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[Mind]

Sorry if you have seen this from Carl Heneghan et al: https://trusttheevid...tm_medium=email

 

In addition, U.S. National media was so awful with their constant fear-mongering during the pandemic that most people think the IFR from COVID is 10%. Therefore, most people think the IFR is about ONE HUNDRED times greater than reality, and about 1,000 to 10,000 times greater than reality for children.

 

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Recall when people suggested that proper nutrition, exercise, and supplements could boost your immune function and lessen your chance of bad COVID outcomes? This is absolutely true and backed-up by decades of peer-reviewed science. Yet, anyone who mentioned this during the pandemic, they were ridiculed. Vicious attacks were common in public and online. The COVID rage mob tried to silence anyone who proposed any alternative helpful modalities.

 

Belittling nutritional science in the context of health, fitness, and aging, is fairly common, although it went into hyperdrive during the COVID pandemic. A recent review of the Association of Nutritionists and Dietetics finds a close relationship with mega-corporations. Roc Ordman details how the FDA is waging a war on common-sense nutrition and supplements. Is it no wonder then that the FDA approved the latest COVID booster without any human trials? When people suggest that the CDC and FDA are wholly owned subsidiaries of big-pharma, they have plenty of evidence.

[Mind]

Let us look back at who was right.

 

The 2 doctors from California who very early on said that the pandemic policies were detrimental. Nearly everything they said was true. They were vilified. Their business was threatened. You know the drill...vein-popping hatred from the COVID rage mob.

 

No one nailed it more than this guy. Remember, he made these statements in early 2020! Nothing worked to stop the spread, just like he predicted, and we ended up getting more of the same failed pandemic policies.

 

To this day, the US is still preventing unvaccinated foreigners from entering the country, even though it is well-known (peer-reviewed research) that the COVID injections DO NOT prevent infection or transmission. There is no rationale for this policy, but US public health authorities have long ago abandoned science.

 

The COVID pandemic policies were an utter and total failure at stopping the virus from spreading. The purveyors of the policies that caused major disruption to human interaction, economies, and health want "amnesty" apparently. Those seeking amnesty say the policies were an honest mistake - that no one knew all the details early in the pandemic. This is utter nonsense. We knew from early data in Italy and from the Diamond Princess cruise ship that the IFR was a fraction of 1% and that it mainly affected elderly people and those with multiple co-morbidities. This "ignorance defense" is not even remotely plausible. Yet, anyone who questioned the pandemic policies was shouted down with excessive vitriol. Their lives, freedom, and jobs were threatened.

 

The reaction to this plea for "amnesty" has been swift and severe. 

 

"You murderous hypocrites"

The great gaslighting on pandemic policies.

There will not be any pandemic amnesty.

You want forgiveness?

 

 

Being lectured to, condemned, ridiculed and hated by elitist bullies is bad enough on a single day or for one issue.

This behavior went on for over two and a half years, for nearly a thousand days, in a thousand ways.  The economic, social, interpersonal, and educational costs associated with the idiotic mandates and unscientific policies will last a lifetime for many, and certainly shortened the lifetimes of many more.

 

We did know that the pandemic policies would fail.

There will be no plea bargain.

 

Edited by Mind, 06 November 2022 - 12:28 PM.

[Mind]

Some people have short-memories regarding the vile hatred spewed out toward anyone who questioned the pandemic policies. It was horrific and terrible for public health.

 

This is rather tame compared to most of what was said against people who did not want the new COVID injections.

 

People forget about the violence, remember the teen that was choked to the point of passing out and dragged on the ground. Just a tiny example of the violence.

 

Guy serves mince pie to a few friends during lockdown in the UK, now getting 6 months in prison.

Edited by Mind, 11 November 2022 - 06:10 PM.

[geo12the]

Some people have short-memories regarding the vile hatred spewed out toward anyone who questioned the pandemic policies. It was horrific and terrible for public health.

 

This is rather tame compared to most of what was said against people who did not want the new COVID injections.

 

People forget about the violence, remember the teen that was choked to the point of passing out and dragged on the ground. Just a tiny example of the violence.

