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[Daniel Cooper]

Whereas Robert F. Kennedy Jr had his salary double to $510,000 during the course of the pandemic. 

 

 

You seem to imply RFK jr. doesn't actually believe that the covid vaccine has issues, but rather than he's merely motivated by a cynical desire for profit.

 

I don't get that from him. I think he actually believes what he's saying. That of course doesn't mean he's right. But it does mean he's not being dishonest and that he's not in it just for the profit.

[Hip]

You seem to imply RFK jr. doesn't actually believe that the covid vaccine has issues, but rather than he's merely motivated by a cynical desire for profit.

 

I don't get that from him. I think he actually believes what he's saying. That of course doesn't mean he's right. But it does mean he's not being dishonest and that he's not in it just for the profit.

 

I agree with you, I think he is genuine, even if his judgement may be questionable. 

 

But I also think the same is true of the thousands of dedicated lab scientists who created the COVID vaccines: they were not in it for the money.

[Mind]

I guess most healthcare workers in the UK are now crazy anti-vaxx conspiracy nuts (and should be  censored, harassed, and fired), because 70% are not taking any updated COVID mRNA boosters.

 

When the vast majority of healthcare workers are not taking the injections - you should ask why. If it is the safest and greatest medication ever invented, the uptake should be 100%.

 

Healthcare workers have seen the devastation caused by the COVID injections first hand. They need to start speaking up, instead of just silently refusing to take the injection anymore.

[zorba990]

You may wish to check out Dr. Judy Mikovits book, Plague of Corruption, to see how deep and far back these issues go.

[Hip]

You may wish to check out Dr. Judy Mikovits book, Plague of Corruption, to see how deep and far back these issues go.

 

I would retract that statement if I were you, otherwise you might become the laughing stock of the forum.

[zorba990]

I would retract that statement if I were you, otherwise you might become the laughing stock of the forum.

lol pot, the kettle careth not

[Dorian Grey]

I would retract that statement if I were you, otherwise you might become the laughing stock of the forum.

 

Working as a Surgical Tech for 35 years, I've known surgeons I wouldn't let fix my dog, and others I would gladly wash their feet if they asked.  My faith in the medical research boffins was always 100% and I always believed they truly were working to make treatment of disease easier and more efficient.  

 

What I saw going on back in 2020 shook my faith in science to the core. The world stood still, and a million American seniors died alone & afraid as Fauci & the other government boffins told us all DON'T TRY ANYTHING!  Even more incredible was this went on for 2 frickin years!  

 

Front line doctors claiming success with repurposed meds included Raoult, Zelenko, Fareed, Risch, Marik & Kory et al with some pretty impressive credentials: Knight of the Ordre des Palmes académiques, a NOBEL and Presidential Medal of Freedom nominee, a Yale MD PhD, 2 Pulmonary and Critical Care Specialists, and other front line doctors who risked their lives actually treating hundreds of COVID patients during the dark days of 2020/21.

 

One thing I'll always do as a rule now is LISTEN to these brave souls and hear them out. I haven't done much reading on Dr. Judy Mikovits yet, but my curiosity is piqued now.  I may just give her book a read.  

 

Regarding becoming a laughing stock...  I still feel a bit cringe when people defend Fauci & the others in the government clown car.  I do try not to poke too much fun at them though.  Manners Maketh Man!  

[Dorian Grey]

Laughing...

 

https://youtu.be/0RR...l8PKZoRmaTc3Zea

 

Stock! 

[Hip]

I haven't done much reading on Dr. Judy Mikovits yet, but my curiosity is piqued now.

 

Dr Judy Mikovits has a long history in the ME/CFS research field, so patients know her well. She claimed to find a retrovirus in ME/CFS patients called XMRV, and published a study in a very reputable journal. 

 

Unfortunately no researchers in multiple other labs around the world could replicate her findings. And later, even Dr Mikovits herself could not replicate her own work of finding XMRV. Other scientists assumed her error was due to DNA contamination of the patient blood samples; but Dr Mikovits would not let it go, claiming that her finding XMRV in ME/CFS patients was correct. Eventually it created such a controversy, that her own employer, an ME/CFS nonprofit organisation called the Whittemore Peterson Institute, sued her for non-professional behaviour. 

