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[kurdishfella]

Well next time you step out in the road, and notice a speeding car is rapidly approaching, don't just jump out of the way, take out your notepad and perform a risk/benefit analysis of jumping first!

 

Emergency situations require emergency actions. That's commonsense, but the pandemic has shown there is a lack of that among much of the human race. 

Wouldn't it be human races or species?  

[Hip]

Wouldn't it be human races or species?  

 

Human race is a standard English idiom meaning all of humanity, even though the term race normally refers to a sub-species of humanity. 

[Mind]

The pandemic response did not stop COVID from spreading anywhere in the world. The pandemic response has created a lot of suffering and death on its own. Young kids suffered the worst. There might be more incompetence and fraud behind the scenes than we can imagine.

 

Tangentially related to COVID, a recent fraudulent biotech company disaster.

 

Invoking his close friendship and mentee relationship with Dr. Anthony Fauci and his relationship with Bill Gates, Dybul called Gumrukcu a “rare genius” who had come up with platforms to cure HIV, hepatitis B, all strains of influenza, Zika, dengue fever, and COVID. Dybul also wrote that the now-accused murderer was “deeply compassionate, empathetic, and approachable”, providing his “strongest recommendation”.

 

 

More directly related to the awful COVID pandemic response - A top Facebook science fact-checker is apparently hiding from authorities. No more need to wonder why and how Facebook was censoring legitimate science. Just think about how legitimate helpful science was denied from the population at larger due to "fact-checkers" who were not even remotely qualified to "fact check".

 

Meanwhile in China, different levels of government seem to be paralyzed about the "zero-COVID" policy. XI and LI are in open disagreement (dangerous for LI, he might disappear soon). Local officials in Shanghai are afraid to end the deadly and de-humanizing 2 month lockdown because they don't want to be blamed for new cases.

 

 

[Mind]

Doctors are suing the FDA over the restriction placed upon doctors when trying to save patients using different COVID treatments. I hope they are successful.

 

The vitriolic hatred and public destruction of every researcher, doctor, health practitioner, or bio-hackers who offered alterative methods to combat COVID was the worst part about the public health response. The leaders of the WHO, FDA, CDC, who led this scorched earth policy should be fired. If a worse pandemic develops at some point in the future, we need diverse ideas, diverse options, etc.. in order to produce the best outcome. The single-minded single-solution idea, driven by our leading health bureaucrats was a total failure. These leaders should be fired.

Edited by Mind, 13 June 2022 - 07:48 PM.

[Hip]

Doctors are suing the FDA over the restriction placed upon doctors when trying to save patients using different COVID treatments. I hope they are successful.

 

I think the doctors are just upset they could not make megabucks during the pandemic by offering unproven treatments like ivermectin to desperate patients. 

 

Another recent large-scale trial using high doses of ivermectin (600 mcg/kg) failed to find any benefit for COVID. 

[Daniel Cooper]

I think the doctors are just upset they could not make megabucks during the pandemic by offering unproven treatments like ivermectin to desperate patients. 

 

Another recent large-scale trial using high doses of ivermectin (600 mcg/kg) failed to find any benefit for COVID. 

 

They made a hell of a lot of money prescribing remdesivir which is probably about as useful as HCQ or ivermectin.

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 14 June 2022 - 06:37 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

For those who can handle the truth: 

 

 

When you find yourself in a deep dark hole with a shovel in your hand, the firs thing you want to do is...  STOP DIGGING!  

[Mind]

For those who can handle the truth: 

 

 

When you find yourself in a deep dark hole with a shovel in your hand, the firs thing you want to do is...  STOP DIGGING!  

 

I said this from the beginning. Everyone will get COVID. The public health policy surrounding this pandemic has been an unmitigated disaster, both in the direct effects (never stopped wave after wave of COVID in any country), and the indirect effects (disruption of lives and the economy). People that lead the NIH, FDA, WHO, CDC , need to be fired.