 

Guy serves mince pie to a few friends during lockdown in the UK, now getting 6 months in prison.

 

"Some people have short-memories regarding the vile hatred spewed out toward anyone who questioned the pandemic policies. ." 

 

Crazy people will say crazy things on all sides of the issue. I ignore those voices. 

 

A teen being choked for not wearing a mask is horrible but unfortunately this story is fake, one of many used by the anti-mask crowd to rile people up. In our Alex Jones/Qanon world does truth matter anymore? I guess not if you can be righteous and want to convince people of your cause.  Read here.

 

"Rather, the man was reported to have been thrown out of the Croydon pub for "bad behaviour" before he climbed a fence to regain entry and poured himself a beer from behind the bar."

Edited by geo12the, 12 November 2022 - 05:46 PM.

[joesixpack]

Well, in all fairness, Mind did not say the boy was assaulted for not wearing a mask. He was referring to the atmosphere of violence by people in the mask mandated time period.

 

It pays to look at all the facts. The guard choked the boy out, and threw him headfirst to the floor, when he was unconscious. He then dragged him out to the curb. The guard was fired and under police investigation. While there is no mention of masks, the boy is the only person in the video who is not wearing a mask, and that may have contributed to his mistreatment. Video story here. https://www.youtube....h?v=8FhNDZdXzkE

 

Also, the story of the 72 year old barman going to prison for serving mince pies with wine is true. His neighbors turned him in, his defense was that he thought his property was outside the lockdown area. Here is the story. https://www.zerohedg...during-lockdown

Edited by joesixpack, 12 November 2022 - 10:58 PM.

[geo12the]

Well, in all fairness, Mind did not say the boy was assaulted for not wearing a mask. He was referring to the atmosphere of violence by people in the mask mandated time period.

 

 

 

The link Mind posted was a link to twitter and the headline was "Melbourne teen choked unconscious by security guard for not wearing mask". I am a big advocate for free speech but am also an advocate for the truth and setting the record straight. There is so much BS, so many lies being spewed on social media and unsuspecting people often believe it. For example earlier this week I had to convince my elderly mom that no, Paul Pelosi was not attacked by his gay lover. "then why are there pictures of them in their underwear?" "There ARE NO PICTURES OF THEM IN THEIR UNDERWEAR!". Unfortunately many unsuspecting good trusting people fall for this nonsense.  It's tiring to have to always have to set the record straight on these BS stories meant to manipulate people's emotions and political beliefs. I encourage people to make sure the stuff they post is legit and not fantasy or distorted to such an extent that it's no longer true.

[Mind]

The hatred was real. The violence was real. The ad hominem attacks continue to this day...even in this forum. 

 

Discuss any of the failures of the pandemic policies and you are sure to be called delusion, conspiracy theorist, or all other manner of awful things. People have even called for the arrest of anyone discussing alternative pandemic policies - even in this forum. People lost their careers, reputations, and freedom.

 

You know who you are. Don't try to play innocent. Everyone can see how you behaved.

 

It has been an awful period in public health policy. Instead of honest and open discussion, we got division and hatred all going in one direction. The ongoing attacks are anti-science, anti-freedom, and anti-human.

 

The censorship and viscous attacks have been meticulously documented. It is still amazing to me that former respected leaders in the fields of virology, epidemiology, medicine, etc. were shouted down, attacked, stripped of their credentials, etc. all for asking questions and pointing out flaws in the pandemic policies. Normal scientific discourse was suspended during the pandemic, replaced with hatred and rage.

[geo12the]

The hatred was real. The violence was real. The ad hominem attacks continue to this day...even in this forum. 

 

Discuss any of the failures of the pandemic policies and you are sure to be called delusion, conspiracy theorist, or all other manner of awful things. People have even called for the arrest of anyone discussing alternative pandemic policies - even in this forum. People lost their careers, reputations, and freedom.

 

You know who you are. Don't try to play innocent. Everyone can see how you behaved.

 

It has been an awful period in public health policy. Instead of honest and open discussion, we got division and hatred all going in one direction. The ongoing attacks are anti-science, anti-freedom, and anti-human.

