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#121 Qowpel

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Posted 07 June 2021 - 04:20 AM

It's not just adenovirus 36, a couple of other adenoviruses (though not all-see first article below) cause obesity in animals.  I didn't mean to say that the exact adenovirus used in the vaccine definitely causes obesity, though I understand that my poor wording may have conveyed that. Adenovirus 36 is strongly associated with obesity, I don't think it's far-fetched to think other adenoviruses might have similar but much subtler effects on metabolism, but that is just my hypothesis.   

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC4517116/

https://medium.com/m...ch-58b0e53af1df

Ah! Interesting thank you for replying. Which ones do we know do that, at the moment? Do we know which exact adenovirus is being used in the vaccine? Thank you for being so helpful, I am learning a lot and am very grateful.



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Posted 07 June 2021 - 04:27 AM

You can go down the H202 route at .1-.5 %, extremely safe imo.  Admittedly not as much evidence, older folks have been doing it decades(safety) and our white blood cells use H202 to kill viruses. The CDC absolutely says it kills the virus.

 

IMO this is the safest protocol - LINK

 

I am very skeptical of the epigenetic study.  I think recovery with a good vitamin regimen is key.  What all were the people doing to recover in the study? Resveratrol, callogen, omega3s, Spermidine, NAD+ etc.

Most people arent taking care of themselves like you sound to be doing.

I am not sure what to think about the study. Would you like a link to it? I can go find it. At any rate the study mentions it does this through the shortening of telomeres. Unfortunately once the telomere (as I am sure you know, I am not talking down to you or anything) is shortened, you cannot really reverse it. Worse than that, if choosing a prophylactic protocol, I would have to take it indefinetely, which is a no go because I do extended fasts often, and one cannot be taking substances during them since the autophagy effect will be dampened.  Plus of course the other problem is perhaps this epigenetic shortening of telomeres occurs even in asymptomatics, meaning if that is the case, then I would have to not rely on looking for symptoms before attacking with various substances to fight the infection. I would always have to avoid infection by having my body under the influence of constant prophylactics because I cannot even tell if I am infected due to asymptomatic infections or presymptomatic ones. I just feel uneasy about prohylactically consistently using h202, ivermectin, etc, for very long periods of time.... At any rate i guess there is no easy answer here, but your input regarding use of prophylactics is sound, but it also calls for using them indefinetely and I do not know what risks or inconveniences that introduces as well.



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Posted 07 June 2021 - 04:29 AM

Does the dose make the poison? (Paracelsus).  From what I understand, the adenovirus used in the J&J is not capable of replication.  So would the small, localized "infection" produce the same obesity effect as a massive systemic adenovirus infection?  

 

Similarly, regarding inflammatory damage from the spike proteins generated by either vaccine format...  Does the amount of spike protein produced come anywhere near to approaching that of a natural full blown SARS-Cov-2 infection?  

 

Are we mistakenly thinking because we know hurricanes are bad, thunderstorms are also, always bad?  

This is a fantastic question. I indeed will be staying tuned for an answer.


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Posted 07 June 2021 - 05:31 AM

Well, tried to quote a post from the which vaccine thread here, & it wound up at the end of the which vaccine thread.  Bottom line...  I've heard a lot of concerns from a lot of sources regarding the COVID jabs, but the mRNA vaccines have dominated the conversations regarding dangerous unknowns.  

 

The totality of concerns with the mRNA format spook me much more than the potential obesity issue with attenuated adenovirus vector jabs.  The second shot immune-inflammatory storm associated with mRNA jabs seals the deal.  What exactly is going on with the often substantial side effects associated with the second mRNA jab?  I had no side effects at all with my one-and-done J&J.  

 

If you go with the single mRNA jab, you won't be fully vaccinated in the eyes of those issuing vaccine passports, so you might as well figure on getting both jabs if you go with the mRNA format.  Resistance is futile...  You will be vaccinated!  



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Posted 07 June 2021 - 05:51 AM

Well, tried to quote a post from the which vaccine thread here, & it wound up at the end of the which vaccine thread.  Bottom line...  I've heard a lot of concerns from a lot of sources regarding the COVID jabs, but the mRNA vaccines have dominated the conversations regarding dangerous unknowns.  

