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#391 albedo

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Posted 07 January 2023 - 10:23 AM

https://brownstone.o...-crimes-part-1/ (check the 5 parts)

 

Fun (or crazy?) I must be in a state of cognitive dissonance ... :laugh: ... I like reading from the Brownstone (basically the smart guys of the GBD) and tend to agree with much of what they write/wrote but ... take masks in public dense environments, took my 3 shots unless this winter (not even the flu shot) and just had, after 3 years, my Covid-19, recovered after ~1 week and negatived after ~10 days. More seriously, probably trying to integrate and balance at individual level the ocean of information and misinformation we received from governments, SM and MSM helped to navigate, more or less in good shape, through the storm... it will be interesting to follow this 2023. Happy New Year!

 


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Posted 11 January 2023 - 07:04 PM

All of the mandates, non-pharmaceutical interventions, and injections did little to stop the spread of COVID anywhere in the world. In fact, in many places in Africa, Bulgaria, other countries, that did not follow the guidance of US/UK-based "health" bureaucracies, fared much better.

 

In addition to Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan, Austria also saw the biggest wave of COVID cases AFTER they implemented N95 mask requirements and mandated injections. In addition, in Austria, they "locked down" the un-injected. None of this stopped the biggest wave of COVID cases (by far) in early 2022.

 

Wondering about how a lot of this was implemented without challenge? We know that most of the people on the FDA advisory committee have conflicts of interest with big-pharma. The author of a "landmark" paper in the Lancet that led to vaccine mandates, also had conflicts of interest which she did not disclose.

 

 


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Posted 13 January 2023 - 08:59 PM

Most of Africa did not follow most of the recommendations of US/UK "health" bureaucracies and the WHO is dismayed that hardly any of Africa has gotten the COVID injections, yet most of the continent has a tiny fraction of the deaths from COVID that much of the rest of the world has experienced.


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Posted 14 January 2023 - 11:07 AM

I know I speak to a most convinced audience here but this is a sort of recap worth to listen in full both on the epidemiological and economic side from Jay Bhattacharya & Gigi Foster:

And liked the more balanced way the Swiss did (at the end the Country is directed by People via their semi-Direct Democracy):

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Posted 14 January 2023 - 10:59 PM

We knew early on from the Diamond Princess that the IFR from COVID was very low. All of the passengers that died were elderly and it could not not be reliably ascertained if those few that died were just incidental deaths.

 

We knew early on from the Argentinian fishing vessel that the pandemic control measures did not work.

 

We knew from decades of prior research stretching all the way back to the Spanish flu episode that masking would not be an effective pandemic control measure.

 

We knew all of this, yet our incompetent public "health" bureaucracies spread wild unfounded fear about how everyone was threatened by COVID and told us that isolation, testing, and masking would quickly end the media-created COVID panic.

 

They lied about the efficacy of the COVID injections. They lied about how the COVID injections would prevent transmission when they had no such data. They lied about monitoring the safety of the vaccines. They hid data about injected people catching COVID and being hospitalized!!

 

When it became so obvious to even the common man on the street that the injections had significant side effects...and when multiple other countries stopped giving the injections to younger people...and after being forced through a court of law to provide safety monitoring data....then finally....

 

The CDC releases a statement on a FRIDAY afternoon that there is a stroke risk associated with the vaccine for people over 65. Devious people release damaging news on Friday afternoon so that it does not make it into the news cycle of the week. People don't pay as much attention to the news over the weekend. This is our "transparent" and "ethical" CDC. Ha!!!

 

The FDA and the CDC need to be razed to the ground (figuratively speaking). Leaders in these organizations need to be fired and perhaps criminally prosecuted. The advisory committees need to be replaced..


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Posted 15 January 2023 - 11:42 AM

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The CDC releases a statement on a FRIDAY afternoon that there is a stroke risk associated with the vaccine for people over 65. Devious people release damaging news on Friday afternoon so that it does not make it into the news cycle of the week. People don't pay as much attention to the news over the weekend. This is our "transparent" and "ethical" CDC. Ha!!!