 

Not much was heard of her for a while, but then suddenly during the pandemic, she started pumping out dozens of videos where she was basically just ranting like a madwoman about all vaccines being a toxic nasty brew. These videos were removed as fast as she could post them, but you might still find them somewhere. Anyone with an ounce of empathy can see from the videos that she is not well. Few people know that she actually suffers from an ME/CFS-like condition herself, and I think her mental health deteriorated to the point where she started casting all vaccines as spawn of the devil.

 

Come to think of it, though, not much difference between her views and the views of many of Longecity's own home grown mental health cases!   

Edited by Hip, 25 February 2024 - 02:50 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

Fair enough Hip.  As I said, I really haven't heard much from her.  

 

What do you think is going on with her?  Is she stark raving mad, or just dim? Stoned?  Stupid?  

 

Does she think she'll make millions with her opinions?  She seems well educated.  Was she trying to be helpful?  Or deliberately harm?  

 

Most accomplished people have made some mistakes in life.  The only way to live error free is to never do anything at all.  

 

Is she a criminal mastermind, like Dr Evil?  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 25 February 2024 - 04:07 AM.

[Hip]

What do you think is going on with her? 

 

Physical ill health can create mental ill health. If you have an underlying physical disease, and Dr Mikovits has an ME/CFS-like condition, then it can also affect your brain and consequently your mental health, your judgement, your mental clarity, etc. 

[Mind]

Vertigo and tinnitus is caused by the COVID injections. This is one of several (peer-reviewed) studies about the nervous system issues associated with the COVID injections, many posted here.

 

Here a large group of researchers have analyzed post COVID injection problems (including neuropathy).

 

Here is a specific case study (autopsies) of a young man dying of fatal heart arrythmia shortly after the COVID injections. Who still believes the injection "just stays in your arm".

 

Hundreds of autopsies have been performed conclusively proving causality, yet,

 

The CDC and FDA continue to push the injections for everyone down to toddlers. It is embarrassing that the rest of the world is more rational, evidenced-based, and ethical than the U.S. There is hardly any other country that is still constantly pushing the COVID injections. Most other countries gave up on the injections a couple years ago.

 

I can't believe people still post "guidance" and "studies" from the CDC proving how great the COVID injections are. I can't believe people still believe the CDC about how "deadly" COVID is. The CDC openly lied about tracking the safety of the injections and THEY CONTINUE TO HIDE THE V-SAFE data. This is truly criminal! Who is going to stop them? Who is going to investigate?

[Hip]

For those ostriches who downplay the devastation caused by SARS-CoV-2 (by ignoring the deaths and ignoring long COVID) here is yet another wave of devastation that may have involved the COVID virus: 

 

From 2020 to 2022, a quarter of a million more Americans over 35 years old succumbed to cardiovascular disease than predicted based on historical trends.

Rates from deaths related to hypertensive heart disease, rhythm abnormalities, blood clots, diabetes and kidney failure were 15-28% higher.

Scientists are still trying to figure out why. It’s unclear how many people died from Covid’s cardiovascular complications and how many died because of its indirect consequences, such as disrupted medical care and worsening rates of obesity and high blood pressure.

 

 

 

 

Those of us who are aware of the heart damaging effects of viruses may know that 40% of people who died suddenly of a heart attack had evidence of an enterovirus infection in their heart tissues.

 

Given that there are about 225,000 fatal heart attacks per year in the US, if enterovirus is the cause of these heart attacks, it would mean that enterovirus is killing 90,000 people per year in the US alone. And enterovirus is not the only virus linked to sudden heart attacks in the previously healthy.

 

The link between viruses and heart attacks / heart disease has been known for a while, but the medical profession seem to do little about it (they should be introducing enterovirus vaccines that would protect against heart attack).

 

 

Since we know SARS-CoV-2 can infect the heart muscle, and since long COVID illnesses suggest SARS-CoV-2 can be a persistent virus in the body tissues, it's perhaps not surprising that we are seeing more heart disease since the pandemic.

 

Edited by Hip, 27 February 2024 - 08:28 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

 

For those ostriches who downplay the devastation caused by SARS-CoV-2 (by ignoring the deaths and ignoring long COVID) here is yet another wave of devastation that may have involved the COVID virus: 

 

From 2020 to 2022, a quarter of a million more Americans over 35 years old succumbed to cardiovascular disease than predicted based on historical trends.