 

The totality of concerns with the mRNA format spook me much more than the potential obesity issue with attenuated adenovirus vector jabs.  The second shot immune-inflammatory storm associated with mRNA jabs seals the deal.  What exactly is going on with the often substantial side effects associated with the second mRNA jab?  I had no side effects at all with my one-and-done J&J.  

 

If you go with the single mRNA jab, you won't be fully vaccinated in the eyes of those issuing vaccine passports, so you might as well figure on getting both jabs if you go with the mRNA format.  Resistance is futile...  You will be vaccinated!  

SKYNET! RESITSANCE is futile sirs!. Lol yes you are right. I am now catapulting myself into research on how adenoviruses cause obesity. Seems they have an effect not just on PPAR but glucose uptake. If they effect glucose uptake, then higher blood sugar Definetely would effect longevity pathways. Oh well let's not make any conclusions just yet. https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC4517116/

 

This part from that link stands out though 

 

8. Proof-of-Concept of a Vaccine Using UV Inactivated Adv36
Adv36 infection is characterized by greater adiposity and inflammation. To investigate the possibility that a candidate prophylactic vaccine could protect Adv36-induced obesity and inflammation an inactivated Adv36 vaccine was tested [37]. Mice were inoculated with live Adv36, UV-inactivated Adv36, or with medium alone. Live Adv36 increased the size of the epididymal fat pad at four days post-inoculation, whereas UV-inactivated Adv36 prevented it. In another study, mice were immunized with purified and ultraviolet-irradiated virus as candidate vaccine, live Adv36 was injected into mice as a challenge test. Unvaccinated mice (control group) were immunized with phosphate-buffered saline and then challenged with live Adv36. The control group showed 17% greater body weight and 20% more epididymal fats compared with the vaccinated group. Moreover, the vaccinated group had decreased serum levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and infiltrated immune cells in fat tissue [93]. Therefore, the vaccine was able to protect against Adv36-increased body weight and fat as well as inflammatory states after challenge. These results could provide proof-of-concept for prophylactic vaccination against virus-induced adiposity [94].

 

Hmm... is the J&J inactivated adenovirus as well?


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Posted 07 June 2021 - 06:11 AM

COVID-19 VACCINATION & DUCHENNE: UNDERSTANDING THE NEW ADENOVIRUS-BASED VACCINE (JANSSEN/J&J)

 

https://www.parentpr...e-is-different/

 

Janssen’s COVID-19 vaccine uses a type of adenovirus, specifically adenovirus type 26 (Ad26), to deliver a piece of the DNA that is used to make the distinctive “spike” protein seen in SARS-CoV-2. Adenoviruses are relatively common and can cause a variety of mild illnesses in humans. However, Ad26, which typically causes the common cold and pink eye, is modified so that it cannot replicate nor cause illness, and instead transports the necessary genetic material into the body, prompting it to create the spike protein and generate an immune response against COVID-19.

 

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Bottom Line...  Has the type 26 adenovirus ever been associated with the obesity issue?  Is it a generic issue with ALL adenovirus?  



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Posted 07 June 2021 - 06:25 AM

COVID-19 VACCINATION & DUCHENNE: UNDERSTANDING THE NEW ADENOVIRUS-BASED VACCINE (JANSSEN/J&J)

 

https://www.parentpr...e-is-different/

 

Janssen’s COVID-19 vaccine uses a type of adenovirus, specifically adenovirus type 26 (Ad26), to deliver a piece of the DNA that is used to make the distinctive “spike” protein seen in SARS-CoV-2. Adenoviruses are relatively common and can cause a variety of mild illnesses in humans. However, Ad26, which typically causes the common cold and pink eye, is modified so that it cannot replicate nor cause illness, and instead transports the necessary genetic material into the body, prompting it to create the spike protein and generate an immune response against COVID-19.

 

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Bottom Line...  Has the type 26 adenovirus ever been associated with the obesity issue?  Is it a generic issue with ALL adenovirus?  

Oh interesting! Well I guess I shall be researching that one super hard for the next few days!


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Posted 07 June 2021 - 02:08 PM

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Posted 10 June 2021 - 03:15 PM

Everything he says about SPIKE getting into the bloodstream and the some of the vaccine getting into other tissue is not surprising and to be expected, they have discussed this on TWIV. But at the end of day is there an epidemic of people suffering complications from the mRNA vaccines?   The data don't bear that out.  

