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[shifter]

Everyone seems pretty well dug in on their position here, but the tide is turning.

You will see more and more articles like this, from a UK cardiologist
"I’ve spend 9 months on this paper and today it’s finally published after rigorous and long peer review process. It’s perhaps the most important work of my career so far"
https://twitter.com/...257292006014976
https://t.co/uiNRucOQpE
https://t.co/aoy6mHgowF

https://twitter.com/...986541302104065

https://youtu.be/v5dUuYovmNU
(play at 2x speed)

This is what happens when you look into the claims. I doubt his 'most important work' was peer reviewed at all.

Edited by shifter, 03 October 2022 - 11:40 PM.

[shifter]

Nearly everyone in Germany is an anti-vaxxer now as well. Hardly anyone is taking the 4th dose in Germany.

This and your claim about 98% of Americans being anti vaxxers because they haven't taken a vaccine that has only been available for a few weeks (also think logistics) is not what being an antivaxxer means

Myself not getting a 4th yet (being at low risk of infection) or not getting one if I had just been infected is also not being an antivaxxer. I'll be getting my 4th at the end of the month before I board a plane and go through major public transport hubs that's for sure. If covid is still 'a thing' in the future I'll just settle for a yearly booster depending on the level of infection risk

I'm not sure what the point of your posts are here?

Edited by shifter, 03 October 2022 - 11:51 PM.

[LongLiveTheNewFlesh]

Jonas Salk cured Polio with his vaccines and he was part of the government.

I can’t help thinking if we took the money away from the corporations and gave it to the government then Covid would be cured by now. A corporation doesn’t care about saving lives it cares about making money for its share holders. It only cares about the bottom line.

A democracy is a government of the people, by the people, for the people. In other words you and me, all of us are the government. So stop being so angry at the government, you want something to be angry about then you should be angry at the corporations, simple logic here people.

[Mind]

 

 

Myself not getting a 4th yet (being at low risk of infection) or not getting one if I had just been infected is also not being an antivaxxer.

 

This is the exact position of many people who have not taken the COVID injections, people who have been viciously attacked as anti-vaxxers for the past year and a half.

[kurdishfella]

did moderna (USA) copy the russian sputnik vaccine? and how many different brands (not type) of covid vaccines are there  

Edited by kurdishfella, 05 October 2022 - 01:57 PM.

[smithx]

did moderna (USA) copy the russian sputnik vaccine? and how many different brands (not type) of covid vaccines are there  

 

No, they are entirely different types of vaccines, not even slightly similar.

[Mind]

This and your claim about 98% of Americans being anti vaxxers because they haven't taken a vaccine that has only been available for a few weeks (also think logistics) is not what being an antivaxxer means

Myself not getting a 4th yet (being at low risk of infection) or not getting one if I had just been infected is also not being an antivaxxer. I'll be getting my 4th at the end of the month before I board a plane and go through major public transport hubs that's for sure. If covid is still 'a thing' in the future I'll just settle for a yearly booster depending on the level of infection risk

I'm not sure what the point of your posts are here?

 

You are in good company in your vaccine hesitancy. Even though the current variant is widespread around the world, several countries are not giving the vaccine to people in many age groups (up to 65), like Norway, Australia, and Denmark, among many others.

 

Some additional evidence that the spike protein generated by the mRNA shots go to every tissue in the body and causes inflammation. Remember with the vicious COVID rage mob threatened anyone who said the spike protein does not stay in you deltoid muscle. This has been proven false. However, I am sure there are some places (Google, Snopes, Facebook, AP, ABC, CBS, etc...) where this science is called misinformation.

[shifter]

You are in good company in your vaccine hesitancy. Even though the current variant is widespread around the world, several countries are not giving the vaccine to people in many age groups (up to 65), like Norway, Australia, and Denmark, among many others.

 

Some additional evidence that the spike protein generated by the mRNA shots go to every tissue in the body and causes inflammation. Remember with the vicious COVID rage mob threatened anyone who said the spike protein does not stay in you deltoid muscle. This has been proven false. However, I am sure there are some places (Google, Snopes, Facebook, AP, ABC, CBS, etc...) where this science is called misinformation.

 

Firstly, I am not hesitant about getting the vaccine. I just dont see a point if my current circumstance is low risk (low cases in the city and low social interaction) and previously had a vaccine dose earlier this year.

