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N-Acetylcysteine now is a drug, not a supplement, in the USA. Time to organize again

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#1 smithx

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Posted 29 June 2021 - 01:42 AM


Time to organize against this ruling (and more similar ones that are bound to be coming)

 

FDA Invokes the Drug Exclusion Provision with NAC over a 57 Year Old Drug

 

On July 23, 2020, FDA sent a warning letter to Purple Biosciences LLC about its NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) product.   FDA’s letter asserts that the product is illegal because NAC was approved as a drug on September 14, 1963—57 years ago!  NAC has been widely sold as a dietary supplement for many years and FDA has had many opportunities to raise concerns, but this is the first time it has raised the issue.

 

 

 

 

https://www.soperlaw...usion-provision


 

 


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Posted 29 June 2021 - 07:21 AM

speechless ... thank you for posting!

BTW, I would recommend to correct the misspell in the title, there might be an issue when searching as cystine and cysteine are different (cystine is the oxidized dimer form of the amino acid cysteine (wiki))


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Posted 29 June 2021 - 08:16 AM

We need this to blow up. How do we start fighting this


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#4 Daniel Cooper

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Posted 29 June 2021 - 05:17 PM

We need this to blow up. How do we start fighting this

 

Start by contacting your senators and congressional representatives. 


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#5 smithx

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Posted 30 June 2021 - 04:27 AM

Could a mod help to correct this typo?

 

Thanks very much!!

 

 

speechless ... thank you for posting!

BTW, I would recommend to correct the misspell in the title, there might be an issue when searching as cystine and cysteine are different (cystine is the oxidized dimer form of the amino acid cysteine (wiki))

 


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#6 Daniel Cooper

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Posted 01 July 2021 - 02:04 PM

Done.


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#7 smithx

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 05:46 AM

Done.

 

Thanks!

 

Now how do we organize against this?


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#8 pamojja

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 10:02 AM

Now how do we organize against this?

 

One really got to have deep pockets to fight FDA rulings with courts. If it wasn't possible with politcal means first.

 

But on the other hand here in Europe even Garlic extract, Red-yeast rice, Proanthocyanidins, Lactase, Cinnamon extract, etc. could be out-ruled already since long arbitrarily in the past on a per case-basis as functional medicines.

 

See this german article of wikipedia translated:

 

 

Functional medicinal products are medicinal products which, through their action, exert an influence on physiological functions. They are distinguished from presentation medicinal products, which, irrespective of their actual efficacy, are intended to cure or prevent human disease.[1] The distinction goes back to Article 1 No. 2 of the Community Code relating to medicinal products for human use.[2]
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Delimitation

Functional as well as presentation medicinal products are medicinal products in the sense of § 2 AMG and may not be distributed or advertised without a marketing authorization according to § 21 Abs. 1 AMG, § 3a Satz 1 HWG.[3][4]

Both terms play a role in product delineation and thus for marketing, because medicinal products fall under a different law than, for example, food[5] or medical devices. The latter are subject to the German Food and Feed Code (Lebensmittel- und Futtermittelgesetzbuch, LFGB) and the Medical Devices Act (Medizinproduktegesetz, MPG), respectively, which does not apply to medicinal or cosmetic products (Section 2 (5) MPG). In the case of medical devices, for example, the particularly expensive clinical studies do not apply. Compared to drugs, they may also be advertised under simplified conditions, for example with certain pictorial representations, such as a comparison of before and after.[6] The same applies to medical devices.

For the classification as medicinal product, medical device, cosmetic or even food supplement, the manufacturer's information is decisive. The authorities are guided by these. Disputed individual cases are to be clarified by the courts.[7]

Legal basis

European law

According to the European Directive 2001/83/EC (Community code relating to medicinal products for human use), as amended and currently in force, functional medicinal products are.

    "any substance or combination of substances administered in or on the human body with a view either to restoring, correcting or modifying human physiological functions by exerting a pharmacological, immunological or metabolic action, or to making a medical diagnosis."

According to a November 15, 2007 ruling of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) in Luxembourg, which is binding on all EU member states, a requirement for a functional medicinal product is that it have an appreciable effect on metabolism and that it genuinely influence the functional conditions of the body.[8] The ECJ has also ruled that a functional medicinal product must have a pharmacological effect.

In contrast, according to Directive 2001/83/EC, presentation medicinal products are.

    "any substance or combination of substances presented as having properties for treating or preventing disease in human beings."

In addition, the so-called doubt rule applies according to definition paragraph 2 Article 2 of the Directive, which states:

    "In cases of doubt, where a product, taking into account all its characteristics, may fall both within the definition of 'medicinal product' and within the definition of a product regulated by other Community legislation, this Directive shall apply."

