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#421 gamesguru

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Posted 05 May 2020 - 02:36 AM

How many deaths do you predict?  Realize we'll be over 70,000 deaths by the time you read this.

 

MIT, Northwestern, Colombia, practically every credible model out there is predicting a steady rate of 1000-2000 deaths over the next month.  In other words, we passed the peak (for now)—but it's not dropping off as sudden as IHME predicted and we can still expect 100k dead by June.

 

The social distancing measures are flattening the curve, and they are not yet being relaxed in enough places to cause a major wave before June.  Likely you will see additional peaks later in the summer, but many states—California, New York, Illinois—have remained under lock-down.  So 3,000 is unlikely to happen this wave.



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Posted 06 May 2020 - 04:12 PM

New York fatalities rates are inflated due to gross incompetence or perhaps malfeasance. New York allows COVID-19 positive workers to continue working in nursing homes.

 

New York places COVID-19 positive patients in nursing homes.

 

New York Mayor in mid March encourages people to keep gathering and going about business as usual.

 

The rest of the U.S. is paying for this outright stupidity or incompetence.

 

 


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Posted 06 May 2020 - 08:42 PM

New York fatalities rates are inflated due to gross incompetence or perhaps malfeasance. 

 

New York has higher fatalities than the rest of the US because it has the nastier and more lethal version of the virus. NY has the same nastier virus that you find in Europe. Whereas the rest of the States has a milder mutation of coronavirus.

 

This is why things look worse in NY, because things are worse in NY.


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Posted 06 May 2020 - 09:50 PM

Latest May 6th update on the Facts about Covid-19 site about the situation in the US:

 

 

United States
  • The latest report from the US CDC shows that the Covid19 hospitalization rate among the over-65s is in the range of strong flu waves. It is slightly higher among 18 to 64-year-olds and significantly lower among those under 18.
  • Video: A nurse from New York City stated in a dramatic video that New York does „murder“ Covid19 patients by putting them on invasive ventilators and destroying their lungs. The use of the invasive ventilators (instead of oxygen masks) is done „for fear of spreading the virus“. It is „a horror movie“, „not because of the disease, but because of the way it is dealt with“, the nurse explained. Experts have been warning since March against intubation of Covid19 patients.
  • Dr. Daniel Murphy, the head of emergency medicine at a heavily affected hospital in New York City, recommends a quick end to the lockdown. According to Dr Murphy, the Covid19 wave had already reached its peak on April 7th. Covid19 is a serious matter, but the fear of it is exaggerated, as the vast majority of the population gets at most mildly ill. His biggest concern now is the sharp decline in the care of emergency patients and children due to the lockdown and the widespread fear in the population.
  • Video: The conservative Project Veritas whistleblower platform spoke with New York funeral home directors who stated that currently Covid is written „on all death certificates“ (of suspected cases), whether there was a test or not. Many people are currently dying at home, and often the exact cause of death is no longer checked. The Covid19 statistics are inflated for political or financial reasons, the directors stated.
  • The director of the Illinois Department of Health confirmed that even terminally ill people who clearly die of another cause but who test positive for Covid19 virus before or after death are recorded as Covid19 deaths.
  • Due to the lockdown, 30 million people in the US have already applied for unemployment benefits by the end of April – that is significantly more than the International Labour Office ILO originally assumed for the entire world.
  • Tesla boss Elon Musk called the California curfews „fascist“. The „forced imprisonment“ of people in their homes violates all their constitutional rights, Musk explained in a telephone conference.
  • Video: A mother was confronted by police at her home because her children played illegally with neighbor children.
  • Video: In late April, some photographers were caught in a partial staging of a protest by care workers against anti-lockdown demonstrators. (Read more).

 


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Posted 07 May 2020 - 07:57 AM

Latest May 6th update on the Facts about Covid-19 site about the situation in the US:

 

And more general:

 

