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[Mind]

How does your advocating for the manmade origin of COVID at the Wuhan Lab square with your view that COVID was already circulating in Europe many months before the Wuhan outbreak? These two views are in contradiction.

 

If COVID was in Europe months before Wuhan, then the Wuhan outbreak could not have been the source of the pandemic.

 

There is no contradiction. The Wuhan Lab was working on weaponizing coronaviruses for several years. A novel virus could have leaked at any time considering the lax safety conditions at the lab. A virus with a IFR as low as SARS-CoV2 (a small fraction of 1%) which is mainly a threat for the very very old and frail, is not going to be noticed.

 

The "Wuhan incident" was just a launching point for the media to create mass hysteria (which they did), and for governments of the world to go crazy with biomedical tyranny (which they did), and for the richest people in the world to get even richer (which they did).

[Hip]

The "Wuhan incident" was just a launching point for the media to create mass hysteria (which they did), and for governments of the world to go crazy with biomedical tyranny (which they did), and for the richest people in the world to get even richer (which they did).

 

Yes, I am sure you also believe in the faked Moon landings conspiracy theory, the QAnon conspiracy theory and flat Earth theory. 

[Hip]

There is no contradiction. The Wuhan Lab was working on weaponizing coronaviruses for several years. A novel virus could have leaked at any time considering the lax safety conditions at the lab. A virus with a IFR as low as SARS-CoV2 (a small fraction of 1%) which is mainly a threat for the very very old and frail, is not going to be noticed.

 

Not going to noticed?! Every time the COVID virus landed in a country, it caused a massive exponential wave of death! Surely you know that?

 

 

And by the way, the latest word is that the studies that purported to find COVID circulating in Europe before the Wuhan outbreak were flawed, so their results are not reliable.

[Daniel Cooper]

And by the way, the latest word is that the studies that purported to find COVID circulating in Europe before the Wuhan outbreak were flawed, so their results are not reliable.

 

Those studies saying that covid was in Europe before Wuhan never made any sense any way.

 

1.) You'd have to take China's word of when they first detected covid.  I absolutely do not and can guarantee that their claim of first detecting it in early December is nonsense.

 

2.) Those studies were supposed to be based on stored samples of sewage effluent from several European cities. To do anything comparative with what was going on in China, you'd need stored samples of sewage from Wuhan and surrounding cities. If the Chinese have such samples, they haven't offered them up for study. And if they did, you'd still have to trust them that they are actually from the specified cities and time periods. Again, I don't trust the Chinese leadership any further than I can throw them.

 

But, if someone has written a refutation of that study I would like to see it out of interest.

 

As far as covid being a bio-weapon - I don't personally think that is likely. It's not that lethal. Not like anthrax or the weaponized versions of smallpox that were developed in the Soviet Union during the cold war. I suppose you could make the case that it was designed for economic warfare which would be a novel application for a bio-weapon. I just don't think that's very plausible. It would be hard to predict the economic impact of the weapon on your adversary's and your own economies. China did end up selling a lot of useless masks and similar items. But over all I think their economy was somewhat more negatively impacted by the pandemic and I think it's pretty undeniable that China's economy has slowed and is in many respects worse off than it was before the pandemic. Recently China has declined to publish unemployment numbers. Given that a lot of their published economic data is fabricated, you can only conclude that unemployment has risen enough that made up numbers wouldn't pass the smell test any more.

 

No, I think the Chinese were doing exactly what they said they were doing and what Anthony Fauci had be advocating B.C. - Before Covid. They were manipulating bat coronaviruses to attempt to anticipated the next SARs pandemic. I find the whole idea foolish - that you can predict the ways in which a virus might evolve in the wild and experiment and come up with strategies to combat these new viruses. There's just too many ways that any given virus might evolve and too many viruses. The whole thing seems futile to me, but Fauci is a fan of the idea.

 

Of course instead of predicting the next pandemic, they likely caused it. I do believe is it much more likely than not that sars-cov-2 escaped from the WIV due to extremely lax care in what they were doing, which is pretty typical of how the Chinese conduct business in general.
 

[Hip]

Of course instead of predicting the next pandemic, they likely caused it. I do believe is it much more likely than not that sars-cov-2 escaped from the WIV due to extremely lax care in what they were doing, which is pretty typical of how the Chinese conduct business in general.