 

The censorship and viscous attacks have been meticulously documented. It is still amazing to me that former respected leaders in the fields of virology, epidemiology, medicine, etc. were shouted down, attacked, stripped of their credentials, etc. all for asking questions and pointing out flaws in the pandemic policies. Normal scientific discourse was suspended during the pandemic, replaced with hatred and rage.

 

You talk about "anti-science" and "division" but most of what you post is inflammatory and meant to stir outrage and division and is often highly exaggerated or outright false, like the story about the teen supposedly beaten up for not wearing a mask. I don't see any interest in exploring views that are even slightly counter to your very dogmatic narratives. I don't see any acknowledgement when false stuff you post is pointed out. For example like the story about the teen. I just see empty virtue signaling and crying about "persecution". "anti-science" -you post more from places like Zero-hedge than science journals. So who is the one who is anti-science? 

[Mind]

 

like the story about the teen supposedly beaten up for not wearing a mask

 

He was just about the only one in the video not wearing a mask. Given the vitriol and rage that was leveled at people questioning the pandemic policies, it is not unreasonable to assume that he was singled out for harsher treatment, even if he was being otherwise unruly.

 

Zerohedge? Once again you are deflecting from actual science and policy discussion through logical non-sequiturs. News aggregator sites exist to save time finding information about various topics. When Zerohedge posts an article about the latest peer reviewed study which found COVID mortality is extremely rare in people under 20...it does not make the peer-reviewed study false. Someone might link to a New York Times article that also highlights this study. That doesn't make it any more true or false. Someone could link to a Young Turks web story covering the same peer reviewed study. It doesn't not make it any more true or false.

[geo12the]

He was just about the only one in the video not wearing a mask. Given the vitriol and rage that was leveled at people questioning the pandemic policies, it is not unreasonable to assume that he was singled out for harsher treatment, even if he was being otherwise unruly.

 

 

 

The story was obviously false. As one of the moderators here you should do your due diligence about the information you share, otherwise you are spreading lies and LongeCity will end up no better than Alex Jones Infowars. Truth should matter more than scoring points for your view that people were too mean to anti-maskers.

[Mind]

The story was obviously false. As one of the moderators here you should do your due diligence about the information you share, otherwise you are spreading lies and LongeCity will end up no better than Alex Jones Infowars. Truth should matter more than scoring points for your view that people were too mean to anti-maskers.

 

Pointing out one instance where the motivations for the violence are not 100% clear does not change the fact that the rage and vitriol were ever present during the last two and a half years. I could post 1000 videos and social media posts demonstrating this fact and I suspect you would still deny the existence - even though the ad hominem attacks and threats were posted here in this forum as well.

[Mind]

I am sure some "public health" bureaucrats would look at China's zero-COVID policy as a success, but when week after week they have to keep locking down major cities because of COVID outbreaks, it doesn't look like that much of a success. Right now in the U.S the vast majority of the population is living life without adhering to any of the failed pandemic policies of the past two years - congregating in stadiums by the 10's of thousands, even hundreds of thousands, all over the country, week after week, for many months now. Over the last 5 months, new cases are a fraction of what they were during the height of the 2020 outbreak - even though at the end of 2020 nearly everyone was wearing masks, many localities were completely locked-down, people were sterilizing everything in sight, plastic barriers were in most public places, and the COVID rage mob was screaming "social distancing" at nearly everyone. On top of that, we are told that the current variants spreading around the world ARE MORE transmissible than the original variants in 2020 - yet we have fewer cases.

[geo12the]

 On top of that, we are told that the current variants spreading around the world ARE MORE transmissible than the original variants in 2020 - yet we have fewer cases.

 

"We are told" -sounds scary! But seriously both can be true. And both probably are true. Natural selection will favor the more transmissible variants. We have fewer cases and the cases are less severe  because most people's immune systems have been exposed to COVID, so the immune systems of most people are better able to prevent infections and fight off the disease than they were at the beginning of the pandemic. It's common sense.

Edited by geo12the, 15 November 2022 - 10:11 PM.

[geo12the]

 I could post 1000 videos and social media posts demonstrating this fact and I suspect you would still deny the existence - even though the ad hominem attacks and threats were posted here in this forum as well.