 

 

 

 

 

Those of us who are aware of the heart damaging effects of viruses may know that 40% of people who died suddenly of a heart attack had evidence of an enterovirus infection in their heart tissues.

 

Given that there are about 225,000 fatal heart attacks per year in the US, if enterovirus is the cause of these heart attacks, it would mean that enterovirus is killing 90,000 people per year in the US alone. And enterovirus is not the only virus linked to sudden heart attacks in the previously healthy.

 

The link between viruses and heart attacks / heart disease has been known for a while, but the medical profession seem to do little about it (they should be introducing enterovirus vaccines that would protect against heart attack).

 

 

Since we know SARS-CoV-2 can infect the heart muscle, and since long COVID illnesses suggest SARS-CoV-2 can be a persistent virus in the body tissues, it's perhaps not surprising that we are seeing more heart disease since the pandemic.

 

 

Are we applying pre-omicron rationales for vaccination to a post omicron world?  

 

Yep...  Those early variants were spooky/dreadful, and I'm glad I got my J&J in April & November of '21.  

 

I also thank God for hydroxychloroquine that made my 2 COVID adventures a walk in the park.  

 

So now I'm vaxxed, boosted, infected (double infected) and recovered; and the variants circulating are quite mild compared to where we were.  

 

Let's all admit, the vaccines are not zero risk.  Now...  How many more boosts do I really need?  I can't help but think only God knows what is more dangerous at this point in the game.  One or two additional boosts per year, potentially in addition to a new infection?  Or perhaps just the new infection, with my existing immunity.  

 

Anyone who says "they know" the answer to this probably should not be trusted.  We really don't know for sure, either way.  

[Hip]

So now I'm vaxxed, boosted, infected (double infected) and recovered; and the variants circulating are quite mild compared to where we were.  

 

Whether COVID vaccination will prevent the virus setting up a long term home in the heart tissues is not clear.

 

Vaccination greatly reduces your chances of death by COVID, but the vaccine is not that effective at reducing your chances of getting the ME/CFS form of long COVID, which some researcher believe is an illness caused by a chronic SARS-CoV-2 infection living in the body tissues.

 

So likewise, perhaps vaccination may not reduce your chances of getting heart disease from SARS-CoV-2 either (assuming that this virus is indeed responsible for the uptick in heart disease cases).

[Gal220]

 

For those ostriches who downplay the devastation caused by SARS-CoV-2 (by ignoring the deaths and ignoring long COVID) here is yet another wave of devastation that may have involved the COVID virus: 

 

From 2020 to 2022, a quarter of a million more Americans over 35 years old succumbed to cardiovascular disease than predicted based on historical trends.

 

 

Its called early treatment, something the medical community abandoned so they could exploit the fool out of us with a very lucrative therapeutic(8 injections now, if not an antivaxxer...)

 

Keep vitamin C, D levels up 

 

If symptoms

-Nasal and gargle with anti-septics every 4 hours

-Nattokinase to digest up the spike protein and clear the micro clots (link)

-probiotics(Bifidobacterium),

-beta glucans

 

Some combination of antivirals

-ionic zinc + egcg/quercetin/HCQ, licorice, benedryl+lactoferrin. IVM, IP6

 

 

Video proof early treatment works, over 7,000 treated, many in poor health

https://twitter.com/...ped_query&f=top

 

 

Instead, wash your hands, wait for the vax...

[Gal220]

Many clips in Senator Johnson's timeline from the recent vaccine hearing

 

https://twitter.com/senronjohnson

 

https://twitter.com/...235701532238270

https://twitter.com/...514459770150918

https://twitter.com/...181911932281007

https://twitter.com/...265806002352386

 

 

Full video 

https://rumble.com/v...hey-hiding.html

Edited by Gal220, 28 February 2024 - 04:56 AM.

[Hip]

Its called early treatment

 

Early treatment may not prevent SARS-CoV-2 getting into your heart. If SARS-CoV-2 persists in various pockets or reservoirs in the body after the acute infection is over, it may make its way from these pockets and into the heart many months later. 