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Wow! Lets see how this penetrates other intl agencies in the coming weeks and after theirs meeting of Jan 26.

One question (sorry I am no longer - I should probably reconsider this - following as actively as in the previous years): any comment on similar signals regarding the previous versions of mRNA vaccines (non bivalent)?

 



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Posted 16 January 2023 - 10:11 PM

I should correct the previous post slightly. The CDC's statement was not precisely or efficiently written. Many headlines were generated from various news outlets, but the best interpretation is that they are monitoring the potential for the COVID injections to cause stroke in elderly people.

 

I for one have an acquaintance  who took the first injection and fell ill enough to be bed-ridden for a few days. Some of her family members told her not to get the second dose. She got the second anyway and suffered a stroke very soon after which put her in the hospital for 5 weeks. That is the only stroke victim I know, but a few others I know had heart issues and one had cancer return shortly after the COVID injection. Thankfully, it is a small percentage overall, of the people I know who got the injections.

 

 


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Posted 17 January 2023 - 06:59 PM

Another follow up on the CDC-Stroke story in regards to the COVID injections. Apparently, they noted 130 different strokes within 3 weeks after the injection. Amazingly, according to CNN (take it with a grain of salt...CNN is awful), none of the 130 stroke victims died.

 

If you think it rather suspicious that 130 people had a stroke and did not die, other people are thinking the same thing. Recall that the CDC has lied publicly several times about their media-created COVID panic activities, so it is not unrealistic to assume they are lying now. The lady I know who clearly suffered a stroke from the injection did not report it as a vaccine side effect, which I suspect is the case for thousands of other strokes in the past 2 years. Since there doesn't appear to be any ICD10 code for COVID vaccine side-effects or deaths, how would one present reliable data on the matter?

 

Also keep in mind that the CDC does not consider someone vaccinated until 2 weeks after their second dose of the original injection...so it is unclear if all of the injection-related strokes and deaths are being recorded properly.

 

Finally, interesting and wild COVID policies in China recently. They recently went from Zero-COVID tyranny to "let er rip". They are now going for much stronger and longer lasting natural immunity for their population...and they still absolutely refuse to use the "miracle, 100% safe and effective" mRNA COVID injections.


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Posted 31 January 2023 - 12:14 AM

So much of the COVID response was awful and ineffective, but the worst might have been the isolation of the elderly population. Many were forced to live in isolation for the last two years of their life, dying depressed with the only person in contact with them being a masked-up nurse in a sterile blue suit. Isolation increases dementia, among many other debilitating diseases. Families were then not even allowed to hold funerals. Many lives were destroyed by the COVID response. All for a virus that has IFR of a small fraction of one percent. Older people were more vulnerable, but not much more than any other bad flu. The IFR for people 60-69 has been found to be only 1 in 200. The average age of COVID death in most countries was 80 or above.

 

Yet if you mentioned the negative effects of isolation, masking, and forcing people to live in constant fear, you were called all kinds of bad names, mercilessly ridiculed, even called terrorists.

 

Usually, societies find solutions through transparent open discussion and debate, leveraging knowledge from multiple disciplines. This time around it was basically a one-size fits all solution imposed from governments and public "health" authorities. Some people at the FDA even speculated about creating a "NAZI-style registry of the unvaccinated". This seems to be in the works with the recent addition of "unvaccinated" to the ICD codes - as if it is a "disease condition" to be unvaccinated. How awful.

 

Sadly, some mainstream media outlets are trying to keep the constant fear campaign going.


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Posted 31 January 2023 - 01:20 AM

So much of the COVID response was awful and ineffective, but the worst might have been the isolation of the elderly population. Many were forced to live in isolation for the last two years of their life, dying depressed with the only person in contact with them being a masked-up nurse in a sterile blue suit. Isolation increases dementia, among many other debilitating diseases. Families were then not even allowed to hold funerals. Many lives were destroyed by the COVID response. All for a virus that has IFR of a small fraction of one percent. Older people were more vulnerable, but not much more than any other bad flu. 

