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[joesixpack]

Spilled Vax possibly erodes eyeballs:

Ocular Surface Erosion after Suspected Exposure to Evaporated COVID-19 Vaccine
Abstract
"The purpose is to report ocular surface erosion of health personnel who were exposed to evaporated CoronaVac during a vaccination campaign. A campaign for CoronaVac vaccination was conducted in a closed space of 11.04 × 5.96 m, partially divided into 6 rooms with interconnected area among the rooms. A total of 20 health personnel worked in the vaccination rooms. On the third day of campaign, a vial, containing a single dose of 0.5 mL, of the vaccine was dropped accidentally onto the floor and broken by an administering nurse. A total of 15 personnel had symptoms and signs of ocular surface erosion at the average time from the accident to the onset of 10.2 ± 7.1 h; 4 personnel also had skin rash. These personnel included all 13 persons who already worked in the rooms when the accident occurred and continued for additional 4–6 h and 2 personnel who presented in the rooms 1–2 h after the accident and stayed for 2–3 h. Proximity and timing suggest CoronaVac correlation with the ocular and skin reactions. Cautions should be taken to avoid broken vials, spills, and aerosolization of CoronaVac during the vaccination."


What might be viewed as interesting is the table of stated Excipients and the fact that none of those could cause this.
So either the primary ingredients caused this, or there are unstated Excipients.

 

Would like to know a list of the actual ingredients that would cause this type of damage.

[Daniel Cooper]

Would like to know a list of the actual ingredients that would cause this type of damage.

 

It could be that putting a substantial amount of mRNA vaccine into the eye is itself causing the problem.

 

After all, that mRNA is going to get to work busily making spike protein which is likely itself damaging (seems to be so to heart tissue) to the surface of the eye. 

 

It's supposed to be injected into the muscle and you should never see a significant concentration on the surface of the eye.

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 31 October 2023 - 02:46 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

Update on the CDC's response to the information that that co-administration of covid-19 and flu vaccine my incur additional risk:
 
Feds downplay stroke risk from COVID-flu vaccine combo discovered by their own researchers

[Dorian Grey]

Update on the CDC's response to the information that that co-administration of covid-19 and flu vaccine my incur additional risk:
 
Feds downplay stroke risk from COVID-flu vaccine combo discovered by their own researchers

 

Yes, they have very nice electric scooters now for those paralyzed on one side, and an absorbent bib tucked in under your chin to catch the drool out of the drooping side of your mouth.  You'll be good to go!  

[Mind]

No I don't remember that, perhaps you can link to some articles.

 

The vaccines were never designed to stop the pandemic, they were designed to greatly reduce the chances of death from COVID, which they did. 

 

I don't remember seeing any articles claiming the vaccines would stop the pandemic. 

 

Here is another compilation of media, politicians, medical journals, claiming that the COVID injections prevent transmission and infection and were 80%, 90%, or 100% effective.

 

The COVID injections do not prevent transmission or infection at all (peer-reviewed). In fact, real world data and peer-reviewed research has definitively shown that the more COVID injections you get the MORE likely you are to get COVID.

 

I think I only know one person who continues to claim the COVID injections are super effective.

 

Most people around the world know they don't work well as "vaccines". Most countries are not even advocating for continued use except for the elderly and frail - except for the US - which continues to push the injections RELENTLESSLY for everyone. Our health leaders in the US are dangerous.

[DanCG]

Would like to know a list of the actual ingredients that would cause this type of damage.

Note that this is about Coronovac, which was developed by the Chinese company Sinovac. It is not an mRNA vaccine.

 

From Wikipedia: As an inactivated vaccine like BBIBP-CorV and Covaxin, CoronaVac uses a more traditional technology^[48][8] that is similar to the inactivated polio vaccine. Initially, a sample of SARS-CoV-2 from China was used to grow large quantities of the virus using vero cells. From then on, the viruses are soaked in beta-propiolactone, which deactivates them by binding to their genes, while leaving other viral particles intact. The resulting inactivated viruses are then mixed with the adjuvant aluminium hydroxide

[Daniel Cooper]

Note that this is about Coronovac, which was developed by the Chinese company Sinovac. It is not an mRNA vaccine.