 Medical studies

  • A new overview of existing PCR and antibody studies shows that the median value of Covid19 lethality (IFR) is 0.20% and thus in the range of a strong influenza.
  • A new antibody study with Danish blood donors showed a very low Covid19 lethality (IFR) of 0.08% for persons under 70 years of age.
  • A new antibody study from Iran, one of the earliest and most affected countries by Covid19, also showed a very low lethality of 0.08% to 0.12%.
  • A new antibody study from Japan comes to the conclusion that about 400 to 800 times more people there had contact with the new coronavirus than previously thought, but showed no or hardly any symptoms. Japan had done rather few tests so far.
  • A new study from Germany, with the participation of leading virologist Christian Drosten, shows that about one third of the population already has some cellular immunity to the Covid19 corona virus, presumably through contact with earlier corona viruses (cold viruses). This cellular immunity by so-called T-cells is significantly higher than PCR and antibody tests suggested and may partly explain why many people develop no symptoms with the new coronavirus.
  • In a prison in the US state of Tennessee, only two out of 1349 test-positive people showed any symptoms at all.
  • On the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, none of 1046 test-positive sailors have died so far. On the US aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, one of 969 test-positive sailors has died so far (preconditions and exact cause of death are not known).
  • Numerous media reported about alleged „re-infections“ of already recovered persons in South Korea. However, researchers have now come to the conclusion that all of the 290 suspected cases were false-positive test results caused by „non-infectious virus fragments“. The result again highlights the well-known unreliability of PCR virus tests.
  Other medical updates
  • Numerous media reported that in connection with Covid19, more and more children would fall ill with so-called Kawasaki disease (a vascular inflammation). However, the UK’s Kawasaki Disease Foundation issued a press release stating that fewer, not more, Kawasaki cases are currently being reported than usual and that of the few cases reported, only about half had tested positive for corona virus.
  • In an open letter to the French Ministry of Health, a French doctor speaks of Covid19 as „the biggest health scam of the 21st century“. The danger of the virus for the general population is in the range of influenza and the consequences of the lockdown are more dangerous than the virus itself, the French doctor argues.
  • In France, it became known during a subsequent investigation that the first Covid19-positive patient had already been treated at the end of December 2019, one month earlier than previously assumed. The man was being treated for what appeared to be flu-related pneumonia. This case shows that the new corona virus either arrived in Europe earlier than assumed, or that it is not as new as assumed, or that the test result was a false-positive. In addition, it is not clear whether the man, who has long since recovered, was actually suffering from flu or corona virus or both.
  • The Executive Director of the WHO recently praised Sweden as a successful model for handling Covid19. Sweden had implemented its health policy successfully and „in partnership with the population“, he said. Previously, Sweden had been heavily criticized for weeks by foreign media and politicians for its relaxed approach to Covid19.
  • Belarus, which took the least action against Covid19 of all European countries and did not even cancel major events like soccer matches, is counting only 103 test-positive or suspected Covid19 deaths after more than two months. The Belarusian long-term president Lukashenko called Corona a „psychosis“. Critics argue he is not disclosing the real number of deaths.
  • An extensive literature review by a Canadian researcher found that face masks do not provide measurable protection against colds and influenza.
  • A Swiss chief psychiatrist expects a sharp increase in psychological problems and more than 10,000 additional suicides worldwide due to the global lockdown and unemployment.
  • The so-called reproduction number, which indicates the proliferation of Covid, is increasingly becoming a political issue. However, this does not change the facts: the peak of the spread was already reached in most countries before the lockdown and the reproduction ratio fell to or below the stable value of one due to simple everyday and hygiene measures. The lockdown was therefore epidemiologically unnecessary.
  • The clinical picture and risk groups of Covid19 corona viruses are probably related to the use of the so-called ACE2 cell receptor, which is found in the bronchi and lungs, but also in blood vessels, the intestines and kidneys. However, other coronaviruses, in particular the common cold virus NL63, also use the ACE2 cell receptor. Some researchers therefore expect that the Covid19 coronavirus, too, will become a typical cold virus in the medium term.
  • The exact origin of the new corona virus is still unclear. The easiest explanation remains natural transmission or mutation, which happens quite often. It is true, however, that the virological laboratory in Wuhan, as part of a research programme co-financed by the US, studied corona viruses from bats and also examined their transmissibility to other mammals, something that has been criticised for years by some researchers as too risky. The renowned head of the laboratory, however, explained that the new virus did not correspond to the corona viruses investigated in the laboratory. Earlier rumours about „bioweapons“ or „HIV sequences“ are to be regarded as disinformation in view of the relative harmlessness of the corona virus.
  Nursing Homes

Nursing homes play an absolutely key role in the current corona situation. In most Western countries, 30% to 70% of all deaths „related to Covid“ occurred in nursing homes (in some regions even up to 90%). It is also known from northern Italy that the crisis there began with a panic-induced collapse of nursing care for the elderly.

Nursing homes require targeted protection and do not benefit from a general lockdown of society. If one looks only at the deaths in the general population, in most countries these are in the range of a normal or even mild wave of influenza.

