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[albedo]

While I am very Popperian, I found this perspective à-la-Feyerabend interesting to read:

 

"We analyse insufficient epistemic pluralism and associated problems in science-based policy advice during the COVID-19 pandemic drawing on specific arguments in Paul Feyerabend’s philosophy. Our goal is twofold: to deepen our understanding of the epistemic shortcomings in science-based policy during the pandemic, and to assess the merits and problems of Feyerabend’s arguments for epistemic pluralism as well as their relevance for policy-making. We discuss opportunities and challenges of integrating a plurality of viewpoints from within and outside science into policy advice thus contributing to discussions about normative issues concerning evidence and expertise in policy-making."

 

Bschir, K., Lohse, S. Pandemics, policy, and pluralism: A Feyerabend-inspired perspective on COVID-19. Synthese 200, 441 (2022). https://doi.org/10.1...229-022-03923-4

https://link.springe...229-022-03923-4

[albedo]

https://x.com/i/stat...731572338446348

[albedo]

Interesting debate

 

https://youtu.be/Cqu...YHG01b1prBQ_2Me

 

[joesixpack]

Interesting debate

 

https://youtu.be/Cqu...YHG01b1prBQ_2Me

Neil deGrasse Tyson saying nothing wrong with vaccine mandates, nothing wrong with giving the vaccine without full testing, everything was just great. He still seems to think the vaccine works.

 

He is on the wrong side of this issue, just like he is on the wrong side of the "gender" issue.

[Daniel Cooper]

Neil deGrasse Tyson saying nothing wrong with vaccine mandates, nothing wrong with giving the vaccine without full testing, everything was just great. He still seems to think the vaccine works.

 

He is on the wrong side of this issue, just like he is on the wrong side of the "gender" issue.

 

Neil deGrasse Tyson hasn't been a "practicing scientist" in a long time. He's now more of a social and political pundit than anything and his views should be taken as such.

[Mind]

Companies who forced their employees to get the COVID injections are being sued - successfully. Hopefully this continues, but the real culprit is the US government for which there has been zero accountability.

 

Very large study reveals what everyone already knows by now, exposure to children did not increase your risk of contracting COVID nor being hospitalized with COVID. Yet, no one in the US government responsible for the destruction of young lives during the COVID "pandemic of fear" will face any accountability.

[joesixpack]

I just came across this study that was done in New York City from March10,  2020, to May 20, 2020.

 

Around 3,500 hospitalized, confirmed Covid 19 patients took part in the study. 

 

The study concluded that treatment with Zinc plus an ionophore resulted int 24% reduced risk of in house mortality, and an increased rate of discharge home. Treatment with zinc alone, or ionophore alone had no effect.

 

Two things to point out.

 

1. For some reason, this study showing positive results for using zinc + ionophore in patients hospitalized with Covid 19, has never been peer reviewed by a Journal, it is only a preprint. I wonder why?

 

2. Quercetin is a zinc ionophore. Also, Ivermectin has ionophore properties that may make it a zinc ionophore. Hydroxychloroquine is not a direct zinc ionophore, but it does play a role in zinc getting through cell membranes.

 

So this study that could have helped a lot of people was never published. 

 

Here is the study: https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/33140042/

[Dorian Grey]

I just came across this study that was done in New York City from March10,  2020, to May 20, 2020.

 

Around 3,500 hospitalized, confirmed Covid 19 patients took part in the study. 

 

The study concluded that treatment with Zinc plus an ionophore resulted int 24% reduced risk of in house mortality, and an increased rate of discharge home. Treatment with zinc alone, or ionophore alone had no effect.

 

Two things to point out.

 

1. For some reason, this study showing positive results for using zinc + ionophore in patients hospitalized with Covid 19, has never been peer reviewed by a Journal, it is only a preprint. I wonder why?

 

2. Quercetin is a zinc ionophore. Also, Ivermectin has ionophore properties that may make it a zinc ionophore. Hydroxychloroquine is not a direct zinc ionophore, but it does play a role in zinc getting through cell membranes.

 

So this study that could have helped a lot of people was never published. 

 

Here is the study: https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/33140042/

 

Late Spring, early Summer 2020 was when the anti-Trump hydroxychloquine hysteria was peaking.  Surgisphere appeared, and although a blatant fraud, the EUA for HCQ was rescinded.  

 

Not hard to imagine how this paper might have had a hard time finding an impartial peer review & publisher.  

 

I did a deep dive on the ionosphere issue here: https://www.longecit...inc-ionophores/

 

One of the reasons I got some quinine/300mg from overseas pharmacy, as it may have a superior ionosphere function, being organic form chloroquine.  

[joesixpack]

The study did not say what they used as an ionophore. I just assume they used one of the commonly known ingredients. I thought the ionophore assisted in getting zinc into the cell. I was surprised to see that without it, there was no effect. In other words no point in taking zinc without it.

[Mind]

This thread and the mask thread is chock full of examples of how rich people, politicians, and health authorities world-wide blatantly disregarded and broke nearly every COVID panic restriction and law.

 

Here is another example: New York "health" bureaucrat (who enforced the lockdown) had huge sex parties during the COVID lockdown.

 

It is unnerving, or sad, or scary, that these leaders have not faced any consequences what-so-ever. The people in New York and California could care less, apparently. They are ready to do it all over again with glee while praising their hypocritical, law-breaking, unethical leaders. When New York leaders passed a new law to allow the governor to put people into quarantine camps, there was little if any pushback.