 

From Wikipedia: As an inactivated vaccine like BBIBP-CorV and Covaxin, CoronaVac uses a more traditional technology^[48][8] that is similar to the inactivated polio vaccine. Initially, a sample of SARS-CoV-2 from China was used to grow large quantities of the virus using vero cells. From then on, the viruses are soaked in beta-propiolactone, which deactivates them by binding to their genes, while leaving other viral particles intact. The resulting inactivated viruses are then mixed with the adjuvant aluminium hydroxide

 

Ah, I stand corrected. Didn't catch that.

 

I guess the inactivated viruses probably still express spike protein on their capsid shell but it's at least that's not multiplying. 

 

Aluminum hydroxide will of course be a base, but should be so dilute you'd think it wouldn't erode the eye surface, but who knows. It's a Chinese vaccine so it may be full of lead and melamine for all we know. 

[Gal220]

Eye clots can be an early warning for other heart injuries

https://twitter.com/...360682280309238

[Hip]

Here is another compilation of media, politicians, medical journals, claiming that the COVID injections prevent transmission and infection and were 80%, 90%, or 100% effective.

 

The COVID injections do not prevent transmission or infection at all (peer-reviewed). In fact, real world data and peer-reviewed research has definitively shown that the more COVID injections you get the MORE likely you are to get COVID.

 

I think I only know one person who continues to claim the COVID injections are super effective.

 

Most people around the world know they don't work well as "vaccines". Most countries are not even advocating for continued use except for the elderly and frail - except for the US - which continues to push the injections RELENTLESSLY for everyone. Our health leaders in the US are dangerous.

 

You are not from an Amish family by any chance? That could explain the hick attitudes to science and modern medicine. I've never come across anyone who so insults and besmirches the very people who saved us during this global crisis that was the COVID pandemic — namely the scientists and pharmaceutical companies.

Edited by Hip, 01 November 2023 - 04:55 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

You are not from an Amish family by any chance? That could explain the hick attitudes to science and modern medicine. I've never come across anyone who so insults and besmirches the very people who saved us during this global crisis that was the COVID pandemic — namely the scientists and pharmaceutical companies.

 

Manners Hip...  Manners Maketh Man!  

[Hip]

Manners Hip...  Manners Maketh Man!  

 

Indeed, but isn't it bad manners to defame the good people who saved us in the pandemic? 

 

During the 9/11 event, it was the firemen who entered the Twin Towers to save people who were the heroes of the day. If someone went around insulting those firemen, you would not consider them a well mannered person. 

 

In the pandemic, it was the pharmaceutical scientists who saved people, by pulling out all the stops, and creating effective vaccines in just 18 months. So these people are the heroes of the pandemic. Yet on this forum, they are given no credit, and their efforts are besmirched. 

Edited by Hip, 01 November 2023 - 05:27 AM.

[joesixpack]

You are not from an Amish family by any chance? That could explain the hick attitudes to science and modern medicine. I've never come across anyone who so insults and besmirches the very people who saved us during this global crisis that was the COVID pandemic — namely the scientists and pharmaceutical companies.

 

Do you have a mental disability caused by your illness? I do not want to cause any distress by pointing out your lack of empathy. You are referring to the vaccines that have caused multiple adverse effects, up to and including death? Is that right? Vaccines containing multiple contaminants, including DNA that we are supposed to ignore? Are you insane?

Edited by joesixpack, 01 November 2023 - 06:32 AM.

[Hip]

Do you have a mental disability caused by your illness? I do not want to cause any distress by pointing out your lack of empathy. You are referring to the vaccines that have caused multiple adverse effects, up to and including death? Is that right? Vaccines containing multiple contaminants, including DNA that we are supposed to ignore? Are you insane?

 

All medicines cause adverse effects, are people here not aware of that? It sounds like many people here have never actually spent any time reading about medical science, and so do not know this. Perhaps the pandemic may be the first foray into medical science for some people here, and so being medical neophytes, they are surprised and shocked that there are some (rare) adverse effects with COVID vaccines (and indeed with any vaccine). But more experienced readers of medical science will know pharmaceutical adverse effects are found with many drugs and treatments. 

 

For example: Aspirin may cause 3000 deaths per year in the UK, when taken daily by people to prevent heart attacks.

 

That article says: "Prescription of any drug is a balance between the benefits of the medication against its risks, and aspirin is no different. Certainly, people should not stop their aspirin if it has been prescribed by a doctor after a stroke or heart attack, since stopping it can cause another heart attack or stroke."