Moreover, in many cases it is not clear what people in nursing homes really died of, i.e. whether it was Covid19 or stress, fear and loneliness. From Belgium, for example, it is known that about 94% of all deaths in nursing homes are untested „presumed cases“.

A new analysis of French statistics moreover shows the following: as soon as there is a „suspected case“ in a nursing home (e.g. due to coughing), all deaths are considered „suspected Covid19 deaths“, and as soon as there is a „confirmed case“ in a nursing home (even if symptomless), all deaths are considered „confirmed Covid19 deaths“.

A report from Germany vividly describes the extreme conditions under which hundreds of thousands of patients in care and nursing homes have had to live in recent weeks, often against their will. Many of the patients were barely allowed to leave their rooms, were no longer allowed to go out into the fresh air or receive visits from their relatives.

In several nursing homes, the error-prone PCR virus test moreover led to serious false alarms and panic. In one Canadian nursing home, employees fled in fear of the corona virus, resulting in the tragic death of 31 patients due to lack of care.

The former New York Times journalist and Corona critic Alex Berenson writes on Twitter: „Let’s be clear: the fact the nursing home deaths are not front and center every day in elite media coverage of COVID tells you everything you need to know about the media’s priority – which is instilling panic (and punishing Trump), not driving good health policy.“

 

Full analysis: Mortality associated with COVID-19 outbreaks in care homes: early international evidence (LTC Covid, May 2020)

 

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Deaths in nursing homes, absolute and percentage figures (LTC Covid)

 


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Posted 07 May 2020 - 02:15 PM

New York fatalities rates are inflated due to gross incompetence or perhaps malfeasance. New York allows COVID-19 positive workers to continue working in nursing homes.

 

New York places COVID-19 positive patients in nursing homes.

 

New York Mayor in mid March encourages people to keep gathering and going about business as usual.

 

The rest of the U.S. is paying for this outright stupidity or incompetence.

 

They have not been inflated.  They reported presumptive positives.  It's likely as many false positives were included in that data set as were accidentally left out of the rest.

 

Mid March?  Donnie was still calling it a hoax then, hard to blame governors for not having 100% of their restrictions in place.

 

I'm sure mistakes were made, but it starts at the top.  Lack of CDC funding and involvement, leaves states to figure out their own rules.  China actually have nation wide quarantine program, communist virus checkpoints, tracking app, and more.  There were more than "mistakes" involved in NYC.  They have the highest population density in the US, they have the only subway system, a level of neighborliness not known elsewhere.  To suppose the large population had nothing to do with the explosion is also wrong.

 

The rest of the U.S. will also pay for sending all meat packing plants back to work with no PPE when 70% of them are closed, we will pay for opening places like Georgia up and keeping them open into the Fall, when weather favors the virus' return.

 

Trump still doesn't acknowledge his son in law Jared Kushner is completely botching the PPE supply chain.  It's beyond stupid, it's utterly criminal.

 


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Posted 07 May 2020 - 04:33 PM

They have not been inflated.  They reported presumptive positives.  It's likely as many false positives were included in that data set as were accidentally left out of the rest.

 

Mid March?  Donnie was still calling it a hoax then, hard to blame governors for not having 100% of their restrictions in place.

 

I'm sure mistakes were made, but it starts at the top.  Lack of CDC funding and involvement, leaves states to figure out their own rules.  China actually have nation wide quarantine program, communist virus checkpoints, tracking app, and more.  There were more than "mistakes" involved in NYC.  They have the highest population density in the US, they have the only subway system, a level of neighborliness not known elsewhere.  To suppose the large population had nothing to do with the explosion is also wrong.

 

The rest of the U.S. will also pay for sending all meat packing plants back to work with no PPE when 70% of them are closed, we will pay for opening places like Georgia up and keeping them open into the Fall, when weather favors the virus' return.

 

Trump still doesn't acknowledge his son in law Jared Kushner is completely botching the PPE supply chain.  It's beyond stupid, it's utterly criminal.

 

 

This does not exonerate the extreme incompetence of New York officials. Sorry.


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Posted 07 May 2020 - 05:10 PM

New York has higher fatalities than the rest of the US because it has the nastier and more lethal version of the virus. NY has the same nastier virus that you find in Europe. Whereas the rest of the States has a milder mutation of coronavirus.

 

This is why things look worse in NY, because things are worse in NY.

