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[Mind]

Oh no!  Madness contagion spreading among members!  

 

https://youtu.be/h0J...0FbAUXv8MsQmbTZ

 

Too much pondering of life's persistent problems!

 

Great song. The madness persists.

 

Most people are unaware of the vast scale of propaganda that occurred during the COVID panic - which led to the most ineffective and deadly pandemic response in history. National media outlets completely failed the public. But they did not fail their investors. After lying for years about not being funded "billionaire money", it turns out the Guardian gets a ton of money from no other than Bill Gates (investor in Moderna). It is no wonder the public was told that IVM and HCQ were dangerous and useless medications. The media lied - people died.

Edited by Mind, 22 November 2023 - 07:45 PM.

[Hip]

 The media lied - people died.

 

Mind, as someone who erroneously claims that the COVID vaccines are not actually vaccines, and erroneously claims that they are ineffective, I think you first have to question your own misinformation output before addressing someone else's. 

 

The biggest loss of life was caused by people on forums and social media irrationally criticising the COVID vaccines, which led to less take up, and the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives.

[joesixpack]

Mind, as someone who erroneously claims that the COVID vaccines are not actually vaccines, and erroneously claims that they are ineffective, I think you first have to question your own misinformation output before addressing someone else's. 

 

The biggest loss of life was caused by people on forums and social media irrationally criticising the COVID vaccines, which led to less take up, and the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives.

 

Do you have source for your statement about the "biggest loss of life?" Some evidence that people on social media, and in forums caused hundreds of thousands of lives to be lost. Was it because they got Covid and died, or because they got Covid and passed it on? Because it is pretty much common knowledge that the vaccines did not prevent catching Covid, or prevent transmission.

Edited by joesixpack, 25 November 2023 - 12:05 AM.

[Hip]

Do you have source for your statement about the "biggest loss of life?" Some evidence that people on social media, and in forums caused hundreds of thousands of lives to be lost. 

 

Certainly we know that if everyone was vaccinated, we would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US alone. This is not disputed (amongst experts anyway, not that anyone here would know an expert even if they met one).

 

As to the reasons a lot of people decided not to get vaccinated, and where to apportion blame for that vaccine hesitancy, this is more difficult to pin down. The 12 people in the dirty dozen antivaxer list are responsible for creating antivax propaganda at source; so they need to take much of the blame; but their misinformation was spread on social media and forums by the same sort of unscientific, anti-establishment characters that you find in the Longecity COVID threads. So these anti-establishment outlaws need to take a lot of the responsibility for the multitude of deaths too. 

Edited by Hip, 25 November 2023 - 01:45 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

Certainly we know that if everyone was vaccinated, we would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US alone. This is not disputed (amongst experts anyway, not that anyone here would know an expert even if they met one).

 

As to the reasons a lot of people decided not to get vaccinated, and where to apportion blame for that vaccine hesitancy, this is more difficult to pin down. The 12 people in the dirty dozen antivaxer list are responsible for creating antivax propaganda at source; so they need to take much of the blame; but their misinformation was spread on social media and forums by the same sort of unscientific, anti-establishment characters that you find in the Longecity COVID threads. So these anti-establishment outlaws need to take a lot of the responsibility for the multitude of deaths too. 

 

Funny perhaps, but nothing sparks my interest & imagination of potential conspiracy like fanatical opposition to free speech, particularly when aimed at a select few or specific topic.  I personally don't have strong feelings on whether the vaccines are causing dreadful harm, or the great savior of mankind.  I do know outpatient therapeutics were viciously suppressed to keep the coast clear for the vaccine & Paxlovid EUAs, and I see this as the crime of the century in the COVID wars.  

 

Gates/Wellcome spent millions on Recovery & Solidarity trials of hydroxychloroquine, withholding treatment until patients were hospitalized in critical condition.  Well educated doctors went on record saying HCQ was far too dangerous for outpatient use, this despite it being a traditionally safe, over the counter drug in much of the world, including France & parts of Canada until 2019.  The Surgisphere fiasco was icing on the cake.  Is anyone still denying HCQ was frantically suppressed?  And why would this even be necessary if it was worthless as a therapeutic at all stages of disease?  