 

I tend to agree that a a lab leak of some engineered virus by sloppy Chinese malpractices could be the source of the pandemic. China has contaminated 10% of its arable land with heavy metals arising from its explosive expansion of industry, combined with lax regulation. Anyone that sloppy is a liability. 

[Daniel Cooper]

I tend to agree that a a lab leak of some engineered virus by sloppy Chinese malpractices could be the source of the pandemic. China has contaminated 10% of its arable land with heavy metals arising from its explosive expansion of industry, combined with lax regulation. Anyone that sloppy is a liability. 

 

I deal with a number of Chinese companies professionally. The Chinese have this weird feature of their culture that has been around for a long time - a very noteworthy amount of fatalism.

 

The Chinese tend to believe "If something is fated to happen, it will happen. No matter what you do to avoid it.". This ends up expressing itself in not taking the sort of care in things we expect in the West. The way they tend to look at it, if a dam is fated to fail, it will fail. No matter how much care you take when designing it or building it. So, they sort of shrug their shoulders and say "why bother?" and just plow ahead.

 

The other cultural thing is they have a saying that roughly translates "If you can cheat, cheat". The feeling is if you are a businessman and an opportunity to cheat that will benefit you presents itself, if you don't take advantage of it you are a bad businessman (and very stupid to boot).

 

This is how you have scandals like them putting melamine in dog food and worse - baby formula. See, melamine is cheap and it shows up as protein when you assay food products. So if you want to boost the protein content on some sort of food on the cheap you dump some melamine in it. Of course, the stuff it somewhat toxic. But, you can make a bit more money so how can you pass that up?

 

Same thing for lead paint on child toys, methanol in alcoholic beverages, "tofu dreg" construction, etc. etc. The list is long.

 

Combining these cultural attitudes with experiments involving dangerous gain of function research was always a recipe for disaster. It was just a matter of time.

[Dorian Grey]

I stopped listening to descriptions of Chinese culture when I saw photos of the cat cull for the 2008 Olympics and the annual dog meat festival:

 

Beijing Animals Endure the Ugly Side of the Olympics

 

" In recent months thousands of cats in Beijing—both stray and owned “pets” have been corralled, crammed into cages so small the animals are unable to lift their heads, and trucked off to what the Free Republic online news source calls “death camps” outside the city. At a large animal “compound” in Da Niu Fang Village the sounds of hundreds of wailing cats can be heard coming from clusters of tin-roofed sheds"

 

And the meat festival: 

 

"Thousands of dogs and cats are brutally slaughtered for human consumption in Yulin for the summer solstice, but this represents just a fraction of the year-round trade across China. Most of these animals are stolen pets and strays grabbed from the streets. Over the years, the Yulin authorities have attempted several crack downs on the trade, including roadblocks to stop trucks entering the city packed full of live dogs and cats."

 

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I was joking with some friends at work, the Chinese are rather clever, but it's a shame God didn't give them a soul.  I eat meat, but I would likely be vegan if we treated our animals this way.  

[Daniel Cooper]

The Chinese have many wonderful qualities and the eating of dog meat is something that is fading away. It's not something you really see much of in the younger generation that live in the cities.

 

But, they have certain weird tics culturally (as we do as well). For instance, they aren't exactly what we in the West would call religious. I'd say the majority that I've ever spoken to about anything religious seem to consider themselves to be atheists (this is by in large a legacy of communism). But, they are also simultaneously some of the most superstitious people I've ever met. They may build tiny replica homes behind their house so the ghosts of the prior occupants will stay there and leave them alone. Four is unlucky, eight is very lucky. Sure, we in the West say "thirteen is unlucky" but it's really really not the same intensity as it is in China. It would be hard to list all the superstitions honestly. Ghosts figure pretty prominently.

 

They are very industrious and hard working. But, often times they will produce something where you'll say to yourself "if you'd just have spent that extra nickel on this, it would be twice as good as it is".

 

They can have very close families and they love to have fun. But, they can sometimes ignore a child crying in the street.

 

A lot of the worse issues in their society are the result of the way Mao and the hard line communist ruled the country for the better part of 50 years. They made a concerted effort to completely destroy their cultural heritage (because a Communist Utopia requires a blank slate) and more often than not that translated into destroying the best parts and leaving the rest (because the best aspects of anything tend to be the most fragile).