 

Yet more misinformation: it is incorrect to say that the IFR for the elderly is a small fraction of one percent. 

 

Before the vaccines, once the elderly caught COVID, their death rate was 8% for the 70s age group, and 15% for the over 80s. Ref: here


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Posted 02 February 2023 - 08:05 AM

Is there something Mind and Hip agree upon? I hope so as they both make good points in their posts. It is good to look sometime at what people agree upon rather that to what they disagree.



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Posted 02 February 2023 - 05:05 PM

Yet more misinformation: it is incorrect to say that the IFR for the elderly is a small fraction of one percent. 

 

Before the vaccines, once the elderly caught COVID, their death rate was 8% for the 70s age group, and 15% for the over 80s. Ref: here

 

Once again you are referencing data from extremely early on in the media-created COVID panic, when deaths were wildly overcounted and COVID patients were being put on ventilators and not getting standard pneumonia care. Recent estimates of the IFR, even for the elderly, are much lower.


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Posted 02 February 2023 - 05:22 PM

Nothing says absolute futility in masking, isolation, lockdowns, sterilization, etc... as pandemic control measures than this study.

 

The authors struggle to explain how SARS-CoV2 (many variants) are infecting so many whitetail deer. Almost no one comes into contact with deer on a regular basis. The authors suggests that it must be in the environment - air, soil, water, etc...

 

Viruses are everywhere on earth, in the soil, in the air, in our bodies, on our bodies, in our DNA, in our food, etc. The attempt to use isolation and masking are detrimental to individuals and society as a whole, in addition to being a complete failure. If we are to have any hope in the future, more resources need to go into treatments, immune support, and other modalities. The fact that the WHO, CDC, and other "health" bureaucracies continue to push for the same failed policies just highlights their incompetence (and potential criminality).


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Posted 02 February 2023 - 05:30 PM

Uh-oh!  

 

https://www.dailymai...tudy-warns.html

 

Merck's Covid drug is causing new virus mutations, study warns — amid fears its use in virus-stricken China could create entirely new variant

 

  • British researchers found the drug is causing the virus to gain mutations
  • Detected mutations are harmless - but they fear future ones could be dangerous

US and UK researchers identified the new mutations in viral samples taken from dozens of patients given Merck's antiviral Lagevrio.

The alterations to the virus did not make it more deadly or infectious, but the experts say it underscores the risk of drugs that work by tinkering with Covid's genetic code.

Concerns Lagevrio could spur mutations arose around the time it received authorization from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in late 2021. 

The drug works by creating mutations in the Covid genome that prevent the virus from replicating in the body.

They analyzed the nucleic makeup of RNA strands to search for indications the virus mutated because of molnupiravir.

In hundreds of samples, they found evidence the drug had caused replication. Nearly all of the detections were in samples gathered in 2022 - the year the drug was made available worldwide - indicating Lageviro is at fault.

'It is possible that some patients treated with molnupiravir might not fully clear SARS-CoV2 infections, with the potential for onward transmission of molnupiravir-mutated viruses,' researchers wrote.

Dr William Haseltine, known as one of the world's leading experts in human genome analysis, warned in late 2021 the way the drug worked opened the door to danger.

'You are putting a drug into circulation that is a potent mutagen at a time when we are deeply concerned about new variants,' he told Forbes.

He added: 'I can't imagine doing anything more dangerous.' 


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Posted 02 February 2023 - 06:19 PM

 

Dr William Haseltine, known as one of the world's leading experts in human genome analysis, warned in late 2021 the way the drug worked opened the door to danger.

'You are putting a drug into circulation that is a potent mutagen at a time when we are deeply concerned about new variants,' he told Forbes.

He added: 'I can't imagine doing anything more dangerous.' 

