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[Florin]

I and others would disagree with you. His language is too specific. Nothing will happen until Trump is president, and then lots will happen.

 

https://x.com/MakisM...492881790009389

 

Did you actually listen to what he had to say? He didn't say that nothing will happen before Trump is inaugurated. In fact, he said bad stuff was already happening. He just seemed concerned about what will happen under Trump's (and RFK's) policies if a pandemic or epidemic developed.

[joesixpack]

Did you actually listen to what he had to say? He didn't say that nothing will happen before Trump is inaugurated. In fact, he said bad stuff was already happening. He just seemed concerned about what will happen under Trump's (and RFK's) policies if a pandemic or epidemic developed.

 

The interview is there, everyone can listen to it and draw their own conclusions.

[zorba990]

Check this out: (around 3:10 if you are short on time)


So you have your answer. "If you had to do it secretly, would you still do it?" "YES"
Probably too late to say 'you've been warned'
We had a good run though. Life is good for the moment.

[Mind]

Did you actually listen to what he had to say? He didn't say that nothing will happen before Trump is inaugurated. In fact, he said bad stuff was already happening. He just seemed concerned about what will happen under Trump's (and RFK's) policies if a pandemic or epidemic developed.

 

I listened to the entire clip multiple times, and Hotez used very poor ways of communicating his point if he was trying to say that he was concerned about what will happen under the new Trump administration. If the current picks for leading the US health establishment are confirmed, I would be way more positive about disease management. Nothing could be worse than the anti-science, ineffective, destructive, politicized COVID debacle run by Hotez, Fauci, Collins, Birx, et al.

 

The awfulness of the last pandemic panic response has been detailed in testimony from various countries. In Germany, health leaders testified that they were pressured by "outside" political forces to implement the pandemic panic measures, even though those measures were not remotely beneficial or proven. 

 

In the US, Congress has detailed how destructive and politicized the COVID debacle was.

 

In the UK, health officials admitted to stoking fear, just so people would follow orders.

 

Knowing all of this, I can't believe how many people still believe the COVID debacle was the most perfect public health response the world has ever seen.

 

Speaking of the Hotez video, some people forget that Dr. Fauci was saying something similar before the 1st Trump presidency - guaranteeing a surprise pandemic.

 

Similar to many other fear-mongering pandemic episodes, the same trashy unscientific US media outlets who were wrong about almost everything during the COVID panic, are trying to gin up panic over the bird flu.

[Florin]

I listened to the entire clip multiple times, and Hotez used very poor ways of communicating his point if he was trying to say that he was concerned about what will happen under the new Trump administration. If the current picks for leading the US health establishment are confirmed, I would be way more positive about disease management. Nothing could be worse than the anti-science, ineffective, destructive, politicized COVID debacle run by Hotez, Fauci, Collins, Birx, et al.

 
I don't care about style; my point was that whoever claims or implies that Hotez said that he's somehow aware of a conspiracy to deliberately generate pandemics only after Trump becomes President is a moron, because he clearly never said that. Attacking him about policy stuff is fine, but people that lie about or are too dumb to understand what he (or anyone else) actually said should be ridiculed.
 

Speaking of the Hotez video, some people forget that Dr. Fauci was saying something similar before the 1st Trump presidency - guaranteeing a surprise pandemic.

There's no reason to be paranoid. In that video clip, he referred to a "surprise outbreak," not a "surprise pandemic." An outbreak could lead to an epidemic or pandemic. Epidemics happen all the time, but the exact timing and type of epidemic (like Zika) is usually a surprise. Pandemics aren't that rare either but they're still surprising when they do occur for the same reasons. As for the timing of Fauci's talk, he was trying to get more funding for pandemic preparedness from Trump.
 

Similar to many other fear-mongering pandemic episodes, the same trashy unscientific US media outlets who were wrong about almost everything during the COVID panic, are trying to gin up panic over the bird flu.

If panic is what it took to motivate people to do the right things, I'd be all for panic, but I suspect they'll mostly do the wrong things.

