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[geo12the]

You know, there are people who pay other people to go on websites, and just argue, and disagree with anyone who does not not agree their interests, or point of view.

 

Do you think that could be happening here?

 

Do you really think that just because someone presents a point of view that is different, they must be paid by someone? That does happen in Russia where they have the famous troll farm that spreads propaganda. But I seriously doubt it is happening in our little internet backwater here LOL. Personally I am very analytical, skeptical and try to have an open mind about things and try to see all sides of an argument. But the anti-vax hysteria I see here, where data is cherry picked and presented in distorted ways, and is pushed by internet gurus and politicized websites to play on peoples fears and distrust of authority  is fake. And I think mine is the majority view. 

Edited by geo12the, 25 August 2023 - 04:09 PM.

[Mind]

Do you really think that just because someone presents a point of view that is different, they must be paid by someone? That does happen in Russia where they have the famous troll farm that spreads propaganda. But I seriously doubt it is happening in our little internet backwater here LOL. Personally I am very analytical, skeptical and try to have an open mind about things and try to see all sides of an argument. But the anti-vax hysteria I see here, where data is cherry picked and presented in distorted ways, and is pushed by internet gurus and politicized websites to play on peoples fears and distrust of authority  is fake. And I think mine is the majority view. 

 

Distrust of authority?!

 

The CDC publicly admitted to lying about tracking COVID vax adverse events. The CDC continues to hide data from the public regarding case level data, adverse events, case numbers, etc... The only reason we are getting any data about the COVID injections is through force of law. The FDA is rubber-stamping new "vaccines" without any RCT trials (including the new Moderna injection for "Eris"). The public "health" authorities pushed all kinds of ridiculous pandemic measures that did NOTHING to stop the spread of COVID, and they are trying it again. Why should people not ask questions?

 

Speaking of the CDC, they are now trying to hide adverse events from the COVID injections. This violates US law, but the CDC doesn't seem to care.

 

In addition, posters in these discussions have provided hundreds of peer-reviewed studies which contradict "official government guidance". Who are the ones ignoring the evidence again?

 

Usually, many people are rationally skeptical when money is influencing medical decisions - but not now. Some posters in these COVID discussions think everyone should just shut up and take whatever the big pharma/media companies say we should take. Most of the national cable outlets get the vast majority of their ad money from big pharma. Are we not supposed to think about this incestuous relationship?

 

Nothing says failure like the President saying a new COVID booster "that works" will be free for everyone, funded by the government. What a terrible "vaccine" - just like the flu vaccine. Every variant evades the most recent injection. Protection fades after a few weeks (peer-reviewed). Shot, after shot, after shot, means hundreds of billions of dollars for Pfizer and Moderna. Nothing to see here.

[joesixpack]

The CDC has removed VAERS from it website according to new reports today.

[Dorian Grey]

The CDC has removed VAERS from it website according to new reports today.

 

Si, looks like this pertains to V-SAFE system?  

 

https://www.dailywir...-website-report

 

CDC Removes COVID Vaccine Adverse Event Reports From Website: Report

 

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website appeared to have quietly stopped collecting COVID-19 vaccine adverse events on the federal agency’s V-safe website earlier this summer.

“Thank you for your participation. Data collection for COVID-19 vaccines concluded on June 30, 2023,” the V-safe website reads."

 

Instead of displaying data collected from the mRNA vaccine, the CDC website redirects users to the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) website for adverse event reporting.

[Daniel Cooper]

Can't report bad news if you don't collect the data.

 

[Mind]

What should enrage most people following this discussion is that our friends in the longevity and rejuvenation industry have to engage in years-long slogs of red tape, fundraise hundreds of millions of dollars, scrape by a meager living, just to maybe get the approval of one therapeutic - no guarantees. Usually, 1 death in Phase 2 or 3, or even a handful of adverse events will shut down the whole venture. All of the money they raised (and sometimes donations from our pockets) all goes down the drain.

 

Contrast that with the all of the COVID boosters. No RCT trials. No tracking of adverse events. One of the previous COVID boosters was approved based upon an antibody response in 8 mice. Another booster was approved based upon a faulty and likely soon to be retracted (observational) study out of Israel. Millions of people around the world have self-reported adverse events and deaths due to the COVID injections, yet....

 

...the FDA is rubber-stamping the latest COVID booster without an RCT trial or hardly any human data what-so-ever. When it comes to approving "vaccines" from Pfizer and Moderna, the approval process is broken and should be widely mocked. It is not a "conspiracy" to note that many former big-pharma executives are now top US government regulators at the CDC and FDA. This has been studied. Big corporations intentionally corrupt the scientific/medical process.