 

The pro-vaxxers have made their bed, and now they must lie on it.  A lot of naked emperors went on parade, and I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh. I'm sure there were some seniors who died, where the vaccines might have helped, but for those under 60-70 years of age, they probably were a non-issue. 

 

I seem to recall the average age of those who died from COVID was approximately 2 years past their normal life expectancy at birth.  

 

I got my one-and-done J&J in April 2021, and another J&J boost in November of '21.  Got COVID in January of '22 (age 64), and took hydroxychloroquine.  I still remember waiting for the other shoe to drop...  This is it?  This is the plague everyone has been so excited about?  Hardest part for me was resisting the urge to go out to dinner.  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 25 November 2023 - 05:34 AM.

[pamojja]

This is it?  This is the plague everyone has been so excited about?  Hardest part for me was resisting the urge to go out to dinner.  

 

Was so surprised, all my coworkers, all with academic training, supposedly able to think for them self, got the shot.

 

Therefore, I asked, Why? Most, like with superior immunity through prior infection already, missed such freedoms, like going out, too much.

 

And against such ills, the shot indeed worked, doubtlessly.

 

 

Edited by pamojja, 25 November 2023 - 10:23 AM.

[Mind]

Certainly we know that if everyone was vaccinated, we would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the US alone. This is not disputed (amongst experts anyway, not that anyone here would know an expert even if they met one).

 

As to the reasons a lot of people decided not to get vaccinated, and where to apportion blame for that vaccine hesitancy, this is more difficult to pin down. The 12 people in the dirty dozen antivaxer list are responsible for creating antivax propaganda at source; so they need to take much of the blame; but their misinformation was spread on social media and forums by the same sort of unscientific, anti-establishment characters that you find in the Longecity COVID threads. So these anti-establishment outlaws need to take a lot of the responsibility for the multitude of deaths too. 

 

Like the Guardian, the CCDH is funded by mostly "dark" sources - international NGO's and such. It is basically a one person operation with loose standards of research. If they cannot produce open and transparent reports, then it is difficult to believe them.

 

Recall that the US government, the CDC, FDA, and even Stanford University have been caught lying (well-documented and public) about their activities during the COVID panic. Usually, one would stop referencing statements, data, and reports from such untrustworthy organizations until they "clean up their act". It is a sad testament about society at large right now, that most people still believe the US government, CDC, FDA, etc... How many times to they have to lie and fail before people demand accountability.

Edited by Mind, 27 November 2023 - 01:31 PM.

[Mind]

Just a reminder about how crazy the COVID panic was: WHO representatives were suggesting taking away family members by force, all for a disease that has an IFR of less than one tenth of 1 percent (like a regular flu) for people under 70. It is still unbelievable how public health authorities lost their sense of scale and reason during the COVID panic. They are supposed to be the rational scientists. Instead they essentially screamed "fire" in a crowded theatre over and over again, leading to policies that were very damaging to society at large and failed to stop the spread of COVID.

[Hip]

Just a reminder about how crazy the COVID panic was: WHO representatives were suggesting taking away family members by force, all for a disease that has an IFR of less than one tenth of 1 percent (like a regular flu) for people under 70. It is still unbelievable how public health authorities lost their sense of scale and reason during the COVID panic. They are supposed to be the rational scientists. Instead they essentially screamed "fire" in a crowded theatre over and over again, leading to policies that were very damaging to society at large and failed to stop the spread of COVID.

 

Mind, you don't seem to have any empathy for the situation medical experts were in. 

 

The date of your video is March 2020, which was right at the very beginning of the pandemic in the West. At that point, everyone was much more fearful, because nobody quite knew how bad the pandemic would get, and nobody knew what the death rate really was. The authorities did not overreact, they reacted quite appropriately, given the uncertainties in all the parameters of the pandemic during these early months. 