 

Secondly, not sure where you get your information about Australia - because vaccines are very much recommended to people below 65 years of age, especially vulnerable cohorts. The bivalent one has just been made available to Australia as well and I'll be getting it later this week (I am 40) in preparation for a holiday next month where my risk of exposure to the virus will be many fold greater than what it is currently. My previous vaccine was done early February. If covid is still a thing next year, I might get another vaccine by the winter and just get them yearly. I'm not worried about dying from covid - but I dont want lingering sequelae issues which happens to a not insignificant amount of infected

 

https://www.health.g...-get-vaccinated

 

Fourth dose

You should get another COVID-19 booster dose, also referred to as a ‘fourth dose’, if you have had your initial booster dose 3 months ago and you are:

• 50 years or older
• 16 years or older and a resident of an aged care or disability care facility
• 16 years or older and severely immunocompromised
• Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and aged 50 years and older
• 16 years or older with a medical condition that increases the risk of severe COVID-19 illness
• 16 years or older with a disability..

A fourth dose is also available to people aged 30 to 49 years old if they choose.

 

 

It's a take it or leave it recommendation. Just health advice.

 

 

Also, the idea that fragments of mRNA leave the deltoid muscle is not new information. It has been found in breast milk from a study that was published in November 2021

 

https://www.frontier...021.777103/full

 

I would hazard a guess that you get less 'spikes' around your body from a vaccine injected into your deltoid then you do with a full blown sars-cov2 infection that multiplies by the millions invading and destroying cells as it goes. Worried about a single cov2 spike outside the deltoid? Well the actual virus has ~2 dozen different fully functional spikes that will go wherever your blood goes. So not sure why you think this 'science' would be called misinformation. It has been documented in research papers since last year.

 

Honestly, I'm more worried about the increased rates of plastics and PFAS found in breast milk than picograms of mRNA fragments which would have zero impact on the baby. Saliva, stomach acids and digestive juices would more than deal with it - even if it were completely intact and in doses large enough to solicit an immune response. But it is neither intact and no where near a dose required to stimulate a response

 

The reason we dont vaccinate orally is because it would get destroyed and be useless. Same if the vaccine was injected into the blood. Destroyed too quickly. So a baby ingesting fragments, and picograms at that, is a non issue. Given the fragments were not detected after 48 hours (they checked for 5 days) it says to me the body excretes it rather quickly. It also wasn't found in every mother. You would also think that with the mRNA in the human breast milk... The storage conditions even if it survived intact to get there, would also degrade it. Warm temperature, enzymes etc.... Then babies saliva, stomach acid and digestive juices.....

 

 

Article about PFAS found in breast milk. I'd say this is a bigger concern but it seems people dont really care I guess?

https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/33982557/

 

People still buy non stick cookware and the plethora of other products that use it.... No one up in arms about babies ingesting these chemicals...

 

Anyways..... In a few days I'll get the bivalent vaccine. I'll let you know how it goes

[LongLiveTheNewFlesh]

I thought taking your vaccines was a good thing. I took the main shot and two boosters so far. So am I going to end up stupid , or if I have children are they going to be messed up too? I should of never listened to my family, funny thing on most things I never do. My family, besides my dad, is a bunch of idiots compared to me.

Edited by LongLiveTheNewFlesh, 11 October 2022 - 03:43 AM.

[kurdishfella]

No, they are entirely different types of vaccines, not even slightly similar.

That's not what I've been told from my scientist friends. but I guess you know better?

Edited by kurdishfella, 11 October 2022 - 10:36 AM.

[shifter]

That's not what I've been told from my scientist friends. but I guess you know better?

The Sputnik V vaccine uses a human adenovirus vector platform. It does not use mRNA

Who are your 'scientist friends'?

[Daniel Cooper]

The Johnson and Johnson covid-19 vaccine also uses a modified adenovirus.

[Daniel Cooper]

No, they are entirely different types of vaccines, not even slightly similar.

 

Correct. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are mRNA. Sputnik V and Johnson and Johnson both use adenovirus as viral vectors. 

 

J&J was not a copy of Sputnik or vice versa.

[geo12the]

That's not what I've been told from my scientist friends. but I guess you know better?