German Law

Although previously the basis of case law, the European regulation was then also transposed into national law in 2009 with the 15th amendment to the Medicinal Products Act.

Excerpt from a ruling: "The existence of a functional medicinal product within the meaning of Art. 1 No. 2 lit. b) Directive 2001/83/EC is not to be determined by the effects designated therein, but by whether the product can fulfill a therapeutic purpose (negated here with regard to certain bacteria)."[9]

Examples of court rulings on delineation

The following are examples of some decisions regarding the delineation of functional drugs from other product groups that have been particularly well-received.
Decisions concerning lactaseEdit

In February 2008,[10] the Higher Regional Court (OLG) of Stuttgart dealt with the evaluation of powdered products sold in capsules, which contain lactase. Lactase is an enzyme that breaks down lactose and is taken by people with lactose intolerance in order to digest the lactose contained in many milk products. The OLG ruled on the basis of German and primarily European law that these products are not functional drugs. It is true that the OLG considered the requirement to be fulfilled that a disturbance of physiological functions is present in the case of lactose intolerance. But the remedy was not capable of influencing the function of the body (namely the intestinal villi or the digestive secretions), but acted solely on the condition of the food. Rather, an active bioeffect would have to be required, i.e. an exogenous substance would have to have a controlling effect on bodily functions in order to be considered a functional medicinal product within the meaning of the EU directives. The court also relied on a previous reasoning [11] of the Federal Administrative Court.

The OLG also had other decisions by German courts on lactase preparations:

    In 2006, the Berlin Administrative Court (VG) had ruled that a comparable product to the one assessed by the Stuttgart Higher Regional Court in 2008 was a medicinal product requiring marketing authorization.[12] The Frankfurt Higher Regional Court had ruled that a lactase preparation was a medicinal product and not a dietary food.
    In 2000, the OLG Frankfurt had classified a lactase preparation as a medicinal product and not as a dietary food.[13] However, at that time the EU directives had not yet been enacted. In addition, the product had met the requirements for a "presentation medicinal product."

Decisions on preparations with herbal ingredients

In 2007, a product containing the ingredients oligomeric proanthocyanidins was classified as a food supplement and not as a functional medicinal product by a ruling of the Federal Administrative Court (BVerwG). In this and two other rulings of July 25, 2007, the BVerwG issued the following identical guiding principles:[14][15][16]

    The use of a product influences the physiological functions of the human body within the meaning of the definition of medicinal product under Community law only if it leads to a significant change in the functional conditions of the organism and causes effects that are outside the normal life processes occurring in the human body.
    The classification of a product as a drug presupposes that the effects attributed to it are substantiated by reliable scientific findings.

Also in 2007, the Federal Administrative Court confirmed in a ruling that a skin care ointment containing small amounts of camphor and menthol was a skin care product (cosmetic). The court issued the guiding principle: A horse ointment declared as a care product does not become a medicinal product within the meaning of Section 2 (1) of the German Medicines Act (AMG) due to a camphor content of 0.5%.[11].

More recent decisions also relate to a product marketed as a dietary supplement consisting of red fermented rice treated with molds ("Red Rice"). The monacolin K contained in it is structurally identical to lovastatin, a drug used in higher doses in the treatment of elevated cholesterol. For this reason, the supervisory authorities had denied the "Red Rice" capsules marketability as food supplements and prohibited their marketing. In 2006, the Higher Administrative Court of Lower Saxony had found that the product was to be regarded as a medicinal product requiring marketing authorization, citing these guiding principles, among others, in its ruling:[17]
    ...
    For the assessment of whether a product falls under the definition of a medicinal product "according to function", the pharmacological effects are to be given priority.
    In the case of substances for which a dose-dependent pharmaceutical effect has not been clearly determined scientifically, the comparison with approved medicinal products as well as possible health risks represent important delimitation criteria.
    The applicability of the rule of doubt in Article 2 (2) of Directive 2001/83/EC as amended by Directive 2004/27/EC does not require that the medicinal product property has been positively established. Rather, it is sufficient that the relevant proof of the pharmacological effect cannot be provided with absolute certainty.

However, in its ruling of January 15, 2009, the ECJ decided that the "Red Rice" capsules were not a drug, thus reconfirming its restrictive interpretation of the concept of a drug.[18] The ECJ had already ruled in 2007 that the "Red Rice" capsules were not a drug.

In 2007, the ECJ had already ruled that garlic extract powder capsules were not generally to be regarded as medicinal products. It also referred to Directive 2001/83/EC, according to which the disputed product did not meet the definition of a "medicinal product by presentation" or "by function."[8] A "generally beneficial effect on health" and a dosage form as a capsule are not sufficient to declare a foodstuff a medicinal product. Regarding the classification as a functional medicinal product, the court acknowledged that garlic capsules may serve to prevent arteriosclerosis and may have a pharmacological effect. However, the same effect could occur even with the intake of 7.4 grams of raw garlic daily. According to the ECJ, a product that has no effect on the organism other than that of a foodstuff has not crossed the threshold to become a functional medicinal product. The German government had previously classified garlic capsules as medicinal products and refused to allow an applicant to import them as food supplements.