 

And that's what should be discussed, not raving like a bunch of lunatics about Hotez and Fauci scheming to deliberately unleash pandemics to score political points.

[Mind]

Dr. Fauci and Peter Hotez have not earned trust. There is a non-zero probability that they have acted unethically - on behalf of the government/politicians or on behalf of big-pharma. Both of them have either lied to the public or consistently got everything wrong during the COVID panic.

 

The CDC and FDA continue to hide data and lie to the public. This has been proven and admitted to. In a sane world, the proclamations of Fauci/Hotez and the CDC/FDA would be viewed with skepticism. Traditionally, liars and fraudsters were publicly humiliated and forced out of academia. I am unsure why this is not being done right now.

 

The CDC/FDA continue to relentlessly push for more COVID injections even though (literally) thousands of peer-reviewed and published research papers (and the drug trials themselves) have conclusively shown there are significant serious and deadly side effects from the COVID injections.

 

Even the most recent Moderna RSV vaccine has been proven to be harmful and ineffective, yet you will see commercials and PSAs in the US later today pushing for every kid to get the RSV "vaccine". It is getting to the point now where the CDC and FDA are actively harming the population....yet there is no accountability.

Edited by Mind, 12 December 2024 - 07:17 PM.

[Mind]

The US president (with dementia) recently signed another order to extend the EUA for the COVID injections through 2029. 5 MORE YEARS!

 

Does anyone think there is still and "emergency" due to COVID? Any sane person would say the emergency ended at least a couple of years ago. Moreover, how does the president know the emergency will last 5 more years?

 

There is such a non-emergency right now that hardly anyone is taking the COVID injections anymore. Why do the injections still need a EUA? If the COVID injections "work", then why do we still need an emergency declaration?

 

The fact that not a single bureaucrat in the FDA or CDC (as far as I am aware) said "wait a minute, we don't need this anymore, there isn't an emergency anymore", leads credence to the claim that the FDA and CDC no longer represent the public, but rather are wholly-owned subsidiaries of big-pharma.

[zorba990]

The US president (with dementia) recently signed another order to extend the EUA for the COVID injections through 2029. 5 MORE YEARS!

Does anyone think there is still and "emergency" due to COVID? Any sane person would say the emergency ended at least a couple of years ago. Moreover, how does the president know the emergency will last 5 more years?

There is such a non-emergency right now that hardly anyone is taking the COVID injections anymore. Why do the injections still need a EUA? If the COVID injections "work", then why do we still need an emergency declaration?

The fact that not a single bureaucrat in the FDA or CDC (as far as I am aware) said "wait a minute, we don't need this anymore, there isn't an emergency anymore", leads credence to the claim that the FDA and CDC no longer represent the public, but rather are wholly-owned subsidiaries of big-pharma.

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[Mind]

I am not sure why anyone would trust the likes of Birx, Hotez, Fauci, Collins, et al, and the CDC/FDA anymore.

 

These are the same people that gave us all kinds of awful policies over the last couple of decades.

Remember Fen-phen?

Remember Vioxx?

Remember Oxycontin and the opioid crisis?

Remember the erroneous and failed chemical imbalance theory of depression and mental illness?

 

I could list dozens of other crises, bad medical advice, and terrible regulations brought to us by our "health" leaders. They are not "leaders". They are not helping the public at large. Change needs to happen. People need to STOP supporting failure. The US spends the most money on health care yet has the sickest population on earth.

 

And to rub salt in the wound...the FDA stands solidly in the way of rejuvenation treatments. We would probably already have effective and cheap therapies if it were not for the FDA. The FDA rubberstamps all kinds of expensive ineffective therapeutics with huge laundry lists of serious side effects, yet pushes back against any effort to develop rejuvenation treatments.

[Mind]

For those following along and hoping for some accountability stemming from the COVID debacle, there is a long list of people/whistleblowers ready to bring the hammer down, however, justice might be short-circuited because (dementia) President Biden is considering preemptively pardoning Dr. Fauci and others involved in the COVID debacle. They would not need pardons if they were NOT GUILTY.