 

You just need to google it. From Wikipedia:

 

"Sputnik V (Russian: Спутник V, the brand name from RDIF) or Gam-COVID-Vac (Russian: Гам-КОВИД-Вак, the name under which it is legally registered and produced[3]) is an adenovirus viral vector vaccine for COVID-19 developed by the Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology in Russia. It is the world's first registered combination vector vaccine for the prevention of COVID-19, having been registered on 11 August 2020 by the Russian Ministry of Health.[4][5]"

 

"The Moderna COVID‑19 vaccine (INN: elasomeran), sold under the brand name Spikevax, is a COVID-19 vaccine developed by American company Moderna, the United States National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), and the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA). Depending on the jurisdiction, it is authorized for use in people aged six months,[38] twelve years, or eighteen years and older. It provides protection against COVID-19 which is caused by infection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.[33][2][15][10] It is designed to be administered as two or three 0.5 mL doses given by intramuscular injection at an interval of at least 28 days apart.[25][39][40][41]

 

It is an mRNA vaccine composed of nucleoside-modified mRNA (modRNA) encoding a spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which is encapsulated in lipid nanoparticles.[42]"

[Mind]

Australia not recommending boosters for healthy people under 50. (for other countries the limit is 65)

 

I the COVID injections work and there is zero risk then countries should still be forcing everyone to get the injections. In addition, the injections are free.

 

There is zero reason for any country to NOT recommend the injections for everyone, according to official guidance.

 

They are not recommending the injections for everyone BECAUSE there is risk with the injections. Australia is officially paying funeral costs of those killed by the injections.

[Mind]

I am not sure why anyone would trust anything the CDC says or their pandemic guidance.

 

They had to be sued to release the v-safe data regarding the COVID injections. They are not transparent and have admitted several times to making false statements during the pandemic. It is no wonder why trust in "public health" is at an all-time low. The v-safe data indicates that over 7% of people who got the COVID injections sought medical care. 25% reported missing work, school, or having a "bad" reaction to the injection. It is a sample size of over 10 million people.

[shifter]

Australia not recommending boosters for healthy people under 50. (for other countries the limit is 65)

 

I the COVID injections work and there is zero risk then countries should still be forcing everyone to get the injections. In addition, the injections are free.

 

There is zero reason for any country to NOT recommend the injections for everyone, according to official guidance.

 

They are not recommending the injections for everyone BECAUSE there is risk with the injections. Australia is officially paying funeral costs of those killed by the injections.

 

Perhaps you should read that link again. Booster doses are recommended for 12-15 if they are vulnerable and 16+ healthy

 

4th dose can be given to anyone 30+

 

As for the 5-11 cohort - a booster is recommended if the child has a compromised/weakened immune system

 

And it is not free (for the government) - they are footing the bill (through tax payers anyway so in a way we all do)

 

 

The risk of death from the injections is minuscule compared to the risk of death from covid. Not to mention complications and the burden of long covid on the economy. The massive cost of people ending up in hospital

 

The funeral cost for the 14 people that have died would be far cheaper than paying for the thousands of people who would otherwise end up in hospital, costing thousands of dollars per person.

 

And just so you know, 13 of those 14 came from the Astrazenica vaccine

https://www.tga.gov....port-06-10-2022

 

 

Also people who take time off work due to long covid hurts the economy

 

Dead people also dont pay taxes anymore. The government wants as few people to die before their time as possible. Not so much for 'our' sake as much as it hurts their bottom line when we aren't paying taxes or spending in the economy

 

 

Also I had my bivalent vaccine a few days ago. Sore arm for a day but otherwise zero problems. As were the other doses. Who knows, maybe the reason why I didn't get covid when my wife did was because of the vaccines. For something as super contagious as sars cov-2, I slept in the same room for days. And the kids (vaccinated) shared a car ride for days and ate school lunches she prepared. She got it through work from a baby who was NOT vaccinated (works in childcare and the baby obviously wasn't vaccinated). But mine and the kids exposure was through her who was vaccinated herself. She didn't really get sick so while she tested positive to the virus, perhaps her own vaccination prevented her from getting diseased. (a positive test is not a diagnosis for disease)

 

Anyway, getting a booster once a year is no big deal - if sars/covid is still a thing next year and the years to follow, that's how I'll roll with it. Everyone else, feel free to do as you please I say.

[Mind]

Moderna sponsored study (pre-print) shows people who have gotten 3 COVID injections are MORE likely to be infected by the omicron variant after 5 months (as compared to un-injected people).

 

More whistleblowers are coming forward about the cover up regarding COVID injection side effects and death.

 

More doctors are starting to question the increase in cancer since the roll-out of the COVID injections (one of my cousins had her cancer re-emerge after the injection)

 

Meanwhile, people over 75 in England have experienced more COVID deaths, than at anytime in the last 2 years, despite high vaccination rates.

 

BBC reports that neonatal deaths have doubled since the rollout of the COVID injections (investigation is ongoing but will take a few months to determine the cause)

 

In Europe, at least they have some integrity and are investigating the COVID injection contracts with big Pharma. Whereas in the US, the CDC and FDA ask "how high?" when big Pahrma says "jump". On Thursday they will vote to whether permanently shield Moderna and Pfizer from any liability what-so-ever stemming from the COVID injections.

