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[Hip]

New mucosal COVID vaccine, which is administered as an intranasal spray, generates strong mucosal immunity, and is much better than the mRNA COVID vaccine in preventing virus transmission (at least in hamsters, which this study used to test the vaccine).

 

There has been growing interest in mucosal vaccines in recent years; the mucosal immune system is one which is distinct from the systemic immune system (for one thing, the mucous membranes use IgA antibodies to fight pathogens, whereas systemic immunity uses IgM and IgG antibodies). 

 

Mucosal vaccines can be effective because most viruses are transmitted person to person via the mucous membranes which line the respiratory and gastrointestinal tracts. When you catch a respiratory virus, it will first land on the mucous membranes in your mouth, nose, throat or gut, and start infecting the cells of the mucous membranes, before later spreading into your bloodstream and disseminating more widely in the body.

 

But if your mucosal defences are strong, then you can wipe out the virus before it gets a chance to disseminate more widely.

 

 

This particular intranasal COVID mucosal vaccine is based on a live attenuated COVID virus, which is an old vaccine technology. Live attenuated vaccines afford good protection, but very occasionally they can cause an actual full-blown infection, in people with weakened immunity.

 

 

It makes sense that a mucosal COVID vaccine might be better at preventing person to person transmission of SARS-CoV-2, since this virus is transmitted by saliva or nasal secretions, and the virus gets into the saliva via virally infected cells on the mucous membranes. So if you ramp up mucosal immunity, fewer viruses will be created in the mucous membranes, which equates to people becoming less infectious. 

Edited by Hip, 09 February 2024 - 09:22 PM.

[Mind]

New mucosal COVID vaccine, which is administered as an intranasal spray, generates strong mucosal immunity, and is much better than the mRNA COVID vaccine in preventing virus transmission (at least in hamsters, which this study used to test the vaccine).

 

There has been growing interest in mucosal vaccines in recent years; the mucosal immune system is one which is distinct from the systemic immune system (for one thing, the mucous membranes use IgA antibodies to fight pathogens, whereas systemic immunity uses IgM and IgG antibodies). 

 

Mucosal vaccines can be effective because most viruses are transmitted person to person via the mucous membranes which line the respiratory and gastrointestinal tracts. When you catch a respiratory virus, it will first land on the mucous membranes in your mouth, nose, throat or gut, and start infecting the cells of the mucous membranes, before later spreading into your bloodstream and disseminating more widely in the body.

 

But if your mucosal defences are strong, then you can wipe out the virus before it gets a chance to disseminate more widely.

 

 

This particular intranasal COVID mucosal vaccine is based on a live attenuated COVID virus, which is an old vaccine technology. Live attenuated vaccines afford good protection, but very occasionally they can cause an actual full-blown infection, in people with weakened immunity.

 

 

It makes sense that a mucosal COVID vaccine might be better at preventing person to person transmission of SARS-CoV-2, since this virus is transmitted by saliva or nasal secretions, and the virus gets into the saliva via virally infected cells on the mucous membranes. So if you ramp up mucosal immunity, fewer viruses will be created in the mucous membranes, which equates to people becoming less infectious. 

 

I posted about this previously. You will notice that the developers of this mucosal vaccine clearly state that intramuscular vaccines are not very effective against respiratory illness. This was pointed out previously by world-renowned virologists during the COVID panic and they were savaged mercilessly by pubic health bureaucrats. Will there be any apologies?

 

That being said, it is nice to see researchers being able to publicly state obvious things...without getting harassed, fired, threatened, etc...

 

It still can't believe how crazy the COVID panic was and how billions of people were convinced to take an injection that:

 

1. Never passed an animal trial

2. Never passed a legitimate human trial

3. In the fraudulent trial that did occur (Pfizer), there were over 42,000 SAEs and over 1200 deaths.

4. produced more SAEs in VAERS than all other vaccines COMBINED.

5. is proven to produce a higher rate of infection than if you never took it.

6. is not fully metabolically characterized.

 

On the last point, here is the latest study pointing out potential problems with disrupting the normal cellular mRNA function with foreign mRNA production that is NOT one-and-done (like natural mRNA).