 

 

 

 

Some of the general public try to boost their egos, and make themselves look smart, by employing the benefit of hindsight to analyse pandemic historical events. This is dishonest of the public, because anyone can seem smart when commenting on a situation in retrospect. 

 

Edited by Hip, 29 November 2023 - 06:08 AM.

[pamojja]

Some of the general public try to boost their egos, and make themselves look smart, by employing the benefit of hindsight to analyse pandemic historical events.

 

Not very smart of you. One can search all posts of each member here about corona of March 2020. And who had the most foresight in an uncertain situation. Mind was one of them.
 

 

[pamojja]

Funny, this post of me written in response to you on 9th March 2020 sounds so similar to one just a few days ago:

 

Your 'known' facts  - without the agenda of the WHO to delay panic - is only based on appeal to authority. It completely ignores the video messagers out of Wuhan, who risked their prosecution for airing.

 

Hip, on 09 Mar 2020 - 3:59 PM, said:

If anyone says China is lying, as has been claimed on this thread, I challenge you to provide evidence for this. Because if you are stating something without reliable evidence, then by definition it is fake news.

 

Since video messages out of Wuhan isn't giving you any doubts about the integrity of the Chinese Government, how about the detention of Uigurs? Of dissidents from Tibet? - According to Event201 the definition of what is 'fake news' in an epidemic will be determined by the WHO - which has nothing do with real fact checking, but again meaningless appeal to authority.

 

Hip, on 09 Mar 2020 - 3:59 PM, said:

The WHO sent a delegation of scientists to China to work in close cooperation with Chinese medics, so the WHO know what they are talking about. 

 

Meaningless appeal to authority again. Completely ignoring their agenda of avoiding widespread panic, which would make any situation only worse.

 

 

 

 

[Daniel Cooper]

Mind, you don't seem to have any empathy for the situation medical experts were in. 

 

The date of your video is March 2020, which was right at the very beginning of the pandemic in the West. At that point, everyone was much more fearful, because nobody quite knew how bad the pandemic would get, and nobody knew what the death rate really was. The authorities did not overreact, they reacted quite appropriately, given the uncertainties in all the parameters of the pandemic during these early months. 

 

 

 

 

Some of the general public try to boost their egos, and make themselves look smart, by employing the benefit of hindsight to analyse pandemic historical events. This is dishonest of the public, because anyone can seem smart when commenting on a situation in retrospect. 

 

I have empathy for what health officials were having to deal with in the early stages of the pandemic with all the unknows.

 

Yet, that doesn't excuse some of the hyperbolic statements and frankly outright threats that were being made. Discussions of barring unvaccinated people from receiving any healthcare. Firing unvaccinated workers. Threating to remove family members. Really heavy handed dictatorial stuff. The unknowns did not justify that sort of behavior out of public officials and certain corporate entities. 

 

Interestingly - the US military is now trying to entice all of its people that it forced out due to their refusal to be vaccinated to return to the ranks. As one can imagine they aren't getting a lot of takers on that. Many of these people had their lives turned upside down and ended long term careers. Who would willingly put their future back in the hands of a such a capricious leadership?

[Hip]

One can search all posts of each member here about corona of March 2020. And who had the most foresight in an uncertain situation. Mind was one of them.

 

 

Well if we search Mind's Longecity posts at the beginning of the pandemic, we see that in January 2020 Mind was incredulous of the seriousness of the COVID pandemic, implying it might be a false alarm, and he called the media coverage "fear mongering":
 

Another deadly plague is forecast to sweep the world and kill nearly everyone....for the umpteenth time...in my life alone.

Does anyone have any legit information about the virus? All I can find online is typical CNN, AP, mainstream outlet fear-mongering.

 

So Mind's thinking that the pandemic was probably not serious turned out not to be true, as the COVID became the most significant global pandemic since the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918-1920. 

 

The Spanish Flu is stimated to have killed around 17 to 100 million globally; whereas so far COVID has killed about 7 million globally.

 

Actually COVID has probably killed a lot more than 7 million, due to the fact that we know lots of people died in the year just after they caught COVID, and if we look at total COVID deaths from the excess mortality perspective, we find 15 million people have been killed by COVID around the world. 