 

They are very intelligent and hard working. But they also can be very careless and short sighted. They fact that they are doing genetic engineering on everything from viruses to (almost certainly) human beings scares the hell out of me.

[Mind]

Japanese scientists claim that SARS-CoV2 was made in a lab. They claim that the Omicron variants can be traced back to 2020, suggesting multiple variants were evolve/created in a lab. I am unsure if this has been peer-reviewed.

 

I don't doubt their claim at this point. If an original variant was created in a lab, and the purpose of the US/Google-led funding of gain of function research was to create novel viruses, then multiple variants could have easily been created/evolved in a lab. Why only create one?

[Dorian Grey]

Japanese scientists claim that SARS-CoV2 was made in a lab. They claim that the Omicron variants can be traced back to 2020, suggesting multiple variants were evolve/created in a lab. I am unsure if this has been peer-reviewed.

 

I don't doubt their claim at this point. If an original variant was created in a lab, and the purpose of the US/Google-led funding of gain of function research was to create novel viruses, then multiple variants could have easily been created/evolved in a lab. Why only create one?

 

I've always thought omicron was a BIG-FIX bug, created to overtake and eliminate the highly pathogenic pre-omicron pulmonary bio-weapons.  

 

They had to just go for it and cut it loose in Africa.  Can you imagine a scientific proposal to release another lab bug to fix the one that got out a while back?  

 

Nope...  Just get-er-done!  Whoa, where did that come from...  Praise God!  We're saved!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 09 October 2023 - 02:20 AM.

[Daniel Cooper]

Japanese scientists claim that SARS-CoV2 was made in a lab. They claim that the Omicron variants can be traced back to 2020, suggesting multiple variants were evolve/created in a lab. I am unsure if this has been peer-reviewed.

 

I don't doubt their claim at this point. If an original variant was created in a lab, and the purpose of the US/Google-led funding of gain of function research was to create novel viruses, then multiple variants could have easily been created/evolved in a lab. Why only create one?

 

 

If that data is accurate and if the interpretation is correct, then that tends to lead away from an accidental release and towards an intentional release. I just don't think it likely that multiple variants would escape at the same time accidentally unless there was some widespread breakdown of some safety measures.

 

I've never leaned towards an intentional release, but if multiple variants were in circulation very early, then that does raise suspicions.

[Dorian Grey]

Oh this is just terrific!  https://www.dailymai...iment-them.html

 

Chinese scientists discover EIGHT never-before-seen viruses... and now they plan to experiment with them

 

Scientists found new pathogens in rodents on an isolated tropical island

 

Chinese scientists have discovered never-before-seen viruses lurking on a tropical island — and warned they could infect humans.

Researchers tasked with preparing the world for future pandemic took almost 700 samples from rodents living in Hainan, just off China's southern coast.

Eight novel viruses — including one belonging to the same family as Covid — were uncovered in the project, funded by the Chinese Government.

Experts said the discovered pathogens had a 'high probability' of infecting humans should they ever cross the species barrier.

As a result, they called for further experiments on the viruses to determine exactly what their effects on humans could be.

[Daniel Cooper]

Oh this is just terrific!  https://www.dailymai...iment-them.html

 

Chinese scientists discover EIGHT never-before-seen viruses... and now they plan to experiment with them

 

Scientists found new pathogens in rodents on an isolated tropical island

 

Chinese scientists have discovered never-before-seen viruses lurking on a tropical island — and warned they could infect humans.

Researchers tasked with preparing the world for future pandemic took almost 700 samples from rodents living in Hainan, just off China's southern coast.

Eight novel viruses — including one belonging to the same family as Covid — were uncovered in the project, funded by the Chinese Government.

Experts said the discovered pathogens had a 'high probability' of infecting humans should they ever cross the species barrier.

As a result, they called for further experiments on the viruses to determine exactly what their effects on humans could be.

 

See - this is why Fauci making a concerted effort to bury the idea that covid-19 had originated in that Wuhan lab was always so dangerous.

 

The world needs to have a serious conversation about the wisdom of doing gain of function research of this type. But because health care officials - particularly in the US - did their best to suppress any discussion of the possibility that a world wide pandemic had been caused by a lab leak that conversation never happened.