 

For those who have not read through this discussion and seen the hundreds of peer-reviewed studies about the negative effects of the COVID injections, here is a review of some things on PubMed.

[Empiricus]

If you knew anything about ME/CFS history, and the downright evil politics involved in ME/CFS, arising from corrupt multinational insurance companies who manipulated the narrative behind ME/CFS, you would realise you are on the side of evil here. 

 

In order to avoid paying out disability support to very sick patients with ME/CFS, international disability insurance companies starting promoting the false narrative that ME/CFS was not a real physical disease, but an imaginary "all in the mind" condition that was just down to the poor attitude of patients. The idea was pushed that if ME/CFS patients made up their minds to get better, they would overcome their illness, because it was just a psychological condition, and could be overcome by the right attitude.

 

They also promoted the poisonoud idea that ME/CFS was not a lifelong chronic illness, but something patients would be expected to recover from in due course. Therefore any patient who remained ill was either faking it, or had poor attitudes towards life. 

 

This narrative was introduced by insurance companies the early 1990s, because in the 1980s there was an inexplicable and incredible 8-fold rise in ME/CFS incidence, and these companies may have gone bankrupt if they had not invented this scam.

 

These insurance companies paid many psychiatrist to promote this idea that ME/CFS is psychologically caused. Once this incorrect psychological view of ME/CFS became accepted in the medical world, research funding for ME/CFS dried up, so this toxic idea had a very deleterious effect on the whole of ME/CFS science.

 

You are promoting the same malicious and poisonous narrative, that ME/CFS is something that is not a lifelong disease, but something that people will automatically recover from. If you posted your views on ME/CFS forums, you would be denounced by many ME/CFS patients, who are sick people trivialising their illness, and sick of people saying that ME/CFS is not as serious as other chronic illnesses such as Parkinson's or multiple sclerosis.

 

Also, science does not support your toxic views: there are studies showing that recovery from ME/CFS is rare. Therefore it is a permanent disease. 

 

But as usual on this forum, you were not aware of the salient facts, this ME/CFS Machiavellian politics history, so you are not aware that you are promoting a toxic idea.

 

 

 

I appreciate that long COVID patients that have the ME/CFS form of LC might not like to hear that their disease is permanent, but we live in an adult world, where you have to face the medical facts.

 

And by the way way you are also wrong in assuming that knowledge that ME/CFS is permanent will prevent ME/CFS patients from seeking treatments or experimenting with drugs and supplements. I am in several ME/CFS forums where there is constant intense experimentation with treatments. And sometimes patients do find a treatment which does substantially improve their condition. 

 

Indeed, I don't know any group of patients who are so determined to improve their health as ME/CFS patients. I am proud to be part of this ME/CFS community of patients who are so pro-active and enthusiastic regarding experimenting with possible treatments. 

 

 

Note that the POTS form of LC can more easily be improved or cured: POTS responds well to exercise, and if you do a LOT of exercise regularly for a year, you can overcome and cure POTS. I know people who have done this. 

 

 

Basically, you're saying there's an insurance category called "permanently disabled" and a lot of people with Long Covid or CFS deserve to qualify to receive the benefits that people in this category receive.  After all, their situation is indistinguishable from many who qualify as "permanently disabled." Often far worse.  When someone like me points out that these conditions are not necessarily permanently disabling, they use language that, applied to a legalistic context, might be used to undermine these disabled people's claim for benefits commensurate with their disability.

 

I am convinced these conditions can be severely disabling for an extended period of time. Therefore, I agree it's terribly unjust when these patients don't qualify for benefits commensurate with their disability level.  I hope this injustice get addressed. Perhaps it will take the courts or legislation. 

 

Nevertheless, this is science forum, not a contract law or politics forum.  I don't think it's a good idea to allow policy goals, however worthwhile, to dictate the language we use here.  

Edited by Empiricus, 10 February 2024 - 08:05 PM.

[Hip]

Basically, you're saying there's an insurance category called "permanently disabled" and a lot of people with Long Covid or CFS deserve to qualify to receive the benefits that people in this category receive.  

 

As I understand it, in the 1980s, when there was this inexplicable 8-fold rise in ME/CFS cases, international disability insurance companies such as UNUM and Swiss Re stood to go bankrupt because of all these new ME/CFS insurance claims. 

