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[Empiricus]

I dont recommend the covid vaccine, but it looks like Novavax might be the safest.  Or maybe just 1 shot of Pfizer(if no cancer issues), the shots make spike for 2 months+, there was never a reason for the 2nd shot other than $$(IMO the only reason to take either is work/travel restrictions, so 1 shot probably not viable)

 

 

Do there still exist people who haven't been vaccinated even one time for Covid but are still considering getting vaccinated for it?  

[Gal220]

Do there still exist people who haven't been vaccinated even one time for Covid but are still considering getting vaccinated for it?  

 

If you feel forced to booster, universities/hospitals, consider your options.  I would transfer or find another job

Edited by Gal220, 28 December 2022 - 03:51 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

Do there still exist people who haven't been vaccinated even one time for Covid but are still considering getting vaccinated for it?  

 

Given that the vast majority of people that took the original two vaccine sequence haven't gotten a booster you'd have to think the number of people in the category you describe is so small as to be statistically insignificant.

[Mind]

A lot of people have commented on the pre-print study out of Denmark showing negative "vaccine" effectiveness after 3 months, meaning the people who were injected are more likely to get infected than people who did not get injected.

 

The fact checker team at Rueters talked to the authors. They say the claim of negative vaccine effectiveness is false. If you read the fact check article, the authors seem to completely destroy their own study, saying the data doesn't really show what it seems to show. They say (without evidence), that the 3 to 4 month period of their follow-up is "biased data". If the data is not reliable, then the paper should be retracted.

[Empiricus]

A lot of people have commented on the pre-print study out of Denmark showing negative "vaccine" effectiveness after 3 months, meaning the people who were injected are more likely to get infected than people who did not get injected.

 

The fact checker team at Rueters talked to the authors. They say the claim of negative vaccine effectiveness is false. If you read the fact check article, the authors seem to completely destroy their own study, saying the data doesn't really show what it seems to show. They say (without evidence), that the 3 to 4 month period of their follow-up is "biased data". If the data is not reliable, then the paper should be retracted. 

 

Selective quoting by Reuters?  We don't have the whole interview.  The authors speculate about an alternative explanation for apparent negative vaccine effectiveness, but it's all conjecture by the authors.  

 

The data is there and like most data, it's open to more than one interpretation. The author's opinions about what the data means are just their opinions.

 

Reuters is labeling interpretations of the data expressed by persons other than the authors "false" because the authors themselves do not (publicly) share those interpretations.  That's not the way science works. 

 

Incidentally, the more recent Cleveland Clinic study also showed the same thing as the Denmark study, but it's not at all clear that the Danish authors' explanation about how their data might be "biased" would apply to employees of Cleveland Clinic! https://www.medrxiv....3625v1.full.pdf

 

A recent study points to a mechanism by which the mRNA vaccines may be compromising the immunological response of the vaccinated to Covid infection: https://www.science....immunol.ade2798  reviewed here  https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-immunological-mechanism-of-action

Edited by Empiricus, 29 December 2022 - 01:39 AM.

[Gal220]

Interview Dr. Drew with UK cardiologist

 

https://youtu.be/xyGeWZq1kSs?t=3312

 

 

 

Interesting point was brought up

 

Editor in Chief of the Lancet wrote in 2015 that possibly HALF of the medical published literature is untrue

[Mind]

Prior to 2020, if someone told me that life extension advocates would start injecting a syringe of PEG (or derivatives) every couple of months (COVID injections/boosters), I wouldn't have believed it.

 

Even if low doses of PEG are not too toxic, most bio-hackers try to avoid toxic substances.

 

PEG toxicity in large doses.

PEG derivatives have unknown toxicity.

[Daniel Cooper]

Interview Dr. Drew with UK cardiologist

 

https://youtu.be/xyGeWZq1kSs?t=3312

 

 

 

Interesting point was brought up

 

Editor in Chief of the Lancet wrote in 2015 that possibly HALF of the medical published literature is untrue

 

I've seen statements that half of all published medical studies can not be replicated. This was based on a sample of studies where replication was attempted.

[Mind]

I've seen statements that half of all published medical studies can not be replicated. This was based on a sample of studies where replication was attempted.

 

This has been covered extensively here in the forums (but I can't find the thread right now, arrg!). I gave a presentation to some local bio-hackers about it once.

[Mind]

It is way past time to acknowledge that the COVID injections are mostly a failure. They really aren't vaccines. The mRNA injections temporarily boost one specific antibody against one specific variant of SARS-CoV2. If you don't get boosters every couple of months, you have almost no protection. Plus the injections come with a very long list side effects, which are sometimes deadly, and include dysregulating your immune system. Many countries around the world have seen excess deaths soar in 2022, suspiciously correlated with the rollout of the injections. No where has it been more shocking than in the Balearic Islands.

 

The injections have done almost nothing to stop the spread of COVID. In the U.S. there were more COVID deaths in 2021 - after the injection rollout - than in all of 2020. 99% of the island of Palau was injected, yet they still had a huge wave of COVID that infected more than 20% of the island. Over 95% of people in Quebec got the injections and COVID deaths are 75% higher this year than last year! Young athletes are suffering cardiac events at a rate of nearly 1600/year in the past year, when it used to be only about 30/year, according to this study (sadly behind a paywall).

 

I don't think I know of any other "vaccine" that doesn't stop infection, doesn't stop transmission, doesn't prevent hospitalization, doesn't reliably prevent deaths (more injected people are dying in the U.S. right now than uninjected people).

 

Additionally, it looks like the side-effects get worse with each booster. A recent PEER-REVIEWED study shows that the myocarditis risk is 9-fold higher after getting a booster shot. Also, add axillary lymphadenopathy to the list. More and more doctors are speaking up about it, in Australia and in Japan.

 

Remember when women were viciously attacked and threatened for speaking out about how the injections were affecting their monthly cycles and pregnancy. I do. They were called anti-vaccine nut-jobs. Voluminous studies now show that the women were not lying. They were not evil anti-vaxxers. They were just trying to alert the public to side effects.

[Hip]

  Many countries around the world have seen excess deaths soar in 2022, suspiciously correlated with the rollout of the injections. No where has it been more shocking than in the Balearic Islands. 

 

You can only judge the effect of the vaccines on excess deaths in countries where there was no COVID, otherwise you have confounding factors.

 

In New Zealand, there was no COVID in the year the vaccines were rolled out, and they had no excess deaths. QED.

[william7]

Checkout “Shocking Lab Investigation of COVID Vaccines”, at https://media.mercol...accines-pdf.pdf. 
 

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

December 31, 2022

 A recent laboratory investigation by The Highwire reveals the only consistent thing about the COVID shots are their inconsistency. There is no quality control. Some appear clear like saline, while others are loaded with contaminants

 In August 2021, Japan rejected 1.63 million doses of Moderna’s mRNA shot due to contamination. Last year the European Medicines Agency (EMA) also expressed concern over vials that were only 50% to 55% pure

 The vials also contain massively inconsistent amounts of polyethylene glycol (PEG). PEG can cause anaphylactic shock in some people. PEG also gets in the way of proper immune response

 If you are unfortunate enough to get a vial that is loaded with PEG, your risk of adverse effects such as anaphylactic shock and dysregulated immune response is greater than if you get a vial with lower amounts

 According to Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist, what looks like microchips or nanotechnology in the liquid are actually stacked cholesterol, sugar and salt crystals, and what has been described as parasites are stellate trikons, found on the bottom of leaves. They’re likely a contaminant picked up at some point during the lab investigation

 

[Hip]

 

Checkout “Shocking Lab Investigation of COVID Vaccines”, at https://media.mercol...accines-pdf.pdf. 
 

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

December 31, 2022

 A recent laboratory investigation by The Highwire reveals the only consistent thing about the COVID shots are their inconsistency. There is no quality control. Some appear clear like saline, while others are loaded with contaminants

 In August 2021, Japan rejected 1.63 million doses of Moderna’s mRNA shot due to contamination. Last year the European Medicines Agency (EMA) also expressed concern over vials that were only 50% to 55% pure

 The vials also contain massively inconsistent amounts of polyethylene glycol (PEG). PEG can cause anaphylactic shock in some people. PEG also gets in the way of proper immune response

 If you are unfortunate enough to get a vial that is loaded with PEG, your risk of adverse effects such as anaphylactic shock and dysregulated immune response is greater than if you get a vial with lower amounts

 According to Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist, what looks like microchips or nanotechnology in the liquid are actually stacked cholesterol, sugar and salt crystals, and what has been described as parasites are stellate trikons, found on the bottom of leaves. They’re likely a contaminant picked up at some point during the lab investigation

 

 

Del Bigbottom of The Highwire is the chief executive of the antivax group Informed Consent Action Network, and receives a salary of over $200,000 for his work. That's good pay for promoting the death of hundreds of thousands of people. 

 

Bigbottom's medical lies and misinformation include the idea that vaccines cause autism, that COVID vaccines cause diabetes, lupus and autoimmune diseases. There is no evidence for this, yet for business reasons, he propagates this misinformation. Bigbottom has no medical credentials whatsoever.

[Mind]

Del Bigbottom of The Highwire is the chief executive of the antivax group Informed Consent Action Network, and receives a salary of over $200,000 for his work. That's good pay for promoting the death of hundreds of thousands of people. 

 

Bigbottom's medical lies and misinformation include the idea that vaccines cause autism, that COVID vaccines cause diabetes, lupus and autoimmune diseases. There is no evidence for this, yet for business reasons, he propagates this misinformation. Bigbottom has no medical credentials whatsoever.

 

Typical non-sequitur and ad hominem attack - not addressing the issue. Several monitoring groups around the world have found contaminant problems and some nations have rejected some batches of the mRNA injections due to the problems. This is a fact. If Del Bigtree reports on these problems, it does not make it untrue.

 

Immune issues with the mRNA vaccines are a problem. You can debate how big the problem is, but several peer-reviewed papers have already pointed out these side effects. Recall that when mRNA vaccines therapeutics were tested on mice, they failed every time. One of the problems was ADE (peer-reviewed). These mRNA therapeutics have NEVER passed a legitimate human RCT trial.

[Hip]

Typical non-sequitur and ad hominem attack - not addressing the issue. Several monitoring groups around the world have found contaminant problems and some nations have rejected some batches of the mRNA injections due to the problems. This is a fact. If Del Bigtree reports on these problems, it does not make it untrue.

 

Elsewhere you just called Tony Fauci a raging megalomaniac with a massive ego. That's not an ad hominem attack?

 

 

I am aware that there are some quality control issues with the COVID vaccines, perhaps resulting from the requirements to produce billions of dose very very rapidly in order to save millions of lives. This in fact has been known for a long time, it's nothing new.

 

 

But given Bigbottom's propensity to lying and peddling medical misinformation, I would not trust his analysis of the significance of this vaccine quality control issue. Neither do I think he had the expertise to perform such an analysis. He is a very successful businessman, not a scientist.

 

The quality control might be a minor issue, but Bigbottom would hype it up, because he knows that hyped up misinformation is what gets gullible people's attention, and he make a lot of money out of the gullible. His business model is based on scaring the willies out of gullible people.

[healthmysteries31]

Former president of the Australian Medical Association claims she and her partner were seriously injured by the covid vaccine. What are the probabilities of this happening? Have there ever been similar reports with the flu or tetanus shot?.

 

https://www.news.com...65f5bf852a382cf

 

Health authorities around the world are in serious trouble if they supported mandatory vaccination. This was a medical experiment in which a significant number of people have been seriously harmed. If authorities had been transparent and given people the choice to make their own decisions it would be less problematic but since the choice was taken from many and this was marketed as well understood and perfectly safe treatment  this would be an unprecedented medical scandal.

Edited by healthmysteries31, 01 January 2023 - 09:43 AM.

[Mind]

More and more people are coming out and talking about the detrimental effects of the COVID injections. No wonder hardly anyone is getting any boosters. Like me, they all know someone who has suffered partial blindness, heart problems, strokes, tinnitus, etc. after getting the injections. The more that the "health" authorities keep dismissing the health issues of these people, the hotter the "pressure-cooker" will get.

 

All of the CDC lies and all of the disastrous failed pandemic responses not only has people skeptical of the COVID response, but also of vaccines in general. Vaccine skepticism used to be kind-of fringe. Now it is widespread. Barely 1 in 10 people in the U.S. have gotten the recent booster even though the government is running PSA's 24/7 on all kinds of media. People are now reviewing past data on the measles vaccine, the mumps vaccine, etc. They are even asking if there are any RCT studies proving that vaccines lower all-cause mortality.

[william7]

I’m watching to see how Governor DeSantis does with the Grand Jury investigation and the Public Health Integrity committee he’s working on. I’ll likely vote for him if he’s on the ballot for President. Hopefully his ideas spread to other States. 
 

https://www.theflsta...dard-newsletter

 

DeSantis Announces Florida Grand Jury Investigation to Hold Vaccine Manufacturers Accountable

The grand jury will investigate the potentially dangerous and deadly side effects the mRNA injections have had on Floridians.

JOSH MILLER

 

December 13, 2022 . 11:52 AM

 

TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA — Today, Governor Ron DeSantis announced that the State of Florida is impaneling a grand jury to review evidence to hold COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers accountable under Florida law.

“Today, I’m announcing a petition with the Supreme Court of Florida to impanel a statewide grand jury to investigate any and all wrongdoing in Florida with respect to the COVID-19 vaccines. We anticipate that we will get approval for that,” Governor DeSantis stated at a roundtable conference with medical professionals and vaccine injured citizens.

Speaking alongside Florida’s Surgeon General, Dr. Joseph Ladapo, the governor said the grand jury will investigate the potentially dangerous and deadly side effects of the mRNA injections to hold the manufacturers accountable.

Following the announcement, the governor and surgeon general held a special live roundtable event with leading healthcare practitioners and scientists. The roundtable also included very emotional testimony from vaccine-injured men and women.

DeSantis and Ladapo were joined by a panel of experts, including: Jay Bhattacharya, Professor of Medicine at Stanford University; Tracy Høeg, an epidemiologist and clinical researcher; Dr. Joseph Fraiman, Emergency Medicine Physician in New Orleans; Steve Templeton, Associate Professor of Microbiology & Immunology at Indiana University; Bret Weinstein, a public intellectual and former professor of evolutionary biology; Christine Stabell Benn, Professor in Global Health at the University of Southern Denmark and Martin Kulldorff, a biostatistician, epidemiologist and former professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.

SURVEILLANCE INVESTIGATION

At the roundtable, Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joseph Ladapo announced that the state of Florida will launch a surveillance investigation to uncover details related to sudden deaths associated with the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.

“We will answer this question. It is a question that I’m sure keeps the CEOs of Pfizer and Moderna up late at night, hoping no one ever looks,” said Ladapo. “We’re going to look here in Florida.”

The new Florida program will study deaths that occurred involving myocarditis within a few weeks of being vaccinated for COVID-19. The state plans to form a partnership with the University of Florida on research in collaboration with medical examiners across the state.

PUBLIC HEALTH INTEGRITY COMMITTEE

The governor and the surgeon general also announced that Florida will create a new Public Health Integrity committee that will provide Floridians, and other Americans, with public health recommendations.

“We’re bringing common sense back to public health recommendations,” said Ladapo. “We will be issuing recommendations that make sense and are scientifically valid.”

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Edited by william7, 02 January 2023 - 07:21 PM.

[healthmysteries31]

I would say that this is pretty strong evidence that sudden cardiac deaths following vaccines are  new unique pathology, not rare and not a coincidental event.

I wonder if it is possible to estimate the death rate from vaccination relying on these numbers?

 

example: 5% of adverse events are reported and 20% are causally related. That would mean death numbers are 4x of what is reported.

 

I just found data from Germany for vaccine related reported deaths. There have been a total of 2255.

 

https://amidwesternd...-dataset-of-the

 

To make an educated guess we can use the numbers from the German autopsy study (20% of reported vaccine deaths were found to be causally related)

 

For serious drug reactions the underreporting rates that I have found were 95%

 

In that case that would mean there  could have been a total of 9000 vaccine related deaths in Germany. That assumes there are no long-term effects that have killed people.

 

In Germany 127 million vaccinations have been given, that's 1 death for 14000 vaccinations.

 

These numbers don't sound impossible to me. They are high enough that people would notice there is  a problem but still low enough to ignore them.

 

Around 2700 Germans die each day, if you gave the vaccines over  a 12 month period that would be an excess death of 24 per day.

Edited by healthmysteries31, 03 January 2023 - 08:15 AM.

[Empiricus]

I am aware that there are some quality control issues with the COVID vaccines, perhaps resulting from the requirements to produce billions of dose very very rapidly in order to save millions of lives. This in fact has been known for a long time, it's nothing new

Quality control is expensive. There’s no incentive for the manufacturer to invest in QC because they are legally exempt from liability. 
 

Vaccines exist in a marketplace where the consumers are completely disempowered. Vaccine injured persons can’t even write about their experiences without being censored, can’t sue, can’t count on their own doctors not gaslighting them. 

[Hip]

Quality control is expensive. There’s no incentive for the manufacturer to invest in QC because they are legally exempt from liability. 
 

Vaccines exist in a marketplace where the consumers are completely disempowered. Vaccine injured persons can’t even write about their experiences without being censored, can’t sue, can’t count on their own doctors not gaslighting them. 

 

According to this article, the reason why Congress passed a law in 1986 that protects vaccine manufacturers from being sued relates to the fact that there were many complex vaccine-injury lawsuits where manufacturers had to pay out millions, even though it is difficult to actually prove that the vaccine caused the injury (which means it is also an area ripe for dishonest claims, and there are a lot of dishonest people).

 

Because of these lawsuits, manufacturers started pulling out of vaccine production. Thus the government made this law, because we need vaccines.

 

Of course, the governments themselves run vaccine injury compensation schemes; but that compensation money comes from the government, not the manufacturers.

 

 

 

I agree it is not ideal. But if you know of a better way of doing things, please post the details. 

Edited by Hip, 05 January 2023 - 03:31 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

Of course, the governments themselves run vaccine injury compensation schemes; but that compensation money comes from the government taxpayers, not the manufacturers.

 

 

 

Just a correction I always feel compelled to make whenever I see statements of this nature. The government has no money that it did not collect from it's citizens.

[Mind]

According to this article, the reason why Congress passed a law in 1986 that protects vaccine manufacturers from being sued relates to the fact that there were many complex vaccine-injury lawsuits where manufacturers had to pay out millions, even though it is difficult to actually prove that the vaccine caused the injury (which means it is also an area ripe for dishonest claims, and there are a lot of dishonest people).

 

Because of these lawsuits, manufacturers started pulling out of vaccine production. Thus the government made this law, because we need vaccines.

 

Of course, the governments themselves run vaccine injury compensation schemes; but that compensation money comes from the government, not the manufacturers.

 

 

 

I agree it is not ideal. But if you know of a better way of doing things, please post the details. 

 

A "loser pays" tort system like exists in much of Europe. That would help.

[bladedmind]

I've seen statements that half of all published medical studies can not be replicated. This was based on a sample of studies where replication was attempted.

 

John Ioannidis at Stanford, who triggered the replication crisis.  https://en.wikipedia.../John_Ioannidis

 

He's now officially a bad person because he criticized the official response to Covid-19.  Among other bad things he estimated 0.15% IFR

 

His methodology has been questioned on the replicability claim, but it is not something I've studied.   

[Empiricus]

According to this article, the reason why Congress passed a law in 1986 that protects vaccine manufacturers from being sued relates to the fact that there were many complex vaccine-injury lawsuits where manufacturers had to pay out millions, even though it is difficult to actually prove that the vaccine caused the injury (which means it is also an area ripe for dishonest claims, and there are a lot of dishonest people).

The “difficulty proving injuries” claim has been exaggerated to the point of absurdity in recent months, and there is nothing about vaccines that’s unique in this respect compared to other drugs etc. The reason we have courts, lawyers, trials and the whole machinery of justice is to determine if claims are legit. There are dishonest people plaguing every corner of the civil litigation system, but that doesn’t mean we absolve one industry from it. Why it happened with with vaccines is no longer a mystery.

[Mind]

John Ioannidis at Stanford, who triggered the replication crisis.  https://en.wikipedia.../John_Ioannidis

 

He's now officially a bad person because he criticized the official response to Covid-19.  Among other bad things he estimated 0.15% IFR

 

His methodology has been questioned on the replicability claim, but it is not something I've studied.   

 

Everyone who raises any rational counter argument to the pandemic response is essentially worse than terrorists - according the WHO.

[Daniel Cooper]

Everyone who raises any rational counter argument to the pandemic response is essentially worse than terrorists - according the WHO.

 

And that has been the biggest issue. All criticism of official positions on masks, vaccines, lock downs, vaccinating children, etc. etc. has been declared ex facie dangerous, illegitimate, and conspiratorial and therefore subject to official and unofficial censorship and potentially subjecting the author to loss of employment, loss of status, public shaming, etc.

 

Why do some of you think that there have been a number of conspiracy theories concerning covid? When the powerful tell the public "you aren't allowed to talk about these things" people are going to figure there's a reason. And they will not generally attribute altruistic motives to these actions.

 

People were silenced, taken off social media, lost jobs, had friends and coworkers turn their backs on them and we're now seeing this big push to "forgive and forget" without any real admission of wrongdoing or an apology proffered? That's asking a bit much.

[Gal220]

John Campbell has been slow to come around but he is getting there

 

More doses of vaccine, the more covid infections occur - cleveland clinic study of 50,000 people for 3 months

https://rumble.com/v...infections.html

 

 

Confirmed by Ethical Skeptic

https://twitter.com/...125529689444353

 

"One can deny any single snapshot of data through casuistry, rhetoric, and deflection. 

 

However, one cannot deny consistent momentum in data dynamics, compared consistently over time.

 

Now a 7:1 appetite in the virus for the recently vaccinated."

 

 

Campbell on the alarming excess death in the UK

https://twitter.com/...294328962600961

 

":24,440 NON-COVID UK excess deaths since May 2022

 

We are now seeing more excess deaths a week than in 2020 or 2021."

[geo12the]

Hot off the press:

 

Same-Day Deaths After COVID-19 Vaccinations: Autopsy Findings in 54 Cases

Manu, Peter MD

 

"These data indicate that same-day deaths after COVID-19 vaccination are extraordinary infrequent. They support a nationwide survey showing no positive association between acute myocardial infarction and pulmonary embolism, common causes of sudden death, in persons receiving mRNA-based vaccines during the 3 weeks following the administration of either the first or the second dose.11 Arterial thrombotic events have been reported after adenovirus-based vaccines,11 but the association is not apparent among the published cases of same-day death.

 

Vaccinations campaigns prior to the COVI-19 pandemic have led to a mortality rate of 1/1,000 within one day of the innoculation.12 This rate reflects a large number of vaccines as well as anaphylactic events. It seems reasonable to assume that the same-day rate of death for a single vaccine might be in a very large range, going from 1/1,000 to 1/1,000,000. The most conservative death rate of 1/1,000,000 would translate, for the COVID-vaccinated population in the Unites States, to at least 224 cases, but none have been reported in the literature as of October 2022."

[healthmysteries31]

 

Hot off the press:

 

Same-Day Deaths After COVID-19 Vaccinations: Autopsy Findings in 54 Cases

 

 

This looks like a really bad study. Their reasoning is every person that dies because of a vaccine will be autopsied and reported in the medical literature and if there are no autopsies that must mean no one died. You could as well say covid killed only few people because we have only a limited number of covid autopsies in the literature.

 

For some reason they also focus on people who die within 1 day after vaccination even though deaths can happen at least 2 weeks later. Why would you do that unless you wanted to make the number of possible deaths as small as possible?

 

They also complain about vaccine misinformation on social media which suggests this was motived by countering what they deem to be misinformation instead of trying to figure out what is happening.

 

In Germany for example they had 40000 deaths after the vaccine (if 95% underreportring rate) I don't think we have more than  a few dozen autopsies reported in Germany.

 

They also claim they have not been able to find more 2 deaths in the medical literature. It takes you 5 minutes to find a single study with more than 2 deaths but maybe this is because they limit the search to same day deaths.

 

To me this looks like we pretend we are looking a bit but not too much so that we can claim everything is fine.

 

This is the type of study that will be blasted all over the media in case another study is published that finds more deaths than are convenient.

Edited by healthmysteries31, 07 January 2023 - 10:23 PM.