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[Florin]

I and others would disagree with you. His language is too specific. Nothing will happen until Trump is president, and then lots will happen.

 

https://x.com/MakisM...492881790009389

 

Did you actually listen to what he had to say? He didn't say that nothing will happen before Trump is inaugurated. In fact, he said bad stuff was already happening. He just seemed concerned about what will happen under Trump's (and RFK's) policies if a pandemic or epidemic developed.

[joesixpack]

Did you actually listen to what he had to say? He didn't say that nothing will happen before Trump is inaugurated. In fact, he said bad stuff was already happening. He just seemed concerned about what will happen under Trump's (and RFK's) policies if a pandemic or epidemic developed.

 

The interview is there, everyone can listen to it and draw their own conclusions.

[zorba990]

Check this out: (around 3:10 if you are short on time)


So you have your answer. "If you had to do it secretly, would you still do it?" "YES"
Probably too late to say 'you've been warned'
We had a good run though. Life is good for the moment.

[Mind]

Did you actually listen to what he had to say? He didn't say that nothing will happen before Trump is inaugurated. In fact, he said bad stuff was already happening. He just seemed concerned about what will happen under Trump's (and RFK's) policies if a pandemic or epidemic developed.

 

I listened to the entire clip multiple times, and Hotez used very poor ways of communicating his point if he was trying to say that he was concerned about what will happen under the new Trump administration. If the current picks for leading the US health establishment are confirmed, I would be way more positive about disease management. Nothing could be worse than the anti-science, ineffective, destructive, politicized COVID debacle run by Hotez, Fauci, Collins, Birx, et al.

 

The awfulness of the last pandemic panic response has been detailed in testimony from various countries. In Germany, health leaders testified that they were pressured by "outside" political forces to implement the pandemic panic measures, even though those measures were not remotely beneficial or proven. 

 

In the US, Congress has detailed how destructive and politicized the COVID debacle was.

 

In the UK, health officials admitted to stoking fear, just so people would follow orders.

 

Knowing all of this, I can't believe how many people still believe the COVID debacle was the most perfect public health response the world has ever seen.

 

Speaking of the Hotez video, some people forget that Dr. Fauci was saying something similar before the 1st Trump presidency - guaranteeing a surprise pandemic.

 

Similar to many other fear-mongering pandemic episodes, the same trashy unscientific US media outlets who were wrong about almost everything during the COVID panic, are trying to gin up panic over the bird flu.

[Florin]

I listened to the entire clip multiple times, and Hotez used very poor ways of communicating his point if he was trying to say that he was concerned about what will happen under the new Trump administration. If the current picks for leading the US health establishment are confirmed, I would be way more positive about disease management. Nothing could be worse than the anti-science, ineffective, destructive, politicized COVID debacle run by Hotez, Fauci, Collins, Birx, et al.

 
I don't care about style; my point was that whoever claims or implies that Hotez said that he's somehow aware of a conspiracy to deliberately generate pandemics only after Trump becomes President is a moron, because he clearly never said that. Attacking him about policy stuff is fine, but people that lie about or are too dumb to understand what he (or anyone else) actually said should be ridiculed.
 

Speaking of the Hotez video, some people forget that Dr. Fauci was saying something similar before the 1st Trump presidency - guaranteeing a surprise pandemic.

There's no reason to be paranoid. In that video clip, he referred to a "surprise outbreak," not a "surprise pandemic." An outbreak could lead to an epidemic or pandemic. Epidemics happen all the time, but the exact timing and type of epidemic (like Zika) is usually a surprise. Pandemics aren't that rare either but they're still surprising when they do occur for the same reasons. As for the timing of Fauci's talk, he was trying to get more funding for pandemic preparedness from Trump.
 

Similar to many other fear-mongering pandemic episodes, the same trashy unscientific US media outlets who were wrong about almost everything during the COVID panic, are trying to gin up panic over the bird flu.

If panic is what it took to motivate people to do the right things, I'd be all for panic, but I suspect they'll mostly do the wrong things.

 

And that's what should be discussed, not raving like a bunch of lunatics about Hotez and Fauci scheming to deliberately unleash pandemics to score political points.

[Mind]

Dr. Fauci and Peter Hotez have not earned trust. There is a non-zero probability that they have acted unethically - on behalf of the government/politicians or on behalf of big-pharma. Both of them have either lied to the public or consistently got everything wrong during the COVID panic.

 

The CDC and FDA continue to hide data and lie to the public. This has been proven and admitted to. In a sane world, the proclamations of Fauci/Hotez and the CDC/FDA would be viewed with skepticism. Traditionally, liars and fraudsters were publicly humiliated and forced out of academia. I am unsure why this is not being done right now.

 

The CDC/FDA continue to relentlessly push for more COVID injections even though (literally) thousands of peer-reviewed and published research papers (and the drug trials themselves) have conclusively shown there are significant serious and deadly side effects from the COVID injections.

 

Even the most recent Moderna RSV vaccine has been proven to be harmful and ineffective, yet you will see commercials and PSAs in the US later today pushing for every kid to get the RSV "vaccine". It is getting to the point now where the CDC and FDA are actively harming the population....yet there is no accountability.

Edited by Mind, 12 December 2024 - 07:17 PM.

[Mind]

The US president (with dementia) recently signed another order to extend the EUA for the COVID injections through 2029. 5 MORE YEARS!

 

Does anyone think there is still and "emergency" due to COVID? Any sane person would say the emergency ended at least a couple of years ago. Moreover, how does the president know the emergency will last 5 more years?

 

There is such a non-emergency right now that hardly anyone is taking the COVID injections anymore. Why do the injections still need a EUA? If the COVID injections "work", then why do we still need an emergency declaration?

 

The fact that not a single bureaucrat in the FDA or CDC (as far as I am aware) said "wait a minute, we don't need this anymore, there isn't an emergency anymore", leads credence to the claim that the FDA and CDC no longer represent the public, but rather are wholly-owned subsidiaries of big-pharma.

[zorba990]

The US president (with dementia) recently signed another order to extend the EUA for the COVID injections through 2029. 5 MORE YEARS!

Does anyone think there is still and "emergency" due to COVID? Any sane person would say the emergency ended at least a couple of years ago. Moreover, how does the president know the emergency will last 5 more years?

There is such a non-emergency right now that hardly anyone is taking the COVID injections anymore. Why do the injections still need a EUA? If the COVID injections "work", then why do we still need an emergency declaration?

The fact that not a single bureaucrat in the FDA or CDC (as far as I am aware) said "wait a minute, we don't need this anymore, there isn't an emergency anymore", leads credence to the claim that the FDA and CDC no longer represent the public, but rather are wholly-owned subsidiaries of big-pharma.

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[Mind]

I am not sure why anyone would trust the likes of Birx, Hotez, Fauci, Collins, et al, and the CDC/FDA anymore.

 

These are the same people that gave us all kinds of awful policies over the last couple of decades.

Remember Fen-phen?

Remember Vioxx?

Remember Oxycontin and the opioid crisis?

Remember the erroneous and failed chemical imbalance theory of depression and mental illness?

 

I could list dozens of other crises, bad medical advice, and terrible regulations brought to us by our "health" leaders. They are not "leaders". They are not helping the public at large. Change needs to happen. People need to STOP supporting failure. The US spends the most money on health care yet has the sickest population on earth.

 

And to rub salt in the wound...the FDA stands solidly in the way of rejuvenation treatments. We would probably already have effective and cheap therapies if it were not for the FDA. The FDA rubberstamps all kinds of expensive ineffective therapeutics with huge laundry lists of serious side effects, yet pushes back against any effort to develop rejuvenation treatments.