[Mind]

For those who still think that everything they saw and heard during the COVID panic was real, remember that the US government was paying BILLIONS of dollars to support their irrational, unscientific, fear narrative. Pharmacies, doctors, hospital systems, etc... were all paid off and not providing you with objective information most of the time.

 

The scariest thing revealed during the COVID panic was how so many doctors, hospitals systems, and pharmacies, were revealed to have extreme political biases. These organizations should be able to deliver their products/services without bias. Those who went "political" during the COVID panic should have their licenses revoked, at the very least.

[Mind]

Interesting parallels between the developing COVID injection crisis and the opioid crisis.

 

How is the opioid crisis being resolved - by the US government blaming everyone else including CVS pharmacy.

 

How about those apples? CVS follows the guidance of "research" and FDA approvals  - and dispenses opioids according to "doctors orders". When the whole enterprise goes to crap, the US government (and their big pharma partners) blames everyone else, including CVS.

 

How much do you want to bet that the US government/FDA/CDC will blame everyone else except themselves when it comes to lawsuits related to the COVID injections.

[Mind]

Remember the fake social media accounts that were used to spread fear during the COVID panic? No one has ever been held accountable for this, nor has any of the awful US national media investigated this issue.

 

Unfortunately, it will probably be worse the next time around. Facebook is launching a program to fill its platform with AI "users" to "drive engagement". How much do you want to bet these will be used to control everyone during the next panic? Most people fell for the ruse last time. It will probably happen again.

 

I would rather talk to humans.

[Mind]

Engineering Reality.

 

 

 

The COVID-19 pandemic demonstrated how thoroughly and quickly modern control systems could manufacture consensus and enforce compliance. Within weeks, established scientific principles about natural immunity, outdoor transmission, and focused protection were replaced by a new orthodoxy. Social media algorithms were programmed to amplify fear-based content while suppressing alternative viewpoints, while news outlets coordinated messaging to maintain narrative control, and financial pressures ensured institutional compliance. 

 

It worked perfectly. Even here in the forum, some people rejected peer-reviewed science in order to "follow the orders" of the government "health" bureaucrats - attacking those who asked pertinent questions or wondered why real science was being abandoned.

[matrix83]

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[Daniel Cooper]

The US president (with dementia) recently signed another order to extend the EUA for the COVID injections through 2029. 5 MORE YEARS!

 

Does anyone think there is still and "emergency" due to COVID? Any sane person would say the emergency ended at least a couple of years ago. Moreover, how does the president know the emergency will last 5 more years?

 

There is such a non-emergency right now that hardly anyone is taking the COVID injections anymore. Why do the injections still need a EUA? If the COVID injections "work", then why do we still need an emergency declaration?

 

The fact that not a single bureaucrat in the FDA or CDC (as far as I am aware) said "wait a minute, we don't need this anymore, there isn't an emergency anymore", leads credence to the claim that the FDA and CDC no longer represent the public, but rather are wholly-owned subsidiaries of big-pharma.

 

That's really remarkable if you pause to think about it.

 

The Pfizer mRNA Covid vaccine was release in December 2020.

 

The average time to get a drug through FDA approval is about 10 years. However, we just had an N=4 billion clinical trial of this vaccine. You'd think that would speed things up a bit. But they apparently plan to keep this on an EUA for 9 years.

[Mind]

If this is true then people in the Biden Administration need to be criminally prosecuted....like yesterday.

 

I know a lot of people are still oblivious to the extreme manipulation that occurred during the COVID panic. Time to wake up.

[joesixpack]

If this is true then people in the Biden Administration need to be criminally prosecuted....like yesterday.

 

I know a lot of people are still oblivious to the extreme manipulation that occurred during the COVID panic. Time to wake up.

 

It seems to be true, Here is a link to a story about Zuckergs appearance of the Rogan show, detailing the Biden administration's demands that Facebook remove anything negative about the Covid vaccine. https://www.dailymai...es-episode.html

[Mind]

Something I have highlighted is brought up in this video as well - there are a lot of politically biased and unethical doctors in the US, more interested in following orders than helping their patients. There are thousands of doctors and nurses that are fully aware of the harmful and deadly side effects of the COVID injections and they are saying nothing. Maybe they are embarrassed. Maybe they are afraid of being sued. They should get over it, clear their conscience, and speak up for the benefit of their patients and profession.

