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[Galaxyshock]

I see a trend towards decrease in quality arguments and increase in personal attacks in this debate.

[Dorian Grey]

I see a trend towards decrease in quality arguments and increase in personal attacks in this debate.

 

Agree...  The pandemic is essentially over...  Nothing left to debate, so let's all bicker about water long under the bridge amongst ourselves till we're sick & tired of each other!  

 

The vaccines, for better or worse, are now just another flu shot we can take or leave as we choose.  

 

I still think it is imperative to have meds on hand to take at the first sign of viral illness.  Mine are HCQ + Zinc, which made both of my infections a walk in the park.  

 

We also have Paxlovid if you can get your hands on it early enough to do any good (3 days max) and afford it.  (and don't mind dealing with the rebound infections!)

 

Funny how I'm still drawn to this area of the forum, & enjoy ranting on it.  I still can't believe they got away with forbidding outpatient treatment for two years, while millions fell dreadfully ill & died, all to facilitate the EUAs for Big Pharma's Billion Dollar Babies.  

 

It was the crime of the century, and a great many are still too shell shocked to realize what actually happened.  If there is anything more to discuss, it is this...  The isolate at home till you turn blue Holocaust of 2020/21, and how to prevent it from ever happening again.  

 

See you on the dark side of the moon!  

Edited by Dorian Grey, 10 March 2024 - 04:04 PM.

[Gal220]

It is a real world study at the Cleveland Clinc, anyone can look at the chart and see an awfully consistent pattern for doses and infection.

 

By regulatory definition, the shots are gene therapy.  Manipulating the cell to produce the spike protein is gene therapy

https://independentv...r-gene-therapy/

 

Whether they can integrate into the DNA remains to be seen, but it is possible.  Recent DNA contamination discoveries make it even more likely. We will know for certain soon though

https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73

[Gal220]

I see a trend towards decrease in quality arguments and increase in personal attacks in this debate.

 

They just recommended the 9th shot and started using the technology in the flu shot

 

More damaging information keeps dripping out and safety data is being withheld.  Draw your own conclusions

https://twitter.com/...599284505473033

Edited by Gal220, 10 March 2024 - 04:26 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

They just recommended the 9th shot and started using the technology in the flu shot

 

More damaging information keeps dripping out and safety data is being withheld.  Draw your own conclusions

https://twitter.com/...599284505473033

 

Yep...  I heard someone comment the boosters are looking like they are going to be coming along every 4 months.  

 

If you figure the jab only became widely available in mid 2021, that's going to be about 10 shots in 36 months if they add another this this Summer?  

 

I don't regret my 2 J&J's in 2021, though I would have punted on the November '21 jab if I know omicron was coming to save the world.  

 

Very glad I never got an mRNA!  If these are causing the harm many see, it should become painfully obvious to all before too much longer. 

[Mind]

It is not water under the bridge. The response to the COVID panic was disastrous on many fronts and almost no one is being held accountable.

 

The CDC is hiding safety data regarding the COVID injections!! We should be very concerned about this. 

 

This recent study out of Germany (just a pre-print), finds clear evidence of dramatic excess mortality after the roll-out of the COVID injections. Whether the excess mortality is from the injections or the disastrous pandemic policies can be debated, but either or, it was driven by incompetent tyrannical "health" bureaucrats - who are still in power and ready to do the same things again.

 

If there is no accountability, the next time will be worse, much worse. There will be no new interventions. Promising therapeutics and other treatment modalities will never be developed.

[Hip]

It is a real world study at the Cleveland Clinc, anyone can look at the chart and see an awfully consistent pattern for doses and infection.

Anyone can look at the Cleveland Clinic study, but not everyone has the nous to interpret the results.

 

You will note that the Cleveland Clinic is both a hospital and a medical research centre.

 

Clearly hospital clinical staff who constantly meet patients all day long — and therefore are much more likely to catch COVID — are probably the ones who were given the most vaccines (for their own protection), compared to the academic staff who are working quietly in their labs away from patients. 

 

This alone can explain why staff who were more vaccinated caught COVID more.