 

So the gain of function research will continue. And with China's usual attention to safety and quality control maybe the next pandemic is already being worked on. Next time we might not be so lucky. And yes - with 6 million deaths out of an 8 billion world population it could have been far worse.

[Dorian Grey]

Oh well...  I've had a good life.  Came of age in the 70s, & graduated High School the year the Vietnam war ended. 

 

Sex & drugs and rock & roll.  Birth control pills for the gals woo-hoo!  Were the 80's civilization's peak?  They were for me!  

 

If it all ends tomorrow, I'll die with a smile on my face.  Feel bad for the young ones though.  They all seem bound & determined to have a miserable time during youth.  

 

I tease my wife sometimes with the question: Why is it when men see complex things, they try to simplify them; and when women see simple things, they try to complicate them?  

 

It looks to me like ALL of the young ones are trying to complicate life until it's no longer worth living. 

 

Goodnight ALL!  

[Daniel Cooper]

Oh well...  I've had a good life.  Came of age in the 70s, & graduated High School the year the Vietnam war ended. 

 

Sex & drugs and rock & roll.  Birth control pills for the gals woo-hoo!  Were the 80's civilization's peak?  They were for me!  

 

If it all ends tomorrow, I'll die with a smile on my face.  Feel bad for the young ones though.  They all seem bound & determined to have a miserable time during youth.  

 

I tease my wife sometimes with the question: Why is it when men see complex things, they try to simplify them; and when women see simple things, they try to complicate them?  

 

It looks to me like ALL of the young ones are trying to complicate life until it's no longer worth living. 

 

Goodnight ALL!  

 

 

Chin up! Maybe the Chinese won't let another bug escape one of their labs. Maybe they'll be more careful.

 

It could happen!

[Mind]

Just to hit home again how awful the US media was during the COVID panic, spreading all kinds of false narratives, fear, and lies, take a look at how Vanity Fair changed there tune about the origins of the virus.

 

First: Dr. Fauci is a god and Senator Paul is a sniveling moron. The lab origin theory is total bullshit

 

Now: NIH says US funded risky research in China (which everyone knew from the beginning)

[Dorian Grey]

America's frightening new bat lab: $12m taxpayer-funded NIH research facility in Colorado will import bats from Asia and infect them with deadly diseases - in project with China-linked scientists

 

https://www.dailymai...eak-theory.html

 

• The NIH granted Colorado State University $6.7million to build a new bat lab
• The 14,000sq-ft facility could study some of the most transmissible pathogens

A new taxpayer-funded lab is being built in Colorado that will import bats from around the world and experiment on dangerous diseases, DailyMail.com can reveal.

The multi-million-dollar project is a collaboration between Dr Anthony Fauci's old department at the National Institutes of Health, Colorado State University (CSU) and EcoHealth Alliance (EHA), a controversial research group at the center of the Covid lab leak theory.

Proposals seen by this website show how the 14,000sq-ft facility could store and study some of the most transmissible pathogens on the planet - including Ebola, Nipah virus and Covid-19.

 

[Mind]

America's frightening new bat lab: $12m taxpayer-funded NIH research facility in Colorado will import bats from Asia and infect them with deadly diseases - in project with China-linked scientists

 

https://www.dailymai...eak-theory.html

 

• The NIH granted Colorado State University $6.7million to build a new bat lab
• The 14,000sq-ft facility could study some of the most transmissible pathogens

A new taxpayer-funded lab is being built in Colorado that will import bats from around the world and experiment on dangerous diseases, DailyMail.com can reveal.

The multi-million-dollar project is a collaboration between Dr Anthony Fauci's old department at the National Institutes of Health, Colorado State University (CSU) and EcoHealth Alliance (EHA), a controversial research group at the center of the Covid lab leak theory.

Proposals seen by this website show how the 14,000sq-ft facility could store and study some of the most transmissible pathogens on the planet - including Ebola, Nipah virus and Covid-19.

 

Just a reminder about how these people bragged about how easy it was to manipulate coronaviruses, and then lied about it later.

 

So the same people who funded the Wuhan lab and did dangerous gain of function research for years before 2019 (Dr Fauci, Google-funded EcoHealth, Peter Daszak), THEN LIED ABOUT IT, are now going to keep on rolling with the research in the U.S.

 

It is like a machine that cannot be stopped. The WHO won't stop it. US Congress won't stop it. It seems there is no one looking out for the safety of the world's population.