Edited by Mind, 20 September 2024 - 05:24 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

Lockdowns for thee, but not for me.

[Mind]

The war against hydroxychloroquine increasingly looks entirely political. Nothing more, nothing less. The minute President Trump promoted it as a potential cure, HCQ had to be taken out. A lot of people died because of this.

 

The study that claimed there were 17,000 deaths caused by the use of HCQ during the COVID pandemic of fear has been retracted. It was junk, based upon known fraudulent data. Add this to the many other fraudulent and made up studies against the use of HCQ - a safe drug that had been used for decades. Remember the US media ran with the "17,000 deaths" to try to take out President Trump. Will the US media issue any corrections? Not a chance.

 

No one should believe anything the US health bureaucracy says - not without rigorous examination. They are mostly unethical, incompetent and politically biased.

[Mind]

Now Chris Whitty says "we overstated the danger of COVID".

 

More attempted CYA by incompetent health bureaucrats. Lives were destroyed. Millions of people died as a direct results of the panic which was led by the governments of the US/UK.

 

 

[Mind]

Here is a white paper arguing that the COVID panic response was responsible for more deaths than the actual disease.

 

Some people who are pointing out the horrible COVID panic response by governments are still being persecuted (for just reporting the facts as admitted to by the government)

[Florin]

Here is a white paper arguing that the COVID panic response was responsible for more deaths than the actual disease.

 

The paper speculated that hospital infections caused more deaths than covid but didn't provide any evidence.

 

I doubt docs are that incompetent.

[Mind]

John Ioannidis claims that "research papers" during the COVID era were more horrible than horrible. Ioannidis was correct on every point he made during the COVID fear pandemic. His research papers on the miniscule mortality rate for people under 70 was spot on.

 

In contrast, most new papers supporting masking, isolation, the "vaccines", were based upon the thinnest of observational data and often retracted. In regards to the anti-hydroxychloroquine situation. there was outright fraud. This is well-documented, yet people continue to defend the incompetent US/UK governments and their response to the COVID "pandemic of fear". They still believe all of the false info they were spoon-fed by the government/media. They still believe that COVID was a super-deadly once-in-a-century pandemic that would have killed hundreds of millions if it were not for the heroic efforts of health bureaucrats.

[Mind]

The BBC and National media outlets in the US were awful during the COVID panic, constantly parroting false government narratives and berating people who asked reasonable questions. Now they ask if "the system" is ignoring the people injured by the COVID injections. The BBC helped cause the mess (and the deaths/suffering) and now pretend to care.

[Mind]

The designer of the Stanford Prison Experiment recently died. I wonder if he was pleased to see his results confirmed during the COVID panic. The instant authority figures (US/UK health bureaucrats) declared a war on the unvaccinated, most of the general population got on board. They instantly went into vein-popping fits of rage and took to media, social media, even confronting their neighbors, to follow the instructions they got from the authority figures. If you think I exaggerate - here is a reminder of how bad it was.

 

Just a reminder of why you should treat statements from the CDC/FDA with some level of suspicion - the newest CDC director reveals how unscientific her decision-making is.

[Mind]

I have made this point before but it bears repeating: US health institutions/universities/bureaucrats are not as competent, rational, or ethical as in the past.

 

Take the editor of Scientific American - going on an unhinged angry tirade after the US election. Also makes wildly unscientific claims.

 

Ivy league schools are treating their students like little babies in need of care after the US election.

 

Most health bureaucrats in the US  (down to the county level) are not doctors or researchers, they just have a piece of paper saying they graduated from a failing US university or they have some other type of "certification". That is why we got unscientific tyrannical "health" policies during the COVID panic. That is why the the COVID response was a destructive debacle that didn't stop the spread of the virus anywhere in the world.

 

Remember the swat teams and helicopters that were deployed to keep people off remote beaches with no one else around. Yep , that is the US health bureaucracy at work.

 

Remember how misleading and fake vides of people dying in China were allowed to spread with no pushback or "fact-check" from the US health bureaucracy.

 

People are less trusting in health "authorities" than ever before. It should be even lower.

[Mind]

Just another example of why you should not trust US institutions (like Ivy league Universities) as much as you used to - they are activists (like Nature and Scientific American). They think all doctors should be activists....and they are not talking about activism for health freedom, ethical leadership, or unbiased medical research.

[Mind]

Conflicts of interest were widespread during the COVID panic. Here is an example of a NZ vaccinologist giving advice on taking the COVID injections - without disclosing they were taking money from Pfizer.

 

In Germany, politicians forced COVID panic measures onto the population AGAINST the recommendations of the RKI. It wasn't the citizens that were anti-science, it was the politicians. Why are people in Germany not more angry and demanding prosecution for this corruption?

[Mind]

Don't forget how insane, ineffective, and tyrannical the whole COVID response was. Remember the Colorado town that wanted to put people in jail for a year if they didn't wear a mask. Remember how a significant portion of the US wanted to put people into quarantine camps and take their kids away if they didn't take the COVID injections.

[Mind]

A concise and entertaining takedown of the "health" bureaucrats who led the COVID debacle in the US and of the useless destructive policies they implemented.

 

RFK Jr wants to go on the warpath against the corrupt and unethical portions of the US Health/Food bureaucracy, but it won't be easy. Big money has a lot of influence and it will find its way into policy and pockets of politicians. I don't have my hopes up too high that there will be accountability and prosecutions coming to Fauci, et al.