 

A lot of world's experts, top doctors, virologists, and epidemiologists have been 100% correct in their comments about COVID, its spread, and its treatments. Yet they have been labeled a anti-vax conspiracy nuts, terrorists, and anti-science. Their lives and careers have been threatened. They faced blinding rage from mobs of social media "experts".

 

Turns out that the UN was behind a lot of the unhinged rage focused at various scientists and health practitioners. This nurse recounts how the mob attacked her and destroyed her life.

 

The upside from the incompetent and tyrannical actions by the CDC, FDA, WHO, UN, is that more and more people are looking into the history of vaccines and the vaccine industry - and not finding much solid science. Here is a good review of the book "Turtles All The Way Down". The most damning point is the lack of any all-cause mortality studies. There are hundreds of thousands of kids and adults in industrialized nations (like in the US and Australia) who have not been vaccinated. It would be easy to compare the mortality and health outcomes of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated, yet there is no such study. Anyone care to guess why?


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Posted 02 February 2023 - 08:28 PM

Once again you are referencing data from extremely early on in the media-created COVID panic, when deaths were wildly overcounted and COVID patients were being put on ventilators and not getting standard pneumonia care. Recent estimates of the IFR, even for the elderly, are much lower.

 

You are changing your story as you go along.

 

Earlier you were talking about the pandemic in the past tense: "so much of the COVID response was awful and ineffective".

 

I pointed out that in the past, the death rate for the elderly was as high as 15%. This death rate remained that high until the vaccines were rolled out. But the first year of the pandemic was without vaccines.

 

Now you have changed your story, and you are referring in the above quote to the present moment, when we have the vaccines, and when a milder version of the virus is in circulation.


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Posted 02 February 2023 - 10:05 PM

Is there something Mind and Hip agree upon? 

 

I don't think there are many points of agreement:

 

 

SUBJECT          HIP'S VIEW                          MIND'S VIEW

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The pandemic     A major global medical crisis       Pandemic a fake event fabricated by the media

COVID deaths     A horrible affliction on humanity   Irrelevant as death only affects the elderly

COVID vaccines   Saved the world from calamity       Thinks vaccines have no benefit at all

Masks            A useful protective tool            Thinks masks have no no benefit at all

Lockdowns        Necessary before vaccines arrived   Freedom more important that saving lives

Ivermectin       Works in 3rd world (Strongyloides)  Believes there was a conspiracy to suppress

Long COVID       A disaster for 65 million people    Has never addressed the serious issue of LC 

Reading sources  Scientific journals and articles    Mainly rage-baiting fringe websites

The authorities  Mostly trusts scientific experts    Distrusts experts, likes fringe medics

Excess deaths    Caused by COVID long term effects   Caused by people dying of depression in lockdown


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Posted 07 February 2023 - 09:02 PM

I don't think there are many points of agreement:

 

 

SUBJECT          HIP'S VIEW                          MIND'S VIEW

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The pandemic     A major global medical crisis       Pandemic a fake event fabricated by the media

COVID deaths     A horrible affliction on humanity   Irrelevant as death only affects the elderly

COVID vaccines   Saved the world from calamity       Thinks vaccines have no benefit at all

Masks            A useful protective tool            Thinks masks have no no benefit at all

Lockdowns        Necessary before vaccines arrived   Freedom more important that saving lives

Ivermectin       Works in 3rd world (Strongyloides)  Believes there was a conspiracy to suppress

Long COVID       A disaster for 65 million people    Has never addressed the serious issue of LC 

Reading sources  Scientific journals and articles    Mainly rage-baiting fringe websites

The authorities  Mostly trusts scientific experts    Distrusts experts, likes fringe medics

Excess deaths    Caused by COVID long term effects   Caused by people dying of depression in lockdown

 

You should indicate the specific posts where I said the pandemic was a fake event. I have clearly said the "media-created COVID panic", to describe how things spiraled out of control due to irresponsible media actions...not that there was no disease or that it was fake. Anyone reading this can review these posts and understand the point.