 

 

 

Do you think that people here may be unduly frightened by the COVID vaccines because they have no previous experience with medical matters? And also because some lack the scientific knowledge to know what is significant and what is not? 

 

People here seem frightened like babies with any and every unsubstantiated hearsay posted on Twitter about the COVID vaccines. And because none of us here have the credentials to know if that Twitter post is significant or not, or whether it is misinformation or not, it is a recipe for being frightened.

 

Remember the phrase "ignorance breeds fear"; this may be the basis of the fear of vaccines we see in these COVID threads. 

 

 

 

Do you remember the fear and anxiety when cellular mobile phones first became widespread, in the 1990s and onwards. There were may people worried about possible adverse effects of the microwave radiation from these phones, and many articles in the newspapers about these worries. Of course now, 20 or 30 years hence, most people do show much concern for microwaves. 

Edited by Hip, 01 November 2023 - 04:21 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

Indeed, but isn't it bad manners to defame the good people who saved us in the pandemic? 

 

During the 9/11 event, it was the firemen who entered the Twin Towers to save people who were the heroes of the day. If someone went around insulting those firemen, you would not consider them a well mannered person. 

 

In the pandemic, it was the pharmaceutical scientists who saved people, by pulling out all the stops, and creating effective vaccines in just 18 months. So these people are the heroes of the pandemic. Yet on this forum, they are given no credit, and their efforts are besmirched. 

 

 

Disagreeing with or defaming is in the eye of the beholder. In any case, those people are not part of this forum.

 

The expectation is that people that are members of this forum will be cordial to each other. 

 

Understood?

[Hip]

The expectation is that people that are members of this forum will be cordial to each other. 

 

I understand.

 

But if cordiality is key, why does Longecity moderation allow my posts to be constant hit with barrage of red marks? It is not cordial to have your comments marked as "time wasting" or "ill informed".  

[Daniel Cooper]

I understand.

 

But if cordiality is key, why does Longecity moderation allow my posts to be constant hit with barrage of red marks? It is not cordial to have your comments marked as "time wasting" or "ill informed".  

 

Labeling a post as "time wasting" is a bit different than accusing someone of having "hick attitudes".

 

And who knows, if you practiced cordiality for a while maybe the rate of those red marks would decrease? 

 

In any case, I'm not a huge fan of our ratings system, but it is what it is.

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 01 November 2023 - 07:22 PM.

[Hip]

Labeling a post as "time wasting" is a bit different than accusing someone of having "hick attitudes".

 

And who knows, if you practiced cordiality for a while maybe the rate of those red marks would decrease? 

 

Well, it's arguable whether it is better to be called a "country bumpkin", or labeled an "ignorant time waster"!

 

I doubt if the red marks will decrease even with the politest of posts, since this vaccine issue created strong feelings during the pandemic, as was witnessed by a COVID vaccination centre being burned down in France. 

[Daniel Cooper]

 as was witnessed by a COVID vaccination centre being burned down in France. 

 

I had not heard about that. I thought such things were mostly a US phenomena.

 

In fact, I'm not aware of a vaccination center being destroyed here but who knows.

[Hip]

I had not heard about that. I thought such things were mostly a US phenomena.

 

In fact, I'm not aware of a vaccination center being destroyed here but who knows.

 

For the French vax centre fire, see: Covid vaccination centres vandalised in France. 

 

The French were more fiercely anti-vaccine than the UK, probably because none of the antivax or COVID conspiracy theory material was censored in France. In particular, the COVID conspiracy movie "Hold-Up" was widely circulated in France. Whereas in the UK, I think there was a more robust response to countering misinformation.

 

 

But in the UK we also had a vaccination centre mysteriously catch fire.

 

And in the UK people were also burning down 5G masts, because of the nonsense that was spread around on social media that 5G radiation was the cause of the pandemic. Nearly 80 5G transmission towers were burned down in Britain, because of this 5G conspiracy theory. 

[Mind]

You are not from an Amish family by any chance? That could explain the hick attitudes to science and modern medicine. I've never come across anyone who so insults and besmirches the very people who saved us during this global crisis that was the COVID pandemic — namely the scientists and pharmaceutical companies.

 

I am in good company. Hardly any country in the world is pushing constant COVID injections (except the US), mainly just for the very old and frail. These countries, including most of Europe are not run by "hicks" as far as I know.

