Unfortunately your vaccination decisions have wider impacts to the rest of society. Your failure to vaccinate can lead to the death or injury of others. So whether you like it or not, it's not just your body which is involved, it's also other people's bodies.[/size]
There is no scientific bases for this argument.
I don't think you fully understand infectious diseases and vaccination programs.
Vaccines are not just to protect you, they also prevent you transmitting the infection to others. And likewise, vaccines stop others from transmitting the infection to you. I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine, in other words.
Moreover, vaccination programs prevent outbreak of epidemics, but only if a sufficient percentage people take the vaccine.
This is stuff you should know before you engage in these sort of discussions.
The reason I refuse vaccination, in general (not just covid) is because of 1) Mercury poisoning and, 2) autoimmunity conditions that are largely due to vaccination. I have serious medical issues in my childhood that, in retrospect, were caused by Mercury poisoning, mostly from medical sources, including vaccines and allergy shots.
Maybe you have been reading junk alternative health websites like mercola.com or naturalnews.com if you think mercury is the villain.
Dentists breathe in mercury vapor all day long as they drill out old fillings, but do not have a higher prevalence of autoimmune diseases.
Mercury might perhaps be a risk factor for autoimmunity, but some websites portray mercury as evil incarnate, which is totally over the top.
Freedom of speech has allowed junk websites to proliferate online, which are misinforming billions of people. That's the trouble with freedom of speech: it has many good points, but ever since the advent of the Internet, it has led to an epidemic of misinformation that most people do not have the time, resources or education to handle.
I believe the huge increase autoimmune conditions, particularly in young people, that we have seen over the past 20 years is also due to too many vaccines. I believe most of this is due to adjuvants.
A possible link between autoimmune diseases and vaccinations has been long speculated, but not much evidence available to demonstrate a link. It's not beyond the realms of possibility, though, that vaccines might sometimes trigger autoimmunity. Possibly it is the adjuvants (the immune stimulants) added to vaccines which do this.
Mercury by the way is NOT an adjuvant, even though some anti-vaxxers state that it is. Mercury was added to vaccines as it is a good antibacterial preservative, but it does not stimulate the immune response like an adjuvant.
You need an adjuvant to stimulate the immune response, otherwise a vaccine will not "take".
If you are looking for the cause of autoimmunity, the smart money is on a link between viral and bacterial infections and autoimmunity.
For example, the autoimmune condition of multiple sclerosis (MS) is strongly linked to Epstein-Barr virus, and many researchers believe that once we have eradicated EBV, MS will disappear. Unfortunately making a vaccine which is effective against EBV is a very hard challenge; people have been trying for decades. So sadly EBV will be with us for some decades still. EBV also causes some cancers, and a few other diseases, like chronic fatigue syndrome, so it is a virus we definitely want eradicated.
The virus coxsackievirus B4 is linked to triggering the autoimmune condition of type 1 diabetes. I have chronic fatigue syndrome triggered by coxsackievirus B4, and when a family member caught this virus from me, sadly he was hit with T1D.
In your tirade against vaccines, what you do not realize is that most chronic diseases and cancers are linked to infectious pathogens. The factors which most reduce lifespan and healthspan are likely the infectious pathogens that we are constantly picking up throughout our lives.
Humanity thus has a chance of living disease-free if we manage to eradicate all these disease-causing pathogens from general circulation. But we need vaccines to eradicate them. Once they are eradicated, vaccines will no longer be necessary.
Your own health issues as a child may well have been due to catching a nasty pathogen which remained in your body causing long-term issues.
Pathogens are very insidious, because when we catch them, we might just think we caught a bad cold or fever. But that bad cold may instead have been a nasty disease-causing virus or bacterium entering your body, and then remaining in your body for life. Most viruses and bacteria once caught cannot be eradicated from the body, so they become permanent residents in your tissues. Often the disease a pathogen causes may not appear for years or even decades, long after you have forgotten about that fever episode you had where you caught the pathogen.
The thing is that, unless you are obese or old, that it does not make sense to take the covid-19 vaccines.
It makes sense to take the vaccine if you have ethics, and care about others. It may not make as much sense if you are one of the "me, me, me" generation who only think about themselves.
But even if you are "me, me, me" oriented, encouraging everyone to get vaccinated will help return society to normal, which is in everyone's interests.
We are all life extensionists in here. I assume that's why all of you are here in these forums. As such, you are advocating for or even trying stuff that the existing medical establishments and existing social institutions have declared to be impossible.
I don't think that is the case. Many people are on this forum because they have physical health problems or mental health problems, looking for interesting experimental ways of treating their illnesses. That is why I am here.
As for longevity, as I have said elsewhere on this forum, longevity enthusiasts are all barking up the wrong tree. In future I suspect we will realize that most ill health comes from infectious pathogens, and to a lesser degree, from certain environmental toxins.
Yet most longevity enthusiasts are oblivious to the large area of research linking chronic disease and cancer to infectious pathogens.
If you believe in having the longest healthspan that you can, you may be advised to reduce the number of amorous relations you have, since every time you kiss someone new, there is a good chance you will acquire a new pathogen which will then live long term in your body tissues.
Until now, in this threat. It is simply outrageous that anyone in this forum or outside this forum, who does not know me personally, to "second guess" my private medical choices or to question my right to make them as purely a private decision. This is both unreasonable and complete outrageous conduct. This mentality has no place in a forum such as this. Its perfectly fine to discuss the political issues surrounding Covid-19 and its various treatments. It is entirely unacceptable to question the right of any forum member to make the purely private informed decision about what medical treatments to pursue.
I think it is far more outrageous that the anti-vaxxers encourage the killing of others. In the context of the coronavirus pandemic, taking an anti-vax stance is tantamount to murdering people.
And taking an anti-lockdown stance is just as bad.
Nobody has mandated the coronavirus vaccine; you have the freedom to take it or not.
Yet the anti-vaxxers are still going around fear-mongering, putting people off taking the vaccine, which results in thousands dying of COVID-19 unnecessarily.
And actually, if the anti-vaxxers were to succeed in frightening people away from taking the coronavirus vaccine, then this vaccine likely would be mandated, which would then defeat the object of the anti-vaxxers in the first place. This is how short-sighted the anti-vax movement is: their actions may actually lead to a vaccine mandate to replace the present voluntary system.
Edited by Hip, 12 April 2021 - 02:24 AM.