[Daniel Cooper]

The biggest problem is that Fauci is a "vaccine man". This was the problem with his response to the AIDs epidemic as well.

 

It was becoming clear about 18 months into this ordeal that no matter how well the vaccines initially worked, their effect would diminish as subsequent boosters were given. This was a well known issue with flu vaccines going back several years, but it isn't so much of a problem with influenza since the problem strains vary from year to year and are normally significantly different enough that this isn't an issue.

 

But once it was clear that the immune response would diminish with each booster, the focus should have shifted to therapeutics. But Fauci has had little interest in therapeutics for his entire career.

 

Fortunately this viral pandemic is following the arc of most pandemics of this sort by mutating into less lethal forms as time goes on.

 

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 20 June 2022 - 04:37 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

The biggest problem is that Fauci is a "vaccine man". This was the problem with his response to the AIDs epidemic as well.

 

It was becoming clear about 18 months into this ordeal that no matter how well the vaccines initially worked, their effect would diminish as subsequent boosters were given. This was a well known issue with flu vaccines going back several years, but it isn't so much of a problem with influenza since the problem strains vary from year to year and are normally significantly different enough that this isn't an issue.

 

But once it was clear that the immune response would diminish with each booster, the focus should have shifted to therapeutics. But Fauci has had little interest in therapeutics for his entire career.

 

Fortunately this viral pandemic is following the arc of most pandemics of this sort by mutating into less lethal forms as time goes on.

 

Yep...  Ralph Baric, the Godfather of coronavirus research told us way back in 2015, vaccines would not work and were not the answer: 

 

A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence (2015)

 

“Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein”

 

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The "Pfizer Papers" from the original vaccine trials also indicated waning effectiveness over the short time of their study, but apparently this was never communicated, as Fauci & the CDC both said emphatically, "if you get vaccinated, you will not get or spread COVID".  

 

Amazing we're still chasing the vaccine dream, with pitifully little progress in therapeutics.  

[Mind]

Of course the COVID health APPs are being used by the dictator of China to freeze bank accounts. Duh!

 

It will happen in the "west" as well, if health/vaccine passports become widespread.

[Dorian Grey]

Was Omicron a lab created "fix" for the pandemic?  

 

 

If it was, a NOBEL Prize may be in order!  

[Daniel Cooper]

Was Omicron a lab created "fix" for the pandemic?  

 

 

If it was, a NOBEL Prize may be in order!  

 

It occurred to me when this pandemic started that if you really knew what you were doing you could engineer a variant that would have the following three characteristics:

 

1.) It would be more transmissible so that it would out compete the original variants.

2.) It would confer a reasonable amount of immunity against the original variants and any likely mutant strains.

3.) It would be significantly less lethal than the original variants. 

 

If you were smart enough to do all that, then yeah - what you'd  essentially have done is create a virus that acted as a vaccine. And that should work.

 

BUT ........ there is every chance you might screw that up because you didn't foresee how the virus would act in the wild or how it would act in billions of test subjects. You might well create a virus that's an even bigger problem than what you started with. I don't think anyone would attempt this for that reason alone. We're not yet that good in engineering viruses and understanding all the implications of how they will infect and mutate in a host population. If you kill a few hundred million people and it ever got out what you'd done .... there would be no place sufficient to hide on this planet.

 

And ...... you'd only be speeding up the inevitable. This virus was always destined to mutate into more transmissible and less lethal forms. That's why every pandemic virus that ever existed in history isn't killing large numbers of people today. Furthermore, this shift to more transmissible/less lethal forms has historically happened in about a 2-3 year time frame. In other words, about the time frame we have witnessed here.

 

No, I think we are witnessing the normal progression of viral pandemics based on the history of these things as we understand it.

[Advocatus Diaboli]

re post 313:

 

...and then, there is the potential for this, which others on LongeCity have linked to.