 

In contrast, cinnamon extract capsules had been classified as medicinal products by two courts.[19][20] The courts classified the products not only as presentation medicinal products, but also as functional medicinal products, since there was a blood sugar-lowering effect that was also "medicinal".

 

So which means if the FDA gets it through, only NAC isn't available over the counter in the US. But you're still being able to order it for personal use from elsewhere.

 

On the contrary in Europe various supplements haven't been available like in the US always, and right away had to be ordered from the US. Also in some case for more reasonable costs.

 

Then in the case of Austria customs goes inbetween while taxing the imported supplements. Reclassifies it abitrarily as functional medicine, for which a medicine-import license is required. But practically never granded to privat persons.
 

It's confiscated and the offender is fined €50,- if the officer considers it abitrarily a 'minor' offence. Without recourse to repeals. Happened with imported ALA, Silimarin and Nattokinase for me. Nevermind the same supplements being available at lower doses in supermarkets here too.

 

Or right away fines with the otherwise minimum (if not arbitrarily considered 'minor') of €260,-. Which can be repealed. Long ago had that happen with a bottle of NOW TMG worth $10,-. My repeal wasn't processed in the required time of 1 1/2 years, and therefore this fine dropped. Otherwise you'll may meet the perpetrators of such abitrary ruling at the EU high court again.

 

Now this custom abitrarilyness hit me again. They just confiscated a small shipment of KoncentratedK, containing only K vitamins and Astaxanthin. Also to my horror realized, this time can't even plead on the absence of a "medicinal product by presentation" in a future repeal, because KoncentratedK webshop only includes scientific health claims from studies, but lacks any obligatory FDA disclaimer: 'not intented to tread, mitigate or cure any disease..'

 

Which compared is a real disaster for me. Due to the fines going up from €260,- on repeat up to €2600,-, if I'm convicted this time - which sadly is very likely - and with the prospect of such a abitrary reclassification of imported supplements next time having to cope with fines in the thousands Euros: I simply wont dare to ever order ANY supplement from outside the EU ever again.

 

Just for prospective, and how really bad it already is outside the US. Therefore do everything you can to stop such infringements on freedom in choice of treatment-modalities at its beginnings. Most are too lazy to do anything, but the prospect of getting restricted like Europe should wake you up. Do write to your representatives, at least.


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Posted 02 July 2021 - 07:49 PM

 I have 10kg of NAC worth around 12k which I bought before this ban , can I get a refund or can I use them up legally ?


Edited by kurdishfella, 02 July 2021 - 07:50 PM.

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Posted 02 July 2021 - 09:08 PM

 I have 10kg of NAC worth around 12k which I bought before this ban , can I get a refund or can I use them up legally ?

I say use them



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Posted 03 July 2021 - 02:25 AM

I was thinking of selling it to a company maybe  or changing the chemical structure


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#12 smithx

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Posted 03 July 2021 - 06:53 AM

It's still being sold. Read the linked article people.

 

They tried this already with red yeast rich and vitamin B6. They won't enforce it if there's a big public outcry.

 

 



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Posted 04 July 2021 - 12:17 AM

It's still being sold. Read the linked article people.

 

They tried this already with red yeast rich and vitamin B6. They won't enforce it if there's a big public outcry.

 

Which is why you want to make as much noise as possible. Go to the websites of your congressional representatives and senators and leave comments.

 

Also, the FDA has a comment section on their website here:

 

https://www.fda.gov/...ubmit-petitions

 

Be cordial. Be informed. Point out that NAC has been a supplement for decades and has been used without issue by millions of people without issue.


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Posted 05 July 2021 - 09:06 AM

stack on c60 powder while you can they will make it illegal for sure at some point


 I have 10kg of NAC worth around 12k which I bought before this ban , can I get a refund or can I use them up legally ?

how much will that last you 500 years?


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Posted 11 July 2021 - 09:08 AM

IDK but I got it because a friend of mine that sells stuff closed down and asked me if I wanted them instead of throwing it out because he didnt manage to sell it all. I got it for a much cheaper price. 


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#16 Gal220

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Posted 03 August 2021 - 08:34 PM

It looks to be much worse than this - Clock Ticking For Supplements

 

"The FDA could be preparing to unleash an anti-supplement policy as early as next year that could eliminate tens of thousands of products from the market"


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Posted 05 August 2021 - 02:47 AM

Sign of things to come, Mercola taking all his content down.