 

Rejuvenation researchers have to jump through the hoops and waste untold resources. Pfizer and Moderna breeze through and rake in the cash.

 

You should be outraged.

[Mind]

Study finds the spike protein from the COVID injection stays in the body at least 6 months. I suspect this is why so many people are suffering serious illnesses (which the CDC and FDA continue to ignore) many months after getting injected and it gets worse with every booster. The spike protein your body is producing travels throughout your body for months. Your immune system keeps attacking the cells in different organs/systems. No surprise there are autoimmune issues and continuing illness/damage.

 

It is time for rejuvenation bio-hackers to start taking the warnings seriously. Be cautious and seriously evaluate any further mRNA injections. The damage is probably cumulative with every booster. This is probably part of the reason why the peer-reviewed and published study from the Cleveland Clinic showed you are more likely to get COVID with every additional booster - your body is under autoimmune attack and cannot fend off additional infections.

[Mind]

As many (formerly) well-respected well-published, brilliant leaders and researchers in medicine, epidemiology, and virology have been saying for nearly three years now, the spike protein from SARS-CoV2 itself or from the spike protein produced COVID mRNA injections (identical) is PATHOGENIC.

 

The CDC has been lying (self-admitted) and hiding data about the vaccine efficacy and side effects. Are you going to keep listening to them?

 

Millions of people around the world have reported serious side effects and deaths from the COVID injections. How long will you keep ignoring them?

[geo12the]

 

 

Contrast that with the all of the COVID boosters. No RCT trials. 

 

Uh, HELLO! There was no frigin choice. It was an emergency situation. There was no time for RCT.  It's ridiculous that you one the one hand  say there is too much regulation of longevity research but there somehow should be more regulation on these vaccines.  How about less regulation of everything?

[Dorian Grey]

Uh, HELLO! There was no frigin choice. It was an emergency situation. There was no time for RCT.  It's ridiculous that you one the one hand  say there is too much regulation of longevity research but there somehow should be more regulation on these vaccines.  How about less regulation of everything?

 

Hydroxychloroquine & Ivermectin were both historically safe, & fully approved by FDA for multiple health issues, yet they said RCTs would still have to be done before they could be prescribed off label for COVID.  

 

Millions around the world died while HCQ & IVM were tested, & tested, & tested, in bizarre trials on desperately ill hospitalized patients, while vaccines sailed into large scale use on EUA just weeks after the exotic new formulations were produced.  

 

We live in interesting times!  

[Advocatus Diaboli]

MInd, your link in post #1328 is a study published by MDPI which according to the information in Wikipedia, seems to be another publication mill. Criticisms are in the link. It seems to me that something as important as the study you link to would have been readily accepted by a more reputable publication source. Did the authors try and fail with submission to another journal?

[Daniel Cooper]

Uh, HELLO! There was no frigin choice. It was an emergency situation. There was no time for RCT.  It's ridiculous that you one the one hand  say there is too much regulation of longevity research but there somehow should be more regulation on these vaccines.  How about less regulation of everything?

 

Given that you knew that you'd have minimal time for doing controlled studies, why on earth would you pick a heretofore never deployed vaccine technology (mRNA) versus using a well understood established vaccine type?

 

There is nothing to indicate that mRNA was the only way to build a covid vaccine.

 

This mating of minimal testing with never deployed technology was always risky proposition.

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 02 September 2023 - 04:00 PM.

[geo12the]

Given that you knew that you'd have minimal time for doing controlled studies, why on earth would you pick a heretofore never deployed vaccine technology (mRNA) versus using a well understood established vaccine type?

 

There is nothing to indicate that mRNA was the only way to build a covid vaccine.

 

This mating of minimal testing with never deployed technology was always risky proposition.

 

I find it perplexing that on a forum where many folks are taking experimental things, so many are so irrationally terrified of mRNA vaccines. There is a weird discrepancy there that is being influenced by politics and internet gurus and slanted news sources these people follow.  If you don't test new things there will be no progress.The mRNA technology isn't new; it has been in development for several years prior to COVID. Main advantage is the speed at which new vaccines can be developed. They needed to come up with something fast to save lives. Regardless of the way data is cherry picked and misrepresented by the anti-vax side the vaccines did save lives and prevent misery. It's a simple as that. The anti-vax gurus and moonie newspapers and RFK juniors and  their followers will continue to cry wolf and say the sky is falling. But most people have moved on. 