 

Social media is not an accurate news source. Most of it is made up nonsense manufactured to rile people up. Don't fall for it. Your exaggerations are not reality. 

[joesixpack]

The story was obviously false. As one of the moderators here you should do your due diligence about the information you share, otherwise you are spreading lies and LongeCity will end up no better than Alex Jones Infowars. Truth should matter more than scoring points for your view that people were too mean to anti-maskers.

 

The story was obviously true, Complete with video provided from Australian news sources if you bothered to read and view any of it.

 

Your current ad hominem rants are off the rails - even for you.

 

So, if you don't like the sources of information provided, despite the validity of the information, try this Covid Update from the NIH.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC9062939/

[geo12the]

The story was obviously true, Complete with video provided from Australian news sources if you bothered to read and view any of it.

 

Your current ad hominem rants are off the rails - even for you.

 

So, if you don't like the sources of information provided, despite the validity of the information, try this Covid Update from the NIH.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC9062939/

 

No, it wasn't true. Read here and here "According to Seven News, the 18-year-old had been told to leave the venue earlier in the day due to unruly behaviour, before jumping a fence to sneak back inside and rejoin his friends. Witness Alex Hayhow claimed security guards tried to escort the “rowdy” patron out again before he ran off, jumped behind the bar and poured himself a schooner of beer before being intercepted by security."

 

Truth matters.I will repeat TRUTH MATTERS. How can people like Mind expect to be taken seriously when they post lies and then don't admit that they are lies? Is it that important to support the hypothesis that people are mean to people who don't wear masks by posting a story that is false and then when shown it's false not owning up to it? Social media is full of lies and distortions meant to divide people. I encourage people not to be duped by this BS just because it reinforces your views.

[joesixpack]

If you read and watched the information at the link I posted, it had the same information that you just related, yet you said the story was untrue. 

 

Here is another story about the mRNA vaccine risks regarding myocarditis that you might find of interest. https://www.tctmd.co...vid-19-vaccines. More attention is being paid to the "very rare" cases in young people who are suffering heart damage from myocarditis after 1 or 2 vaccines. Not mentioned in the article is the fact that once the heart muscle sustains damage, the damage remains after "recovery". These vaccines are now recommended for babies.

 

Here is a story indicating that Pfizer and Moderna are finally going to study the long term affects of myocarditis related injuries from mRNA vaccines. https://www.nbcnews....fects-rcna55666 While the conventional "wisdom" has been that the victims fully recover, there are indications that not all do. Since the drug companies cannot be sued for vaccine injuries from their experimental vaccines, there is no downside for them to be involved in the studies.

 

 

[geo12the]

If you read and watched the information at the link I posted, it had the same information that you just related, yet you said the story was untrue. 

 

 

 

The teen was beat up, that part is true. The link Mind posted was to a tweet that claimed "Melbourn teen chocked unconscious for not wearing mask" That part is fake. The teen was beat up for other reasons. The video and story was misrepresented to rile up people: "look at this poor teen beat up for not wearing a mask". It's lies meant to stir emotions and reinforce peoples views. Like Alex Jones crap. Is it too much to ask people don't post lies?

[geo12the]

 

Here is another story about the mRNA vaccine risks regarding myocarditis that you might find of interest. https://www.tctmd.co...vid-19-vaccines. More attention is being paid to the "very rare" cases in young people who are suffering heart damage from myocarditis after 1 or 2 vaccines. Not mentioned in the article is the fact that once the heart muscle sustains damage, the damage remains after "recovery". These vaccines are now recommended for babies.

 

Here is a story indicating that Pfizer and Moderna are finally going to study the long term affects of myocarditis related injuries from mRNA vaccines. https://www.nbcnews....fects-rcna55666 While the conventional "wisdom" has been that the victims fully recover, there are indications that not all do. Since the drug companies cannot be sued for vaccine injuries from their experimental vaccines, there is no downside for them to be involved in the studies.

 

As far as I am concerned more research on the side effects of the vaccines is a good thing.