 

The number of peer-reviewed articles/science I have posted number in the hundreds. These posts are easy to find.

 

Same for any of the other things in the list above. The record is here in the forum and it is the opposite from the list above. Anyone can find this out for themselves.

 

This type of thing keeps happening in public spaces and it has taken a toll on many people, as Michael Sanger found out.

 

Take a look at all the awful things said about Dr. Craig.

 

This is one of the worst "policies" of the media-created COVID panic, the weaponization of citizens against each other - the constant hatred for anyone who questioned the COVID policies. It is terrible that this hatred has been fomented by public "health" leaders and it continues to this day.

 

In the past, during times of crisis, people worked together and diverse ideas were welcome. Not today, sadly.


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Posted 07 February 2023 - 09:08 PM

Locking down children was a detrimental aspect of the pandemic response. Kids and schools have never been proven to be a vector for enhanced transmission. Now some of the people who pushed the lockdowns and masks on children are saying things like "Often our knowledge was not good enough" (Karl Lauterbach). Contrary to Lauterbach's plea of ignorance, It was known quite early in the outbreak that children did not present an enhanced mode of transmission and the IFR in children was statistically close to zero.


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Posted 10 February 2023 - 10:43 PM

A comment from Professor Christine Stabell Benn, Denmark, https://www.linkedin...e-stabell-benn/.

 

I would like to see similar debate and honest assessment everywhere. Partial data also here: https://www.longecit...ndpost&p=921010

 

"Sweden and Denmark took different approaches during the COVID-19 pandemic: what can we learn from each other’s experiences?
 
Yesterday I had the pleasure of participating in an arrangement organized by the Centre for Medical Science and Technology Studies at University of Copenhagen. Anders Tegnell presented the Swedish COVID-19 approach, and afterwards followed an engaged discussion with the panel (Theis Lange (Head of Department of Public Health), Monika Rubin (MD and newly elected politician) and me) and the audience. The arrangement was sold out months ago, as witness to the intense interest in this topic.
 
And of course we should learn! As Anders Tegnell said: “This is the time of learning”. The next pandemic might be due to a different pathogen and thus new approaches will be needed - but some major lessons from the present pandemic are clear to me:

Sweden had a different approach than most of the world. They prioritized protecting the vulnerable and avoiding collateral damage – particularly to children. They followed the precautionary principle of not introducing unnecessary interventions that could be harmful and they focussed on proportionality. It is a gift to us all, because as such we have a "control group".

What we can learn from Sweden is that they did just as well as other countries even though they:
- Kept primary schools open
- Kept indoor and outdoor sport activities open
- Did not have mandatory mask use
- Did not have COVID-19 passports
- Did not vaccinate healthy children <12 years
- Tested 1/12 of what Denmark did

Lesson 1: Most of the world implemented too harsh interventions that were unnecessary and came at a huge cost.

It was not because there were not voices stating that the above interventions were an overreaction - but worldwide authorities, including the Danish, overheard those voices.

Lesson 2: In a situation with little information and a lot of fear: Do like Churchill: Listen to several interpretations.

Anders Tegnell said a thing that I really liked: It is the proponent of an activity that has the burden of proof. If a government introduces an intervention with huge implications for its population, it is the government that has to prove that it is useful.

Lesson 3: In a future pandemic we should test the effect of the interventions while they are being rolled out.

I propose that we develop the tools to quickly test new interventions in Denmark. Our health registers provide excellent opportunity. In situations where there is doubt whether an intervention has a favorable benefit-risk ratio, we could roll it out in some regions/municipalities/schools/workplaces and not in others, and compare the two groups to get an estimate of the added value for money. Had we done that with the above interventions, we would likely have found out that they were not necessary. Try to imagine how life had been, if we had had an evidence-based COVID-19 policy – and what a difference it could make for future pandemics." https://www.linkedin...=member_desktop

 


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Posted 11 February 2023 - 08:49 PM

Good to see some acknowledgment of the pandemic policy failures in some countries.