 

If we compare that to seasonal flu, flu is estimated to cause 290,000–650,000 deaths annually around the world. 

 

 

So clearly there was not much foresight shown by discounting of the seriousness of COVID, nor by claiming the media were exaggerating the seriousness and fear mongering. 

 

 

 

 

 
 

 

Edited by Hip, 29 November 2023 - 04:42 PM.

[Hip]

I have empathy for what health officials were having to deal with in the early stages of the pandemic with all the unknows.

 

Yet, that doesn't excuse some of the hyperbolic statements and frankly outright threats that were being made. Discussions of barring unvaccinated people from receiving any healthcare. Firing unvaccinated workers. Threating to remove family members. Really heavy handed dictatorial stuff. The unknowns did not justify that sort of behavior out of public officials and certain corporate entities. 

 

You can cherry pick statements that were made by either side of the debate, but it is more important to look at the actual actions and actual path taken by governments around the world, which were usually a middle road between the two extremes of argument. 

 

You will always get some people arguing that we should have had more restrictions and more protective measures mandated, in order to save more lives. Then on the other side of the debate, you will always get people saying that there should have been fewer restrictions, and that the populace should have been give more freedom to face the pandemic in their own way.

 

You are never going to please both side of the debate, but we can say that the actual path taken by governments around the world was usually a midway between the extremes of the debate.

[Daniel Cooper]

 

The Spanish Flu is stimated to have killed around 17 to 100 million globally; whereas so far COVID has killed about 7 million globally.

 

 

Keep in mind that in 1917 the global population was about 1.9B (versus 7.9B today) and the US population was about 100 million (versus 330 million today).

 

So any numbers comparing covid to the 1917 pandemic need to be scaled accordingly.

[Hip]

Keep in mind that in 1917 the global population was about 1.9B (versus 7.9B today) and the US population was about 100 million (versus 330 million today).

 

So any numbers comparing covid to the 1917 pandemic need to be scaled accordingly.

 

Indeed, you should really multiply the Spanish Flu deaths by a factor of 4, to make it commensurate with the world population today. That means had the Spanish Flu hit today, it may have killed up to 400 million globally, or around 1 in 20 people.

 

And tragically, the Spanish Flu would usually spare the elderly and the frail, but kill the young and healthy. So it was a particularly nasty pandemic, especially given how many young people had already been killed during WW1. 

 

It's believed that the Spanish Flu killed via an immune cytokine storm, and those who had the healthiest and most youthful immune systems produced the strongest cytokine storms. So the healthier you were, the more likely you were to die.

Edited by Hip, 29 November 2023 - 04:50 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

You can cherry pick statements that were made by either side of the debate, but it is more important to look at the actual actions and actual path taken by governments around the world, which were usually a middle road between the two extremes of argument. 

 

You will always get some people arguing that we should have had more restrictions and more protective measures mandated, in order to save more lives. Then on the other side of the debate, you will always get people saying that there should have been fewer restrictions, and that the populace should have been give more freedom to face the pandemic in their own way.

 

You are never going to please both side of the debate, but we can say that the actual path taken by governments around the world was usually a midway between the extremes of the debate.

 

Yes, you can cherry pick statements from each side.

 

However, the side that was in power and actually implemented some of these polices (and threatened to implement others) are the one that carry more weight.

 

If some anti-vaxer blogger in Des Moines posts a YouTube video saying that the vaccine will make you grow a third eye in the middle of your forehead that's one thing. If the governor of a state closes the schools for over a year, shuts down churches and mom and pop stores (while leaving Walmart and marijuana dispensaries open) and tries to require kids to get covid-19 vaccines before returning to school that's another thing entirely. 

 

People who have weird ideas and the power to implement them are definitely more worthy of note than people with weird ideas but no power.

[Hip]

Yes, you can cherry pick statements from each side.

 

However, the side that was in power and actually implemented some of these polices (and threatened to implement others) are the one that carry more weight.