 

Also, SARS-CoV-2 is not the only virus associated with heart issues: viruses such as enteroviruses, adenoviruses, cytomegalovirus, parvovirus B19 and rubella are all associated with sudden heart attacks in the previously healthy, or chronic heart disease. 

Edited by Hip, 28 February 2024 - 05:44 AM.

[Gal220]

"Early treatment may not prevent SARS-CoV-2 getting into your heart"

 

Yes, we have actually implement the treatment to see, instead wash your hands

[Dorian Grey]

Early treatment may not prevent SARS-CoV-2 getting into your heart. If SARS-CoV-2 persists in various pockets or reservoirs in the body after the acute infection is over, it may make its way from these pockets and into the heart many months later. 

 

Also, SARS-CoV-2 is not the only virus associated with heart issues: viruses such as enteroviruses, adenoviruses, cytomegalovirus, parvovirus B19 and rubella are all associated with sudden heart attacks in the previously healthy, or chronic heart disease. 

 

If vaccines don't prevent infection and/or symptomatic disease, it's hard to imagine how they might prevent a persistent infection.  

 

Personally, I like the idea of inhibiting viral reproduction, giving my own natural immune system time to recognize and respond to the new variants, rather than getting a vaccine with outdated variants, which may only confuse my immune response.  

 

Perhaps a hybrid of vaccination and early treatment might be ideal, but my humble opinion would be that early treatment would be the cornerstone of this philosophy.  To vaccinate for outdated variants, and then simply let new variants run wild, with no braking from therapeutics doesn't make a lot of sense.  

[Daniel Cooper]

As someone that got two Pfizer shots, most concerning.

 

Genomics Expert Who Discovered DNA Contamination in mRNA Shots Accuses Regulators of Lying About Cancer Risks

 

We never should have rolled out experimental technology on several billion test subjects.

 

 

[Empiricus]

As someone that got two Pfizer shots, most concerning.

 

Genomics Expert Who Discovered DNA Contamination in mRNA Shots Accuses Regulators of Lying About Cancer Risks

 

We never should have rolled out experimental technology on several billion test subjects.

 

I agree, but I don't think we had anything to do with it. Probably not even Hip. 

[Mind]

Some doctors have the honesty and integrity to apologize for ignoring the known risks of the COVID injections. Hopefully more will come forward.

 

What is so unbelievable is that the injections continue to be pushed relentlessly by the US/UK governments and the FDA/CDC without any valid long term RCT evidence. There is no RCT study proving the effectiveness of the boosters, combinations of various vaccines, or multiples boosters. The FDA/CDC continues to ignore all of the peer-reviewed evidence of serious adverse events and fatalities. The FDA/CDC continue to ignore the contamination problems.

 

If that wasn't bad enough, the CDC has been lying to the public and hiding data.

 

If that wasn't bad enough, most of the pandemic policies were made up out of thin air.

 

The US/UK "health" bureaucrats might as well start promoting witchcraft, astrology, etc...

[Daniel Cooper]

I agree, but I don't think we had anything to do with it. Probably not even Hip. 

 

Oh sure. None of that is our fault.

 

Honestly I think some in the US health bureaucracy were so freaked out when the pandemic hit because they knew it almost certainly came from the Wuhan lab which they had a hand in that they were like a drowning man grasping at a life preserver when Moderna and Pfizer told them they they had a solution. I think their personal engagement in this issue caused them to throw caution to the wind in a desperate attempt to make it all go away. Fauci, Collins, probably others as well. That's the problem when you have highly placed bureaucrats like these people that are doing things like skirting bans on gain of function research with a wink and a nod and then it blows up in their faces. They can't be objective about anything at that point. Objectively - the first roll out of a new vaccine technology that had never been previously approved shouldn't entail giving it to literally a few billion people. That was never a prudent decision.

[Mind]

Oh sure. None of that is our fault.

 

Honestly I think some in the US health bureaucracy were so freaked out when the pandemic hit because they knew it almost certainly came from the Wuhan lab which they had a hand in that they were like a drowning man grasping at a life preserver when Moderna and Pfizer told them they they had a solution. I think their personal engagement in this issue caused them to throw caution to the wind in a desperate attempt to make it all go away. Fauci, Collins, probably others as well. That's the problem when you have highly placed bureaucrats like these people that are doing things like skirting bans on gain of function research with a wink and a nod and then it blows up in their faces. They can't be objective about anything at that point. Objectively - the first roll out of a new vaccine technology that had never been previously approved shouldn't entail giving it to literally a few billion people. That was never a prudent decision.