 

And during the pandemic, the hospital clinical staff may have been very stressed out and overworked, as many hospitals were under pressure during the pandemic; and it is known that chronic stress weakens antiviral immunity (though paradoxically stress boosts antibacterial immunity).

  

Edited by Hip, 10 March 2024 - 05:25 PM.

[Hip]

I see a trend towards decrease in quality arguments and increase in personal attacks in this debate.

 

The quality of debate throughout Western society has diminished in the last decade or so. Many commentators have noticed this. I think this may be in part due to the rise of populism, where untutored members of the public believe their opinions are worth as much as the expert's. 

 

There is nothing wrong with the general public engaging in debate, but they need to do their homework before arguing about highly technical subjects. 

 

Unfortunately the general public often bring anger and aggression into debate, usually as a result of only half understanding a technical subject, and so misconstruing the circumstances. Or they are angry because they were duped by some conspiracy theory, or duped by some clickbait website that aims to raise anger, as a formula to increase their website's audience. These people are often not smart enough to realise that they have become the clickbait of a website which trades on raising anger. 

 

Consequently, when someone with a scientific mind meets someone who is angry and untutored, you get poor quality debate. 

 

A lot of the time, angry untutored individuals cannot be reasoned with, and they are unable to learn. What you see on these Longecity COVID threads is the same themes posted again and again, even though they have been debunked and dealt with. 

Edited by Hip, 10 March 2024 - 05:30 PM.

[joesixpack]

You criticize this person's Cannabis beliefs, but continue to promote these leaky experimental gene therapy vaccines which have shown to increase your chances of covid in a dose dependent fashion

https://twitter.com/...727870303404032

 

 

All the while, Health orgs continue to hide safety information 

https://twitter.com/...974190983626869

https://twitter.com/...599284505473033

 

 

I don't plan to take either one, but cannabis is far safer..

I stopped Flu shots 20 years ago for the simple reason that they don't work.

 

Now that they are MRNA, I have two reasons not to take them.

[joesixpack]

The quality of debate throughout Western society has diminished in the last decade or so. Many commentators have noticed this. I think this may be in part due to the rise of populism, where untutored members of the public believe their opinions are worth as much as the expert's. 

 

There is nothing wrong with the general public engaging in debate, but they need to do their homework before arguing about highly technical subjects. 

 

Unfortunately the general public often bring anger and aggression into debate, usually as a result of only half understanding a technical subject, and so misconstruing the circumstances. Or they are angry because they were duped by some conspiracy theory, or duped by some clickbait website that aims to raise anger, as a formula to increase their website's audience. These people are often not smart enough to realise that they have become the clickbait of a website which trades on raising anger. 

 

Consequently, when someone with a scientific mind meets someone who is angry and untutored, you get poor quality debate. 

 

A lot of the time, angry untutored individuals cannot be reasoned with, and they are unable to learn. What you see on these Longecity COVID threads is the same themes posted again and again, even though they have been debunked and dealt with. 

Let me guess. You are the "scientific mind" and the "angry and untutored" is anyone that disagrees with you.

[Hip]

I stopped Flu shots 20 years ago for the simple reason that they don't work.

 
Thanks for providing the untutored perspective on flu vaccines! Don't tell me: you read a tweet by some random person online saying that flu vaccines do not work, and you believe them.

 

In fact, flu vaccines cut the number of flu cases in half, which saves a lot of lives, not to mention taking a great deal of burden off the hospitals during winter. By taking the pressure off hospitals in the winter, the flu vaccine frees up doctors and nurses to take care of non-flu patients. 

 

 

 

Let me guess. You are the "scientific mind" and the "angry and untutored" is anyone that disagrees with you.

No, I would not put myself forward as a scientific mind when it comes to understanding of medical science; I studied physics and mathematics, not medicine; but I know enough science to be able to distinguish the untutored charlatans from a genuine scientist. 

 

 

Edited by Hip, 11 March 2024 - 01:48 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

 
Thanks for providing the untutored perspective on flu vaccines! Don't tell me: you read a tweet by some random person online saying that flu vaccines do not work, and you believe them.