 

If some anti-vaxer blogger in Des Moines posts a YouTube video saying that the vaccine will make you grow a third eye in the middle of your forehead that's one thing. If the governor of a state closes the schools for over a year, shuts down churches and mom and pop stores (while leaving Walmart and marijuana dispensaries open) and tries to require kids to get covid-19 vaccines before returning to school that's another thing entirely. 

 

People who have weird ideas and the power to implement them are definitely more worthy of note than people with weird ideas but no power.

 

Sure, though even if you just look at the opinions of the people in power, you see a spectrum of views. 

 

In the UK at present, the Covid-19 Inquiry is taking place, where all the power brokers involved are being interviewed, and their comments scrutinised, to try to determine what errors were made, and what lessons can be learned for the future. 

 

It's well known that the UK Prime Minister at the time, Boris Johnson, originally wanted to have no restrictions at all, and wanted to let the pandemic just rip through the UK, killing whoever it would kill. But he was talked out of this by other power brokers.

 

Apparently it is now becoming clear that Boris Johnson has difficulty in understanding mathematical graphs, so was not very receptive to arguments put forward by scientists. Because he really did not understand the arguments, what Boris would do was just let the two sides of any debate argue it out in front of him, and then Boris would side with the person who seemed to win the debate. That's how Boris steered the country through the pandemic.

Edited by Hip, 29 November 2023 - 05:01 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

Indeed, you should really multiply the Spanish Flu deaths by a factor of 4, to make it commensurate with the world population today. That means had the Spanish Flu hit today, it may have killed up to 400 million globally, or around 1 in 20 people.

 

And tragically, the Spanish Flu would usually spare the elderly and the frail, but kill the young and healthy. So it was a particularly nasty pandemic, especially given how many young people had already been killed during WW1. 

 

It's believed that the Spanish Flu killed via an immune cytokine storm, and those who had the healthiest and most youthful immune systems produced the strongest cytokine storms. So the healthier you were, the more likely you were to die.

 

If my memory serves correctly - the 1917 flu spared the old and  the young (and by young we're talking pre-teens). Because the young don't have fully developed immune systems.

 

It preferentially killed those in the most vigorous years of their lives - say mid teens to the later 40s. Because as you say the underlying thing that killed you was a cytokine storm and it hit those with the most robust immune systems hardest.

[Mind]

Recent research documents the severe cognitive decline in older adults due to the lockdowns. Stunted emotional and educational development as well as depression and suicide has been documented as being widespread in children - also because to the pandemic measures.

 

In the case of young adults and children, the anti-science public health authorities in the US/UK are particularly to blame for the harms. It was known very early on that COVID was not a problem for younger people (even for people under 70 the IFR is only a tiny 0.07 percent). Well respected and published doctors, virologists, and epidemiologists warned about the effects of lockdowns upon people who were not at all at risk. Reasonable science-based alternative suggestions were offered. Instead of listening, US/UK health authorities and other divisions of the government went on a blistering warpath to destroy anyone who disagreed with their pandemic response and still have their heads in the sand today.

 

Does anyone realize how precarious of a situation we are in today. Incompetent and anti-science bureaucrats who should have been fired for the destructive and utterly ineffective pandemic policies - ARE STILL IN CHARGE. No one is being fired. No one is being prosecuted. 

[Hip]

Recent research documents the severe cognitive decline in older adults due to the lockdowns. Stunted emotional and educational development as well as depression and suicide has been documented as being widespread in children - also because to the pandemic measures.

 

In the case of young adults and children, the anti-science public health authorities in the US/UK are particularly to blame for the harms. It was known very early on that COVID was not a problem for younger people (even for people under 70 the IFR is only a tiny 0.07 percent). Well respected and published doctors, virologists, and epidemiologists warned about the effects of lockdowns upon people who were not at all at risk. Reasonable science-based alternative suggestions were offered. Instead of listening, US/UK health authorities and other divisions of the government went on a blistering warpath to destroy anyone who disagreed with their pandemic response and still have their heads in the sand today.

 

Does anyone realize how precarious of a situation we are in today. Incompetent and anti-science bureaucrats who should have been fired for the destructive and utterly ineffective pandemic policies - ARE STILL IN CHARGE. No one is being fired. No one is being prosecuted. 