 

Once again, youtube censors information relating to an official Pfizer document that was released to the Japanese.  - original interviewdiscussion article

 

The data does bear it out, as Steve Kirsch mentions, covid vaccine related deaths are 100x more than flu vaccines(handy chart in the article, page down once) along with numerous hospitalizations.   Steve is very pro vaccine as are others, but there is concern with the way these were done.

The death rate from this vaccine is off the charts, more than all 70 vaccines over the past 30 years combined

 

This twitter user is staying on top of it - https://twitter.com/dankdly111/

 

Bridle discusses the Japanese paper a little more in this video - LINK

 

More discussion here at the 24 minute mark of this youtube video, while it lasts


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Posted 11 June 2021 - 06:55 AM

Once again, youtube censors information relating to an official Pfizer document that was released to the Japanese.  - original interviewdiscussion article

 

The data does bear it out, as Steve Kirsch mentions, covid vaccine related deaths are 100x more than flu vaccines(handy chart in the article, page down once) along with numerous hospitalizations.   Steve is very pro vaccine as are others, but there is concern with the way these were done.

 

 

 

 

 

There is not an epidemic of people dying from the COVID vaccines. 

 

https://www.factchec...d-flu-vaccines/


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Posted 11 June 2021 - 03:11 PM

Once again, youtube censors information relating to an official Pfizer document that was released to the Japanese.  -

 

The data does bear it out, as Steve Kirsch mentions, covid vaccine related deaths are 100x more than flu vaccines(handy chart in the article, page down once) along with numerous hospitalizations.   Steve is very pro vaccine as are others, but there is concern with the way these were done.

 

 

Bridle discusses the Japanese paper a little more in this video -

 

More discussion here at the 24 minute mark of this youtube video, while it lasts

 

 

Social media AI algorithms feed people what they are tantalized by most. That does not mean what they are feeding you is real. People end up going down rabbit holes like Qanon etc. There is so much misinformation and conspiracy crap going around it makes it difficult to know what the truth is.  There is a good podcast that delves into this phenomenon:

 

https://podcasts.app...le/id1507423923

 

With the pandemic you have all kinds of misinformation and manipulation of numbers and stats to reinforce peoples fears and feed into their political identity. Don't believe everything these people are spewing. You can look at the stats at the  Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) site. 

 

https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

 

Regarding death, if people are croaking from these vaccines we would hear about it more. We might know someone who died in our circle or might have an acquaintance who knows someone who died  (No one I know has had any bad effects from the mRNA vaccines). If you look at the VAERS site 3,735 people have died after receiving the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. That seems like a big number but over 170 million folks have been vaccinated.  When you have a population of 170 million, no mater what you do do them, feed them Kellogg's cereal or whatever, some will die. 

 

These vaccines are stopping people from dying. They are saving lives. Just because internet AI is sending you to fringe charlatans who claim otherwise doesn't make it so. It makes it, dare I say "dangerous and irresponsible"

 

https://byrambridle.com/


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#132 Gal220

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Posted 11 June 2021 - 06:36 PM

Regarding death, if people are croaking from these vaccines we would hear about it more. We might know someone who died in our circle or might have an acquaintance who knows someone who died  (No one I know has had any bad effects from the mRNA vaccines). If you look at the VAERS site 3,735 people have died after receiving the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines. That seems like a big number but over 170 million folks have been vaccinated.  When you have a population of 170 million, no mater what you do do them, feed them Kellogg's cereal or whatever, some will die. 

 

These vaccines are stopping people from dying. They are saving lives. Just because internet AI is sending you to fringe charlatans who claim otherwise doesn't make it so. It makes it, dare I say "dangerous and irresponsible"

 

https://byrambridle.com/

 

No you wouldnt hear more about it.  Doing searches on google vs yandex will quickly show you that.

 

If people prefer the vaccine to ivermectin, im all for people being able to choose.  But they should know as the VAERs and EUDRA system clearly show, there is a risk, greater than all the other vaccines combined.  And not just this year, the last 20+ years combined. - LINK(page down 1 time)

 

The graph doesnt lie, but if you want to see the individual cases, Kirsch linked to a telegram group thats covering them - LINK

 

Canada was expecting around 1 in a million cases of blood clots for the AZ shot, they were surprised it was 1 in 50k.   


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Posted 11 June 2021 - 06:39 PM

Bret Weinstein talks to Robert Malone (RNA vaccine inventor) and Steve Kirsch (Covid-19 Early Treatment Fund) about the pandemic, treatment, and the COVID vaccines.