[Mind]

Social media, this forum, and mainstream media were chock full of vitriol, rage, and ad hominem attacks against anyone who tried to discuss alternative pandemic policies. The calls for jailing unvaccinated people were widespread. Mainstream outlets routinely called mask-less people idiots, even thought real-world data shows that the masks did nothing to stop the spread of COVID. Everyone I know, masked or not, got COVID.

 

I could provide thousands of examples of this ugly counter-productive behavior, but many would still deny it happened. The deniers are exactly the people who engaged in the behavior the most, therefore I never expect an apology.

[Mind]

The de-humanizing rhetoric was all over mainstream media outlets, in social media. and in this forum. It continues and it is horrible for the effectiveness and credibility of "public health".

[Mind]

Even though it was well known from the very beginning that COVID was a mortality risk mainly for the very old and those with multiple co-morbidities (see Finland, average age of COVID victim is 85), public "health" authorities pushed for everyone to be locked-down, for everyone to be isolated, for everyone to wear masks, for everyone to get the injection.

 

The public health bureaucracy was warned about negative side-effects for the pandemic policies but ignored them. Now cancer rates are rising dramatically due to missed screenings. Some people think it is only the beginning.

 

At least in Australia, the government is now acknowledging the heart damage risk associated with the COVID injections. It wasn't too long ago when this topic was labelled a whack-job conspiracy nonsense - when anyone showing peer reviewed research about the subject was dangerous and a threat to society. How quickly things change.

 

Probably due to the fact that the COVID injections do not prevent you from getting ill or transmitting the virus (peer-reviewed research), comes with side-effects, and that everyone who got the injection is still getting COVID, sometimes multiple times, not as many people are getting the booster in the UK.

[Mind]

Zero-COVID is mostly a failure in China as outbreaks were continually happening over the last two years. Finally, people in China are starting to say enough is enough. After a lockdown of 100 days, the deadly fire in a locked-down area of Xinjiang might have been the spark, but now protests in China are growing.

 

 

[Mind]

The protests in China grew to such a level that the CCP is finally loosening their tyrannical COVID policies. People got sick of being treated like cattle, poked and tested constantly, forced to live at factories for weeks at a time, shuttled off to quarantine camps and separated from society. I shudder to think about the thousands of protesters in China that are being tortured and killed behind the scenes.

 

Remember that many politicians, "health" authorities, and governors in the U.S. wanted the same type of restrictions. They view your lives and human rights as meaningless. Most of them are still in power and still flaunting all of the rules and regulations they put in place. The COVID rules are for you common people, not for them. They publicly trashed people who did not want to take the injections. Don't forget. They forced elderly people to isolate, catch COVID, and die depressed, fearful, and alone.

 

 

Edited by Mind, 17 December 2022 - 06:39 PM.

[Mind]

The policy of exploding in rage and destroying the lives of anyone who questioned the COVID policies was terrible and led to a lot of excess death and illness.

 

For those who want to deny this happened...RECALL THIS - one of millions of examples of ghoulish things that happened over the last three years.

 

The COVID policies were an utter failure. Even in China, they eventually gave up on terrorizing the population, locking them up, forcing them to work weeks at a time in a factory, welding them into their apartments, killing their pets, etc... Now their top medical advisor says COVID is just like the flu (it was always comparable to a bad flu season) but people are so programmed to be afraid that they are not going out-and-about en masse.

 

Respiratory viruses eventually find everyone. Everyone in China was going to get COVID eventually, no matter what the government did. Same in every other country. Remember when New Zealand was championed as "beating COVID". They could have kept the island isolated and locked-down forever (or until a real treatment arrived), but COVID would have spread there eventually. Just like in China, they had to relent, otherwise there might have been a rebellion.

[Mind]

Kind-of beating a dead horse here, but the policy of trying to keep everyone locked-down forever and sterilize the planet was a total abject failure. The countries with the most tyrannical lockdowns and most restrictive travel controls (New Zealand, China, Taiwan, etc.) all eventually opened up and all had wave after wave of COVID, just like the rest of the world. China is opening up - virus be damned. They are now recording tens of millions of new cases per day. If COVID is the uber deadly contagion that public fear "health" bureaucracies continue claim, then China should basically disappear from the world stage.  People are fleeing in droves "vacationing" outside of China now. Hong Kong has given up as well. They might as well drop the failed mask policies too.

