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[ovidiu]

first of all, I apologize for my English, it's not my native language and I don't use it in writing that often.

my current attitude is that the only effect piracetam has on me is a placebo one, which is probably false (

Don't try this at home. Several times a day, for several days, you induce pain in someone. You control the pain with morphine until the final day of the experiment, when you replace the morphine with saline solution. Guess what? The saline takes the pain away. This is the placebo effect: somehow, sometimes, a whole lot of nothing can be very powerful. Except it's not quite nothing. When Fabrizio Benedetti of the University of Turin in Italy carried out the above experiment, he added a final twist by adding naloxone, a drug that blocks the effects of morphine, to the saline. The shocking result? The pain-relieving power of saline solution disappeared.

:Michael Brooks, 13 things that do not make sense).

still, I can't help myself thinking this way. what I'm actually trying to keep away from is inventing new moods for me just for the fun of it.

i think it would be more efficient to try and dismantle the placebo. deep down, I feel good just for taking the pills and, as a result, I am aware i will interpret any success that comes from my day-to-day activities as a result of taking the pills. it's like when you're drunk and you think your social inhibitions are gone, but, as you gain more experience with alcohol, you become aware that you only think you lose those inhibitions. following that line of thought, I think pricetam mainly gives me an "excuse" to improve my life and escape a downspiral. it gives me some confidence, as it should. of course, this wouldn't be so without the positive feedback I found on the Internet.

before piracetam was prescribed to me, I was hoping for or expecting to get benzodiazepines. a friend of mine described their effect to me as something like a total escape from anxiety, no paranoia or anything. with my current financial crisis, I thought such a drug would be the thing I needed. Alcohol wasn't doing the trick for me because I felt like one of those people who drink and feel sorry for themselves and also secretly hope for someone else to notice their depression and get help this way but without having to find the courage to ask for it. the only drawback with benzodiazepines is they are addictive and the withdrawal is terrifying. I was aware of that but I was willing to take the risk. piracetam poses no risk of addiction but it isn't that strong. in the end, I am satisfied and actually i am glad i am taking piracetam than some benzodiazepine. like alcohol, benzodiazepines have a dramatic aspect tied to them.

Edited by ovidiu, 27 April 2009 - 09:25 AM.

[bobman]

nootropikamil, if you want to find the benefits with piractam, you should look into the effects on CBF (Cerebral Blood Flow), Language, such as reading, writing, and verbal learning/recall, effects in cerebral glucose utilization, as well as increased intra brain communication.

You seem to be getting a little edgy again, not ment to be an insult or slam.

A little edgy? I think it's called scientific and skeptical. You should try it rather than relying on pseudoscience and anecdotal authority to establish an argument. Not meant to be an insult or slam; just asking you to stop presenting a well established scientific myth as truth.

You still have yet to present a scientific argument or a reference to support your argument. Therefore, I rest my case: Piracetam is ineffective as a cognition enhancer and not worth its cost. The only individuals supporting the use of Piracetam are those selling it or those who are unable to provide any evidence to support their claim. Case closed.

Peace out.

ha ha. That red text makes your utterly myopic survey of piracetam studies seem even more juvenile. Plenty of people, myself included have taken it and noticed dramatic differences. Never mind that placebo doesn't work on rats and there are in vivo histological changes well documented. This is probably an old thread, but you are just too much fun to pass up chibi.

[bobman]

Aniracetam question: Someone trying to recover from 1.5 year lamictal use, would they benefit from the glutamate stimulating and AMPA upregulating effects of Aniracetam long term? It definitely helps short term, but what about prolonged use effects? Thanks

Edited by bobmann, 04 March 2010 - 01:41 AM.

[SuperjackDid_]

The effects of piracetam and its novel peptide analogue GVS-111 on neuronal voltage-gated calcium and potassium channels.



Should to worries anything when Piracetam involve in voltage-gated ,such as supplement Calcium,Magnesium,Potassium need ?

[SuperjackDid_]

Piracetam-induced immune thrombocytopenia

Any opinions ?

[absent minded]

i really wish they would of interviewed the 69 year old man about what types of foods he eats on a regular basis. I just found another reason why I should keep my K-2 and Zinc, and who knows what else that will augment blood platelet count... during my racetam stints.

Edited by absent minded, 04 January 2012 - 09:50 AM.

[gamesguru]

New study on piracetam from Iraq (reliability is dubious, as evidenced by single blind and the poor grammar):

Piracetam (2-Oxo-Pyrrolidone) Advance And Modulate Central Processing Reaction Time in Normal Healthy Volunteers: Randomized Experimental Study; Single Blind Clinical Trail
By Dr. Hayder M Alkuraishy , Dr. Amar H Mahdi , Dr. Ammar W Ashoor
Submitted on: 27 Feb 2012 08:33:11 PM GMT
Published on: 28 Feb 2012 05:34:09 PM GMT

Abstract
The present study was designed to show the effect of piracetam (2-Oxo-Pyrrolidone) on simple reaction time. This study involved 30 healthy volunteers which were recruited from medical college students (20 males and 10 females) .The reaction time was measured by ruler dropper test method, and by this method we can determine the nerve time, movement time &processing time. This study showed that piracetam significantly improves the processing time of reaction time, which reflects the stimulatory and enhancement effect on cognitive function and vigilance.

→ source (external link)

[CIMN]

just bumping if others might want to read.

[rebinator]

As a 4-year on-and-off again user of 'racetams, might I be forgiven for postulating that the most measurable cognitive enhancer is abstinence from alcohol (or at least strictly rationing intake)?.

The fallacy is in confusing expectation-primed (placebo) effect with measurable, repeatable structural changes in the brain. And which changes correspond to 'smarter', whatever the definition of that term is?

For myself, dream quality is far and away the strongest indicator of overall brain 'health', but such a standard is ineffably complex and seems to depend upon no combination of factors that I have been able to completely understand to date. And anectodes are useless to others, except as emotional motivators.