov/...vestigation.pdf

 

You say the document "does not say that", but it is right there in the text. Did you read the document?


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Posted 31 May 2021 - 11:03 PM

I still don't understand what I posted that was intentionally false.

 

This document about "breakthrough cases", from the CDC, clearly states that the CT cycle threshold should be 28 or less. https://www.cdc.gov/...vestigation.pdf

 

You say the document "does not say that", but it is right there in the text. Did you read the document?

 

There are two separate issues that are being confused. The first issue is testing positive for COVID. PCR is used to determine that. The CT cycle threshold for determining and reporting who has COVID has not changed. It is still 40.

 

From the COVID PCR test manual on the CDC site (https://www.fda.gov/...134922/download):

 

"When all controls exhibit the expected performance, a specimen is considered negative if all 2019-nCoV marker (N1, N2) cycle threshold growth curves DO NOT cross the threshold line within 40.00 cycles (< 40.00 Ct) AND the RNase P growth curve DOES cross the threshold line within 40.00 cycles (< 40.00 Ct)."

 

The second issue is sequencing. Most people who test positive don't have their virus sequenced. The number I have seen is 17% of positive cases in April 2021 are sequenced. Some people might want to have their virus sequenced. For example to see what variant they have. But to do the sequencing you need to have a decent amount of PCR product present or it wont work.  The document you cite has to do with people who test positive and then want their virus sequenced.  In those cases the CT threshold needs be be lower than 28 or the sequencing comes out crappy. But people who have a threshold higher than 28 are still reported as being COVID positive.    From the document: 

 

"Respiratory specimen for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing • Specimen selection o Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value ≤28._

 

Part of the problem is that science is complex and easily misinterpreted. 


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Posted 01 June 2021 - 03:56 AM

Stop the presses! Mystery solved! WHO (World Health Organization) draft report article:

 

Coronavirus likely came from animal, not a lab, WHO draft report finds

 

In celebration of the WHO finding, I going to book a reservation for the upcoming Lychee and Dog Meat Festival. Dog is man's best friend (especially deep fried and with ample supplies of mayo and hot sauce).

 

And, in other news: "Reporters admit dismissing Wuhan lab leak theory in part because Republicans proposed it" Now, that article you should totally disregard because it came from Fox News. The fact that the content might be true is immaterial.

 

PS--Part of the problem is that news is complex and easily misinterpreted. 

 

Your friend, Dr. Advocatus Diaboli ( or, Dr. AD for short)


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Posted 01 June 2021 - 02:36 PM

I give this thread more latitude (it is after all alternatives views and theories), but let's not get too far in the ditch of blatant political discourse.

 

There is of course an intersection between covid-19 and politics, so some of this is inevitable. 

 

 


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Posted 02 June 2021 - 01:22 AM

Here is what seems to be a reasonably complete nexus of the evolving SARS CoV2 lab-leak theory. The title of the piece is: "Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible", published by the Washington Post.

 

Clicking the link will load a page that requests that you register with the WaPo. However, if you interrupt the initial click-load by pressing the "X" symbol (typically near top left of your browser) before it turns into the reload symbol (if left to run its course) you will avoid that registration page. When you stop the load you will see a reload symbol, but the article will have already been loaded--so don't press it. You may need to play around a bit to get the timing right such that the full article appears.


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Posted 02 June 2021 - 08:29 AM

Stop the presses! Mystery solved! WHO (World Health Organization) draft report article:

 

Coronavirus likely came from animal, not a lab, WHO draft report finds

 

In celebration of the WHO finding, I going to book a reservation for the upcoming Lychee and Dog Meat Festival. Dog is man's best friend (especially deep fried and with ample supplies of mayo and hot sauce).

 

And, in other news: "Reporters admit dismissing Wuhan lab leak theory in part because Republicans proposed it" Now, that article you should totally disregard because it came from Fox News. The fact that the content might be true is immaterial.

 

PS--Part of the problem is that news is complex and easily misinterpreted. 

 

Your friend, Dr. Advocatus Diaboli ( or, Dr. AD for short)

Agree, I just want to be able to buy ivermectin, screw the politics.


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Posted 03 June 2021 - 03:15 PM

I cannot understand why BIll Gates (who is heavily invested in - and stands to be come even more obscenely wealthy from the vaccine roll-out) was a person of such influence during the whole pandemic - as if he was some sort of expert - on TV constantly. He is not a doctor. Not a researcher. Not a computer programmer. Not even a college grad. Why was he influencing the public's perception of this pandemic to such a huge degree.