 

 

[Mind]

Just like everyone else in the world, the CDC director got COVID (after getting every COVID injection and taking all the government-mandated precautions). I am sure she will be fine, just like 99.8% of the people of her age and health status, injected or not.

 

While the CDC actively ignores anyone claiming to suffer side effects from the injections, other researchers in the world continue to publish data on the severe side effects. A Swiss study found that almost every injected person has suffered at least minimal heart damage.

 

Recall that Eric Clapton suffered temporary paralysis from the injection. Another famous artist has suffered a worse fate in Australia. Varying degrees of blindness have been reported to health authorities as well.

 

I am unsure if everyone is aware, but a Pfizer executive admitted to a EU commission that they never tested the COVID injections to see if they prevented transmission. Other Pfizer executives lied to the public and said that it would prevent transmission. Thus, there was never any rationale for "vaccine passports" or any of the discrimination against those who advocated for health freedom. As we now know, according to published research, injected people are more likely to be infected and more likely to carry the infection for a longer period of time. According to recent CDC data, the COVID injections are only 29% effective in preventing hospitalization after 4 months (yet the awful U.S. media continues to say that it works great).

 

 

Edited by Mind, 25 October 2022 - 11:33 PM.

[Mind]

The CEO of Moderna says that COVID is now like the seasonal flu and not everyone needs to take the boosters.

 

How did we get into a situation where new COVID injections are being approved without human trials? The PR firm representing big pharma interests, embedded their people within the CDC to promote the injections. This is the same way other big corps "convinced" the pubic that sugar is healthy, cigarettes are not harmful, anti-depressant drugs work (they don't), opioids are the only solution for pain, and on and on.

[Mind]

Yet another study finds that compared to the un-injected, the people who took the injections are MORE likely to be hospitalized and die of COVID, around 2 to 3 months post-injection.

[Mind]

The US CDC director has 5 COVID injections and has now had COVID twice. Remember when health bureaucrats said the injections were 100% effective, and they prevented transmission and infection and would keep you out of the hospital. We now know, according to peer-reviewed research that injected people are MORE LIKELY to be hospitalized from COVID 2 to 3 months after the injection. The latest variant is infecting injected people at a rate 3 times greater than those uninjected. Peer reviewed research also suggests the injected are more likely to get SYMPTOMATIC COVID.

 

Pfizer could care less, they plan to raise the cost of the injections by 400%. People in this forum often complain about "big-pharma" creating minimally effective very expensive medications that only treat symptoms...never healing people. With the COVID injections they are now going to make hundreds of billions of dollars on a product that does not stop the transmission of COVID.

 

 

 

 

[Mind]

New published study in NEJM shows virtually no benefit of the COVID injections in kids and adolescents. That is why so many countries in the world are not recommending the COVID injections to kids. All risk/harm and no benefit. The injections raise the level of one specific antibody but maybe at the detriment to the rest of the immune system.

 

Yet in the US our public health authorities are anti-science and are pushing the COVID injections on kids because of a study in 8 mice and because there is apparently still an extreme emergency going on and the injections need EMERGENCY AUTHORIZATION!!!!!

 

Also, has anyone got any more insight or information about the strange blood clots being found in deceased persons recently? I have seen a few doctors commenting about it.

[Mind]

Some reasons why the "efficacy" of the COIVD injections can be misleading. The main problem is counting people who had the injections as "unvaccinated" up to a month after their first injections. Also, un-injected people (in Israel) were tested for COVID 6 times as much as the injected, likely catching more un-injected infections.

[Daniel Cooper]

Some reasons why the "efficacy" of the COIVD injections can be misleading. The main problem is counting people who had the injections as "unvaccinated" up to a month after their first injections. Also, un-injected people (in Israel) were tested for COVID 6 times as much as the injected, likely catching more un-injected infections.

 

That bolded part is probably fairly significant and liable to skew the data.

 

In my area, companies that did not dismiss people outright for refusing the vaccine generally gave employees two choices - get the vaccine or submit to weekly on-site covid rapid tests.

 

Of the people that I am aware of where I work that did turn up positive on those tests, maybe half had no symptoms or very mild symptoms and their cases probably would not have been caught had they not been required to do weekly tests.