 

Same thing with the COVID injections. No matter how many peer-reviewed papers come out showing how useless and potentially dangerous they are, they keep being promoted. - like in Brazil. It is like a machine that cannot be stopped - cannot be paused - cannot be shut off.

Edited by Mind, 11 November 2023 - 12:01 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

America's frightening new bat lab: $12m taxpayer-funded NIH research facility in Colorado will import bats from Asia and infect them with deadly diseases - in project with China-linked scientists

 

https://www.dailymai...eak-theory.html

 

• The NIH granted Colorado State University $6.7million to build a new bat lab
• The 14,000sq-ft facility could study some of the most transmissible pathogens

A new taxpayer-funded lab is being built in Colorado that will import bats from around the world and experiment on dangerous diseases, DailyMail.com can reveal.

The multi-million-dollar project is a collaboration between Dr Anthony Fauci's old department at the National Institutes of Health, Colorado State University (CSU) and EcoHealth Alliance (EHA), a controversial research group at the center of the Covid lab leak theory.

Proposals seen by this website show how the 14,000sq-ft facility could store and study some of the most transmissible pathogens on the planet - including Ebola, Nipah virus and Covid-19.

 

 

Only the finest imported bats from around the world will be used to create the next global pandemic.

[Dorian Grey]

US researchers found 'serious safety concerns' at Wuhan's coronavirus lab in 2017 three years before pandemic - but were censored to shield china from criticism, shock new documents show

 

https://www.dailymai...y-concerns.html

 

Warnings from US researchers about genetically engineered viruses at China's bat lab were raised years before the Covid-19 pandemic, but were ignored or censored.

Newly obtained records show how an NIH official raised serious concerns about the Wuhan Institute of Virology's plan to engineer Ebola strains in 2017.

The lab - where the FBI believes Covid leaked from - was found to have a 'serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate'.

A year prior US energy officials warned the NIAID of the dangers of genetically engineered and altered pathogens. However, longtime head of the National Institutes of Health, Francis Collins, called the claims 'science fiction.'

The US was indirectly funding the WIV research through grants awarded to EcoHealth Alliance (EHA), a controversial research group at the center of the Covid lab leak theory, which then sent money to the WIV. 

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Much more in the linked story.  

 

[adamh]

Another thing to keep in mind when looking at data from china is that they are well known for 'massaging' the statistics to make themselves look better. Virtually every statistic out of china from unemployment to industrial output to deaths and everything else is changed for the better. Bad low numbers become higher, bad high numbers become lower and so on. They quit even reporting youth unemployment and what they do report must be taken with a grain of salt to say the least.

 

Part of this is the chinese tradition of face, one must avoid losing face at any cost and reporting on failures loses face so it must be suppressed. Having created a plague and having released it either deliberately or through incompetence is not something they would admit to. I personally think it was released carelessly since if it was deliberate, they would have released it in europe or usa to throw the blame on us. They would not have released it next door, they are not that incompetent or stupid. They did in fact try to blame us but since it originated in china, that weakens their argument 

[Hip]

Chinese scientists find a NEW bat coronavirus linked to pangolins that has same freak mutation as Covid - and some experts say it shoots down the lab leak theory. 

 

"The discovery of a new wild coronavirus that has the same freak mutation as Covid-19 is being hailed by some scientists as proof Sars-CoV-2 was not made in a lab.

 

Researchers in China have found another bat coronavirus that possesses a furin cleavage site — the part that made Covid-19 so good at infecting people.

 

The furin has been one of the focal points of debate about Covid-19's origin, with some experts claiming it could only have been acquired through lab experiments. 

 

Since then, studies have shown that wild coronaviruses can acquire the structure naturally."

[Advocatus Diaboli]

From the article Hip cites in post # 322.:

 

'The [new] study provides no - zero - new information relevant to the origin of SARS-CoV-2,' Dr Richard Ebright, a chemical biologist at Rutgers University in New Jersey told DailyMail.com.

'The two viruses sequenced in the study are not SARS-related coronaviruses [and] are not among the many hundreds of known viruses referred to as SARS-related [viruses].'

'The viruses detected in the bats were merbecovirus and nyctacovirus. These are not SARS-related coronaviruses as Covid-19 is, but they do belong to other groups of coronaviruses.'