 

There are a lot of sites with statistics about COVID-19 cases and fatalities, but I have not seen cases broken down by viral strain. It is claimed that there are many different strains around the world. Let me know if there is a site that has all cases broken down by genetic sequence.



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Posted 07 May 2020 - 06:01 PM

This does not exonerate the extreme incompetence of New York officials. Sorry.

 

Well we can just throw coronavirus patients on the street then, because the also incompetent executive branch failed horribly to prepare in January.  I'd like to see you make decisions in Cuomo's shoes.  To have the highest density of people in the nation and receive basically no federal guidance or help.

 

Florida will likely experience the same shit in the Fall.  Will you be sorry for not being critical of them :-D


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Posted 07 May 2020 - 10:36 PM

There are a lot of sites with statistics about COVID-19 cases and fatalities, but I have not seen cases broken down by viral strain. It is claimed that there are many different strains around the world. Let me know if there is a site that has all cases broken down by genetic sequence.

 
This is the article I read which says the strains of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus found in the US are generally milder than the more deadly strains found in Europe. The exception seems to be New York, which has the more deadly European strains.

 

There might be some better articles on this subject, but I have not actually Googled it.


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Posted 08 May 2020 - 12:55 AM

 This is the article I read which says the strains of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus found in the US are generally milder than the more deadly strains found in Europe. The exception seems to be New York, which has the more deadly European strains.

 

There might be some better articles on this subject, but I have not actually Googled it.

 

I saw the phylogenetic tree, had a wtf moment, and then did some research.  Still have a lot of doubts personally, let me tell you.

 

The coronavirus family actually have what is called an mRNA proofreader mechanism, which makes it less prone to phylogenetic drift.  The mutations you are seeing, and the "two main strains" you might have heard of are typically benign or useless mutations, that have no selective pressures, don't make it more infectious or deadly, and don't contribute rapidly to the error catastrophe—the extinction of an organism as a result of excessive mutations.

 

This is something that actually happened with the 1918 subtype, losing much of its lethality.

In this paper, we examine an alternative point of view regarding mutation accumulation within H1N1. We suggest that, while specific adaptive mutations commonly occur within the H1N1 virus, many more deleterious mutations are accumulating than beneficial mutations, even when there is strong selection. Consequently, H1N1 appears to have been in very gradual error catastrophe throughout its history.

 

Our results strongly confirm the widely recognized fact that all past and present human and swine H1N1 influenza strains derive from the 1918 strain. By extension, this applies to other human influenza strains, including H3N2 and H2N2 [1].

 

It seems unlikely this new coronavirus will mutate itself to death sadly.  And I haven't seen any evidence to support the idea that the mutations out there already have had a huge effect on infectivity or lethality.

End game

Some researchers hope that the virus will weaken over time through a series of mutations that adapt it to persist in humans. By this logic, it would become less deadly and have more chances to spread. But researchers have not yet found any sign of such weakening, probably because of the virus’s efficient genetic repair mechanism. “The genome of COVID-19 virus is very stable, and I don’t see any change of pathogenicity that is caused by virus mutation,” says Guo Deyin, who researches coronaviruses at Sun Yat-sen University in Guangzhou.
 

Rambaut, too, doubts that the virus will become milder over time and spare its host. “It doesn’t work that way,” he says. As long as it can successfully infect new cells, reproduce and transmit to new ones, it doesn’t matter whether it harms the host, he says.
 

But others think there is a chance for a better outcome. It might give people antibodies that will offer at least partial protection, says Klaus Stöhr, who headed the World Health Organization’s SARS research and epidemiology division. Stöhr says that immunity will not be perfect — people who are reinfected will still develop minor symptoms, the way they do now from the common cold, and there will be rare examples of severe disease. But the virus’s proofreading mechanism means it will not mutate quickly, and people who were infected will retain robust protection, he says.
 

“By far the most likely scenario is that the virus will continue to spread and infect most of the world population in a relatively short period of time,” says Stöhr, meaning one to two years. “Afterwards, the virus will continue to spread in the human population, likely forever.” Like the four generally mild human coronaviruses, SARS-CoV-2 would then circulate constantly and cause mainly mild upper respiratory tract infections, says Stöhr. For that reason, he adds, vaccines won’t be necessary.

Some previous studies support this argument. One10 showed that when people were inoculated with the common-cold coronavirus 229E, their antibody levels peaked two weeks later and were only slightly raised after a year. That did not prevent infections a year later, but subsequent infections led to few, if any, symptoms and a shorter period of viral shedding.