(www.youtube.com)

Hair on fire about current vaccines, Malone strongest.  Kirsch is kind of a jackass, not tracking the line of conversation – doesn’t mean he’s erroneous. 


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Posted 11 June 2021 - 09:01 PM

No you wouldnt hear more about it.  Doing searches on google vs yandex will quickly show you that.

 

If people prefer the vaccine to ivermectin, im all for people being able to choose.  But they should know as the VAERs and EUDRA system clearly show, there is a risk, greater than all the other vaccines combined.  And not just this year, the last 20+ years combined. - LINK(page down 1 time)

 

The graph doesnt lie, but if you want to see the individual cases, Kirsch linked to a telegram group thats covering them - LINK

 

Canada was expecting around 1 in a million cases of blood clots for the AZ shot, they were surprised it was 1 in 50k.   

 

 

I don't buy it. Yes around 4,000 have died since getting the vaccine. But that does not mean they died because of the vaccine. Why is that simple concept so difficult to grasp? If you take 170 million people and feed them fruit loops, some will die. Of other causes. People die every day. I believe more cases of death are being reported in VAERS because in the past if someone got a flu shot and died in the subsequent month it was less likely to be reported. VAERS has disclaimers about the completeness of the database and about using it for these kinds of comparisons.

 

If people were not vaccinated for COVID many more people would die, many more would needlessly suffer. Just because Russian Google or whatever feeds you data that reinforces your view doesn't make it so. Fact is if people didn't get vaccinated many would die. Many would get sick and needlessly suffer. Just because Tucker Carlson or Margery Taylor Greene of some fringe MD or some soap opera star says vaccines are bad doesn't make it so. 


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Posted 11 June 2021 - 11:14 PM

Weinstein, Malone, Kirsch youtube

150,000 views since yesterday

In comments, Kirsch apologizes for his boorish personality

 

Bret Weinstein hot on solutions 3:00:00

 

runaway extended regulatory capture…our economic and political system…can allow you to evaporate trillions of dollars of wealth in pursuit of billions of dollars of wealth, and that is what is happening here….It’s not just wealth…a huge amount of death and suffering.  That’s a hell of a lot to lose so that an entity or a set of entities can make 5 or 10 billion dollars…

 

Weinstein proposes global public buyout of big pharma, pay them all off now, so that cheap therapeutics can be released now and won’t be blocked in future pandemics!   Maybe Elon Musk can organize this before colonizing Mars, he suggested.


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Posted 12 June 2021 - 02:57 AM

 

 

 

Weinstein proposes global public buyout of big pharma, pay them all off now, so that cheap therapeutics can be released now and won’t be blocked in future pandemics!   Maybe Elon Musk can organize this before colonizing Mars, he suggested.

 

I've done some work related to startups and investing in Biotech.

 

Here is my take:

 

1) Companies will invest more energy on drugs they own the patents to, at the expense of off-patent cheap therapeutics. Why not fund a well run big University study to test the efficacy of these drugs? 

 

2) Truth is most of the money invested in Biotech and Pharma is not effectively spent. Due diligence in biotech startup investment is surprisingly un-rigorous. Money and energy could be channeled into unsexy practical ideas like making  cheap therapeutics that can be released now and won’t be blocked in future pandemics.   


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Posted 12 June 2021 - 04:53 AM

Bret Weinstein talks to Robert Malone (RNA vaccine inventor) and Steve Kirsch (Covid-19 Early Treatment Fund) about the pandemic, treatment, and the COVID vaccines.

(www.youtube.com)

Hair on fire about current vaccines, Malone strongest.  Kirsch is kind of a jackass, not tracking the line of conversation – doesn’t mean he’s erroneous. 

 

3:00 - Concern by all the censorship
 
8:00 - Steve Kirsch article discussion, red pill - LINK
 
11:20 - What started Kirsch on the road to discovery
 
15:30 - There was an attempt to engineer the spike protein to stay stuck, doesnt happen.
 
18:45 - Victims cannot tell story
 
VERY DISTURBING
20:15 - Unusual miscarriage occurs - Kirsch thinks its brain washing, Malone believes its group think. BUT is the truth our doctors have sold out pregnant women for their careers?
 
26:15 - Corners were cut
 
28:00 - Kirsch found serious adverse events among doctors, paramedics, and surveys.
 