 

In fact, flu vaccines cut the number of flu cases in half, which saves a lot of lives, not to mention taking a great deal of burden off the hospitals during winter. By taking the pressure off hospitals in the winter, the flu vaccine frees up doctors and nurses to take care of non-flu patients. 

 

 

 

No, I would not put myself forward as a scientific mind when it comes to understanding of medical science; I studied physics and mathematics, not medicine; but I know enough science to be able to distinguish the untutored charlatans from a genuine scientist. 

 

Flu-Shot Follies Fact:

 

Four studies from Canada, “consistently found that vaccination in 2008/09 for seasonal influenza was associated with a 1.4- to 2.5-fold increased risk for hospitalization for H1N1 infection.” The gist of these findings suggests that people who submit to yearly flu vaccines may be weakening their immune system, making them more susceptible to severe disease when exposed to pandemic type strains such as the H1N1virus which circulated during the 2009-2010 flu season.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2850386/

"Negative Effectiveness" for flu shots in those who had gotten the shots regularly.  I found a link to the Canadian study here:

 

http://www.cidrap.um...-year-flu-shots

[Hip]

 

Flu-Shot Follies Fact:

 

Four studies from Canada, “consistently found that vaccination in 2008/09 for seasonal influenza was associated with a 1.4- to 2.5-fold increased risk for hospitalization for H1N1 infection.” The gist of these findings suggests that people who submit to yearly flu vaccines may be weakening their immune system, making them more susceptible to severe disease when exposed to pandemic type strains such as the H1N1virus which circulated during the 2009-2010 flu season.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2850386/

"Negative Effectiveness" for flu shots in those who had gotten the shots regularly.  I found a link to the Canadian study here:

 

http://www.cidrap.um...-year-flu-shots

 

 

Why not make an effort to critique and find flaws in the studies you post yourself, rather than always rely on me to debunk them. I am sure if you spend some time looking into them, you will uncover the flaws.

 

I am more mentally tired after catching COVID two years ago and developing long COVID on top of my existing ME/CFS. So I need to delegate the debunking work!

 

Edited by Hip, 11 March 2024 - 04:15 AM.

[Dorian Grey]

Why not make an effort to critique and find flaws in the studies you post yourself, rather than always rely on me to debunk them. I am sure if you spend some time looking into them, you will uncover the flaws.

 

I am more mentally tired after catching COVID two years ago and developing long COVID on top of my existing ME/CFS. So I need to delegate the debunking work!

 

A wise man will always consider the possibility he may be wrong, rather than assume he is infallible.  

 

Is it possible these data may not need debunking?  Or are you quite confident in your infallibility?  

 

If you're not physically or mentally up to debate, perhaps it might be wise to avoid challenging others to debate, only to tell them you're too tired to respond? 

 

I am too awe-struck by my own genius to debate myself.  

[Hip]

Is it possible these data may not need debunking?   

 

 

What I am saying is that you guys seem to think I am some sort of street garbage collector.

 

You throw all sorts of rubbish articles and studies on to these threads, and you expect the science-minded people to clear up the mess.

 

 

You post any old rubbish that you find on Twitter, without checking it.

 

Mind recently posted a pre-print study which claimed that there was no COVID pandemic in the UK, and all the deaths were due to hospital doctors euthanising elderly people!

 

I kid you not. Mind actually posted this garbage a some days ago.

[joesixpack]

It must be exhausting to spend your days cherry picking factoids and locating studies, and opinions, in order to create a reality that coincides with your preconceived notions of reality.

 

FYI, the Ex Governor of New York is being investigated for his role in sending Covid positive elderly hospital patients back to the nursing homes they came from. This resulted in many nursing home deaths from Covid 19.

[Dorian Grey]

What I am saying is that you guys seem to think I am some sort of street garbage collector.

 

You throw all sorts of rubbish articles and studies on to these threads, and you expect the science-minded people to clear up the mess.

 

 

You post any old rubbish that you find on Twitter, without checking it.