 

The OC43 coronavirus offers a model for where this pandemic might go. That virus also gives humans common colds, but genetic research from the University of Leuven in Belgium suggests that OC43 might have been a killer in the past11. That study indicates that OC43 spilled over to humans in around 1890 from cows, which got it from mice. The scientists suggest that OC43 was responsible for a pandemic that killed more than one million people worldwide in 1889–90 — an outbreak previously blamed on influenza. Today, OC43 continues to circulate widely and it might be that continual exposure to the virus keeps the great majority of people immune to it.
 

But even if that process made OC43 less deadly, it is not yet clear whether something similar would happen with SARS-CoV-2. A study in monkeys showed that they retained antibodies to SARS-CoV-2, but the researchers only reported on the first 28 days after infection, so it is unclear how long the immunity lasted12. Concentrations of antibodies against SARS-CoV also dropped significantly over a two- to three-year period13. Whether those lowered levels would be enough to prevent infection or reduce severity has not been tested. Cats, cows, dogs and chickens do not seem to become immune to the sometimes deadly coronaviruses that infect them, leaving veterinarians over the years to scramble for vaccines. Despite all the questions about whether people retain any immunity to SARS-CoV-2, some countries are promoting the idea of giving survivors ‘immunity passports’ to allow them to venture out without fear of being infected or infecting others.
 

Many scientists are reserving judgement on whether the tamer coronaviruses were once as virulent as SARS-CoV-2. People like to think that “the other coronaviruses were terrible and became mild”, says Perlman. “That’s an optimistic way to think about what’s going on now, but we don’t have evidence.”



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Posted 08 May 2020 - 04:57 PM

 

Computer Model That Locked Down The World Turns Out To Be Sh*tcode

It was an Imperial College computer model that forecasted 500K deaths in the UK (and 2.5 million in the US) should policymakers pursue a “herd immunity” approach (a la Sweden), that influenced them to reverse course and go full lockdown instead.

A code review has been undertaken by an anonymous ex-Google software engineer here, who tells us the GitHub repository code has been heavily massaged by Microsoft engineers, and others, in an effort to whip the code into shape to safely expose it to the pubic. Alas, they seem to have failed and numerous flaws and bugs from the original software persist in the released version. Requests for the unedited version of the original code behind the model have gone unanswered.

In one instance, a team at the Edinburgh University attempted to modify the code so that they could store the data in tables that would make it more efficient to load and run. Performance issues aside, simply moving or optimizing where the input data comes from should have no effect on the output of processing, given the same input data. What the Edinburgh team found however, was this optimization produced a variation in the output, “the resulting predictions varied by around 80,000 deaths after 80 days” which is nearly 3X the total number of UK deaths to date.

Edinburgh reported the bug to Imperial, who dismissed it as “a small non-determinism” and told them the problem goes away if you run the code on a single CPU (which the reviewer notes “is as far away from supercomputing as one can get”).

Alas, the Edinburgh team found that software still produced different results if it was run on a single CPU. It shouldn’t, provided it is coded properly. Whether the software is run on a single CPU or multi-threaded, the only difference should be the speed at which the output is produced. Given the same input conditions, the outputs should be the same. It isn’t, and Imperial knew this.

Most of us are familiar with the computing adage, “Garbage In/Garbage Out” and the untrained reader may think that’s what being asserted in this code review. It isn’t. What’s being asserted is that output is garbage, regardless of the input.

More HERE

 


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Posted 09 May 2020 - 11:40 PM

My own updated calculation of the state all countries affected:
 
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4 weeks ago (18 March) - there were 20 countries that had tested at least 1000 Covid positives. Only Italy had a somewhat unusual mortality rate at that time, compared to its very low rate in 2017. 5% of countries.
 
9 days later (27 March), there were already 43 countries with more than 1000 Covid positives tested. Of these, the countries with high pneumonia mortality have risen to 3 (San Marino, Italy and Spain). 7% of countries.
 
Only 5 days later, on April 1st, there were 50 countries with more than 1000 positive covids, and already 7 countries with remarkably high mortality. 14% of the countries affected. A doubling in 5 days!
 
Now after 2 more weeks 87 countries with more than 1000 positive tested. 14 countries with higher mortality. 16% of the countries affected. It has really slowed down!