 

Now at that time, disability insurance rules stated that patients with physical disabilities were eligible for lifetime disability support, whereas patients with mental health disabilities were only eligible for 2 years of disability support. So by recasting ME/CFS as a mental health condition, these insurance companies managed to avoid the need to pay lifetime disability support to millions of ME/CFS patients. 

 

The downside of this was not only that ME/CFS patients got no money, but also biomedical research into ME/CFS started to dry up, because the medical profession began to view ME/CFS as a psychological condition, a condition they believed were just due to lazy attitudes of the patient, rather than considering the real biological disease that it actually is.

 

And doctors then started treating ME/CFS patients in an offhand way, because doctors were told that ME/CFS is not a real disease, just laziness or poor attitude. Even today in the UK, young ME/CFS patients who are hospitalised due to extreme sickness are abused and bullied by hospital psychiatrists, who wrongly believe that ME/CFS is just bad attitude or laziness. The psychiatrists think they can bully or cajole ME/CFS patients back to health, which is ludicrous.  

 

But I promised Mind not to take these threads off topic, so perhaps we should stop here. 

Edited by Hip, 10 February 2024 - 08:39 PM.

[Hip]

I posted about this previously. You will notice that the developers of this mucosal vaccine clearly state that intramuscular vaccines are not very effective against respiratory illness. 

 

There is increasing interest in mucosal vaccines, because of the fact that they can create a strong mucosal immunity, which is ideal for respiratory and gastrointestinal viruses (and most viruses that humans catch are transmitted by the respiratory or gastrointestinal mucous membranes). 

 

However, that is not to say that systemic vaccines don't work. Nearly all current vaccines are systemic, and most work pretty well. For example, the measles vaccine eradicates all measles outbreaks provided that the majority of the population are vaccinated against measles. Same for the poliovirus vaccine. 

 

But mucosal vaccines may be able to further improve on systemic vaccines. Mucosal vaccines also have the advantage that they can be administered by nasal spray, which may help increase public compliance, as lots of people do not like needles, but a nasal spray comes across as more innocuous. 

 

 

The reason that we do not have a wide range of mucosal vaccines at present is because a lot more research and development is needed. For one thing, we don't currently have many good mucosal adjuvants, and this is necessary for inactivated mucosal vaccines. We have good adjuvants for systemic vaccines, such as aluminium hydroxide, but not for mucosal vaccines. Without an adjuvant, an inactivated mucosal vaccine will not work, as the vaccine will not "take". 

 

Another issue that hampers research and development is the fact that it is more difficult to measure the immune response elicited by the vaccine on the mucous membranes. It's easy to measure the systemic immune response (antibodies and T-cells) in the blood, to ensure the vaccine has taken, but more difficult to measure the mucosal immune response.

 

There are also other issues.

 

Nevertheless, there is increased interest in mucosal vaccines.

 

 

I was trying to make my own mucosal vaccine a few years ago, to target bacteria linked to ME/CFS. So I read a lot about the science of mucosal vaccines.

Edited by Hip, 10 February 2024 - 09:00 PM.

[Mind]

The fact that myocarditis is higher after mRNA injection than after COVID infection has been well established by a handful of observational studies. The idea that COVID infection is the cause of the recent explosion of myocarditis is likely based upon faulty data, according to this commentary/white paper from the Egyptian Heart Journal.

[Hip]

The fact that myocarditis is higher after mRNA injection than after COVID infection has been well established by a handful of observational studies.

 

How does that statement square with this systematic review and meta-analysis, which found that "the risk of myocarditis is more than seven fold higher in persons who were infected with the SARS-CoV-2 than in those who received the vaccine"?

Edited by Hip, 13 February 2024 - 04:43 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

How does that statement square with this systematic review and meta-analysis, which found that "the risk of myocarditis is more than seven fold higher in persons who were infected with the SARS-CoV-2 than in those who received the vaccine"?

 

If you're looking for myocarditis in the infected, and avoiding testing, diagnosing or looking for myocarditis in the vaccinated; you just might find substantially more myocarditis in the infected than in the vaccinated.  

