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[albedo]

Why now? Conjectures and theories need to be criticized and discussed and refuted by rational criticism. I am skeptic and will not swallow statements and declarations likely dictated by political flags gone with the wind.

[Dorian Grey]

Why now? Conjectures and theories need to be criticized and discussed and refuted by rational criticism. I am skeptic and will not swallow statements and declarations likely dictated by political flags gone with the wind.

 

I remember joking online back in the early days about:

 

"24,642,757 square miles of habitable land on planet earth, and this virus just happened to pop-up walking distance from a Level-4 bat coronavirus gain of function experimental laboratory"...  

 

What kind of wild, wacky coincidence is that!  

[Mind]

CIA now says Covid DID come from Chinese lab in stunning reversal after years of denial under Biden

 

https://www.dailymai...sal-denial.html

 

The CIA has today revealed its belief that COVID-19 was likely leaked from a Chinese lab after years of denial under the Biden administration. 

A spokesperson for the agency said on Saturday that they now favor the lab theory. 

Officials said that there is no new evidence behind their shift in opinion - it is based on the same evidence they have been mulling over for months. 

'CIA assesses with low confidence that a research-related origin of the COVID-19 pandemic is more likely than a natural origin based on the available body of reporting. 

In announcing their shift in stance, the CIA joined the FBI and the Energy Department in identifying the cause of it as being a lab mishap in Wuhan, China.

Under Biden and COVID czar Anthony Fauci, the government was adamant that the lab notion was nothing more than a conspiracy theory. 

 

Just as a reminder, it was considered a stupid conspiracy theory, something only right-wing idiots would consider, just a couple of years ago. The US government (and Fauci, et al) did everything they could to censor any talk about a "lab-leak", Now the awful NYTimes is now reporting it doesn't matter anyway, so shut up about it.

 

Notable also that with the change in presidents comes a change in policy - the US is no longer working with or partnering with Google-funded EcoHealth Alliance.

[Daniel Cooper]

Why now? Conjectures and theories need to be criticized and discussed and refuted by rational criticism. I am skeptic and will not swallow statements and declarations likely dictated by political flags gone with the wind.

 

For what it's worth, this new CIA position was reached during the waning days of the Biden administration before Trump's inauguration.

 

https://www.nbcnews....outb-rcna189284

 

 

The CIA’s assessment was not based on new intelligence but on analysts reviewing existing information, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News. The review was ordered in the closing weeks of the Biden administration and completed before President Donald Trump’s inauguration, the source said.

 

It is a very good question to ask ... "Why now?" since apparently there was no new information. Perhaps a better question would be why did the CIA cling to the "wet market theory" long after the consensus had shifted to the Wuhan Institute of Virology being the likely culprit.

 

My guess is that they didn't want the new administration to break that news and that internal CIA documents very likely support the lab leak hypothesis.

[Mind]

It is interesting that the origins of COVID were suppressed so thoroughly - EVEN THOUGH the funding of gain-of-function research was a relatively open-secret. One young reporter (among many others, like David Martin) laid it all out a few years ago. It is amazing how herd mentality - funded and driven by the US government - so effectively suppressed the truth of the matter - among many other aspects about the COVID panic. It is disturbing to see so many people still clinging on to the false narratives that were promoted in 2020 and 2021.

Edited by Mind, 05 February 2025 - 06:15 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

What so infuriated me was how the lab leak theory was ridiculed as a "completely impossible conspiracy theory".

 

It was never any such thing. Even had it turned out not to have been what actually happened, it was always a reasonable and plausible theory. The idea that a zoonotic bat derived coronavirus suddenly appeared on the scene literally within blocks of a lab that specialized in collecting and experimenting on bat corona virus might have originated at that lab was always a perfectly respectable conjecture.

 

The fact that it was so vigorously opposed has to make you wonder if the people opposing it didn't have a vested interested (yes, I'm looking at you Dr. Fauci and your associates).  

 

Ridicule is one of the techniques used to shut people up. Thank god at the end of the day it did not work in this case.

[Mind]

Remember when the theory that COVID came from a lab was labeled a "racist conspiracy theory"?

 

Some German authorities were convinced it came from a lab but that information was hid from the public, until now.

 

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who are still in the dark about the politicization of the COVID pandemic panic. They think everything they heard from the US Government, CDC, FDA, etc... was honest science. The reality is hardly anything that happened during the COVID pandemic panic was based upon science (and yet hardly anyone is being held accountable).

[Mind]

The US national media like the New York Times, Reuters, AP, CBS, ABC, all of them, were pathetic during the COVID pandemic panic. They all parroted the misleading narratives from the US Government and "health" bureaucracies. They cheered for the failed pandemic measures and the COVID injections. And most importantly, they all shut-down the lab leak theory as best they could.

 

Now comes the CYA. Everyone everywhere is trying to rewrite history. Now the NYTimes is complaining about how we were all misled about the lab leak theory. If they were honest, they would apologize.

 

With all the CYA going on, I wouldn't be surprised to see the WHO and CDC go back to their mask stance from pre-panic, which was that masking is not a good population-wide response to pandemics.

Edited by Mind, 20 April 2025 - 11:30 AM.

[Mind]

A former head of MI6 told Boris Johnson that SARS-CoV2 was made in the lab at Wuhan. Yet the British public was never made aware of this.

 

The cover-up of the Gain-of-Function research is just a tiny tiny slice of all the false and misleading narratives that were fed the general public during the COVID pandemic panic. Yet, there are a lot of people who still believe everything they saw and heard during the COVID debacle - like a religious belief.

[zorba990]

So that's a wrap?
https://www.whitehou...ns-of-covid-19/
Or is this just pretext for war?


THE ORIGIN
“The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2” publication — which was used repeatedly by public health officials and the media to discredit the lab leak theory — was prompted by Dr. Fauci to push the preferred narrative that COVID-19 originated naturally.
"
1. The virus possesses a biological characteristic that is not found in nature.
2. Data shows that all COVID-19 cases stem from a single introduction into humans. This runs contrary to previous pandemics where there were multiple spillover events.
3. Wuhan is home to China’s foremost SARS research lab, which has a history of conducting gain-of-function research (gene altering and organism supercharging) at inadequate biosafety levels.
4. Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researchers were sick with COVID-like symptoms in the fall of 2019, months before COVID-19 was discovered at the wet market.
5. By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced. But it hasn’t.
"

Edited by zorba990, 18 April 2025 - 09:22 PM.

[Mind]

So that's a wrap?
https://www.whitehou...ns-of-covid-19/
Or is this just pretext for war?


THE ORIGIN
“The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2” publication — which was used repeatedly by public health officials and the media to discredit the lab leak theory — was prompted by Dr. Fauci to push the preferred narrative that COVID-19 originated naturally.
"
1. The virus possesses a biological characteristic that is not found in nature.
2. Data shows that all COVID-19 cases stem from a single introduction into humans. This runs contrary to previous pandemics where there were multiple spillover events.
3. Wuhan is home to China’s foremost SARS research lab, which has a history of conducting gain-of-function research (gene altering and organism supercharging) at inadequate biosafety levels.
4. Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researchers were sick with COVID-like symptoms in the fall of 2019, months before COVID-19 was discovered at the wet market.
5. By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced. But it hasn’t.
"

 

It seems all of the points raised by this recent document are solid. At the time (5 years ago), it seemed like the "proximal origins" paper was being pushed upon the public. Of course, the awful US media ran with it, instead of investigating it more thoroughly.