 

This study was published by a bunch of dubious psychiatrists, who appear to be desperate to make their profession relevant.

 

Of particular note are the shrinks from Kings College London, who are involved in this study. Kings College is notorious for trying to pretend real physical diseases like ME/CFS, vulvodynia or IBS are psychologically caused. ME/CFS patients detest the psychiatry department at Kings.

 

Are you not aware that there are schools of psychiatry that want to psychologise real physical diseases? If not, you need to educate yourself on this scandal, and learn why it is a scandal (clue: it stops patients from claiming disability payments, so disability insurance companies love it).  

 

 

If you are performing a study on cognitive decline during the pandemic, you would need to account for the pernicious effects of the SARS-CoV-2 virus on cognition, a virus which most people have caught. Studies have shown even mild COVID has deleterious effects on the brain:

 

The Risks of Even Mild COVID-19: 1 in 4 Showing Cognitive Deficits After Mild Case, Brazilian Study Finds.

 

 

So how have these shrinks accounted for the negative effects of the virus itself? They haven't. Thus the study you posted is useless and corrupt. 

Edited by Hip, 01 December 2023 - 06:56 PM.

[Mind]

A lot of the US/UK health bureaucracy is trying to alter history and deny their complicity in the horrific COVID panic response. Thankfully, there are a lot of people documenting the lies and obfuscations.

 

Yes, they said that if you were vaccinated you could not catch or spread the virus. 100% false.

 

Yes Dr. Fauci said the government needed to make people's lives difficult in order to force them to get the COVID injections.

 

Bill Gates now claims he never talked about masks. 100% false.

 

Smarter people warned the health bureaucrats that the pandemic policies would be useless. All of the advice was ignored - and we all suffered for it.

[Hip]

A lot of the US/UK health bureaucracy is trying to alter history and deny their complicity in the horrific COVID panic response.

 

Mind, are you sure you are not suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) as a result of the pandemic?

 

The pandemic is well over in terms of government restrictions and mandates, yet you still seem upset about the events that happened.

 

Since you subscribe to libertarian ideology, the concept of the authorities compelling you to do something (like wearing masks, getting vaccinated, or not leaving home) must have felt like a head on collision with your personal philosophy.

 

Few countries got their pandemic response perfect; most countries made some mistakes. We are all human after all. But you seem quite upset by the events, whereas most people I know don't even talk about the pandemic history anymore. 

 

The virus continues to take its toll, with around 50 people dying of COVID each day in the UK at present (if you check on the UK Worldometer website). But this is never mentioned on the news, and most people don't even think about this.

Edited by Hip, 07 December 2023 - 07:23 PM.

[Hip]

Hmm,... the three people who marked my above post as unfriendly: I am guessing that you relate to Mind's stance; so you could yourselves be suffering from COVID pandemic PTSD.

 

Getting PTSD from the pandemic is a recognised thing, see: 

 

The link between COVID-19 and PTSD

 

Understanding PTSD in Uncertain Times

 

Coping with PTSD from the COVID-19 Pandemic

Edited by Hip, 08 December 2023 - 04:29 AM.

[Daniel Cooper]

Hmm,... the three people who marked my above post as unfriendly: I am guessing that you relate to Mind's stance; so you could yourselves be suffering from COVID pandemic PTSD.

 

Getting PTSD from the pandemic is a recognised thing, see: 

 

The link between COVID-19 and PTSD

 

Understanding PTSD in Uncertain Times

 

Coping with PTSD from the COVID-19 Pandemic

 

Maybe they marked your post as "unfriendly" because they thought your diagnosis of PTSD was more of a jab at Mind rather than a real concern or diagnosis. Which would make it somewhat unfriendly.

 

Just guessing here.

[Mind]

Mind, are you sure you are not suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) as a result of the pandemic?

 

The pandemic is well over in terms of government restrictions and mandates, yet you still seem upset about the events that happened.