 

The infected might also get far more rigorous diagnostics than those who complain about feeling a bit funny after vaccination.  

[joesixpack]

How does that statement square with this systematic review and meta-analysis, which found that "the risk of myocarditis is more than seven fold higher in persons who were infected with the SARS-CoV-2 than in those who received the vaccine"?

 

Attention: My best guess is that the people running this "analysis" is, that they fucked up, or were biased in their analysis. Because it is clear from real world observations that Myocarditis, especially in young men, is much higher in the vaccinated, than the those who contracted Covid 19. And myocarditis is more prevalent in those who were vaccinated period. That is all.

[Hip]

If you're looking for myocarditis in the infected, and avoiding testing, diagnosing or looking for myocarditis in the vaccinated; you just might find substantially more myocarditis in the infected than in the vaccinated.  

 

The infected might also get far more rigorous diagnostics than those who complain about feeling a bit funny after vaccination.  

 

Well this is why systematic reviews like the one I posted above are more reliable than individual studies. In such a review study, they will look at the methodology and quality of each individual study considered, and will typically reject studies which have poor methodology.

 

In this review, they surveyed 763 studies, and via the quality control process, whittled it down to just 22 studies. 

 

These 22 studies amounted to 58 million persons, with 55.5 million in the vaccination cohort and 2.5 million in the infection cohort.

Edited by Hip, 13 February 2024 - 08:10 PM.

[joesixpack]

The problem with this study is that the Group or Cohort of people with Covid 19 does not indicate if they were also vaccinated or not. The odds are that they were both vaccinated and infected with Covid 19. About 80% of the US population had at least one shot, and 70% are fully vaccinated. (source: https://usafacts.org...tracker-states/ )

 

About 70% of the world population has received at least one dose of the vaccine. (Source: https://ourworldinda...id-vaccinations  )

 

I would expect the number of cases of myocarditis to be much higher in people who are both vaccinated and infected with Covid 19, than in people who were only vaccinated.

 

I would like to see a study that includes a Group or Cohort of people that were infected with Covid 19 and unvaccinated. 

 

That would provide more accurate information regarding the effects of either the Covid 19 infection, or the vaccine, in causing myocarditis.

 

There are probably quite a few studies that took place starting in March of 2020, up to December 31, 2020, that consist entirely of people with the Covid 19 infection, none of whom were vaccinated.

 

Of the 22 studies used in this study, 10 had Groups or Cohorts of people infected with Covid 19, but only 4 of them were from 2020, before vaccines were used anywhere. 6 include Cohorts of people, many of whom were probably vaccinated. 

 

I wonder what the results would be if those six studies, from 2021 and 2022, were removed?

 

 

Edited by joesixpack, 13 February 2024 - 11:18 PM.

[Empiricus]

Well this is why systematic reviews like the one I posted above are more reliable than individual studies. In such a review study, they will look at the methodology and quality of each individual study considered, and will typically reject studies which have poor methodology.

 

In this review, they surveyed 763 studies, and via the quality control process, whittled it down to just 22 studies. 

 

These 22 studies amounted to 58 million persons, with 55.5 million in the vaccination cohort and 2.5 million in the infection cohort.

 

If you're a "scientist" who doesn't like to do experiments, if you're too lazy to conduct studies, instead you can toss off a meta-analysis and voila! your effort will be regarded as more "authoritative" than the work of scientists that actually made the effort to conduct actual studies.  

[Hip]

If you're a "scientist" who doesn't like to do experiments, if you're too lazy to conduct studies, instead you can toss off a meta-analysis and voila! your effort will be regarded as more "authoritative" than the work of scientists that actually made the effort to conduct actual studies.  

 

 

Let's check your assumption that conducting a systematic review and meta-analysis is a lazy approach:

 

Systematic reviews require time and effort to complete. It should not be expected to be complete a systematic review in a matter of months. An average time to complete a systematic review is between 12-18 months.

Source: Systematic Reviews & Meta-Analysis

 

 

Hmm.., a year and a half solid or more of work to complete a systematic review. Doesn't seem that lazy to me.

Edited by Hip, 14 February 2024 - 04:37 PM.