 

"I SERIOUSLY expect that a series of new highly virulent and highly infectious SARS-CoV-2 (SC-2) variants will now rapidly and independently emerge in highly vaccinated countries all over the world and that they will soon spread at high pace. I expect the current pattern of repetitive infections and relatively mild disease in vaccinees to soon aggravate and be replaced by severe disease and death. Unfortunately, there is no way vaccinees can rely on assistance from their innate immune system to protect against coronaviruses as their relevant innate IgM antibodies are increasingly being outcompeted by infection-enhancing vaccinal Abs, which are continuously recalled due to the circulation of highly infectious Omicron variants. In contrast, Omicron’s high infectiousness would enable the non-vaccinated to train their innate immune defense against SC-2 while the infectious and pathogenic capacity of the new SC-2 variants would be debilitated in the non-vaccinated for lack of infection-enhancing Abs in their blood. Unless..."

 

Geert Vanden Bossche

 

Your 3-characteristic engineering might have worked, Daniel Cooper, if there weren't any vaccines confounding the situation.

Edited by Advocatus Diaboli, 23 June 2022 - 09:50 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

re post 313:

 

...and then, there is the potential for this, which others on LongeCity have linked to.

 

"I SERIOUSLY expect that a series of new highly virulent and highly infectious SARS-CoV-2 (SC-2) variants will now rapidly and independently emerge in highly vaccinated countries all over the world and that they will soon spread at high pace. I expect the current pattern of repetitive infections and relatively mild disease in vaccinees to soon aggravate and be replaced by severe disease and death. Unfortunately, there is no way vaccinees can rely on assistance from their innate immune system to protect against coronaviruses as their relevant innate IgM antibodies are increasingly being outcompeted by infection-enhancing vaccinal Abs, which are continuously recalled due to the circulation of highly infectious Omicron variants. In contrast, Omicron’s high infectiousness would enable the non-vaccinated to train their innate immune defense against SC-2 while the infectious and pathogenic capacity of the new SC-2 variants would be debilitated in the non-vaccinated for lack of infection-enhancing Abs in their blood. Unless..."

 

Geert Vanden Bossche

 

Your 3-characteristic engineering might have worked, Daniel Cooper, if there weren't any vaccines confounding the situation.

 

We shall see. I certainly hope he's wrong.

 

I have a vague memory of Geert making some somewhat left field predictions early in the pandemic. Anyone know if they came true?

 

ETA: A little research shows me that what I remembered and Geert's thesis above are one in the same. It looks like he sent a letter detailing his theory of viral escape and devastating worldwide consequences to the WHO sometime around March 6 2021.

 

I think it is incumbent on Geert to give us some time brackets on when his proposed apocalypse is scheduled to happen. We are currently at T+15 months since he initially rang the alarm bells on this.  That's no guarantee that it won't happen, but if he knows so precisely what is going to happen he should have some idea of timeline.

 

 

 

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 24 June 2022 - 12:34 AM.

[Daniel Cooper]

 

Your 3-characteristic engineering might have worked, Daniel Cooper, if there weren't any vaccines confounding the situation.

 

I'm frazzled from the after effects of a virus that escaped a lab by accident. I can only image the fallout from a virus that was engineered and released on purpose.

 

Our history of releasing biological organisms purposely to addressing various issues is shall we say .... a bit spotty.

 

I mean Kudzu alone threatens to devour the entire Southeastern US.  I advise caution. 

[Mind]

For those who think the dehumanizing, deadly, traumatizing COVID actions of the Chinese dictatorship will not spread elsewhere, witness the EU approving the Digital COVID pass, even though the public commentary was almost 100% against it. THEY.....DON'T.....CARE about your opinion or input.

[Mind]

Finally, the lawsuits are flying. When social media censored real science and data about COVID, it caused harm, not only to those particular social media users, but to society at large. How many people could have been saved if a multi-modal effort, and discussion of such efforts, was allowed in the public square during the COVID experience?