SIGNAL - needs to be explained
30:34 - Chart of past reports in VAERs, huge spike in 2021.
 
34:44 -FDA had the latitude to require more data capture with these vaccines, and chose not too..
 
RISK BENEFIT ANALYSIS
38:00 - 44:00 - Done for different age groups. Includes alternatives or should..smear campaign.
 
45:42 - List of 3 anomalies -1st dont capture extra hazard data.. 2nd give to people with no benefit.. 3rd dont administer safe drugs
 
2:22-23 - FDA noticing 2 new signals - platelets and reactivation old viruses
 
2:24-25 - Ovarian info, this information has been known for a while, internally..
 
2:25 - auto immune issues
 
2:45-46 - Reproductive discussion, scary.
 
Video over 3 hours, suffers same problems as Kirsch's article. Good information, just needs condensed/better organized.

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Posted 14 June 2021 - 02:54 AM

First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 - LINK
 


-We report on a patient with a single dose of vaccine against SARS-CoV-2.
-He developed relevant serum titer levels but died 4 weeks later.
-By postmortem molecular mapping, we found viral RNA in nearly all organs examined.
-However, we did not observe any characteristic morphological features of COVID-19.
-Immunogenicity might be elicited, while sterile immunity was not established.

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Posted 15 June 2021 - 06:28 AM

I wike it how quickly you went from Putin's propaganda to not questioning the safety!

 

But what makes you so certain that vaccines developed in the west are superior? You mean because they are based on the latest technology?

 

I agree with you and say that that's exactly the problem. We do not know the long-term effects:

 

a) Where do lipid particles go and for how long they linger?

 

b) The linear DNA contaminants are really scary! 

 

c) It's concerning that the initial trials were done with specially produced "super-clean" vaccines, an expensive process that had to be compromised when it came to mass-production.

 

 

In contrast, Sputnik is based on the old, well known and used throughout many decades technology. Its only "novelty" is that human adenoviruses were genetically modified to produce sars-cov2 proteins -- while all the rest, from what side effects to expect to how to mass produce it, is same old same old.

 

 

Maybe 5-10 years from now it will turn out that indeed Pfizer and ModeRNA vaccines are superior in some way. But with info available now, given the choice, I'd go for Sputnik, for now.

I would go with the Sputnik but it iss not available for me here in the States. What do you think of the J&J?


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Posted 15 June 2021 - 02:00 PM

I would go with the Sputnik but it iss not available for me here in the States. What do you think of the J&J?

 

 

if you're asking me, now that I've learned more about the inflammatory nature of the spike protein -- and it appears all the current vaccines, including Sputnik, induce its production -- at the moment I prefer to sit and wait. 

 

In Russia, there is also huge "vaccine hesitancy" and now the authorities organize various incentives (including lottery for an apartment on outskirts of Moscow) -- but I have not heard rumors about people dropping dead  (in Russia, at the moment, there are 4 different vaccines available, all Russian-made).

 

But I don't know if the lack of rumors is a sign that the vaccines are safe -- or that such discussions are censored like in the US -?

 

The only person I know well, who took Sputnik, had no issues. This is compared with 4 people in the US (2 Phizer and 2 Moderna). Of these, 1 had absolutely no issues (male, Phizer) while the 3 women had various consequences and in 2 of them they seem severe and still ongoing.

 

Their symptoms are in line with the hypothesis that the spike protein can aggravate the inflammatory issues that can be present -- even if normally kept under the lid. The oldest woman who took Moderna 2-3 months ago, had painful arthritis in her hands for 6-8 weeks afterwards, which has subsided by now. The other 2 were vaccinated in Apr-May and I expect them tol recover in a month or so.


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Posted 15 June 2021 - 03:11 PM

Novavax should be arriving before too long.  A bit confusing regarding the spike protein, but it appears they pull the proteins out of it rather than the vaccine inducing production of the spike in your cells.  

 

https://ir.novavax.c...cacy-uk-phase-3

 

"NVX-CoV2373 contains a full-length, prefusion spike protein made using Novavax’ recombinant nanoparticle technology and the company’s proprietary saponin-based Matrix-M™ adjuvant. The purified protein is encoded by the genetic sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein and is produced in insect cells"

 

I've been watching Novavax, & like what I've seen so far.  Will be getting this for a booster if I need one.  