 

10 days later there are 110 countries with above 1000 positives. Only 13 countries with higher mortality. With 13% of countries affected, its now clearly declining already. (below shreenshots in 4 parts, click each to enlarge and see details)
 
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The majority of all by covid affected countries - 97 (83.4% of the world population)- experienced only 30% of the 2017 average influencia and pneumonia mortality-rate (calculated for those affected countries and the individual time period). Only 13 countries (4.1% of the world-population) experienced till now an in average 7 times higher mortality. For all these 110 covid-affected countries that amounts to 20% higher mortality than in 2017.
 
However, calculated for all countries of this world it is now only at about 60% of those who died in 2017 of influenzia/pneumonia in 2017 in equal periods.

 

The worldwide covid situation in comparison to the average influencia and pneumonia mortality, 15 days later again (6 separate screenshoots, click to enlarge each)

 

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162 countries in total now affected by covid deaths, only 18 of them with much more than the usual average 2017 influenca and pneumonia mortality. Reduced now to 11.2% of affected countries.

 

And we are now at only 26% of the whole worlds influencia and pneumonia mortality during the same time period in 2017.


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Posted 10 May 2020 - 06:00 PM

This is the problem with taking strong measures to ameliorate a pandemic:

 

      If the strong measures work, it looks like you did too much and were an alarmist.

 

      If the measures fail, then you didn't do enough and massive casualties result.

 

Looking at lower death rates after measures have been taken and saying that it was unnecessary is an example of the former fallacy.


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Posted 11 May 2020 - 11:52 AM

This is the problem with taking strong measures to ameliorate a pandemic:

 

      If the strong measures work, it looks like you did too much and were an alarmist.

 

      If the measures fail, then you didn't do enough and massive casualties result.

 

Looking at lower death rates after measures have been taken and saying that it was unnecessary is an example of the former fallacy.

 

That's why I right from the beginning of looking at these parameters said repeatedly, death rates can't be taken for arguing for or against brude-lockdown. Since except the more experienced countries (Taiwan, South Korea, Hongkong, Japan), all who took to brude lockdown did so too late out of panic seeing the death-rate rise - therefore much too late - and therefore clearly self-selecting for higher mortality.
 


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Posted 11 May 2020 - 05:45 PM

German newspaper editorial by leading scientists/academics are on the same page (more or less) as pamojja - saying the extreme lockdown measures (for everyone) were probably not necessary since the disease was first and continues to be mostly among people with co-morbitities and the frail elderly, and the true mortality rate is likely not much worse than a bad flu season.

 

Sadly, it seems for some politicians there is no number of future lives they will not sacrifice in order to save one life today. Prudent policy-makers should be able to think past the present day. Our leaders seem to have panicked just as much as the general public. Time for more balance.


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Posted 12 May 2020 - 12:46 AM

Coronavirus: Germany infection rate rises as lockdown eases

    10 May 2020

Coronavirus infections are rising in Germany, official data shows, just days after the country eased its lockdown restrictions.

According to the Robert Koch Institute (RKI), the reproduction rate - the estimated number of people a confirmed patient infects - is now above 1.

This means the number of infections is now rising in the country.

The report came as thousands of Germans gathered on Saturday calling for a total end to the lockdown.

Chancellor Angela Merkel announced a broad relaxation of national restrictions on Wednesday after talks with the leaders of Germany's 16 states.

All shops are allowed to reopen, pupils will gradually return to class and the Bundesliga - Germany's top football league - will restart as soon as next weekend.


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Posted 12 May 2020 - 12:49 AM

32 prominent economists from both parties sign letter arguing that saving lives from coronavirus would also save the economy.

 

Economic Strategy Group Statement on COVID-19 Pandemic and Economic Crisis
March 25 2020 • AESG

The COVID-19 pandemic is at once threatening American lives, the sustainability of our nation’s health care system, and our economic prosperity. Our paramount concern at this moment should be to slow the spread of this virus and equip our health care system to effectively respond. Saving lives and saving the economy are not in conflict right now; we will hasten the return to robust economic activity by taking steps to stem the spread of the virus and save lives.

Public and private sector actors must work together to provide more tests, more ventilators, more personal protective equipment, and more support for hospitals and health care facilities. Only when we have made progress on these fronts will US businesses and consumers be able to resume normal economic activity without inducing a resurgent spread that leads to even more severe health and economic effects.

We are deeply troubled by the prospect of a sustained recession that would erode the economic livelihood of millions of Americans. While Americans practice social distancing and medical professionals work to save lives, policy makers should put measures in place to support households and businesses through this difficult period. These collective efforts will allow more businesses to get up and running again as soon as possible and minimize the severity of the economic hardship on the American people.