[Florin]

Something I have highlighted is brought up in this video as well - there are a lot of politically biased and unethical doctors in the US, more interested in following orders than helping their patients. There are thousands of doctors and nurses that are fully aware of the harmful and deadly side effects of the COVID injections and they are saying nothing. Maybe they are embarrassed. Maybe they are afraid of being sued. They should get over it, clear their conscience, and speak up for the benefit of their patients and profession.

 

If there was any significant issues beyond what's already known with the covid vaccines, we'd already know by now, even if there was some sort of weird conspiracy of silence in the US.

 

Novavax doesn't use mRNA tech and has been available for some time now, but AFAIK, you haven't mentioned it as an alternative. Have you turned into a complete covid anti-vaxxer?

[Advocatus Diaboli]

Re: Post # 1010:

 

"Novavax doesn't use mRNA tech..."

 

Correct, however Novavax does contain a laboratory-created version of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. And, it is the spike protein, whether created by mNRA tech, or created by the makers of Novavax, that is causing health problems that are associated with the Covid-19 vaccines including heart damage, lung injury, systemic inflamation as well as immune-cell depletion and long Covid symptoms.

 

Effectiveness of Novavax at 4 months was 55% in fending off symptoms of Covid-19.

 

Conclusion: Novavax isn't a viable alternative to mNRA vaccines.

Edited by Advocatus Diaboli, 17 January 2025 - 10:51 PM.

[Florin]

Re: Post # 1010:

 

"Novavax doesn't use mRNA tech..."

 

Correct, however Novavax does contain a laboratory-created version of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. And, it is the spike protein, whether created by mNRA tech, or created by the makers of Novavax, that is causing health problems that are associated with the Covid-19 vaccines.

 

Effectiveness of Novavax at 4 months was 55% in fending off symptoms of Covid-19.

 

Conclusion: Novavax isn't a viable alternative to mNRA vaccines.

 

But does any covid vaccine (and especially Novavax) contain enough spike protein to cause any significant ill effects? Wouldn't getting covid cause a lot more spike protein to be produced anyway? I'd expect that Novavax has the potential to expose you to less spike protein than either the mRNA vaccines or full-blown covid.

 

Novavax has been updated for 2024, so who knows how effective it is today.

 

What seems a bit weird to me is that some people that seem to be a little paranoid about spike protein would rather use supplements with flimsy evidence over vaccines which seem to have better evidence of efficacy. I also doubt that most of these people use respirators.

[Mind]

The awful US national media was running with this recent headline - "17,000 doctors sign a letter against the appointment of RFK JR as secretary of HHS."

 

They should have reported "17,000 anonymous people who self-report that they are a healthcare professional". That would have been proper journalism and more accurate.

 

Chris Martenson highlights the flaws in this "Letter". 

 

The stupid US national media also constantly calls RFK JR "anti-vaxx", when he is clearly for vaccine safety and proper trials. The "anti-vaxx" pejorative no longer works. After the COVID pandemic of fear, people no longer trust generic "medical professionals". These 17,000 "medical professionals" are in a health system in the US that is the most expensive in the world with patients having the worst outcomes and least life expectancy in the developed world.

[pamojja]

What seems a bit weird to me is that some people that seem to be a little paranoid about spike protein would rather use supplements with flimsy evidence over vaccines which seem to have better evidence of efficacy. I also doubt that most of these people use respirators.

 

To counter fact based arguments with ad hominem, seems also weird. But is understandable.

 

Fact is that everyone observing with a scientific mind - of which I assume every MD having to a certain extent - right in the beginning under the worst crowded situation of the Diamond Pricess: out of 700 patients 7 died. Just as with any serious flu-season 1%, and only those at the end of life-expectancy. None below retirement age.