 

Doctors are suing Twitter for censoring legit COVID data and research.

 

Alex Berenson settles out of court with Twitter. It was an open-and-shut case, since a senior exec at Twitter told Berenson they were banning him, even though he had done nothing wrong....just sharing real COVID data.

 

Austrian Health minister is blaming doctors for not warning patients about the negative side effects of the "100% safe and effective" COVID injections (according to some of the incompetent and unethical leaders of  CDC, NIH, WHO, FDA). What were the doctors supposed to do? Not give out the injections? There was a coordinated hate-filled, scorched-earth politically-motivated campaign against anyone who said anything negative about the injections. In the U.S. doctors were harassed and threatened with destruction of their lives and careers if they said anything contrary to the edicts of the health bureaucracy,

[zorba990]

In other news, the peasant uprising has been cancelled due to premature resignations (and likely escape abroad)
https://www.dailymai...-Brexit-PM.html

Also in the US those pesky clinical trials that slow down drug approval will now be summarily avoided :
https://twitter.com/...108290368376833
"The REAL story yesterday was the FDA granting Pfizer and all other Big Pharma companies the RIGHT to alter their drug makeups
WITHOUT CLINICAL TRIALS. By a 19-2 vote, the FDA approved a motion to avoid
clinical trials by stating “The evaluation of modified vaccines for the purpose of vaccine strain composition decisions will need to rely
mainly on comparative immunogenicity data due to the time constraints involved in vaccine manufacturing and clinical efficacy evaluation."

I am sure they will just cancel VAERS next since all that pest data gets in the way of the spoon feeding. Interesting times!

[calimero]

Vaccine: fourth dose against Covid, in Switzerland now the responsibility lies with doctors

 

In Ticino, Switzerland, the Cantonal Doctor's Office obliges the prescribing physician to take all civil and criminal responsibilities relating to vaccination, not having data on efficacy and safety. Having no data on efficacy and safety means injecting poison into the deltoid.

In short, for the fourth dose, civil and criminal liability now passes to the doctor who prescribes it, who must deliver a document to the vaccinated person ( see here ).

While the president of the cantonal directors of health asks Bern to authorize it, the certificate and informed consent arrive in Ticino: "We have no data on the efficacy and safety of such a vaccination scheme".

In summary, the message seems clear  and it is undoubtedly a paradigm shift in health policy: if the doctor prescribes the second booster, he takes responsibility for it, with all the annexes and connected ones. 

 

[Mind]

Vaccine: fourth dose against Covid, in Switzerland now the responsibility lies with doctors

 

In Ticino, Switzerland, the Cantonal Doctor's Office obliges the prescribing physician to take all civil and criminal responsibilities relating to vaccination, not having data on efficacy and safety. Having no data on efficacy and safety means injecting poison into the deltoid.

In short, for the fourth dose, civil and criminal liability now passes to the doctor who prescribes it, who must deliver a document to the vaccinated person ( see here ).

While the president of the cantonal directors of health asks Bern to authorize it, the certificate and informed consent arrive in Ticino: "We have no data on the efficacy and safety of such a vaccination scheme".

In summary, the message seems clear  and it is undoubtedly a paradigm shift in health policy: if the doctor prescribes the second booster, he takes responsibility for it, with all the annexes and connected ones. 

 

No more boosters in Switzerland, I suspect.

 

"No data on safety and efficacy...". All of the data coming in proves that the COVID injections are nowhere near as safe and effective as previous vaccines most people are familiar with. In comparison, the COVID injections are an expensive utter failure.

[Mind]

Subjects of the dictator in China must be really mad and the dictatorship must sense it. China scraps mandatory vaccine requirement in 48 hours after public outcry. In a country where your life is at risk when you question the dictator, this is a surprise.