 

Mind recently posted a pre-print study which claimed that there was no COVID pandemic in the UK, and all the deaths were due to hospital doctors euthanising elderly people!

 

I kid you not. Mind actually posted this garbage a some days ago.

 

So if Mind's preprint was rubbish, that means mine are too?  

 

CIDRAP isn't exactly a rogue conspiracy theory think tank...  Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (University of Minnesota);  Michael T. Osterholm PhD / MPH (director).

 

The other paper is co-authored by over 20 different scientists; and both are in agreement...  Annual flu shots have a downside of reduced effectiveness.  

[Galaxyshock]

Agree...  The pandemic is essentially over...  Nothing left to debate, so let's all bicker about water long under the bridge amongst ourselves till we're sick & tired of each other!  

 

The vaccines, for better or worse, are now just another flu shot we can take or leave as we choose.  

 

I still think it is imperative to have meds on hand to take at the first sign of viral illness.  Mine are HCQ + Zinc, which made both of my infections a walk in the park.  

 

We also have Paxlovid if you can get your hands on it early enough to do any good (3 days max) and afford it.  (and don't mind dealing with the rebound infections!)

 

Funny how I'm still drawn to this area of the forum, & enjoy ranting on it.  I still can't believe they got away with forbidding outpatient treatment for two years, while millions fell dreadfully ill & died, all to facilitate the EUAs for Big Pharma's Billion Dollar Babies.  

 

It was the crime of the century, and a great many are still too shell shocked to realize what actually happened.  If there is anything more to discuss, it is this...  The isolate at home till you turn blue Holocaust of 2020/21, and how to prevent it from ever happening again.  

 

See you on the dark side of the moon!  

 

Yeah plenty of things to learn from the covid pandemic, I think the aftermath of the COVID pandemic deserves its own thread, this one was originally about COVID vaccines and their effect on longevity. What can be done when the next pandemic hits (it's coming alright, sooner or later) and what we shouldn't do.

[Hip]

Annual flu shots have a downside of reduced effectiveness.  

 

A reduced effectiveness when getting flu shots two years in a row is not the same as joesixpack's comment that "flu shots do not work", which is the comment that I objected to. 

 

If this reduced effectiveness is true, then it ought to be investigated, to see if it might be mitigated somehow.

 

 

I found this paper which offers a tentative explanation of the phenomenon: 

This hypothesis holds that the impact on the current season’s vaccine effectiveness is most pronounced when the difference between last season’s vaccine component and the current season’s vaccine component is small (this year they’re identical).

 

In that case, the current season’s vaccine may boost memory of the earlier vaccine’s antibody responses; then these “old” antibodies may mop up the current vaccine’s antigen before the newly vaccinated person can mount an immune response to it (this is called antibody interference).

 

So basically they are saying when last year's vaccine is very similar or identical to this year's vaccine, the antibodies that last year's vaccine trained the immune system to make are then targeting and neutralising the viral particles found in this year's vaccine (because those viral particles are identical or very similar to the viral particles in last year's vaccine). This means the 2nd vaccine does not work properly.

 

In other words, the 2nd vaccine gets neutralised by the body's own trained immune response to the flu virus contained within that 2nd vaccine. 

 

 

Edited by Hip, 13 March 2024 - 05:40 AM.

[Hip]

More egg on the face of Longecity's vaccine skeptics: this article details a very large study on more than 20 million people across the UK, Spain and Estonia.

 

The study found COVID vaccines cut risk of COVID virus-related heart failure and blood clots:

 

Covid vaccines, including those from Oxford-AstraZeneca, Pfizer and Moderna, proved highly effective at preventing severe disease in the pandemic, but medicines regulators also recorded increases in some rare heart and clotting conditions, similar to those found with other vaccines such as flu shots.

 

The latest study sought to investigate the overall impact of a Covid vaccination, given that infection with the virus itself is known to significantly raise the risk of heart failure and various other serious cardiovascular problems.