 

Next came the masks and worldwide lockdown, with the justification we wouldn't know how this new virus would behave. Anyone with head in the sand like an ostrich?

 

 

Have you turned into a complete covid anti-vaxxer?

 

Nope, I do know the time-tested risks of traditional vaccines, which I evaluated in favor of repeatedly, with relative little risks. Before retirement age and not remembering my last flu. Such a respiratory disease as Covid, like a serious flu-season, is simply not worth masking or vaccinating, for me.

 

Personal experience showed me right. My brother and I didn't get any covid vaccine, both of us remained free of disease. In the nearer and wider cycle of relatives, everyone vaccinated got it, worse with more boosters.

 

Same at my working place, a homeless shelter, where all workers had to be masked. Most vaccinated, and masked at all times, got it. Repeatedly, and some long covid. Along with clients, a total of about n of 300. Most homeless didn't wear masks on the street during the day-time, Other than my vaccinated relatives and co-workers, I heard of none suffering covid.

 

With one exception of an older Italian, with open wounds from diabetes, got a false positive test, and a single room accommodation as his quarantine for 10 days. But without the slightest symptom throughout.

[albedo]

Excess deaths?

 

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(from Matt Healy's today post on LI)

[Mind]

Remember when the COVID inquiry in Germany found that medical/health professionals were pressured by "outside entities" to not follow the science and go with politically popular narratives/policies instead.

 

The same thing was happening in the UK, according to recent testimony.

 

Recall that you were told to "follow the science" by the very same people who WERE NOT FOLLOWING the science. You can search this discussion to find innumerable instances of people rejecting peer-reviewed science in favor of the popular COVID narrative.

 

School closures were one of the very popular unscientific COVID narratives/policies in the US. Recent research confirms what everyone could see with their own eyes in 2020, 2021, etc... that school closures had no effect on the spread of COVID.

 

Here is a good opinion article which details of the irrational COVID policies and their failures. It ends with a question I have been asking for a while now - will anyone ever be held accountable? Criminal prosecutions? At the very least, a lot of people should be fired.
 

[albedo]

... It ends with a question I have been asking for a while now - will anyone ever be held accountable? Criminal prosecutions? At the very least, a lot of people should be fired.
 

 

Basically the new Administration is an in-progress firing of the previous one in a democratic and non-violent way which is witnessing your democracy. I also trust that the your new President will non hesitate one second in firing non-performers, think about of a RKJ potentially facing a new public health threat (God forbid) and not performing as expected.

[Daniel Cooper]

It ends with a question I have been asking for a while now - will anyone ever be held accountable? Criminal prosecutions? At the very least, a lot of people should be fired.

 

 

Since Biden handed Fauci a retroactive "Get out of jail free card" on the way out the door, the only way he's held accountable is if he's placed under oath and perjures himself. 

 

Honestly, I'd be happy at this point if they put him under oath and he told the truth. That his agency had been funding gain of function, even during the Obama administration ban, through EcoHealth Alliance, and that covid almost certainly originated in a lab at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

 

I'd like accountability, but if I can't have that I'd settle for the world knowing the truth. If for no other reason than the world needs the truth so we can have informed discussions about the wisdom of carrying out this sort of research in the future.

[Advocatus Diaboli]

"Since Biden handed Fauci a retroactive "Get out of jail free card" on the way out the door, the only way he's held accountable is if he's placed under oath and perjures himself."

 

Perjury isn't going to happen. You can't  charge perjury for hundreds of "I don't recall", "I don't remember", or "It has escaped my memory" responses. 

[joesixpack]

"Since Biden handed Fauci a retroactive "Get out of jail free card" on the way out the door, the only way he's held accountable is if he's placed under oath and perjures himself."

 

Perjury isn't going to happen. You can't  charge perjury for hundreds of "I don't recall", "I don't remember", or "It has escaped my memory" responses. 

It might take a little lawyering, but I don't remember can create a fact issue for a perjury conviction. Video interviews, emails that exist, and an adverse inference instruction for emails that are not produced". Plus direct evidence from people that cut a deal with the prosecution.