 

The longer a country/region stays locked-down, the worse off their population will be because they have not been exposed to respiratory viruses that travel around the world constantly. They will have little natural  immunity.

[Mind]

Dr. Scott Atlas says that a lot of people died because of the viscous censorship during the media-created COVID panic. I have to agree with him.

 

It was disturbing to see it all unfold. Prior to 2019, if there was some threat to the population, most discussions were allowed. It was always assumed that diverse voices would produce better outcomes.

 

Not this time around. Any discussion of the pandemic response (the pros and cons) was shut down - SCREAMED down. People were threatened. Lives were destroyed. Dr. Fauci - likely a narcissist and megalomaniac - declared he was "science". No one was allowed to question Dr. Fauci.

 

Any suggestions of staying healthy, taking supplements, and getting exercise to help prevent worse COVID outcomes - were ruthlessly mocked.

 

Then it really got bad when the COVID injections came out. I have never seen so much rage (it has been studied). Even to this day, anyone who asks any question about the COVID injections is being labelled as part of the "world's major killing force".

[Mind]

Amazingly, China has went from a "zero-Covid" policy to a "zero non-Covid" policy in a matter of days. According to this article, it is truly a "let it rip" strategy. According to sources, the Chinese government is now trying to build up natural immunity within country, saying people should go to work if they only have mild symptoms.

 

Just think of all the people who were terrorized, tortured, and killed for the last three years in order to support "zero-Covid" in China. Now, no restrictions. Hopefully they will stop killing pets too.

 

I suspect they finally realized how hoodwinked they were by U.S. national media and U.S. backed public "health" agencies, like the CDC, FDA, WHO, etc. and that they risked destroying the country with "zero-Covid". Amazingly, US media and US public "health" agencies continue to push the super deadly pandemic narrative, even as the rest of the world is dropping it - like Israel.

 

Recent careful systematic reviews of the COVID IFR indicate it is like a bad flu season and it there is a lot of evidence it was circulating around the world many months before the Wuhan outbreak. What happened after the Wuhan outbreak was a media-created panic that led to disastrous draconian policies that did NOTHING to stop the spread of COVID and likely killed millions of people. A lot of the blame for the failed policies and panic can be laid at the foot of Dr. Fauci - recall his press conference when he was creating panic (without evidence) talking about mortality rates of 1%, 2%, 3%, 10%.

 

"We didn't know" is not an excuse. It was known extremely early in the media-created COVID panic that the IFR was quite low and mainly had severe outcomes in the elderly and those with multiple co-morbidities. This data was available but anyone who dared share this information was ruthlessly attacked, censored, and threatened. The viscous hatred is ongoing but thankfully not as effective as more and more people are getting accurate data about the media-created COVID panic.

[Mind]

Kids don't transmit SARS-CoV-2 as much as adults (peer-reviewed) - in fact the rate of transmission is a lot smaller!

 

During the media-created COVID panic, there was a huge focus on kids. They were treated like toxic disease spreaders and their lives were destroyed. Some places in the U.S. are now bringing back mask mandates in schools. They are not following the science. It is just child abuse at this point.

[Mind]

Some of the COVID rage mob are deleting old social media posts about COVID.

 

Some of the COVID fear-mongers are asking for amnesty.

 

Some bioethicists say we should not be casting blame.

 

The youngest among us were harmed the most.

 

On top of the fact that the pandemic policies were a failure, the COVID rage mob pushed these things with zeal and hatred - attacking anyone who asked any questions or tried to bring new perspectives into the conversation.

 

Considering the fact that the pandemic policies did NOTHING to stop the spread of COVID but were completely successful in spreading misery and death, there should be no amnesty. Blame should be cast! The misery was so bad in China that they have completely reversed their policies and now are going for natural immunity for the entire population - a "let it rip" policy.

 

Thankfully, some voices are stepping forward to shine a light on the cult-like religiosity of the COVD rage mob - mostly devoid of rationality and commons sense.