 

He seems to have gone into hiding now: https://www.lewrockw...r-up-continues/


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Posted 03 June 2021 - 10:01 PM

I cannot understand why BIll Gates (who is heavily invested in - and stands to be come even more obscenely wealthy from the vaccine roll-out) was a person of such influence during the whole pandemic - as if he was some sort of expert - on TV constantly. He is not a doctor. Not a researcher. Not a computer programmer. Not even a college grad. Why was he influencing the public's perception of this pandemic to such a huge degree.

He seems to have gone into hiding now: https://www.lewrockw...r-up-continues/


Most likely he has all the qualifications someone was looking for, based on his prior work, with similar ideas to current thinking, in Africa.
In addition his willingness to do business in a particular manner that might prove distasteful to others.

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In 2010, the Gates Foundation funded experimental malaria and meningitis vaccine trials across Africa and HPV vaccine programs in India. All of these programs resulted in numerous deaths and injuries,
with accounts of forced vaccinations and uninformed consent.
Ultimately, these health campaigns, under the guise of saving lives, have relocated large scale clinical trials of untested or unapproved drugs to developing markets where administering drugs is less regulated and cheaper.

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Microsoft lawsuit[edit]
In 1993, Microsoft released MS-DOS 6.0, which included a disk compression program called DoubleSpace. Microsoft had previously been in discussions with Stac to license its compression technology, and had discussions with Stac engineers and examined Stac's code as part of the due diligence process. Stac, in an effort led by attorney Morgan Chu, sued[3] Microsoft for infringement of two of its data compression patents, and won; in 1994, a California jury ruled the infringement by Microsoft was not willful, but awarded Stac $120 million in compensatory damages, coming to about $5.50 per copy of MS-DOS 6.0 that had been sold. The jury also agreed with a Microsoft counterclaim that Stac had misappropriated the Microsoft trade secret of a pre-loading feature that was included in Stacker 3.1, and simultaneously awarded Microsoft $13.6 million on the counterclaim.[4]

While Microsoft prepared an appeal, Stac obtained a preliminary injunction from the court stopping the sales of all MS-DOS products that included DoubleSpace; by this time Microsoft had already started shipping an "upgrade" of MS-DOS to its OEM customers that removed DoubleSpace. By the end of 1994, Microsoft and Stac settled all pending litigation by agreeing that Microsoft would make a $39.9 million investment in Stac Electronics, and additionally pay Stac about $43 million in royalties on their patents.
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Posted 04 June 2021 - 11:13 AM

Seeing a reversal in the Lab-Leak story, makes me wonder about so many other legitimate questions and inquires that were crushed by the national media, Google, Facebook, and "fact-checkers".

 

There are reams of data proving the effectiveness of HCQ, Ivermectin, and many other life-saving out-patient treatments. This life-saving information is still being officially and illogically suppressed. Millions of lives could have been saved over the past year if the "fact-checkers" had not blocked this information. Will the tide turn? Will those responsible for blocking this life-saving information be held responsible?

 

It has been awful to see the suppression of honest inquiry over the past year. There have always been weird/fringe theories and fake information in the public discourse and open discussion filters it out. The blocking/censoring of everything that did not go along with the official bureaucratic narrative over the past year has not been good.


There are two separate issues that are being confused. The first issue is testing positive for COVID. PCR is used to determine that. The CT cycle threshold for determining and reporting who has COVID has not changed. It is still 40.

 

From the COVID PCR test manual on the CDC site (https://www.fda.gov/...134922/download):

 

"When all controls exhibit the expected performance, a specimen is considered negative if all 2019-nCoV marker (N1, N2) cycle threshold growth curves DO NOT cross the threshold line within 40.00 cycles (< 40.00 Ct) AND the RNase P growth curve DOES cross the threshold line within 40.00 cycles (< 40.00 Ct)."

 

The second issue is sequencing. Most people who test positive don't have their virus sequenced. The number I have seen is 17% of positive cases in April 2021 are sequenced. Some people might want to have their virus sequenced. For example to see what variant they have. But to do the sequencing you need to have a decent amount of PCR product present or it wont work.  The document you cite has to do with people who test positive and then want their virus sequenced.  In those cases the CT threshold needs be be lower than 28 or the sequencing comes out crappy. But people who have a threshold higher than 28 are still reported as being COVID positive.    From the document: 

 

"Respiratory specimen for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing • Specimen selection o Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value ≤28._

 

Part of the problem is that science is complex and easily misinterpreted. 

 

Thank you for the more detailed explanation and clearing up the confusion.


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