 

Since you subscribe to libertarian ideology, the concept of the authorities compelling you to do something (like wearing masks, getting vaccinated, or not leaving home) must have felt like a head on collision with your personal philosophy.

 

Few countries got their pandemic response perfect; most countries made some mistakes. We are all human after all. But you seem quite upset by the events, whereas most people I know don't even talk about the pandemic history anymore. 

 

The virus continues to take its toll, with around 50 people dying of COVID each day in the UK at present (if you check on the UK Worldometer website). But this is never mentioned on the news, and most people don't even think about this.

 

As detailed quite meticulously in this thread, the pandemic policies were a destructive failure. Many leaders, agencies, and health bureaucrats openly lied and misled the public (well-documented). Hardly anyone who rationally evaluates the evidence disputes this.

 

Usually, when such malfeasance and incompetence is on full display and so obvious, responsible citizens demand accountability, justice, and change. It has nothing to do with political affiliation or mental states. This is a normal reaction of the citizenry when under poor governance.

 

If no one documents or complains about the failures of the health bureaucracies, nothing will change. We will get the same failures over and over again.

[Mind]

Just to document the hatred that spewed forth during the roll-out of the COVID injections, take a look here. Now, very few people around the world is getting the updated injections, even some of the people who engaged in the vitriol. Will they apologize? Of course not. They were paid handsomely to push the injections.

 

Most of the world has moved on to re-evaluation of the pandemic policies - but some are still clinging to the fear porn. Check out this weird website and their video about Santa Claus dying because he was breathing out in public. The vast majority of the world has been living like normal (gathering by the hundreds of millions for sporting events, concerts, religious ceremonies, etc...) for over two years now. The John Snow Project is stuck in 2020. I wonder who funds this "organization". There is zero information on the website about who runs/funds it. Any guesses?

 

Maybe another reason why we got destructive and useless pandemic policies is because pubic health leaders were not even reading their own guidance!

[Hip]

If no one documents or complains about the failures of the health bureaucracies, nothing will change. We will get the same failures over and over again.

 

Nobody reads Longecity, it's a site that has fallen into oblivion. Therefore your posts are not reaching anybody, apart from the handful of odd bods here. So I don't buy this explanation. 

[Hip]

Usually, when such malfeasance and incompetence is on full display and so obvious, responsible citizens demand accountability, justice, and change.

 

So what happens when the wrongdoing was perpetrated by the general public, as it was during the pandemic?

 

The general public flouted much of the guidance, rules and regulations, leading to massive amounts of unnecessary death. So much of the wrongdoing originated with the general public. 

 

How do citizens demand justice and change, when it is the general public who are the wrongdoers?

 

Or as a libertarian, do you believe that the general public can do whatever they like, and can never be held acceptable for their actions? 

[Dorian Grey]

So what happens when the wrongdoing was perpetrated by the general public, as it was during the pandemic?

 

The general public flouted much of the guidance, rules and regulations, leading to massive amounts of unnecessary death. So much of the wrongdoing originated with the general public. 

 

How do citizens demand justice and change, when it is the general public who are the wrongdoers?

 

Or as a libertarian, do you believe that the general public can do whatever they like, and can never be held acceptable for their actions? 

 

Total anarchy has never been optimal for any society, but on the other hand, governments always and invariably tweak the citizens they rule towards ever tighter controls, which must be resisted.  It's an endless enigma of conservative & liberal proclivities that seems never to be in perfect balance.  

 

Personally, I like Churchill's take on the matter: "If you're not liberal when you are young, you have no heart; if not conservative when older, you have no brain".  

 

As I've grown older, I've also noticed what true "WISDOM" really means.  It's something impossible to properly comprehend in youth, but as you attain it, you realize its true value, as well as how devastating its incomprehensibility to youth really is.    

 

Young ones always want to tear everything down and start over from scratch, but they have no idea how much work went into building what we enjoy today.  I'm retired and have no kids, so sorry if I'm not going to be much help. I'm a busy little boomer, still actively destroying the planet and spending your inheritance.  

 

Cheers!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 23 December 2023 - 03:49 PM.