 

 

[Mind]

New York's tyrannical COVID rules are struck down. The judge mentioned that there was no expert testimony or scientific data to back up the rules (forced quarantines and passports). There never has been any data. The COVID response from public health agencies was a total failure - never stopping the spread of the disease at any time in the last two years (in countries which are not strict dictatorships or remote island nations).

[albedo]

No more boosters in Switzerland, I suspect.

 

"No data on safety and efficacy...". All of the data coming in proves that the COVID injections are nowhere near as safe and effective as previous vaccines most people are familiar with. In comparison, the COVID injections are an expensive utter failure.

 

"No more boosters in Switzerland, I suspect."

Mind, I am afraid unfortunately not:

https://www.bag.admi...g-id-89625.html

 

But the legal point on liability being now with the MD is a very interesting one. Consider also that different Cantons (the equivalent of US States, such as Ticino) might have different policies.

 

And to close with my favorite often closing quote from Dorian Gray also writing on LC ... "it is going to be a fine mess" :-)

Edited by albedo, 15 July 2022 - 09:03 PM.

[albedo]

We shall see. I certainly hope he's wrong.

 

I have a vague memory of Geert making some somewhat left field predictions early in the pandemic. Anyone know if they came true?

 

ETA: A little research shows me that what I remembered and Geert's thesis above are one in the same. It looks like he sent a letter detailing his theory of viral escape and devastating worldwide consequences to the WHO sometime around March 6 2021.

 

I think it is incumbent on Geert to give us some time brackets on when his proposed apocalypse is scheduled to happen. We are currently at T+15 months since he initially rang the alarm bells on this.  That's no guarantee that it won't happen, but if he knows so precisely what is going to happen he should have some idea of timeline.

 

Have been also following Geert and feel too time frames have been often very vague or not met. But is that really important? I do certainly like (naive?) to find a serious debate on his view by experts of the same league. By a coincidence I posted here with a (awful) update from him dated July 13.
 

[Mind]

Ethical employees at the FDA and CDC are quitting - tired of the being forced to NOT follow the science.

 

Frontline health workers are openly questioning why LA county is considering a new indoor mask mandate. It is about time to ask more questions.

[Mind]

The unofficial policy of fomenting unbridled anger toward scientists and doctors raising questions about COVID policies was a total failure and more lawsuits are flying. Hopefully social media companies like Google, Facebook, and Twitter are convicted of conspiring with the US government to violate free-speech rights.

[bladedmind]

Mind, thanks for keeping at it. 

 

In threads now years past I urged the ShriekFollowTheScience! commenters to examine philosopher Cartwright’s Evidence-Based Policy for a more sophisticated understanding of the scientific attitude.

 

People can be crudely scientistic (rather than properly scientific) from epistemological naivete.   A further error is political naivete. 

 

A problem as big as the exclusion of all available evidence is the fraudulence of corporate-funded evidence generated by supposedly gold-standard trials.   See this useful review of of The Illusion of Evidence-Based Medicine: Exposing the crisis of credibility in clinical research. 

 

Authors' summary:  Evidence based medicine has been corrupted by corporate interests, failed regulation, and commercialisation of academia

 

 

 

[Mind]

Lawsuits might be forthcoming revolving around Governments spying on people through their COVID websites. They are not even remotely following the user privacy laws that they instituted for private websites.

 

A judge has ordered the COVID censorship lawsuit to move forward.

 

It was pretty obvious early on that the lockdown policy was not working. COVID was spreading everywhere anyway. However, if you mentioned this obvious fact publicly, you were heaped with scorn, threatened, harassed, endlessly mocked. CDC data reveals what we knew all along, lockdowns with this disease outbreak did more harm than good.

[Mind]

The modelling of the pandemic was awful. Is anyone looking into this? It could be something useful in the future if competent people are put in charge of the modelling.

 

Fewer bureaucrats who have ZERO background in science, immunology, virology, or epidemiology should be in charge of pandemic policies in the future.