 

https://articles.mer...r-48-hours.aspx


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#18 Gal220

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Posted 19 September 2021 - 04:41 AM

Now Resveratrol

 

https://anh-usa.org/...se-resveratrol/

 

"This powerful anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, and life-extending supplement could face the FDA’s axe. We need to stop it. Action Alert!

Resveratrol, a plant-derived polyphenol found in grapes, could be eliminated in supplement form like pyridoxamine (B6) was a number of years ago due to an FDA back-channel that lets Big Pharma turn supplements into drugs. If Big Pharma asks the FDA to remove resveratrol, the agency’s job of eliminating these supplements is made much easier if it gets the “mandatory filing” requirement that it wants. We need to fight for major changes in the law and to block this “mandatory list” from ever passing to protect our access to important supplements."


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Posted 01 October 2021 - 02:21 AM

I just noticed Amazon stopped selling NAC when I tried to buy some there today. :sad:


Edited by Malf, 01 October 2021 - 02:23 AM.


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Posted 01 October 2021 - 06:38 AM

I just noticed Amazon stopped selling NAC when I tried to buy some there today. :sad:

 

It is available elsewhere - https://www.iherb.com/search?kw=nAC

 

 

I have canceled my Amazon account, VOTE with your dollars !


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Posted 01 October 2021 - 12:49 PM

I wouldn't panic just yet.  Every one of these places currently has NAC.  This is hardly an exhaustive list.

Swanson
All Star Health
Vitacost
LEF
Pure Formulas
Lucky Vitamin


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Posted 01 October 2021 - 12:59 PM

I wouldn't panic just yet.  Every one of these places currently has NAC.  This is hardly an exhaustive list.

Swanson
All Star Health
Vitacost
LEF
Pure Formulas
Lucky Vitamin

 

Do you think nothing will come of this though?

 

https://anh-usa.org/...or-supplements/


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Posted 07 October 2021 - 07:08 AM

A Dr. Julius Goepp called NAC an "Overlooked Compound That Saves Lives," writing...
The sad consequence is that most aging individuals have never heard of it. Even many doctors remain unaware of its potential role as a frontline defense against some of today’s most deadly public health threats...
 
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Listen to podcast: N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC): a Glutathione Biohack for those who have succumbed to vice...


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Posted 07 November 2021 - 06:50 AM

It is available elsewhere - https://www.iherb.com/search?kw=nAC

 

 

I have canceled my Amazon account, VOTE with your dollars !

 

Is source naturals good brand of NAC on link of iherb?


Edited by Malf, 07 November 2021 - 06:50 AM.


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Posted 08 November 2021 - 05:00 AM

Is source naturals good brand of NAC on link of iherb?

Yes



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Posted 18 November 2021 - 02:37 PM

While researching a study that showed supplementation with Glycine and NAC had remarkable effects among elderly subjects (age 74+-1), I stumbled upon this interesting fact:

Nestle corporation has patented the "GlyNAC" supplement combination.

Well, obviously there's no commercial value in that patent if any old Joe Schmoe can buy all the NAC he wants, right?

So shortly thereafter, the FDA decides that NAC must be regulated. Hmmm...

What can we do about it? Probably not much individually. But I personally boycott ALL Nestle brands, including Starbucks and Smart water, and many many MANY other brands they own. It isn't easy to do, boycotting Nestle -- it takes a lot of research, and a determination to read EVERY label on EVERY food and drink you buy -- but if enough of us do it, it will make a difference.
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Posted 20 November 2021 - 12:46 PM

There's speculation it helps against the Covid vaccines. Do your own research, I'm ambivalent on this. Why after all these years though? Timing is fishy, relative to Covid


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Posted 20 November 2021 - 01:55 PM

https://www.voicefor...red-covi-sation

(~01:30:47 on .. a bit of info on NAC, Quercetin and Sylmarin (they mentioned milk thistle) in relation to innate immunity and Covid-19, improving possible vaccine induced toxicity ... sorry this must known to many of you but I found it new as quoted by some of these experts also in clinical settings)


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Posted 20 November 2021 - 10:38 PM

https://www.voicefor...red-covi-sation

(~01:30:47 on .. a bit of info on NAC, Quercetin and Sylmarin (they mentioned milk thistle) in relation to innate immunity and Covid-19, improving possible vaccine induced toxicity ... sorry this must known to many of you but I found it new as quoted by some of these experts also in clinical settings)

 

Along the same lines, also important in outcomes for the virus as a precursor to glutathione - article linked in this post


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Posted 17 September 2022 - 03:01 AM

NAC is back for sale at Amazon. 

 

The FDA said it intends to exercise "enforcement discretion" for NAC, which apparently means it can still be sold as a supplement.

https://www.fda.gov/...etyl-l-cysteine


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