Edited by geo12the, 03 September 2023 - 06:45 PM.

[Mind]

It wasn't an emergency. It was known from very early on that the IFR was a small fraction of 1 percent, and mainly a bad respiratory disease among the frail elderly and those in poor-health/obese. This was already known from the various cruise ships/military ships that the IFR was extremely low.

 

It only became a panic because of irresponsible fear-mongering US/UK national media and various "health" bureaucracies. Real bad modelling out of the UK also fed the irrational fear. Experts from many medical related fields warned against lockdowns and the COVID injections. All voices offering helpful alternative advice were shut down. Their careers were destroyed. Jobs were lost. Vitriolic hatred spewed forth from social media and TV, and it continues to this day, as evidenced in this discussion.

 

The "panic" was the only reason an untested technology was sloppily rushed through the approval process. The mRNA technology has never made it through an RCT trial, in spite of years of trying. At the beginning of the COVID panic, the mRNA technology was in Phase II of a cancer trial (if memory serves me right). That is as far as it ever got. Previous animal trials were all failures. One of the main things revealed from the animal studies is that the mice were MORE susceptible to future infections (and higher mortality) after getting the mRNA "vaccines".

 

This seems to be happening now in the human test subjects. In addition to the dozens of peer-reviewed studies posted already showing multiple serious side effects, a new study has found autoimmune diseases of the skin are associated with the COVID injections.

 

In addition to the CDC lying to the public (self-admitted), they have been hiding data about the "vaccine" side effects. Here is the latest data request that had to be pried out of the CDC through the force of law - they were hiding data which showed a high level of breakthrough infections very early in the COVID injection campaign.

[Gal220]

MInd, your link in post #1328 is a study published by MDPI which according to the information in Wikipedia, seems to be another publication mill. Criticisms are in the link. It seems to me that something as important as the study you link to would have been readily accepted by a more reputable publication source. Did the authors try and fail with submission to another journal?

 

More on this

New Study Finds Lingering Spike Protein in 50% of Vaccinated People: mRNA Carried in Human Microbiome?

https://onlinelibrar.../prca.202300048

https://www.trialsit...obiome-98aab3e7

 

"Mass spectrometry examination of biological samples was used to detect the presence of specific fragments of recombinant Spike protein in subjects who received mRNA-based vaccines."

 

 

"When the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were rolled out, the science was adamant that the resultant spike proteins would remain near the injection site and then quickly be removed from the body. And even after a couple years of evidence showing that neither key hypothesis came true, the science has not budged much."

[Gal220]

Recent Thailand data posted

 

https://twitter.com/...007949380075634

https://www.trialsit...nefits-ee887774

"Thailand had recorded ~24,400 cases and 80 deaths over approximately 11 months since the first reported case. However, as vaccination ramped up, Thailand recorded 20,445 deaths 2,252,976 cases over the next 11 months. This represented a 92-fold increase in cases and 256-fold increase in deaths over the same time frame of 11 months after vaccination, compared to the timeframe of 11 months before vaccination.

 

The Covid-19 cases and deaths were observed to be in strong temporal association with the rollout of the vaccination program."

 

 

 

Data from Queensland Australia(vaccination but no covid)

https://news.rebekah...tarted-trending

 

Q&A about the Queenslands data

https://twitter.com/...720646777258271

 

"there was no Covid in QLD. You can’t die of a virus that is not circulating. You do realise Australia is really big? Certain states closed their borders in 2021. QLD was one of them."

[Gal220]

https://twitter.com/...346313249677355

"New FOIA Documents Obtained by ICANdecide

Show the CDC & FDA Ignored a U.S. Military Investigation Showing the Vaccines Were Failing as Early as Jan 2021"

 

“Humetrix Cloud Services was contracted by the U.S. military to analyze vaccine data…Humetrix researchers found that the proportion of total COVID-19 cases among the seniors was increasingly comprised of vaccinated people.

 

The breakthrough cases started in January 2021, according to the data."

[Gal220]

"I find it perplexing that on a forum where many folks are taking experimental things, so many are so irrationally terrified of mRNA vaccines. "

 

 

I have the same kind of thought from the other side, I dont consider taking NAD+, Resveratrol, hydrogen water, Urolithin, Senolytics etc all that experimental.

 

AEs and deaths were piling up in VAERS from the first month

 

Avg Covid death was above life expectancy, plenty of good ideas in the original thread for dealing with it.

https://www.longecit...ents-therapies/

 

 

Edited by Gal220, 04 September 2023 - 06:12 AM.