 

It is sad to see no introspection from the CDC or FDA. From what I can tell, they are (mostly) still standing by everything that was done and are trying to keep implementing the failed policies.


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Posted 15 February 2023 - 09:49 PM

More "we made a few mistakes", "didn't have complete information", rhetoric out of Germany. A lot of people/scientists "knew" early in the media-created COVID panic. They tried to speak out but were threatened and censored.

 

Dr. McCullough was fired AND sued by his University for speaking up about COVID policies and treatments. It was a ridiculous lawsuit that was dismissed with prejudice by the judge. It was an obvious attempt to punish him for asking questions about COVID policies and treatments. They were trying to ruin his life, his career, and legacy.

 

The same thing is happening to Matthias Desmet.

 

This was common during the media-created COVID panic.

 

"We didn't know" is not a defense. All alternative voices were actively shut down.


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Posted 15 February 2023 - 10:02 PM

More "we made a few mistakes", "didn't have complete information", rhetoric out of Germany. A lot of people/scientists "knew" early in the media-created COVID panic. They tried to speak out but were threatened and censored.

 

Dr. McCullough was fired AND sued by his University for speaking up about COVID policies and treatments. It was a ridiculous lawsuit that was dismissed with prejudice by the judge. It was an obvious attempt to punish him for asking questions about COVID policies and treatments. They were trying to ruin his life, his career, and legacy.

 

The same thing is happening to Matthias Desmet.

 

This was common during the media-created COVID panic.

 

"We didn't know" is not a defense. All alternative voices were actively shut down.

 

 

There were people banished from social media, called the worst sorts of names, and fired from their employment for saying things that are now not considered to be terribly controversial or are even today generally accepted to be true.

 

This episode had all the hallmarks of a religious witch hunt towards those that dissented from the prevailing orthodoxy.

 

And no, I don't expect there will be much in the way of admissions and apologizes from those that went on a mission to destroy the heretics. 


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Posted 18 February 2023 - 11:32 AM

Link it also in this thread due to implications for policies:

 

https://www.longecit...ndpost&p=922013

 

"Implications of all the available evidence
Our findings confirm that past infection affords significantly
reduced protection against re-infection by the omicron BA.1
variant compared to previous variants, highlighting the high
immune escape features of this variant. Our finding that the
level of protection from past infection by variant and over time
is equivalent to that provided by two-dose mRNA vaccines has
important implications for guidance regarding the timing of
vaccine doses, including boosters.
This finding also has
important implications for the design of policies that restrict
access to travel or venues or require vaccination for workers.
It supports the idea that those with a documented infection
should be treated similarly to those who have been fully
vaccinated with high-quality vaccines. This was implemented,
for example, as part of the EU COVID certificate, but not in
countries such as the USA.
The scarcity of data on protection
afforded by past infection from the omicron BA.1 variant and
its sublineages (BA.2, BA.4, and BA.5) highlights the
importance of continued assessment, particularly considering
that an estimated 46% of the global population was infected by
the omicron variant between Nov 15, 2021, and June 1, 2022." (red and bold mine)

 

Stein C, Nassereldine H, Sorensen RJD, et al. Past SARS-CoV-2 infection protection against re-infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis. The Lancet. 2023;0(0).

https://www.thelance...2465-5/fulltext

 

 



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Posted 18 February 2023 - 02:49 PM

Link it also in this thread due to implications for policies:

 

https://www.longecit...ndpost&p=922013

 