Signatories

Henry M. Paulson, Jr.
74th Secretary of the U.S. Treasury; Co-Chair, Economic Strategy Group

Erskine Bowles
President Emeritus, The University of North Carolina; Co-Chair, Economic Strategy Group

Melissa S. Kearney
Neil Moskowitz Professor of Economics, The University of Maryland; Director, Economic Strategy Group

Adewale Adeyemo
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for International Economics

Ben Bernanke
Former Chairman, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

Joshua Bolten
President & CEO, Business Roundtable; Former Chief of Staff to President George W. Bush

Sylvia Burwell
Former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services; Former Director, Office of Management and Budget

Lanhee Chen
David and Diane Steffy Research Fellow, Hoover Institution

Dave Cote
Executive Chairman, Vertiv Holdings

James S. Crown
Chairman and CEO, Henry Crown and Company

Dr. Sue Desmond-Hellmann
Senior Advisor,  Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

Diana Farrell
Founding President & CEO, JPMorgan Chase Institute; Former Deputy Director, National Economic Council

Jason Furman
Former Chairman, Council of Economic Advisers; Professor of the Practice of Economic Policy, Harvard Kennedy School of Government

Timothy Geithner
75th Secretary of the Treasury; President, Warburg Pincus

Austan Goolsbee
Former Chairman, Council of Economic Advisers; Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business

Douglas Holtz-Eakin
Former Director, Congressional Budget Office; President, American Action Forum

Glenn Hubbard
Former Chairman, Council of Economic Advisers; Dean Emeritus, Columbia Business School

Neel Kashkari
President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis; Former Assistant Secretary, U.S.Treasury

Edward Lazear
Former Chairman, U.S. Council of Economic Advisers; Davies Family Professor of Economics, Stanford Graduate School of Business

Maya MacGuineas
President, Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

N. Gregory Mankiw
Former Chairman, Council on Economic Advisers; Robert M. Beren Professor of Economics, Harvard University

Janet Murguia
President and CEO, UnidosUS

Michael Nutter
Former Mayor, City of Philadelphia; Professor of Practice, Columbia University School of International and Public Affairs

James W. Owens
Chairman and CEO Emeritus, Caterpillar Inc.

John Podesta
Founder and Director, Center for American Progress

James Poterba
Mitsui Professor of Economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Penny Pritzker
38th U.S. Secretary of Commerce; Chairman & Founder, PSP Partners

Bruce Reed
CEO of Civic; Former Chief of Staff, Vice President Joe Biden

Robert E. Rubin
70th Secretary of the U.S. Treasury; Co-Chairman Emeritus, Council on Foreign Relations

Margaret Spellings
Former U.S. Secretary of Education; President and Chief Executive Officer, Texas 2036

Gene Sperling
Former Director, National Economic Council

Robert K. Steel
Chairman of Advisory, Perella Weinberg Partners; Former Under Secretary of the U.S. Treasury for Domestic Finance

Lawrence H. Summers
71st Secretary of the U.S. Treasury; Charles W. Eliot University Professor and President Emeritus, Harvard University

Janet Yellen
Former Chair, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System

Jeffrey Zients
Former Director, National Economic Council; CEO, Cranemere


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Posted 12 May 2020 - 01:43 AM

All payments should be frozen equally as long as the lock down..... Then maybe we don't lose as many jobs
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Posted 12 May 2020 - 02:24 AM

Latest coronavirus antibody testing of UK population shows that SARS-CoV-2 death rate is 1.21%.

 

In fact, the death rate may be a little higher than this, because some COVID-19 deaths are not being reported, and if we include estimates for these unreported deaths, then the death rate comes to 1.73%.

 

This makes coronavirus at least 12 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which has a 0.1% death rate.

 

Don't forget that Europe and New York has nastier strains of coronavirus than the bulk of America, so the US death rate may actually be lower than the European one.


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#441 smithx

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Posted 12 May 2020 - 05:15 AM

Latest coronavirus antibody testing of UK population shows that SARS-CoV-2 death rate is 1.21%.

 

Interesting, but more or less meaningless without knowing the sensitivity and selectivity of the antibody test they used.



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Posted 12 May 2020 - 07:18 AM

A plea from a police officer to his fellow officers:

 

 

Days later:

 

 

An other brave one:

 

 

 


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Posted 12 May 2020 - 07:34 AM

Versus the counterarguments:

 


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Posted 12 May 2020 - 11:40 AM

Interesting, but more or less meaningless without knowing the sensitivity and selectivity of the antibody test they used.