[Advocatus Diaboli]

 

First lady is double-vaccinated, twice boosted

 

"Dr." Jill Biden gets COVID19 for a second time. Her injections must have been working well. Now, if Joe gets it, it'll be another perfect excuse to retreat into the basement again. And, in the meantime this news will fuel the mask-up-again crowd.

 

Maybe "Dr." Jill should heed the apt biblical injunction.

Edited by Advocatus Diaboli, 05 September 2023 - 02:46 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

Dangerous truths about the Fall Booster Program, from: 

 

Vinay Prasad, MD MPH;

Physician & Professor Hematologist/ Oncologist

Professor of Epidemiology, Biostatistics and Medicine

Author of 450+ Peer Reviewed papers, 2 Books, 2 Podcasts, 100+ op-eds.

 

https://youtu.be/UmZ...PGJhNGXaN6p0_2w

 

The Fall COVID19 Booster is a PUBLIC HEALTH FIASCO - It has no clinical evidence| Total Scam

 

Don't hold back Vinay, tell us what you really think!  

 

Good info to send to family & loved ones who are unsure about whether or not they are going to step up & roll up their sleeves.  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 05 September 2023 - 03:28 AM.

[Daniel Cooper]

I find it perplexing that on a forum where many folks are taking experimental things, so many are so irrationally terrified of mRNA vaccines. There is a weird discrepancy there that is being influenced by politics and internet gurus and slanted news sources these people follow.  If you don't test new things there will be no progress.The mRNA technology isn't new; it has been in development for several years prior to COVID. Main advantage is the speed at which new vaccines can be developed. They needed to come up with something fast to save lives. Regardless of the way data is cherry picked and misrepresented by the anti-vax side the vaccines did save lives and prevent misery. It's a simple as that. The anti-vax gurus and moonie newspapers and RFK juniors and  their followers will continue to cry wolf and say the sky is falling. But most people have moved on. 

 

Terrified of mRNA vaccine? Are you kidding me? I took the damned thing. Twice.

 

But you do realize that prior to 2021, no mRNA vaccine of any kind had ever been approved by the FDA, right? mRNA vaccines had languished in "development hell" for 20 years prior to that. And the first time we approve an mRNA vaccine it is rolled out to literally a billion or so people after a very truncated approval process? Does that make any sense to you?

 

We essentially conducted a Phase 3 clinical trial with N=1 billion.  

 

mRNA was not the only technology that could be used for a covid vaccine. 

[joesixpack]

I also took it twice, so I do not think I am terrified of the vaccine.

 

But, I am skeptical, and adverse event reports, which include serious injuries, and deaths, should have these vaccines taken off the market.

 

No mRNA vaccine has ever been approved, the current Covid vaccines are being given under a EUA.

[Daniel Cooper]

No mRNA vaccine has ever been approved, the current Covid vaccines are being given under a EUA.

 

Looks like you are correct. No mRNA vaccine has ever been approved by the FDA as of this date.

[Dorian Grey]

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine (brand name: Comirnaty) was granted full Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval in August 2021 for people ages 16 and older.

 

I have read however, that NO Comirnaty is being produced, and the BNT162b2 generic/EUA vaccine is the only one going into human arms.  

 

This is a legal slight of hand, designed to protect Pfizer in the event of vaccine badness emerging.  

 

https://www.supremec... with Brief.pdf

 

Dec 29, 2021 — There is no supply of Comirnaty. The only vaccines in production and available are the vaccines approved under the. FDA's Emergency Use ...

Edited by Dorian Grey, 05 September 2023 - 04:55 PM.

[Mind]

 

 

First lady is double-vaccinated, twice boosted

 

"Dr." Jill Biden gets COVID19 for a second time. Her injections must have been working well. Now, if Joe gets it, it'll be another perfect excuse to retreat into the basement again. And, in the meantime this news will fuel the mask-up-again crowd.

 

Maybe "Dr." Jill should heed the apt biblical injunction.

 

 

I argued earlier that the COVID injections should not be considered a "vaccine" in the traditional sense. People were accustomed to taking a vaccine and getting decades of protection. Suddenly, this mRNA injection was labeled a "vaccine" even though it only boosts antibodies for a few weeks. It should be classified as a therapeutic, and only used in high risk patients. It could help the frail elderly get through an infection without severe respiratory symptoms.