 

Agreed, but don't forget the tens of BILLIONS of dollars (well-documented) that were being doled out behind the scenes, to media, to social media influencers, hospital systems, doctors, regulators, to buy compliance and to push the injections. It wasn't all just behind the scenes "oh crap, our research unleashed a pandemic". Much of it was plain old cronyism. Tens of billions of dollars in direct payments, plus a couple trillion in national guarantees to continue buying the injections, buys a lot of compliance and fosters a lot of corruption.

[joesixpack]

As someone that got two Pfizer shots, most concerning.

 

Genomics Expert Who Discovered DNA Contamination in mRNA Shots Accuses Regulators of Lying About Cancer Risks

 

We never should have rolled out experimental technology on several billion test subjects.

 

You might find this video from Dr. Annette Bosworth, about a peer reviewed article that discussed the DNA contamination in the vaccines, that was subsequently rejected by the editor, because it did not support the Vaccination story. 

 

https://www.youtube....38nsP5Rw&t=600s

[Hip]

Is there a word or phrase for the act of constantly drawing attention to minor, superfluous or nitpicking issues which have no proven import for the situation at hand?

 

Because that's the entire modus operandi of the vaccine skeptics here. 

 

On Longecity, we constantly see posts by the vaccine skeptics drawing attention to minor issues of the COVID vaccines — issues which have never been proven to be an actual problem.

 

The nearest phrase I can think of is "crying wolf".

 

If the same level of scrutiny was applied to other vaccines, or to any pharmaceutical products for that matter, I am sure you would also find dozens of minor issues. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Daniel Cooper]

 

If the same level of scrutiny was applied to other vaccines, or to any pharmaceutical products for that matter, I am sure you would also find dozens of minor issues. 

 

Given that mRNA vaccines were new technology, don't you think that an extra level of scrutiny is warranted? 

[Mind]

Given that mRNA vaccines were new technology, don't you think that an extra level of scrutiny is warranted? 

 

Of course. Remember:

 

-The COVID injections were approved despite there NEVER being a successful animal or human trial. All of the animal trials failed. ALL. OF. THEM. The human trials were rushed and fraudulent (well-documented and published). Some booster trials involved just a handful of mice.

 

-The J&J shot was paused when just 6 people reported possible heart issues. Now we have proven heart problems/deaths numbering in the millions and the FDA could care less.

 

-Plus there are millions of other reports of serious issues (not minor issues), like neurological issues, including skyrocketing rates of tinnitus/hearing loss. Remember when they said "it just stays in your arm". Total BS. The injections are spreading all over the body and causing autoimmune problems among many other serious deleterious effects.

 

When the CDC says don't worry, side effects are rare, you should not believe them because they have lied to the public (self-admitted) and continue to hide data from the public.

[Hip]

Given that mRNA vaccines were new technology, don't you think that an extra level of scrutiny is warranted? 

 

Yes, it is normal for something new to receive extra scrutiny. Just look at all the scrutiny that mobile phone cellular networks and WiFi received when they were introduced. There was a degree of alarm and panic about everyone being bathed in microwaves, and countries like Sweden even created WiFi free zones in their schools and hospitals, due to the concern. 

 

These days, we have got used to the presence of WiFi and mobile phones, and don't worry about them much now.

 

So it would be normal to scrutinise a new technology like mRNA vaccines. 

 

 

However, my point is that the same amount of minor issues that have been posted on Longevity about the mRNA vaccines would probably been found in any older traditional vaccine, had that vaccine received the same amount of scrutiny. Any time you closely scrutinise anything, you are going to find minor issues.

 

Anyone casually reading these COVID threads might think the mRNA vaccines are laden with problems. But this is not the case. 

 

 

The main problem with any vaccine, including the COVD vaccines, is that they sometimes trigger ME/CFS, which is a horrible lifetime affliction. I consider this the most serious issue with vaccination, and one that must be investigated thoroughly. Getting ME/CFS is tantamount to a death sentence.