[Mind]

A bit of good news, employers who mandated the COVID injections in Australia can now be held liable for injuries/deaths from the injections. Of course, what will likely happen is that the employers will use the defense that they were "just following government pandemic guidance". ("just following orders" is the defense used during many other terrible episodes in world history)

 

Remember, in the US, hospitals and doctors were financially incentivized to dole out the COVID injections, use ventilators, remdesivir. They got extra money for every COVID patient and every COVID death. Funeral homes got extra money for every client that was labeled a COVID death. Even insurance companies were giving out money to push the injections on everyone.

 

 

[Gal220]

House Covid hearing, it wasn't honest science guiding policy

 

 

FDA Director Dr. Peter Marks Says They Received an 'Avalanche' of Adverse Event Reports After the COVID-19 Vaccines Were Released "We tried to be prepared for that but the avalanche of reports was tremendous."

https://twitter.com/...202588888252449

https://twitter.com/...322146843971936

 

 

FDA Director Dr. Peter Marks Admits He Accelerated FDA Approval of the Pfizer COVID Vaccine, Possibly to Meet Mandate Timelines 

 

MARKS: "There was an acknowledgement that an approval could allow vaccine mandates to occur...Once you have a licensed vaccine, a mandate could be placed." 

COMER: "Did you express your desire to approve the vaccine by August 20th?" 

MARKS: "I did." COMER: "And it was ultimately approved on August 23rd, correct?" 

MARKS: "Correct." 

COMER: "Just for the record, the military mandate was issued on the 24th. That is interesting timing."

 

https://twitter.com/...188073240633402

https://twitter.com/...316179389886738

 

 

"CDC Called Out for Their Failure to Update VAERS Deaths Linked to mRNA Covid-19 shot

One example, shared by Rep. Debbie Lesko, was of a NY man diagnosed of an autoimmune disease after his Covid-19 shot & later died in 2021, but years later CDC still lists him as hospitalized, despite many attempts by his family for CDC change status to deceased."

 

https://twitter.com/...208633198772673

 

 

 

FDA Director Dr. Peter Marks admits "we probably have not done a good enough job" accurately informing Americans about confirmed COVID-19 vaccine deaths and injuries.

 

https://twitter.com/...199313786708150

Edited by Gal220, 16 February 2024 - 06:34 AM.

[Hip]

The lies and deceit promulgated by the anti-vaccine movement. 

 

This BBC article details how deceitful online activists of the anti-vaccine movement exploited the on-field collapse of American football star Damar Hamlin to spread anti-vaccination propaganda. 

 

The anti-vaccine activists included congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who tweeted: "Before the covid vaccines we didn't see athletes dropping dead on the playing field like we do now... Time to investigate the covid vaccines".

 

But as usual the anti-vaccine movement's statements are predicated on ignorance. Because in fact, studies performed before the COVID pandemic indicate that there are around 100 to 150 sudden cardiac deaths during competitive sports in the US each year.

 

The henchmen of the anti-vaccine movement are thus propagating dangerous falsehoods, yet nobody prosecutes them.

 

Edited by Hip, 17 February 2024 - 06:09 AM.

[joesixpack]

 

The lies and deceit promulgated by the anti-vaccine movement. 

 

This BBC article details how deceitful online activists of the anti-vaccine movement exploited the on-field collapse of American football star Damar Hamlin to spread anti-vaccination propaganda. 

 

The anti-vaccine activists included congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who tweeted: "Before the covid vaccines we didn't see athletes dropping dead on the playing field like we do now... Time to investigate the covid vaccines".

 

But as usual the anti-vaccine movement's statements are predicated on ignorance. Because in fact, studies performed before the COVID pandemic indicate that there are around 100 to 150 sudden cardiac deaths during competitive sports in the US each year.

 

The henchmen of the anti-vaccine movement are thus propagating dangerous falsehoods, yet nobody prosecutes them.

 

I just delete these without reading. Just repeats other claims.

 

The lies and deceit promulgated by the anti-vaccine movement. 

 

This BBC article details how deceitful online activists of the anti-vaccine movement exploited the on-field collapse of American football star Damar Hamlin to spread anti-vaccination propaganda. 

 

The anti-vaccine activists included congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who tweeted: "Before the covid vaccines we didn't see athletes dropping dead on the playing field like we do now... Time to investigate the covid vaccines".