 

Even in the US - which is about the only country in the world relentlessly pushing the COVID injections - even upon toddlers - barely 3% of the population has taken the most recent booster. Those numbers include over 300 million people who are not all "hicks" - a lot of doctors, scientists, engineers, PhDs, etc...

 

It has nothing to do with being "hicks". There is no quality long term RCT trial supporting population-wide COVID injections. The trials that did occur were rushed, sloppy, and fraudulent (well-documented). This is a good enough reason for people to be skeptical in regards to this particular therapeutic. They don't have to be "hicks".

Edited by Mind, 02 November 2023 - 05:25 PM.

[Daniel Cooper]

BTW guys - it would be nice if people wouldn't reflectively downvote Hip's posts. His complaint isn't unreasonable.

 

For instance the "needs references" above.

[Advocatus Diaboli]

Daniel Cooper, you might want to re-read Hip's post that I marked as "Needs references". Hip wrote the following:  "...as was witnessed by a COVID vaccination centre being burned down in France." A claim for which he provided no citation. Was that sensationalist hyperbole or a statement of fact? A citation would help to establish the latter. I'm going to remove the rating because he subsequently provided a citation for his assertion in a follow-up post.

[Daniel Cooper]

Daniel Cooper, you might want to re-read Hip's post that I marked as "Needs references". Hip wrote the following:  "...as was witnessed by a COVID vaccination centre being burned down in France." A claim for which he provided no citation. Was that sensationalist hyperbole or a statement of fact? A citation would help to establish the latter. I'm going to remove the rating because he subsequently provided a citation for his assertion in a follow-up post.

 

I take his post as an off the cuff remark that isn't exactly crying out for a reference. If someone were making a technical point e.g. asserting that some compound has a certain MOA - then sure it "needs references". In a case like that then we'd want to read the paper to see if the person is interpreting the results correctly, or to determine if it's a paper that would might have broader implications, etc.

 

But the fact is, people make off handed remarks all the time that we generally don't tag as "needing a reference" so it's not a hard and fast rule that every assertion requires a reference.

 

By all means rate as you see fit, but I think we should all try to use the ratings system to improve our understanding and not as a means of poking at someone - which I am not asserting is what you were doing but I can say pretty confidently is how the system is being used at times.

 

Clearly there is a large element of opinion and judgement call on how ratings are used so I'm not really going to argue against your rating. I'm just advocating for maybe some more judicious use of the ratings in general.

 

 

[Daniel Cooper]

 

The French were more fiercely anti-vaccine than the UK, probably because none of the antivax or COVID conspiracy theory material was censored in France. In particular, the COVID conspiracy movie "Hold-Up" was widely circulated in France. Whereas in the UK, I think there was a more robust response to countering misinformation.

 

Well, we've discussed it ad nausea so I'm sure you're aware that I'm not a fan of governments censoring "misinformation". It's not infrequent that today's "misinformation" is tomorrow's "conventional wisdom".

 

After all, Galileo was put under house arrest for dispensing "misinformation".

 

That and the tendency for governments to see information that counters their policy goals as being "misinformation" oftentimes regardless of the facts.

 

We'll just have to disagree on this issue I suppose.
 

[Hip]

Well, we've discussed it ad nausea so I'm sure you're aware that I'm not a fan of governments censoring "misinformation". It's not infrequent that today's "misinformation" is tomorrow's "conventional wisdom".

 

After all, Galileo was put under house arrest for dispensing "misinformation".

 

That and the tendency for governments to see information that counters their policy goals as being "misinformation" oftentimes regardless of the facts.

 

We'll just have to disagree on this issue I suppose.
 

 

Well policies and actions, just like with any medicine, have their benefits and adverse effects. So we can examine whether the benefits of suppressing misinformation outweigh any adverse effects. 

 

In the case of the conspiracy theory that 5G was causing the COVID pandemic, which was rampant on social media and not sufficiently suppressed, this led to the burning down of nearly 80 5G cellular phone masts in the UK. That is the adverse effect of allowing this 5G theory to circulate. 

 

I guess the benefit of letting this 5G theory do the rounds on social media is the very tiny chance that it might in some small way be correct, for example that 5G radiation might promote COVID infections, perhaps via some immune suppression (there is no evidence for this, I am just making it up as an example). Although the sort of people who burn down masts are probably not going to contribute to the science of 5G and how it relates to the immune system.