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Posted 15 June 2021 - 05:41 PM

Earlier I said the Peter McCullough’s interview was powerful, but upon reexamination I think it lacks credibility. He starts off reasonably about early treatment and escalates into ever more bold claims about vaccination, climaxing with the mark of the beast:  “This is what globalists have been waiting for, they’ve been waiting for a way of marking people, that you get in a vaccine, you’re marked in a database and this can be used for trade, for commerce, for behavior modification, all different purposes.”   That’s not what caused Covid-19, and Big Tech and IC already have us fully marked.

Criticism of McCullough

 

Also, I admired Steve Kirsch for his struggle to promote early treatment.  However, his interview with Bret Weinstein and his rolling op-ed at trialsitenews were bullying and exaggerated, in contrast to his rational and reasonable tone last year. Here is some pushback from Yuri Deigin, one of the two main figures in DRASTIC (lab leak a live possibility). 

Ovaries data exaggerated.

Vaccination more net benefit than IVM prophylaxis

 

I wouldn’t want to live in a society of gullible citizens:  Trust the authorities!  In my long life in our open, democratic society, I’ve been subjected to, and sometimes fallen for, gross corruption and fraud by the authorities.  The Vietnam War was extended for years after national security analysts had concluded it was unwinnable.  Fat is bad for you, eat carbs.  Weapons of mass destruction.  Russia, Russia, Russia.  With work, we could list 100 items. The always available hive of conformist dupes unwittingly bolster the frauds.  Conformist dupes should be denounced as much as fringe theorists, maybe more. 

 

The Fauci-Farrar-Daszak suppression of the lab-leak hypothesis; the suppression of early treatment options by application of higher standards of evidence for repurposed drugs and lower standards for social interventions, vaccines, and new drugs; ­­­was maddening.  Those conspicuous manipulations lowered the credibility of public health authorities and raised the level of suspicion among attentive audiences (and raised the suspicions of the already suspicious even more).   You could measure this, for example, by analyzing the tone and content of Kirsch’s writings over a 16-month period.   Now he is maddened with rage about preventable deaths and automatically assumes the worst about health authorities (in contrast, Kory remains cautious, and charitable to those whose positions he challenges).  I recognize Kirsch’s malady because decades ago when I struggled at a petty level with corrupt and gaslighting federal authorities I ended up temporarily with the same barking-dog persona. 

 

It’s true that after a mass vaccination many will die, because they would have died anyway in the absence of the vaccine.  But at this point I have no good reason to trust any claim made by the Pharma-Fauci-Farrar-Tedros axis.  I will keep an open mind about the hazards.  Maybe an experimental vaccine is not advisable in lower-risk youth, for example.  

 

Good news, looks like Novavax vaccine is on its way to approval.


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Posted 16 June 2021 - 04:31 AM

if you're asking me, now that I've learned more about the inflammatory nature of the spike protein -- and it appears all the current vaccines, including Sputnik, induce its production -- at the moment I prefer to sit and wait. 

 

In Russia, there is also huge "vaccine hesitancy" and now the authorities organize various incentives (including lottery for an apartment on outskirts of Moscow) -- but I have not heard rumors about people dropping dead  (in Russia, at the moment, there are 4 different vaccines available, all Russian-made).

 

But I don't know if the lack of rumors is a sign that the vaccines are safe -- or that such discussions are censored like in the US -?

 

The only person I know well, who took Sputnik, had no issues. This is compared with 4 people in the US (2 Phizer and 2 Moderna). Of these, 1 had absolutely no issues (male, Phizer) while the 3 women had various consequences and in 2 of them they seem severe and still ongoing.

 

Their symptoms are in line with the hypothesis that the spike protein can aggravate the inflammatory issues that can be present -- even if normally kept under the lid. The oldest woman who took Moderna 2-3 months ago, had painful arthritis in her hands for 6-8 weeks afterwards, which has subsided by now. The other 2 were vaccinated in Apr-May and I expect them tol recover in a month or so.

 

Honestly there was an article from some chemist who said that he would reccomend taking n acetyl cystein and vitamin D in the time before and after taking the J&J vaccine. I like the J&J because it does not have lipid nanoparticles that just sit around for months from Pfizer and Moderna. In addition, as far as I know it seems the short term inflammation, can be dealt with using anti inflammatory substances so I am not too worried on that front. But if the Novavax seems even better I can wait.