 

But as usual the anti-vaccine movement's statements are predicated on ignorance. Because in fact, studies performed before the COVID pandemic indicate that there are around 100 to 150 sudden cardiac deaths during competitive sports in the US each year.

 

The henchmen of the anti-vaccine movement are thus propagating dangerous falsehoods, yet nobody prosecutes them.

 

Deleted, no information.

Edited by joesixpack, 17 February 2024 - 06:19 AM.

[Hip]

Due to the anti-vax sentiment stirred up by anti-vaccine activists of the during the COVID pandemic, the UK is now in the midst of a measles virus outbreak. 

 

So it might be worth reading some stories about unvaccinated kids who suffered death and damage from catching measles.

 

 

[joesixpack]

Due to the anti-vax sentiment stirred up by anti-vaccine activists of the during the COVID pandemic, the UK is now in the midst of a measles virus outbreak. 

 

So it might be worth reading some stories about unvaccinated kids who suffered death and damage from catching measles.

I don't no what to say to this measles thing. When I grew up there was no vaccine, we just got measles and recovered. No on died from the measles. I guess the idea was it was a disease that was not dangerous for children, so we all got it, and were immune for life. It may be a danger for adults, I don't really know. I don't know why it is suddenly a danger for children when it never was before. If anyone has any information on these issues, please educate us.

[Hip]

Ever wondered why "healthy" athletes can suddenly drop from a sudden cardiac death?

 

Anabolic steroid use may help explain it: this study indicates that anabolic steroid use causes physiological cardiac remodelling resulting in heart hypertrophy (heart enlargement), which then risks life-threatening heart arrhythmias.

 

The study says:

 

Four principal mechanisms responsible for sudden cardiac death have been proposed in anabolic-androgenic steroid abusers: the atherogenic model, the thrombosis model, the model of vasospasm induced by the release of nitric oxide, and the direct myocardial injury model. Hypertrophy, fibrosis, and necrosis represent a substrate for arrhythmias, especially when combined with exercise.

 

 

Although anabolic steroids are prohibited by anti-doping rules, if athletes stop taking these steroids a few weeks before a competition (where they might have their blood tested by the anti-doping agencies), they can no longer be detected in the blood.

Edited by Hip, 17 February 2024 - 07:08 AM.

[joesixpack]

Ever wondered why "healthy" athletes can suddenly drop from a sudden cardiac death?

 

Anabolic steroid use may help explain it: this study indicates that anabolic steroid use causes physiological cardiac remodelling resulting in heart hypertrophy (heart enlargement), which then risks life-threatening heart arrhythmias.

 

The study says:

 

 

 

Although anabolic steroids are prohibited by anti-doping rules, if athletes stop taking these steroids a few weeks before a competition (where they might have their blood tested by the anti-doping agencies), they can no longer be detected in the blood.

They are all being tested for those, and steroids have been around for 20 years. Why are so many dying right now? This is a straw man argument.

[Gal220]

I don't no what to say to this measles thing. When I grew up there was no vaccine, we just got measles and recovered. No on died from the measles. I guess the idea was it was a disease that was not dangerous for children, so we all got it, and were immune for life. It may be a danger for adults, I don't really know. I don't know why it is suddenly a danger for children when it never was before. If anyone has any information on these issues, please educate us.

 

Article on measles here, main thing is to take vitamin A along with C(1 gram every hour) and D(20K IU daily with K2)

https://jeffreydachm...-mass-hysteria/

 

 

Easy way to get preform vitamin A is cod liver oil which also give omega3s.  Rosita and NutraPro are two good ones with mild flavor(almost like thickened water)

 

Carrots do not have vitamin A, just the precursor, which is fine IF you aren't a bad converter which many people are

[Gal220]

After another long FOIA battle, data from New Zealand. Heaven forbid we know the truth..

 

https://twitter.com/...247285492761054

 

"The New Zealand government today released gross mortality statistics by covid vax dose (including unvaccinated) under Official Information Act request"

 

 

[Hip]

They are all being tested for those, and steroids have been around for 20 years. Why are so many dying right now? This is a straw man argument.