Dr Ebright added that that while 'hundreds' of Covid-like viruses might occur naturally, this study could not explain why they are only being found hundreds of miles away from Wuhan, a bustling metropolis of more than 8million people.

He believes the predecessor to Covid was shipped to Wuhan by scientists at the WIV and then experimented on. 

He pointed to the fact that in 2018 the WIV proposed implanting coronaviruses with furin cleavage sites.

 

Emphasis is mine.

Edited by Advocatus Diaboli, 26 November 2023 - 10:33 PM.

[joesixpack]

REVEALED: Anthony Fauci-run lab in MONTANA experimented with coronavirus strain shipped in from Wuhan a year BEFORE Covid pandemic began

US taxpayer money was used to experiment with coronaviruses from the Chinese lab thought to be the source of the Covid pandemic more than a year before the global outbreak, an investigation has found.

Part of the same article.

[pamojja]

Researchers in China have found ..

 

Thanks. But by taking Chinese research under the CCP at face value, one is ill-informed.

[Hip]

But by taking Chinese research under the CCP at face value, one is ill-informed.

 

Not thinking before posting indicates one is ill equipped engage in scientific discussion. 

 

If Chinese scientists lie about something which can be independently verified by other scientists around the world, it would make the Chinese look bad. The Chinese may lie, but only when they can get away with it. They are not stupid. 

 

This finding of the same freak furin mutations in a bat virus in the wild can easily be verified by independent scientists from other countries, who can study the same bats. Therefore it would be pointless and foolish for the Chinese to lie. 

[pamojja]

.. it would make the Chinese look bad. The Chinese may lie, but only when they can get away with it. They are not stupid. 

 

As bad as the scientist of so many retracted papers on this subject? As bad as Fauci responsible for the mess?
 

[Daniel Cooper]

EcoHealth Alliance Proposal to US DoD Blueprint for Covid-19?

 

From the Daily Mail.

 

 

 

The records - obtained now by FOIA requests - lay out a plan to 'engineer spike proteins' to infect human cells that would then be 'inserted into SARS-Covid backbones' at the infamous Wuhan virology lab from December 2018.

 

 

 

Matt Ridley, a biologist and science writer who has written extensively about the potential lab leak in the past, said: 'This latest [document] leak makes the case for a lab leak almost certain. 

 

'A reckless experiment, known at the time to be reckless, probably caused the death of millions of people. 

'Scientists and the media conspired to conceal the evidence. Let that sink in.'

 

 

 

The team sought to synthesize spike proteins with furin cleavage sites that had been designed to bind to human receptors more easily. 

The furin has been one of the focal points of debate about Covid-19's origin, with some experts claiming it could only have been acquired through lab experiments.

 

The grant then proposed attaching the furin to coronavirus strains and infecting mice to see how ill it would make them.

 

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 20 December 2023 - 11:35 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

News Flash...  Those brilliant Chinese bio-lab researchers have created a new SARS-CoV-2 "like" coronavirus, with a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT FATALITY RATE in humanized ACE-2 mice.  

 

The virus appears to be transmissible by air/respiration just like COVID, but infects the BRAIN once it enters the body, and NOT A SINGLE TEST ANIMAL SURVIVED.  

 

The researchers say this virus needs more study, as we'll need to know how to combat these virus in the future if they ever spring up naturally from nature.  

 

Dr John is worried!  

 

https://youtu.be/Jcu...p_SXeauJ3f8Cy0B

 

So am I!  

[Daniel Cooper]

The paper linked in that video: Lethal Infection of Human ACE2-Transgenic Mice Caused by SARS-CoV-2-1 related Pangolin Coronavirus GX_P2V(short_3UTR)
 
This is a letter to the editor of some journal (not sure which one). I read it and I'm not getting that this is a modified virus but rather something they collected from the wild. Others should have a look at that and see what they think.
 
However - wild, modified, whatever - the fact that this is being experimented with in any Chinese lab given that SARS-CoV-2 almost certainly escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology is extremely concerning. I can't image that they a fooling around with this given that millions of people have died from a virus that escaped from one of their labs. 
 
100% lethal. Have these people lost their minds?
 
Do the 8 billion people living on this planet get to have any say as to whether this dangerous research is allowed to continue?

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 14 January 2024 - 04:12 PM.