 

It is likely the new Roche antibody test, which is the most accurate so far.  It's reported as > 99.8% on both sensitivity and specificity.

 

It's one of the first antibody tests that can give you a reasonable error window even for a relatively naive population.  In a place where even 1% of people are confirmed, like NYC, the chances of a false positive result are now much lower than the chances of a true positive result.

 

This 1.21% figure is very much what I expect, it is what you saw on the Grand Princess.  It is about half of the reported 2-3% figure, which I assumed they were only detecting about 40-50% of actual infections.  It is a happy compromise, for me, to be reached with all the herd immunity bros.



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Posted 15 May 2020 - 10:52 PM

Latest coronavirus antibody testing of UK population shows that SARS-CoV-2 death rate is 1.21%.

 

In fact, the death rate may be a little higher than this, because some COVID-19 deaths are not being reported, and if we include estimates for these unreported deaths, then the death rate comes to 1.73%.

 

This makes coronavirus at least 12 times more deadly than seasonal flu, which has a 0.1% death rate.

 

Don't forget that Europe and New York has nastier strains of coronavirus than the bulk of America, so the US death rate may actually be lower than the European one.

 

Any more updates showing a similar percentage?  It would be nice to have some stronger ammo against all the disinformation out there.



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Posted 19 May 2020 - 08:22 PM

Any more updates showing a similar percentage?  It would be nice to have some stronger ammo against all the disinformation out there.

 
A list of antibody studies:

1) Covid-19 infection fatality rates (IFR) based on antibody studies

Population-based antibody seroprevalence studies.

Country 	Published 	Population 	        IFR (%)     Source

Germany 	May 4 	        Heinsberg Cluster 	<0.36¹ 	    Study
Iran 	        May 1 	        Guilan province 	<0.12 	    Study
USA 	        April 30 	Santa Clara County 	0.17 	    Study
Denmark 	April 28 	Blood donors (<70y) 	0.08 	    Study
USA 	        April 24 	Miami-Dade County 	0.18² 	    Report
USA 	        April 21 	Los Angeles County 	<0.20 	    Study

1) The adjusted IFR is 0.278% (see page 9 of study); 2) Based on 300 deaths.

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Posted 20 May 2020 - 03:24 PM

 

I see.  Sadly all were released prior to the Roche antibody test being put in production on May 3rd.

 

I am mostly interested in seroprevalance studies which have confirmed specificity values above 99.5%.  Thank you


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Posted 24 May 2020 - 11:17 PM

The worldwide covid situation in comparison to the average influencia and pneumonia mortality, 15 days later again (6 separate screenshoots, click to enlarge each)

 

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162 countries in total now affected by covid deaths, only 18 of them with much more than the usual average 2017 influenca and pneumonia mortality. Reduced now to 11.2% of affected countries.

 

And we are now at only 26% of the whole worlds influencia and pneumonia mortality during the same time period in 2017.

 

An other 15 days later uploaded the spreadsheet actualized to https://docs.google....6wFX38K/pubhtml
 


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 05:46 PM

Pamojja, thanks for putting in the effort to track the statistics. You were close to spot on from the beginning, unlike many others who are not looking at the current data, but seem to cling to the original "millions and millions are going to die, run hide, fear, panic" mantra.

 

The highest IFR's wth this virus have always been in the the elderly populations of the world. The countries with the highest percentage of people in Long Term Care Facilities (Europe and the U.S.), have experienced the most trouble.

 

For healthy people under 75, this disease is hardly any worse than the seasonal flu, in fact, for people under 30, it is milder than the flu. Unlike the Spanish flu which struck all age groups almost equally, this disease is one of people in ill-health (mainly obese) and in the frail elderly.

 

The continued insistence on lock-downs for everyone is now just killing a lot of people who didn't have to worry about dying from COVID-19. It is a society-wide tragedy unfolding before our eyes.


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Posted 26 May 2020 - 05:55 PM

For healthy people under 75, this disease is hardly any worse than the seasonal flu, in fact, for people under 30, it is milder than the flu. Unlike the Spanish flu which struck all age groups almost equally, this disease is one of people in ill-health (mainly obese) and in the frail elderly.

 

That is a bit like saying apart from the unfortunate people caught at ground zero, the effects of an atom bomb are hardly worse than a conventional explosive!

 

Caring societies do not count anyone as expendable, even if they are obese, have underlying health conditions, or are old. 


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