[Mind]

People in Germany are not excited about getting another boost either. Only about 7% of the U.S. has gotten the new injection according to the CDC. Dr. Fauci is mad about it. People are probably sick of getting injections and then getting symptomatic COVID - just like the FDA commissioner. A new study shows that people who got the booster are much more likely to get infected. In Germany, many more injected people are now ending up in the ICU than un-injected people - same thing in Singapore.

 

With excess mortality (non-COVID) higher now than in 2020 or 2021 in multiple countries - all which had high percentages of COVID injections - the funeral business is booming. Doctors in Europe are raising the alarm about the rise in deaths.

 

Remember when Dr. Fauci and Francis Collins were using BURNER PHONES, so that people could not find out what they were saying about COVID and its origins. Remember when the CDC admitted they lied about the effectiveness of the COVID injections and about their (lack of) monitoring of COVID injection safety (multiple times). Now the head of the EU is being investigated for deleting or "losing" messages between himself and the CEO of Pfizer. So much for transparency and integrity in the EU.

 

Lastly, when did the FDA become cheerleaders for COVID injections. They are a regulatory agency. Now they are actively selling injections for Pfizer and Moderna. So much for government agency independence.

[joesixpack]

There was a study published in April 2022. 

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study

 

It concluded : "Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0.25 to 1.13). We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection."  https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC9025013/

 

So, if the rise in Carditis and Pericarditis was not affected by Covid 19 infections, it stands to reason that the cause is the vaccine. 

 

 

[Mind]

Two new studies in pre-print show no additional neutralizing antibodies with the new boosters.

 

Now even the awful US media is reporting about how being injected with the booster INCREASES your chance of re-infection with Omicron.

 

For the past year, posters in this thread have provided innumerable peer-reviewed and pre-print studies and analyzed population level data which show that the injections are no where near 100% safe or 100% effective. One does not actually need to read the studies to figure this out. When nearly everyone who got the injections is getting SYMPTOMATIC COVID, many ending up in the hospital and now even dying at higher rates than the un-injected (in Germany), it is easy to tell it is not 100% safe and it is not 100% effective. The pubic "health" bureaucrats who claimed it was 100% safe and effective should be fired.

[geo12the]

Two new studies in pre-print show no additional neutralizing antibodies with the new boosters.

 

Now even the awful US media is reporting about how being injected with the booster INCREASES your chance of re-infection with Omicron.

 

For the past year, posters in this thread have provided innumerable peer-reviewed and pre-print studies and analyzed population level data which show that the injections are no where near 100% safe or 100% effective. One does not actually need to read the studies to figure this out. When nearly everyone who got the injections is getting SYMPTOMATIC COVID, many ending up in the hospital and now even dying at higher rates than the un-injected (in Germany), it is easy to tell it is not 100% safe and it is not 100% effective. The pubic "health" bureaucrats who claimed it was 100% safe and effective should be fired.

 

No vaccine is 100% safe or 100% effective. Many vaccines don't prevent infection but prevent serious disease. The statistics, which I have posted here over and over and over, clearly show that the COVID vaccines have kept people from getting seriously ill, kept people out of the hospital and kept people from dying. The anti vax people are deluded. If people listened to them many more people would be dead now. It's fundamentally evil. People on a longevity site promoting advice that will get people killed. I just don't get it. 

[geo12the]

There was a study published in April 2022. 

The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study

 

It concluded : "Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0.25 to 1.13). We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection."  https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC9025013/

 

So, if the rise in Carditis and Pericarditis was not affected by Covid 19 infections, it stands to reason that the cause is the vaccine. 

 

Other larger studies have found COVID is associated with myocarditis. A coworker of my husbands had heart problems after he got COVID early in the pandemic before vaccines were even available. He may have heart surgery, it was scheduled for next month but his doc postponed it, I am not sure the details why.  

 

This editorial does a good job of summarizing what is currently known: 

 

"Regarding the viral involvement of cardiovascular system, cardiac injury has been observed in approximately 30% of COVID-19 infections and has been associated with an adverse prognosis. The clinical presentation of cardiac involvement has been mostly represented by COVID-19-related myo-pericarditis.

Post-mortem studies report myopericarditis in approximately 30% of cases with rare identification by the polymerase chain reaction of COVID-19 genomes [3]. "

 

"Myocarditis after the BNT162b2 mRNA anti-COVID-19 vaccine has been reported in around 1 on 100,000, and is higher in males than in females with top incidence in young males, aged 16–19 years [6]. The incidence of post-vaccination myocarditis appears mildly more pronounced following mRNA-1273 (Moderna) administration [6]. Clinically, it manifests a few days after vaccine administration and is considered unlikely connectable to vaccination after 4 weeks."

 

 

Also more information here: