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[Mind]

It is well established that the COVID injections do not stop transmission of the disease/virus. This is peer-reviewed science. Multiple top "health" bureaucrats have stated publicly that the COVID injections do not stop transmission. The FDA itself has stated multiple times that there is no evidence to demonstrate the injections can prevent transmission - yet they (the FDA) REFUSE to change the labelling on the injections to state this fact! 

 

If you didn't believe that the FDA is incompetent and corrupt, maybe you will believe it now.

[Gal220]

Starting to sort of regret my three Pfizer shots. I was adviced to take them by Finnish health care as I was in a risk-group because of certain health condition. I haven't experienced side effects that I could really point, but who knows what's going underneath.

 

I see Nattokinase or NAC + Bromelain recommended the most to detox the spike protein

 

I would probably alternate them for month, both are mild blood thinners so watch blood pressure

 

 

See this video(start in at 22:05)

Edited by Gal220, 15 June 2023 - 05:41 AM.

[Galaxyshock]

I see Nattokinase or NAC + Bromelain recommended the most to detox the spike protein

 

I would probably alternate them for month, both are mild blood thinners so watch blood pressure

 

Thanks. What are the recommended doses? I can buy 100 grams of NAC for €8.95 so I would probably start there. Nattokinase and Bromelain seem to be more expensive. My supplement budget is a bit low right now but surely it would be wise to do this detox protocol so I'll cut something else out of my stack.

[smithx]

A 14 day course of metformin reduces long covid likelihood by 63% when started by day 3 of symptoms.

 

Summary:

https://www.cidrap.u...vent-long-covid

 

The paper (vs Ivermectin and fluvoxamine)
https://www.thelance...0299-2/fulltext

 

The dosage:

All study drugs were oral medications in tablet form. The metformin dose was titrated over 6 days: 500 mg on day 1, 500 mg twice daily on days 2–5, then 500 mg in the morning and 1000 mg in the evening up to day 14.

 

[gamesguru]

It is well established that the COVID injections do not stop transmission of the disease/virus.

 

That's correct. But it does reduce the likelihood of extreme illness or hospitalization, and it did reduce hospital capacity during the critical phase of the pandemic.

 

Same is true of the flu vaccine.

 

The truth about the flu shot: It may not always prevent illness, but it will reduce risk of death
https://www.nbcnews....ness-ncna854456

 

What are the specific adverse effects associated with the vaccine? Are they long-term or acute?

 

The collective symptoms of fatigue, myalgia, arthralgia, dizziness, and headache were significantly associated with Sinopharm vaccine (P = .04). This was further confirmed by general linear multivariate model analysis. Less than 20% of COVID-19 vaccine recipients may complain of LTAEs that are mostly fatigue-related. It seems that factors such as age, gender, and medical status play a negligible role in development of these AEs. On the other hand, Sinopharm vaccine showed the highest significant association with these AEs followed by AstraZeneca vaccine.

 

But then another study in mid 2022 finds the vaccine is generally justified.

 

...vaccine efficacy of 70% against COVID-19 cases and 80% against hospitalization, and unlikely, pessimistic, non-zero vaccine-attributable myocarditis death rate. For males 16-17 years old, the model predicts prevented COVID cases, hospitalizations, ICUs, and deaths of 13577, 127, 41, and 1, respectively; while the predicted ranges for excess myocarditis/pericarditis cases, hospitalizations, and deaths attributable to the vaccine are [98-196], [98-196], and 0, respectively, for the worst-case scenario. Considering the different clinical implications of hospitalization due to COVID-19 infection versus vaccine-attributable myocarditis/pericarditis cases, we determine the benefits still outweigh the risks even for this high-risk subgroup. Our results demonstrate that the benefits of the vaccine outweigh its risks for all age and sex subgroups we analyze in this study.

 

Afaik, the risks are generally acute. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

And chronic ones may be similar to infection with the disease itself, e.g. arthralgia.

 

What makes Goepfert think that scientists won’t discover previously unsuspected problems caused by COVID vaccines in the years ahead?

There are several reasons.

    Vaccines are eliminated quickly
    Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all
    Our COVID vaccine experience during the past six months

Vaccines, given in one- or two-shot doses, are very different from medicines that people take every day, potentially for years, Goepfert says. And decades of vaccine history — plus data from more than a billion people who have received COVID vaccines since December 2020 — both provide powerful proof that there is little chance that any new dangers will emerge from COVID vaccines.

[DanCG]

That's correct. But it does reduce the likelihood of extreme illness or hospitalization, and it did reduce hospital capacity during the critical phase of the pandemic.

 

Same is true of the flu vaccine.

 

The truth about the flu shot: It may not always prevent illness, but it will reduce risk of death
https://www.nbcnews....ness-ncna854456

 

What are the specific adverse effects associated with the vaccine? Are they long-term or acute?

 

 

But then another study in mid 2022 finds the vaccine is generally justified.

 

 

Afaik, the risks are generally acute. But please correct me if I'm wrong.

And chronic ones may be similar to infection with the disease itself, e.g. arthralgia.

Where do your 2^nd and 3^rd quotes come from?, they are not from the NBC story, which was entirely about flu vaccine.

 

In any case, the 3^rd quote (and you) seems to be totally ignoring the fact that the covid vaccines use an entirely different technology than the flu vaccines.

 

“Vaccines are eliminated quickly”

That may be true of other vaccines. That’s what we were told would happen with the mRNA vaccines. That’s not what did happen.

 

“Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all”

This had been been the historical experience with other vaccines. mRNA vaccines packaged in lipid nanoparticles had never been done before. There are no "decades of research" with these vaccines. 

 

“Afaik, the risks are generally acute.”

Well, the jury is still out on that one. Just one link to point you in the right direction

[WiryLeery]

Well, the jury is still out on that one. Just one link to point you in the right direction

 

The article "Analysis comparing Japanese and German mortality once again finds substantial spike in deaths corresponding to the mass administration of Covid vaccines" presents a flawed and misleading analysis of the long-term effects of Covid vaccines. The author cherry-picks data from Germany and Japan, suggesting a correlation between mass vaccination and increased mortality. However, the analysis lacks crucial scientific rigor and fails to consider other factors that could explain the observed trends.

 

The article's reliance on anecdotal evidence and limited statistical analysis undermines its credibility. It ignores the vast body of scientific research demonstrating the safety and effectiveness of Covid vaccines. Moreover, the article's dismissal of the impact of the virus itself on mortality rates is unfounded and contradicts the overwhelming evidence.

 

It is important to rely on reputable scientific sources and peer-reviewed studies for a comprehensive understanding of vaccine effects. Misleading interpretations of data like those presented in this article contribute to vaccine hesitancy and undermine public health efforts to combat the pandemic.

[gamesguru]

Where do your 2^nd and 3^rd quotes come from?, they are not from the NBC story, which was entirely about flu vaccine.

 

In any case, the 3^rd quote (and you) seems to be totally ignoring the fact that the covid vaccines use an entirely different technology than the flu vaccines.

 

“Vaccines are eliminated quickly”

That may be true of other vaccines. That’s what we were told would happen with the mRNA vaccines. That’s not what did happen.

 

“Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all”

This had been been the historical experience with other vaccines. mRNA vaccines packaged in lipid nanoparticles had never been done before. There are no "decades of research" with these vaccines.

 

I didn't quote the article about the flu at all.

 

The 1st quote is a retrospective investigation: https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/35240939/. 2nd is a simulation study: https://pubmed.ncbi.....gov/35370016/. And the 3rd is an educational resource: https://www.uab.edu/...tmpl=component.

 

It is a new technology, true, so some skepticism may be warranted.

 

The way I see it there are two objections, either to the lipid nanoparticle delivery mechanism, or to the mRNA material itself. Lipid nanoparticles have a slightly longer history than COVID vaccines themselves, and are generally believed to be benign and cleared from the system quickly. The same can be said of the mRNA itself, which encodes spike proteins but itself dissipates rapidly. mRNA is broken down rapidly by enzymes in the bloodstream and in the body once its code is translated to make protein.

 

In that way it works like any other vaccine, by supplying inactivated virus or otherwise the relevant spike proteins to stimulate an immune response. Since mRNA is a single stranded messenger molecule, it doesn't interact with, bind to, alter or encode anything directly onto our cells' DNA.

 

But i invite you to list out or provide sources for any long-term negative effects which may have been discovered.

 

If mRNA vaccines are not "cleared quickly", do you have any case reports or suspected mechanism behind the supposed accumulation or possible side effects?

 

 

“Afaik, the risks are generally acute.”

Well, the jury is still out on that one. Just one link to point you in the right direction

The quoted article deals primarily with an argument about excess mortality, but doesn't go into specifics about adverse protracted effects (biological side-effects cropping up months or years down the line).

 

I am still looking for a list of supposed long-term effects and evidence of them.

[WiryLeery]

According to an article on FactCheck.org, excess deaths are not linked to the COVID-19 vaccines.

 

The "Vaccine Damage Project", alleges that vaccines caused 310,000 excess deaths among Americans aged 25-64 in 2021 & 2022. However, the report uses questionable estimates and faulty logic to support its claims. And the report does not stand in accordance with the overwhelming majority of scientific evidence to the contrary.

 

Excess deaths in those years were primarily driven by COVID and other factors, not vaccination. Deaths due to drug overdoses, motor vehicle accidents, and homicide also rose during the pandemic.

 

The vaccines have been shown to reduce the risk of death from COVID-related complications and have undergone (and continue to undergo) extensive safety monitoring.

 

Vaccine-Associated Myocarditis Risk in Context: Emerging Evidence

Across nearly 250,000,000 million patients studied on three continents, the individual risk of VAM in the general population is between 0.002% and 0.004%, depending on vaccine. Even among the highest risk subpopulation of teenage males, the individual risk of VAM is approximately 0.011%.

 

Meta-analysis showcases the long-term benefits of COVID-19 vaccines against hospitalization & death

 

Evaluation of mortality attributable to SARS-CoV-2 vaccine administration using national level data from Qatar

In conclusion, deaths attributable to SARS-CoV-2 vaccination are extremely rare and lower than the overall crude mortality rate in Qatar.

 

Risk of death following COVID-19 vaccination or positive SARS-CoV-2 test in young people, England: 8 December 2020 to 25 May 2022

This difference in populations means that results for this subpopulation, such as the increase in risk of cardiac-related deaths for females after the first dose of an mRNA vaccine, may be influenced by the characteristics of this group, and may not be generalisable to the population as a whole.

 

Racial and Ethnic Disparities in Estimated Excess Mortality From External Causes in the US, March to December 2020

Estimated excess deaths were primarily attributable to homicides, drug overdoses, and transportation fatalities (Figure).

 

The Young were not Spared: What Death Certificates Reveal about Non-Covid Excess Deaths

Other data on drug addictions, non-fatal shootings, weight gain, and cancer screenings point to a historic, yet largely unacknowledged, health emergency.

 

 

 

I found even more sources even on this wikipedia page, under the section "Vaccines as a cause of death".

 

Data from vaccine reporting site being misrepresented online

 

How a well-meaning U.S. government database fuels dangerous vaccine misinformation

 

Federal VAERS database is a critical tool for researchers, but a breeding ground for misinformation

 

Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not kill more people than they save; FDA experts did not make this false claim

 

Fact Check-VAERS data does not suggest COVID-19 vaccines killed 150,000 people, as analysis claims

[Dorian Grey]

That's quite an impressive post Wiry.  Almost computer like syntax & formatting, and remarkable ability to swiftly access multiple sources with ease.  

 

Are you a carbon, or silicon based life form?  What are your preferred pronouns?  

 

Have you ever heard of ChatGPT?  It's an Artificial Intelligence chatbot, developed by OpenAI.  

 

You seem to have a lot in common with this new technology.  Are you & ChatGPT friends?  

[WiryLeery]

While I can see how my general verbiage might resemble the output of an AI model, the fact that I reference studies from 2023 (and other idiosyncrasies, such as accidentally broken hyperlinks) seem to suggest I am of human origin and a relatively technical background.

 

I don't know if ChatGPT would abruptly quote sources in a Wikipedia page to augment its own research, but I suppose these things are advancing at a near exponential rate, and can be asked to do or imitate anything. Soon it will be impossible to differentiate them from people or from the original ideas of people. I imagine this advancement is causing problems with high-school English teachers who are trying to enforce plagiarism.

 

I've definitely played around with generative AI (like ChatGPT and MidJourney), and while I enjoyed some of the responses, I found they were not 100% reliable or aware of all information, and I make sure the opinions I express (and the fact-finding done behind them) are my own. I definitely used it in stressful situations where I would have normally become upset, and its cerebral calmness has almost become part of me. Although I'm sure I will still slip up and unwittingly cause tensions or drama.

 

So while I'm partly flattered by the suggestion, I don't find it adds to the discussion, and I don't think it's fair to assume based on apparently well-edited posts, a cohesive flow of ideas, or impressive bibliography. I may be a bit withdrawn and verbose but there are other reasons this could be the case, and other evidence to suggest I'm not a robot. I'm a male identify with he/him, and may or may not have a slight case of OCD.

 

Broken hyperlink: https://www.longecit...e-4#entry924275

 

One alternative hypothesis is that I am skilled with keywords in the Google Scholar database, and that research supporting my viewpoint is abundant so I did not have to look far or search hard to turn up positive results. The links from the Wikipedia article are not from peer-reviewed journals, they are press releases which showcase my tendency to consult Wikpedia early on in my research process. Which news outlets, blogs, journals or other sources do you typically consult first?

 

I am sure the selection of peer-reviewed studies I presented is limited, could be subject to biases, and improved upon. But I feel it serves as a useful starting point for future conversations, and I could probably turn up more studies with additional searching (which would lend more credence to the ideas I have briefly expounded upon earlier in this thread).

 

There have also been invitations made in this thread to suggest mechanisms of vaccine-associated mortality (and to breakdown percentages on different causes of vaccine-associated mortality), rather than just extrapolating from the John Hopkins study on the number of excess deaths. I think, overall, this thread contains ample material for debate and I'm happy to be engaging in someone with alternative viewpoints.

[Dorian Grey]

Sorry for the miscue, I had read & responded to your initial introductory post, where you seemed to indicate you were very keen on exploring longevity issues: 

 

https://www.longecit...ng-the-journey/

 

"Hello everyone!

 

I'm excited to join this life extension forum and be a part of this thriving community. I stumbled upon this forum while exploring the fascinating world of longevity and researching ways to enhance our well-being and extend our lifespan.

 

As someone who values health and seeks to optimize my own potential, I am eager to connect with like-minded individuals who share a passion for life extension. I believe that by sharing knowledge, experiences, and ideas, we can collectively push the boundaries of what is possible in terms of human longevity.

 

I'm particularly interested in discussions surrounding cutting-edge research, anti-aging strategies, and practical approaches to optimizing health. I look forward to engaging in insightful conversations, learning from experts, and contributing my own thoughts and experiences to this community.

 

Let's embark on this journey together and explore the exciting possibilities that lie ahead in our quest for longer, healthier lives!

 

Best regards,

J"

 

I was surprised to find you discovered and gravitated immediately to our rather obscure COVID section, where you seem to be quite keen on parroting out the often obsolete narratives issued by the government alphabet agencies over the years.  

 

The pandemic is largely over mate...  High time we got back to the business of longevity, and perhaps stop obsessing about the past?  You might wish to check out our main page: 

 

https://www.longecity.org/forum/

 

We have quite a few topics related to longevity there.  Hope to see you exploring the rest of our site soon.  

 

Cheers!  

[WiryLeery]

I will certainly join in on other discussions when I feel comfortable. For now I am limited to 5 posts per day, and the COVID section was the only one which seemed to be thriving.

 

It's misleading to state that I am simply parroting mainstream narratives, and that my views are therefore mistaken. I'm conducting a balanced review of the literature, scrutinizing sources, and sometimes performing statistical analysis of my own. This comprehensive approach helps assure the validity of my findings. Always follow established standards of literature review and consult multiple primary sources.

 

Characterizing me as parroting the mainstream narrative does not prove or disprove my specific claims. Mainstream narratives can be right or wrong, and it's important to debate the specifics before arriving at a conclusion. A healthy and nuanced discussion lies at the heart of any scientific advancement.

 

What I'm doing is requesting evidence to support the specific claims made in this thread, having presented evidence to support my own. I do not feel it is appropriate to dismiss my comments as parroting. I prefer to center my discussions around facts and peer-reviewed journals rather than people and perceived tendencies.

Edited by WiryLeery, 18 June 2023 - 07:11 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

I'm not above apologizing if I've been brusque, but many of us have been here since day one debating the various issues, and it gets a bit old starting anew at some point.  Perhaps I'm just getting old & grumpy.  

 

They told us we had to lock down for 2 weeks to flatten the curve, & that it was not a lab leak, but an act of God.  They told us masks were magic shields that prevented transmission.  They told us vaccines were the only way to end the pandemic, and this is why mandates were necessary.  They told us not to bother with Vitamin-D or Zinc, but to just wear a mask.  They told us cheap, traditionally safe (over the counter in many countries) generic meds were too dangerous for outpatient use, and extensive RCTs were required for any potential repurposed meds, while thousands died every week.  

 

We were all jabbed, boosted & masked to the max when omicron swept the globe in January-March 2022.  By April, we were done with mask mandates, and vaccines started sitting in refrigerators till they expired and were thrown out. VAERS has had more reports of vaccine related injury & death since 2021 than the rest of history combined. 

 

https://openvaers.com/

 

1,563,950 COVID Vaccine Adverse Event Reports / 35,347 COVID Vaccine Reported Deaths

 

The evidence speaks for itself.  

 

Now, just over a year since the pandemic essentially ended, we've got folks coming out of the woodwork re-remembering things entirely different than what actually happened.  Sorry, but it's difficult to sit by & watch.  I'll try & bite my tongue from here on out.  

 

Carry on!  

[WiryLeery]

I did not get the impression of grumpiness, but I sensed some unwelcomeness. Being grumpy is part of human nature, at least for me. It can be frustrating to have to defend one's position against what feels like an endless line of inquiry.

 

It can also be frustrating when medical advice and mandates keep changing and going on longer than initially promised. I maintained adherence for some time and expected others to do the same, but eventually I too grew weary of the restrictions and felt the inconvenience of being told to wear a mask. But I feel I arrived at this feeling in a more roundabout manner, and there are still additional issues we would not feel the same about or fully agree on. For example I feel I still probably should have worn my mask a bit longer, even if I got lazy about it.

 

Authority is always an inconvenience. We are constantly told not to do something without a doctor's permission. I don't see the recommendations against vitamin D and zinc as anything other than cautious pessimism. No Gestapo are coming around to our houses or raiding us of these supplements.

 

I can sympathize with the feeling that extensive RCTs can delay promising treatments from reaching the limelight, although as later confirmed by follow up reviews this seems not to be the case. Medications can have side effects. And telling people something works (when it might not) can cause immense strain on supply chains. It's important to consider economic and social as well as medical factors.

 

Please also note that while it is possible the virus originated under man-made circumstances, most credible evidence does not point in this direction but rather the zoonotic hypothesis (for example the initial cases occurred in a tight geographical region around the wet market and this has been validated by multiple high impact journals [ https://www.science....science.abp8715 ][ https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC9348752/ ]). However, I will admit this is a contentious point and it seems to evade certainty. Although a lab leak cannot be ruled out, it would not have been intentional, and speculating on political consequences seems futile.

 

Masks served as a moderately effective means of reducing transmission. Putting a barrier between mucous membranes does not increase transmission.

 

The OpenVAERS database is open to the public, so anyone can submit adverse events. The database includes data outside the US. And doctors are required to report cases even if they could be explained by existing illness. I also noticed most of the non-fatal events were reported in 2022, which is at odds with the fact that vaccinations occurred primarily in 2021.

 

If you search "is OpenVAERS reliable," you'll find various critical perspectives on the issue. It certainly raised concerns for me.

 

It is important to rely on official and peer-reviewed sources for accurate information on vaccine adverse events, and to conduct a thorough, multifaceted investigation before arriving at conclusions. Scrutinizing sources is one area where many of us can improve.

 

If you start to apply preliminary evaluation to your sources you can increase the quality of information you consume. According to scribbr and the APA toolkit you can use the CRAAP test to evaluate the credibility of sources.

CRAAP test

One of the best ways to evaluate source credibility is the CRAAP test. This stands for:

 

Currency: Does the source reflect recent research?

Relevance: Is the source related to your research topic?

Authority: Is it a respected publication? Is the author an expert in their field?

Accuracy: Does the source support its arguments and conclusions with evidence?

Purpose: What is the author’s intention?

[Gal220]

Cleveland Clinic reporting more vaccines = more likely infected

 

"The study involving 48,344 Cleveland Clinic employees found that those not fully vaccinated had a lower COVID-19 risk"

 

https://twitter.com/...179707613073412

https://twitter.com/...568399078846466

https://www.medrxiv....0893v1.full.pdf

https://twitter.com/...src=typed_query

 

Edited by Gal220, 19 June 2023 - 07:44 AM.

[Gal220]

How do covid adverse reaction reports compare to other vaccines?  More than all of them combined for 30+ years

 

https://twitter.com/...652096352657409

 

https://twitter.com/...2657409/photo/1

[WiryLeery]

It's important to consider factors impacting this research, such as immunity by prior COVID infection (and its recency or strength). Other behavioral factors (such as tendency to live in a city or be highly social) may impact the likelihood of contracting COVID more than vaccination status.

 

This is also a preliminary finding from a Cleveland Clinic study. Non-published or draft papers should be interpreted with caution.

 

As with any issue in science, there is rarely absolute consensus. So it is possible to find individual studies with unexpected results, but when viewed in the greater context of peer-reviewed data it often becomes insignificant. This is where the importance of proper meta-analysis comes in.

 

While it is true there have been reactions to the COVID vaccine, it's important to quantify this (e.g. moderate vs. severe, mild or hospitalization). The COVID vaccine has also been administered in unprecedented numbers, with approximately half the planet being jabbed by this point. So it is not unexpected to have seen some adverse events. COVID may also be a harsher virus than the flu and therefore stimulate a more extensive and inflammatory immune response.

 

It remains important to obtain data on adverse events from reputable and primary sources, while also bearing in mind that the number of deaths caused by COVID far exceeds any reported adverse reactions to the vaccine.

[Dorian Grey]

https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index.jsp

 

Warning: Knowingly filing a false VAERS report with the intent to mislead the Department of Health and Human Services is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment.

[Mind]

According to FOI requests, the MHRA "missed" safety signals for the COVID injections. The recording of COVID injection adverse events is likely orders of magnitude lower than the real number of events.

[adamh]

We seem to be debating the effectiveness of the so called covid vaccine. What I do not see debated much at all is whether this was all just a big mistake on the part of medical and political authorities, or was it an attempt to reduce the population? In other words, was it just a series of errors or deliberate genocide? If it was deliberate, then it was an attempt at genocide by the definition of those words

 

I know this is drifting into conspiracy territory but the difference between conspiracy theory and proven fact has become a matter of months. When approved and long used artificial sweeteners are shown to be harmful, instead of recalling them like so many previously green lighted drugs that turn out to have terrible side effects, they now argue and obfuscate rather than recall them. So it is with the covid shot, I will not call it a vaccine because it isn't one. When the truth began coming out, there was a coordinated effort by all major media, the government and its agencies plus 'do gooder' people who ruthlessly and relentlessly attacked those who spoke up

 

Those who refused the shot, many lost their jobs, some doctors lost their medical licenses. Compare that to the drug thalidomide which when it was shown to cause birth defects, it was pulled. The doctors who revealed the truth were not attacked. The media was sympathetic to the victims and wanted that drug pulled. And so it was done. Compare that to the reaction against those who spoke against the shot. Instead of "lets do some more tests" it was to totally attack anyone who spoke out. Doctors were smeared, lost hospital privileges etc. Even a passing look at the results would show the difference was like night and day. 

 

Why then, why is and was there so much resistance to news about the bad effects? Was there a group pushing this and what might be their motive? Some say the 'elites', the bilderberg group, people like that have decided that the world is overpopulated and the only solution is to drastically lower the population. They say the shot is one method they are using to reach that end. That remains to be proven but the coordination not just in usa but world wide was breathtaking. All media was mobilized to spread the word the shot was good and you better get it, despite more and more reports of deaths and illnesses. Why did none of the media, the investigative reporters we hear about try to dig to the bottom? A few tried and got cancelled, dr Mallone for example, a few media people who didn't get the memo, spoke up and are no longer working

 

Was there ever another disease or condition in which the treatment was never tested? Apparently they tested it on mice, results were not good but they approved it anyway. No primate tests, no small scale human tests, just rush it into production and force people to take it. Government and media streamed constant fear porn, covid was worse than aids, cancer or putin all put together. It turned out that most of those who died of covid died from being put on a ventilator or because they had several co-morbidities. Anyone who died and sneezed one time was listed as a covid death regardless if they died of a heart attack or cancer. Automobile deaths were sometimes credited to covid. This was a carefully orchestrated effort to create panic.

 

Many people were pressured into taking it or to keep quiet about it. Doctors displayed their true motivations by not quitting, taking the shot and advising patients to take it also. They were either totally ignorant and believed what they were told or the thought of losing their career or losing their present hospital job made them willfully ignore what was happening. They saw first hand patients getting sick immediately afterward, cancer in remission came back, so on and so on plus they caught covid more than anyone

 

The psychological pressure on the average person was intense. You could lose your job, be denied entry to restaurants, gyms, any venue. In new york city I heard they are still doing that. We were told that the only way not to die was to get the shot. And, even though children were the least at risk, they pushed the shots on them as well. Anyone who took the shot did not want to hear that they just made a huge mistake. I got a lot of pushback, but I may have saved a few people. 

 

So the media is still covering it up, nothing but lies come from the government and its agencies. You have to do your own research. Do not trust authority figures, check and double check. At this point, anything said by government you should first suspect its a lie and check to see. Do not take their word for anything, your life is at stake

 

[Mind]

After a health conference in Germany, people were tested for COVID. 109 tested positive for COVID. ALL OF THEM WERE VACCINATED!

 

The injections don't work very well and come with serious and deadly side effects. We should be striving for more innovative treatments.

[Mind]

Fauci/Collins/CDC knew right away that the COVID injections didn't work, as FOIA requested emails show. They knew there were breakthrough cases GALORE!

 

Yet, what did they say publicly? "Safe and Effective" - and that people should be coerced into getting the injections. It was immediately obvious to the general public right away that the injections did not stop anyone from getting COVID. Everyone who got the shots ended up getting COVID anyway, yet our public "health" leaders continued to lie. They censored anyone who disagreed with their unscientific "safe and effective" narrative. They threatened the jobs of doctors, health practitioners, researchers who raised any questions. YET THEY KNEW all along that the injections did not work.

 

Remember, even the NY Times complained about the CDC hiding data. Now we know why the CDC was lying and hiding data from the public.

 

I suspect an avalanche of lawsuits are coming - even in Canada they are filing lawsuits.

 

People are still under the impression that Fauci/Collins/Birx/Walensky had the best of intentions and did the best they could. Based upon the evidence this is false. Public health officials need to be held to a high ethical standard, considering the power they wield. In the US and UK we have the least ethical and least competent health leaders. They need to be fired. They need to be criminally investigated.

Edited by Mind, 27 June 2023 - 05:36 PM.

[smithx]

https://openvaers.com/

 

1,563,950 COVID Vaccine Adverse Event Reports / 35,347 COVID Vaccine Reported Deaths

 

The evidence speaks for itself. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/OpenVAERS

 

OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner.[1][2] The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.[

 

[Dorian Grey]

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/OpenVAERS

 

The actual VAERS data isn't secret, but simply difficult to find.  OpenVAERS is supposed to be a relatively simple shortcut.  Perhaps providing the data in an easy to access format might be considered AntiVax, but then any person or entity questioning anything to do with the vaccine program might be considered AntiVax.  

 

Is it possible there are NO serious adverse events or deaths from the COVID vaccines?  Why might this data be so carefully hidden?  

 

Can you find the actual cumulative/combined COVID stats for all the various vaccines from VAERS & report them here for us?  It might be enlightening to see how far off they actually are.  

 

I'm sure the accurate info is out there...  Can you find it?  

[smithx]

Here's an example study of almost 9 million patients. It's not the entire world, but is big enough to make a pretty good estimate of what the actual adverse effects are.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...es/PMC10283124/

 

Their conclusion was:

 

Our results show that the COVID-19 vaccine has a similar adverse events rate to the influenza vaccine. We found 20 types of potential COVID-19 vaccine-related adverse events that may need further investigation.

 

 

 

 

Can you find the actual cumulative/combined COVID stats for all the various vaccines from VAERS & report them here for us?  It might be enlightening to see how far off they actually are.

[Dorian Grey]

Why not simply look into VAERS?  The program specifically designed to document & tabulate Vaccine Adverse Events.  

 

"VAERS is co-sponsored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), agencies of the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services"

 

"The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in vaccines used in the United States."

 

Why look at processed data reports when we can get the raw data directly from VAERS? 

 

Show me the data!  

[smithx]

Why not simply look into VAERS?  The program specifically designed to document & tabulate Vaccine Adverse Events.  

 

"VAERS is co-sponsored by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), agencies of the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services"

 

"The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in vaccines used in the United States."

 

Why look at processed data reports when we can get the raw data directly from VAERS? 

 

Show me the data!  

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...es/PMC10043970/

 

This is probably as good as it gets. If you want to do your own statistical analyses, go right ahead and post them here.

 

Edited by smithx, 28 June 2023 - 06:40 AM.

[Gal220]

Recent freedom of information request from Australia 

"https://twitter.com/...00823787368449"

 

"Cardiac admissions to hospitals in the 20-29 year old group in Victoria started to rise in July 2021 -coincidently as the vaccines were started to be rolled out in that age group.

 

Cardiac hospitalisations then peaked in October 2021, at unprecedented rates - more than 150% above average - again coincidentally as the number of vaccines being administered peak."

[Gal220]

https://www.ncbi.nlm...es/PMC10043970/

 

This is probably as good as it gets. If you want to do your own statistical analyses, go right ahead and post them here.

 

Cardiac data in the previous post is no doubt available in most countries, governments are intentionally hiding data  that is injuring our younger population

 

This journalist has been using FOI of information to publish much of the harms in MASS., but he also makes this point here

https://twitter.com/...424510967709696

 

"Why aren’t any of these people asking for the simple solution of correlating a state’s immunization registry to the vital records and Medicaid databases? One man-week work to end it all"

 

 

Data is available, if it wasn't so bad, it would be made public