"Implications of all the available evidence
Our findings confirm that past infection affords significantly
reduced protection against re-infection by the omicron BA.1
variant compared to previous variants, highlighting the high
immune escape features of this variant. Our finding that the
level of protection from past infection by variant and over time
is equivalent to that provided by two-dose mRNA vaccines has
important implications for guidance regarding the timing of
vaccine doses, including boosters.
This finding also has
important implications for the design of policies that restrict
access to travel or venues or require vaccination for workers.
It supports the idea that those with a documented infection
should be treated similarly to those who have been fully
vaccinated with high-quality vaccines. This was implemented,
for example, as part of the EU COVID certificate, but not in
countries such as the USA.
The scarcity of data on protection
afforded by past infection from the omicron BA.1 variant and
its sublineages (BA.2, BA.4, and BA.5) highlights the
importance of continued assessment, particularly considering
that an estimated 46% of the global population was infected by
the omicron variant between Nov 15, 2021, and June 1, 2022." (red and bold mine)

 

Stein C, Nassereldine H, Sorensen RJD, et al. Past SARS-CoV-2 infection protection against re-infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis. The Lancet. 2023;0(0).

https://www.thelance...2465-5/fulltext

 

"But not in the USA", is the most important phrase in that quote.

 

Why not? Because the US and UK health bureaucracies were the ones pushing all of the failed pandemic policies the most. They have the most to lose by reversing course. They were the ones crushing dissent and rational discourse. They were the ones harassing doctors, researchers, and health practitioners who offered new and different ideas. They continue to push harmful and ineffective pandemic policies even after they have been proven beyond a doubt to be harmful and ineffective (this goes all the way back to the "ventilators").

 

When some people claim the pandemic policies are about control and NOT health, you have to wonder, especially when thought-leaders say things like the "pandemic made globalism stronger".

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In addition, the pandemic policy of lying to the public and hiding vaccine safety data continues to this day both at the CDC and in Australia.


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Posted 20 February 2023 - 08:47 PM

Hopefully the policy of denying medical treatment to people who did not take the COVID injections will be stopped, thanks to a new bill introduced by Rand Paul.

 

Just remember, there would have been quarantine camps in the U.S. (like Australia) if it were not for resistance, politicians in California and New York especially were itching for these types of policies.

 

The non-transparency and lies coming from our public "health" leaders has been quite disturbing during this whole episode, and it continues in Europe where contracts with the vaccine manufacturers continue to be hidden.

 

Dr. Mercola collates all of the lies from public "health" establishments, although "lies" is rather strong. A lot of the time, the choices made by public "health" bureaucrats were done through incompetence and obstinance. They rarely followed any science. Nearly all of the COVID control policies failed miserably, yet our public "health" officials continue to push them.

 

There was no solid science for:

-Lockdowns

-Ventilators

-Remdesivir

-Masking

-School closures

-Social distancing

-Plexiglass barriers

-Constant sterilizing of body parts

-Vaccine passports

 

Among many other things.

 

Just by chance/luck, you would think that public "health" bureaucrats would have gotten one thing right - something that would have slowed the spread of COVID somewhere. Nothing worked. COVID spread everywhere.


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Posted 22 February 2023 - 10:45 PM

A couple of videos here with pot-smoking comedians remarking about the fact they figured out the obvious failures of the COVID policies years before our public "health" leaders figured it out, and how the media got it wrong while irresponsibly stoking fear.


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Posted 23 February 2023 - 11:26 AM

"...The ongoing public inquiry into the government’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic offers an opportunity to reflect on what has worked well and what has not in the scientific advisory system, says Wilsdon. McLean will need to “step back from the immediate aftermath of that crisis and look afresh at how well our system is working, what can be done to strengthen it and make it fit for the challenges that lie ahead” ..."

https://www.nature.c...be1e52-42133407


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Posted 25 February 2023 - 08:41 PM

Just for the record, some commentators did suggest "shooting" people for questioning the COVID pandemic response.


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Posted 26 February 2023 - 10:44 AM

Another pot-smoking comedian puts the media-created COVID panic and the forced injections into perspective. People forget that the media was PAID to promote the injections. The UN and WHO had entire teams of people dedicated to harassing anyone who did not fall in line.


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