 

Athletes are not suddenly dying right now; you've been duped by anti-vaxer posts on Twitter into believing that. 

 

It seems that many people on Longevity are so gullible, that as soon as a single tweet is posted by the anti-vaccine movement, they believe it without ever questioning.

 

 

If you care to read this article, it says:

 

Athletes, Vaccines and Cardiac Deaths

 

Fortunately, we don’t have to speculate about whether young athletes are dying or not. We can simply check.

 

... More important, the incidence of sudden cardiac death among athletes has gone down over the past 20 years. It has not been increasing and there was no spike in cases after the introduction of the vaccine...

[Hip]

Tax records reveal the lucrative world of covid misinformation

 

Children’s Health Defense, an anti-vaccine group founded by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., received $23.5 million in contributions, grants and other revenue in 2022 alone — eight times what it collected the year before the pandemic began.

 

Two other groups, Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance and America’s Frontline Doctors, went from receiving $1 million combined when they formed in 2020 to collecting more than $21 million combined in 2022, according to the latest tax filings available for the groups.

 

As the groups’ coffers grew, so did the salaries of some top executives. Children’s Health Defense paid Kennedy, then chairman and chief legal counsel and now an independent candidate for president, more than $510,000 in 2022, double his 2019 salary, tax records show. Informed Consent Action Network paid Executive Director Del Bigtree $284,000 in 2022, a 22 percent increase from 2019.

 

Kory also used Twitter to encourage his hundreds of thousands of followers to visit his telehealth practice, which charges up to $2,350 for three video appointments.

 

[Gal220]

Children's Health Defense publishes on many health concerns, including vaccines

 

2 of the original Covid vaccines are so safe they aren't even available anymore and many countries have restrictions on the mRNA flavor

https://twitter.com/...ped_query&f=top

 

Good to see they are doing well !

 

 

I think Kory, like all doctors, charge too much for the work they do.  I paid over $200 to have my sons teeth cleaned... 

 

Some doctors charged $300 to administer monoclonal antibodies, while hospitals charged $1200

My wife told me one of the worst with a cancer treatment, the Carle Clinic charged $4000.  Illinois laws forced the clinic to merge with the hospital and now the same treatment is $20,000

 

Kory has posted many of his treatments on the FLCCC.net webpage however, if anyone wants to save the cash, they can

https://covid19criti...ies/prevention/

https://covid19criti...ries/treatment/

https://covid19criti...ories/recovery/

 

 

But most of all, none of these people tortured seniors to death for 2 weeks in hospital isolation for all of 2020 so a very lucrative vaccine solution could be forced on everyone

 

"Around May, it became known the virus would be amenable to a vaccine, ALL EFFORTS on treatment were dropped. The NIH actaually had a multi drug program, they dropped it "

"There was a silencing of any information on treatment... can't get papers published"

https://youtu.be/QAHi3lX3oGM?t=661

Edited by Gal220, 23 February 2024 - 02:22 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

 

Tax records reveal the lucrative world of covid misinformation

 

Children’s Health Defense, an anti-vaccine group founded by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., received $23.5 million in contributions, grants and other revenue in 2022 alone — eight times what it collected the year before the pandemic began.

 

Two other groups, Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance and America’s Frontline Doctors, went from receiving $1 million combined when they formed in 2020 to collecting more than $21 million combined in 2022, according to the latest tax filings available for the groups.

 

As the groups’ coffers grew, so did the salaries of some top executives. Children’s Health Defense paid Kennedy, then chairman and chief legal counsel and now an independent candidate for president, more than $510,000 in 2022, double his 2019 salary, tax records show. Informed Consent Action Network paid Executive Director Del Bigtree $284,000 in 2022, a 22 percent increase from 2019.

 

Kory also used Twitter to encourage his hundreds of thousands of followers to visit his telehealth practice, which charges up to $2,350 for three video appointments.

 

 

A couple of different ways to look at this...  Perhaps this illustrates how gullible the simple folk of the world are; or perhaps how you can't fool all the people, all of the time.  

 

I trusted the government doc's when the pandemic broke out, but when it broke they were limiting hydroxychloroquine trials and EUA to hospitalized patients, I knew right away Fauci was a flim-flam man and something BIG was going on behind the scenes.  