 

 

In any case, censorship can be applied by lots of organisations, not always the government. Google censors information for its own reasons, nothing to do with the US government. Newspapers may also choose to promote or censor a message. 

 

In Brazil during the pandemic, the government was actively promoting conspiracy theories and antivax messaging (while Bolsonaro was President). 

 

So then the Brazilian media decided to fight this conspiracy theory coming from their government, and so all the Brazilian media organisations got together and agreed to promote sensible messaging about vaccines and the pandemic.  

 

 

Edited by Hip, 02 November 2023 - 12:10 AM.

[Advocatus Diaboli]

Re: post 1495

 

Actually Hip, it wasn't "...nearly 80 5G cellular phone masts in the UK" that were burned down, it was closer to 7,300 cellular phone masts that were burned down. I'm correcting your claim in order to convey to readers that the situation was far more grave than your mere "80" would imply..

 

PS--My "7,300" is just an "off the cuff" remark, and therefore requires no reference.

[Hip]

Re: post 1495

 

Actually Hip, it wasn't "...nearly 80 5G cellular phone masts in the UK" that were burned down, it was closer to 7,300 cellular phone masts that were burned down. I'm correcting your claim in order to convey to readers that the situation was far more grave than your mere "80" would imply..

 

PS--My "7,300" is just an "off the cuff" remark, and therefore requires no reference.

 

I never know if you are being serious, sarcastic, trying to be funny, or are just being weird. 

[HBRU]

 

Even Health Canada is now reporting that the injections are contaminated with SV40. The CDC and the FDA are about the only health bureaucracies in the world that continue to deny any side effects or any problems with the COVID injections. Why does anyone believe anything they say?

 

it's just a piece of DNA part of the SV40 DNA genome... I am not concerned about.

 

Posts misrepresent Health Canada statement on DNA in Covid vaccines | Fact Check (afp.com)

 

what concern most about mRNA vaccines are the trombotic consequences in someone....

 

In my opinion in 2021 it was a no brainer to vaccinate as COVID was much worst than vaccine....

but having passed COVID no sense to get the shot... specially now.

 

In Italy very little people get the new shot.

[joesixpack]

Here is a quote from an Italian Population based study, published October 23, 2023. The study is here: https://www.mdpi.com...393X/11/10/1621

 

 

4. Discussion

This large population-based study in Italy investigated the neurological complications associated with first and second doses of three COVID-19 vaccines in use in the hub of Novegro (Milan, Lombardy). We identified several findings that were of clinical relevance to public health and scientific interest for clinicians and researchers. Firstly, we observed an increased risk of neurological adverse events in females, and for the adenovirus ChAdOx1nCov-19 vaccine, a trend for mRNA vaccines such as mRNA-1273 and BNT162b2. In line with this, a significant association between neurological symptoms following ChAdOx1nCov-19 and mRNA-1273 vaccination compared to BNT162b2 is also reported. Secondly, in the symptomatic vaccinated group, we identified a neurological risk profile that is specific for each vaccine. There is an increased risk for the ChAdOx1nCov-19 vaccine of tremors, insomnia, tinnitus, muscle spasms and headache; an increased risk for the mRNA-1273 vaccine of taste and smell alterations, vertigo, diplopia, sleepiness, parethesias and dysphonia; then, an increased risk for the BNT162b2 vaccine of cognitive fog. Finally, defining the symptomatic group, we found that over 40% of the subjects showed comorbidities in their clinical histories.

The neurological risk profile of the ChAdOx1nCov-19 vaccine included headaches, tremors, muscle spasms, insomnia and tinnitus. 

 

 

[HBRU]

Covid vaccines were usefull specially in 2021 for people that never got virus contact before. But in Italy we were forced to get the shot even after having had the COVID illness, and for someone very hard COVID illness. That was bad for some pepole as it was a kind putting petrol on fire of the already awakened immunitary system.

 

Also our at the time health minister Roberto Speranza wanted people just wait & use paracetamol to counteract COVID. So bad minister. We never had such bad one.

 

At the end of the day Socialists and left parties loose the elections because of this bad management... so we now have an "iron" lady at government: Meloni

Edited by HBRU, 06 November 2023 - 04:01 AM.