 

Otherwise, it is a terrible "vaccine". If you wanted persistent protection with this injection, you would have to take a booster every couple of months, and get a booster for every variant, which seem to come along every month or two. Considering all of the potential for serious side effects and deaths from the COVID injections, I would not want to be taking several shots per year.

 

Jill Biden got the original shots, got the boosters, and keeps getting COVID. The COVID injections do not prevent transmission, don't prevent infection, and offer no guarantee of preventing hospitalization or death. The vast majority of COVID deaths over the last 18 months are among the "vaccinated". What a terrible "vaccine".

 

On the subject of side effects:

 

If the virus spike protein causes acceleration of Alzheimer's, getting the mRNA injections over and over are going to make that problem even worse, since the synthetic mRNA sticks around for months.

 

In Germany recently there was a VERY suspicious committee hearing about vaccine side effects. During testimony, they had to separate two health authorities because one with special security clearance was providing answers to the other who is supposed to open to the public. Also, they claim there are too many side effects reports and they don't have enough personnel to produce an official report yet.

Edited by Mind, 05 September 2023 - 06:06 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

First lady is double-vaccinated, twice boosted
 
"Dr." Jill Biden gets COVID19 for a second time. Her injections must have been working well. Now, if Joe gets it, it'll be another perfect excuse to retreat into the basement again. And, in the meantime this news will fuel the mask-up-again crowd.
 
Maybe "Dr." Jill should heed the apt biblical injunction.

 
I couldn't help but think of this bit when I heard about Dr. Jill.
 

https://youtu.be/5hrGOn_I-fw?si=WcDzuyzAdtgjNTDn

 

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 05 September 2023 - 06:20 PM.

[Gal220]

In a normal society, arrests would be made.  Not incompetence, intentional harm

 

"CDC Repeatedly Advised People With Post-Vaccination Conditions To Get More Doses"

https://twitter.com/...210839679521025

Edited by Gal220, 06 September 2023 - 06:04 AM.

[Mind]

In a normal society, arrests would be made.  Not incompetence, intentional harm

 

"CDC Repeatedly Advised People With Post-Vaccination Conditions To Get More Doses"

https://twitter.com/...210839679521025

 

Disturbingly, at CISA, they apparently used an algorithm to decide whether or not someone was vaccine injured. The algorithm would return a verdict of "indeterminate", so then they would recommend more boosters. You would think they could at least run a few diagnostic tests for the presence of the synthetic mRNA or high concentrations of spike protein - such as in the woman with kidney swelling after the second COVID injection.

Edited by Mind, 06 September 2023 - 05:54 PM.

[Empiricus]

I find it perplexing that on a forum where many folks are taking experimental things, so many are so irrationally terrified of mRNA vaccines. There is a weird discrepancy there that is being influenced by politics and internet gurus and slanted news sources these people follow.  If you don't test new things there will be no progress.The mRNA technology isn't new; it has been in development for several years prior to COVID. Main advantage is the speed at which new vaccines can be developed. They needed to come up with something fast to save lives. Regardless of the way data is cherry picked and misrepresented by the anti-vax side the vaccines did save lives and prevent misery. It's a simple as that. The anti-vax gurus and moonie newspapers and RFK juniors and  their followers will continue to cry wolf and say the sky is falling. But most people have moved on. 

 

You raise a good question.  I believe we witness a lot of so-called "vaccine hesitancy" here precisely because members of this forum don't rely on doctors to assess the safety of their life-extension and other protocols. They know this burden falls upon themselves, and they habitually research things before taking them. We all have some firsthand experience with experimental products that turn out to be lemons.  Memory of these sour experiences creates resolve to avoid them. 

Edited by Empiricus, 07 September 2023 - 06:03 PM.

[Hip]

I find it perplexing that on a forum where many folks are taking experimental things, so many are so irrationally terrified of mRNA vaccines. 

 

Very good point

 

It is indeed rather perplexing how members of the forum will throw any experimental untested treatment down their throats with minimal concern for possible adverse effects. Yet they baulk at the mRNA vaccines that went through all the normal clinical trials for safety testing.

 

 

 

A case in point the compound C60 (buckminsterfullerene, or buckyballs): there was a massive interest in taking C60 on Longecity. Indeed a Longecity sub-forum was set up for C60, because there were so many people here taking it. Lots of people had been taking it daily for years.

 

People were swallowing this exotic compound like there was no tomorrow, even though there was very little animal safety testing performed on this novel substance.

 

Then one Longecity member decided to give C60 to 3 mice, in a small-scale home study. The result? All 3 mice died of cancer.