 

Interestingly, it was Del Bigtree who informed me the only way new drugs and/or vaccines could get an EUA was if there were no established meds or protocols that provided any real benefit.  Bigtree also broke how Fauci suppressed Bactrim during the early days of AIDS, and focused on his billion dollar baby AZT.  

 

I was so desperate to get my hands on HCQ, I learned how to use bitcoin and order from overseas pharmacies.  Took this when I got sick, & my COVID adventure was a walk in the park.  Would I have been fine without this?  Perhaps, but I was glad to have something to try rather than sitting listening to the clock tick as my symptoms got worse.  Then  what...  Dial 911 for some remdesivir & a vent if you start turning blue?  Oh heck no!  

 

I actually just bought some new meds from The Wellness Company, as my old stash is expiring.  Yep, it cost a lot more than the overseas pharmacies, but I've actually got a ligit prescription for my pills, and I was glad to give them my business.  

 

Perhaps I'm just a chump when it comes to healthcare, but I did spend 35 years on the front lines as a Surgical Tech, and at 67 years of age, I've got a little wisdom.  American healthcare is most obviously captured by Big Pharma, and they're not even trying to hide it.  

[Mind]

ROFL. CHD got 23 million in donations. That is pennies compared to the hundreds of billions of dollars poured into media, NGOs, medical associations, social media influencers, etc. to push the COVID fear porn and the COVID injections. I am still surprised how many people are still unaware of how much propaganda they were exposed to during the COVID panic. Hardly any of it was true. Most people still don't know that there were a ton of fake social media accounts pretending to be doctors and nurses telling everyone about how horrible COVID was. Most of it was false and exaggerated - yet people still believe it - ignoring the science.

 

It was so bad that Sam Harris was wishing for more kids to die of COVID, just so there could be vax mandates.

 

A sign that things are changing: Even CNN is talking about the side effects from the COVID injections!!! Remember when they wouldn't talk about it at all - going so far as to shame people and censor them - preventing a discussion about the real science. Even mainstream (pharma-owned) researchers are acknowledging all of the side effects now. It looks like a planned, drip, drip, drip of revealing the true effects of the COVID injections. If the true death toll from the COVID injections was reported all at once, people would revolt.

 

[Daniel Cooper]

 

Tax records reveal the lucrative world of covid misinformation

 

Children’s Health Defense, an anti-vaccine group founded by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., received $23.5 million in contributions, grants and other revenue in 2022 alone — eight times what it collected the year before the pandemic began.

 

Two other groups, Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance and America’s Frontline Doctors, went from receiving $1 million combined when they formed in 2020 to collecting more than $21 million combined in 2022, according to the latest tax filings available for the groups.

 

As the groups’ coffers grew, so did the salaries of some top executives. Children’s Health Defense paid Kennedy, then chairman and chief legal counsel and now an independent candidate for president, more than $510,000 in 2022, double his 2019 salary, tax records show. Informed Consent Action Network paid Executive Director Del Bigtree $284,000 in 2022, a 22 percent increase from 2019.

 

Kory also used Twitter to encourage his hundreds of thousands of followers to visit his telehealth practice, which charges up to $2,350 for three video appointments.

 

 

What would your guess be as to who made more money - the "covid misinformers" or Pfizer, Moderna, et. al.?

 

[Hip]

What would your guess be as to who made more money - the "covid misinformers" or Pfizer, Moderna, et. al.?

 

The COVID vaccines were brought to us in record time, thanks to the efforts of thousands of dedicated scientists pulling out all the stops, and working 24/7 on these vaccines for 18 months. These thousands of scientists saved the day: because of their work, we could return to normal life.

 

But I would bet that few of these scientists received much financial reward for their efforts (unlike the CEO's of the pharma companies who did very nicely). I would think these scientists worked 24/7 simply because they knew it was the right thing to do.

 

Whereas Robert F. Kennedy Jr had his salary double to $510,000 during the course of the pandemic. 

 

 

Now I don't begrudge anyone who makes money out of what they do. But given that many people here have criticised the COVID vaccine crusade as just being about money, why doesn't the same criticism apply to $500k per year Kennedy?