Novavax should be arriving before too long.  A bit confusing regarding the spike protein, but it appears they pull the proteins out of it rather than the vaccine inducing production of the spike in your cells.  

 

https://ir.novavax.c...cacy-uk-phase-3

 

"NVX-CoV2373 contains a full-length, prefusion spike protein made using Novavax’ recombinant nanoparticle technology and the company’s proprietary saponin-based Matrix-M™ adjuvant. The purified protein is encoded by the genetic sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein and is produced in insect cells"

 

I've been watching Novavax, & like what I've seen so far.  Will be getting this for a booster if I need one.  

 

I was gonna get J&J in a couple weeks. Since you and I have talked about this so much, even though J&J seems a better choice than the mRNA vaccines, do you feel more optimistic about Novavax in comparison to the J&J?


Novavax should be arriving before too long.  A bit confusing regarding the spike protein, but it appears they pull the proteins out of it rather than the vaccine inducing production of the spike in your cells.  

 

https://ir.novavax.c...cacy-uk-phase-3

 

"NVX-CoV2373 contains a full-length, prefusion spike protein made using Novavax’ recombinant nanoparticle technology and the company’s proprietary saponin-based Matrix-M™ adjuvant. The purified protein is encoded by the genetic sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 spike (S) protein and is produced in insect cells"

 

I've been watching Novavax, & like what I've seen so far.  Will be getting this for a booster if I need one.  

Are those nanoparticles in the Novavax similar to those potentially harmful lipid nanoparticles found in the mRNA vaccines?



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Posted 16 June 2021 - 05:31 AM

I took both vaccines from Pfizer. Not much reaction for me and my wife, both 71.

 

We got both by early March. I have seen enough other reactions that I don't want to take a booster in the fall.

 

This is not a conspiracy theory. People are having many more adverse  reactions than people did with the swine flu vaccine in the 70's. They stopped them.

Why are they not stopping this one? 

 

Need an answer to that, before I take a booster.


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Posted 16 June 2021 - 01:18 PM

Honestly there was an article from some chemist who said that he would reccomend taking n acetyl cystein and vitamin D in the time before and after taking the J&J vaccine. I like the J&J because it does not have lipid nanoparticles that just sit around for months from Pfizer and Moderna. In addition, as far as I know it seems the short term inflammation, can be dealt with using anti inflammatory substances so I am not too worried on that front. But if the Novavax seems even better I can wait.


 

I was gonna get J&J in a couple weeks. Since you and I have talked about this so much, even though J&J seems a better choice than the mRNA vaccines, do you feel more optimistic about Novavax in comparison to the J&J?


Are those nanoparticles in the Novavax similar to those potentially harmful lipid nanoparticles found in the mRNA vaccines?

 

I haven't dug all that deeply into the weeds with Novavax, but anything that might offer protection without actually generating spike proteins  would be more desirable than the mRNA jabs (my humble opinion).  COVID seem to have taken a Summer vacation here in the states, so perhaps time is on your side for now.  I'd like to wait until they've done a few million jabs with any new vaccine, to see if there are any unexpected adverse events, but this said, I would not feel too good about delaying too long.  



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Posted 16 June 2021 - 04:08 PM

Earlier I said the Peter McCullough’s interview was powerful, but upon reexamination I think it lacks credibility. He starts off reasonably about early treatment and escalates into ever more bold claims about vaccination, climaxing with the mark of the beast:  “This is what globalists have been waiting for, they’ve been waiting for a way of marking people, that you get in a vaccine, you’re marked in a database and this can be used for trade, for commerce, for behavior modification, all different purposes.”   That’s not what caused Covid-19, and Big Tech and IC already have us fully marked.

Criticism of McCullough

 

Also, I admired Steve Kirsch for his struggle to promote early treatment.  However, his interview with Bret Weinstein and his rolling op-ed at trialsitenews were bullying and exaggerated, in contrast to his rational and reasonable tone last year. Here is some pushback from Yuri Deigin, one of the two main figures in DRASTIC (lab leak a live possibility). 

Ovaries data exaggerated.

Vaccination more net benefit than IVM prophylaxis

 

Good news, looks like Novavax vaccine is on its way to approval.

 

This comes down to data, the data out there in VAERs shows 100x death reports than the flu vaccine, as well as many other complications.  This same data is shown to be 2-3x as bad in the EU database, so its not just one source.  McCullough says CDC whistleblowers have the real death count at roughly 50,000 which I was guessing in that range as well since the under reporting is well known.  

 

As McCullough said in his Senate testimony, before he knew the extent of the vaccine harm, he was only recommending the vax for those over 50.  Those are the people dying(96%).  And this really needs to be looked at by age and sex.  Women experience 70% more adverse reactions than men(EU database and ZOE app data confirm).  Men under 30 have much higher chance for heart inflammation, but are in lightning strike territory for covid death.

 

I dont like IVM for prevention either, I would wait for symptoms.  Keep your vitamin D up, quercetin/bromelain, and a mushroom extract.

 

Similiar to Kirsch and McCullough, Tess Laurie has done an evaluation of the Yellow Card system of late. - LINK

Kirsch is also big on Novavax , premature IMO.  But hopefully it works out better.

 

I didnt read the criticism of McCullough, Ive picked out a few things from him that I think are off, but found most of what he as said useful.  IN PARTICULAR, the NIH threw out their drug program last May(2020) as soon as a vaccine was determined to be workable.  This really needs to be fully investigated, along with the HCQ coverup.  HCQ isnt as good as IVM, but it probably could have stopped the lockdown and saved numerous lives - https://c19hcq.com/


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Posted 16 June 2021 - 08:12 PM

"Maybe an experimental vaccine is not advisable in lower-risk youth, for example."

 

I would extend this up to 50, but Bridle just released his own criticisms of the vaccines with a focus on youth - LINK

 

Some other resources on their website for those interested - LINK

 

 

Will be interesting to see if the blood vampires change their protocol, Bridle recommends 4-5 weeks to donate after vaccination.  At the very least it should be a week.

Nothing like being in critical condition and going into anaphylactic shock from lipid nano particles.

 

Not sure what it takes to test blood for these lipid nano particles, but one really has to wonder why it has taken this long to find out they remain in the blood for 2 days according to Pfizer.

The spike protein duration is up to a month if you immunity fails to engage and wipe them out.

Basic information we should know tells you how sloppy this roll out has been.


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Posted 16 June 2021 - 09:35 PM

According to this report https://noqreport.co...-from-vaccines/
The jabs spike protein doesn’t break down like the one from natural infection. There is a presumption there it was designed that way but that seems a horrible mistake (to be generous) or quite nefarious. I usually vote incompetency before conspiracy
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Posted 17 June 2021 - 05:02 AM

I haven't dug all that deeply into the weeds with Novavax, but anything that might offer protection without actually generating spike proteins  would be more desirable than the mRNA jabs (my humble opinion).  COVID seem to have taken a Summer vacation here in the states, so perhaps time is on your side for now.  I'd like to wait until they've done a few million jabs with any new vaccine, to see if there are any unexpected adverse events, but this said, I would not feel too good about delaying too long.  

well in that case I will never get the mRNA jab. If I am not mistaken though, doesn't the J&J generate a spike protein like the mRNA ones?



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Posted 17 June 2021 - 05:05 AM

According to this report https://noqreport.co...-from-vaccines/
The jabs spike protein doesn’t break down like the one from natural infection. There is a presumption there it was designed that way but that seems a horrible mistake (to be generous) or quite nefarious. I usually vote incompetency before conspiracy

Does this apply to mRNA (pfizer, moderna) ONLY?

 

Or does it ALSO apply to J&J?


"Maybe an experimental vaccine is not advisable in lower-risk youth, for example."

 

I would extend this up to 50, but Bridle just released his own criticisms of the vaccines with a focus on youth - LINK

 

Some other resources on their website for those interested - LINK

 

 

Will be interesting to see if the blood vampires change their protocol, Bridle recommends 4-5 weeks to donate after vaccination.  At the very least it should be a week.

Nothing like being in critical condition and going into anaphylactic shock from lipid nano particles.

 

Not sure what it takes to test blood for these lipid nano particles, but one really has to wonder why it has taken this long to find out they remain in the blood for 2 days according to Pfizer.

The spike protein duration is up to a month if you immunity fails to engage and wipe them out.

Basic information we should know tells you how sloppy this roll out has been.

So we can conclude the safest (yet not neccesarily safe) vaccine option at this point available in the US is the J&J? Since it lacks these lipid nanoparticles. Some of this gets very confusing







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