 

“What we show in this very large study is that people who are vaccinated are at a very much reduced risk of these complications post-Covid,” said Daniel Prieto-Alhambra, a professor of pharmaco- and device epidemiology at the University of Oxford and a senior author on the study.

 

The researchers describe how the adenovirus-based Covid vaccines produced by Oxford-AstraZeneca and Janssen, and the mRNA-based vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, were most protective against Covid-related heart failure and blood clots in the first month after contracting the virus.

 

In that period, the risk of heart failure was 55% lower, and the risks of blood clots in the veins and arteries were down 78% and 47% respectively, compared with rates in unvaccinated people.

 

While the protective effects of the vaccines waned over the longer term, those who received Covid shots remained at lower risk of Covid-related heart failure and blood clots than unvaccinated individuals for up to a year, the researchers found.

 

Three to six months after infection, the risk of heart failure in vaccinated people was 39% lower than in unvaccinated people, with the risk of blood clots in the veins and arteries down 47% and 28% respectively. From six to 12 months post-infection, the risks of the same complications were 48%, 50% and 38% lower, respectively, for vaccinated people.

 

Will the murdering antivaxer scumbags like Joseph Mercola, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Tucker Carlson and Sayer Ji now come out and apologise for their heinous errors, and apologise to the families of the people who died because of the vaccine hesitancy their antivax messaging caused. These evil people are responsible for masses of death by the antivax adverts they broadcast on social media.

 

I think they should all report to the nearest police station, and hand themselves in as guilty of homicide. 

Edited by Hip, 13 March 2024 - 05:54 AM.

[joesixpack]

 

More egg on the face of Longecity's vaccine skeptics: this article details a very large study on more than 20 million people across the UK, Spain and Estonia.

 

The study found COVID vaccines cut risk of COVID virus-related heart failure and blood clots:

 

 

Will the murdering antivaxer scumbags like Joseph Mercola, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Tucker Carlson and Sayer Ji now come out and apologise for their heinous errors, and apologise to the families of the people who died because of the vaccine hesitancy their antivax messaging caused. These evil people are responsible for masses of death by the antivax adverts they broadcast on social media.

 

I think they should all report to the nearest police station, and hand themselves in as guilty of homicide. 

 

 

This is what I meant, calling people antivaxer scumbags is not the way to get people to read your posts, in a positive way. Try, Skeptics on the vaccines, have some problems with the untested, and illegal EUA fake vaccines are Killing people! They should all be stood up against a wall and shot!

 

That might get some attention.

[Dorian Grey]

 

More egg on the face of Longecity's vaccine skeptics: this article details a very large study on more than 20 million people across the UK, Spain and Estonia.

 

The study found COVID vaccines cut risk of COVID virus-related heart failure and blood clots:

 

 

Will the murdering antivaxer scumbags like Joseph Mercola, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Tucker Carlson and Sayer Ji now come out and apologise for their heinous errors, and apologise to the families of the people who died because of the vaccine hesitancy their antivax messaging caused. These evil people are responsible for masses of death by the antivax adverts they broadcast on social media.

 

I think they should all report to the nearest police station, and hand themselves in as guilty of homicide. 

 

 

Gave the story a look & found the study.  Looks like some of the data was collected during pre-omicron and nothing past 2022.  

 

"Data availability for CPRD Gold ended in December 2021, CPRD Aurum in January 2022, SIDIAP in June 2022 and CORIVA in December 2022."

 

Don't know how many boosters & updated jabs most of them got, but I recall I was considered "fully vaccinated" with my one-and-done J&J, and many in the study appear to have had the one-and-done AZ.  It appears we're up to 9 jabs with the latest recommendation here now, and the bad old days of alpha/Delta COVID are long gone. 

 

It would be interesting to see if anyone is looking at more current data to see if a "that was then, this is now" factor might apply.  Are patients still dropping down dead with omicron heart attack?  Are vaccine related cardiac issues becoming more of an issue as we approach double digit jabs?     

[Dorian Grey]

 

A reduced effectiveness when getting flu shots two years in a row is not the same as joesixpack's comment that "flu shots do not work", which is the comment that I objected to. 

 

If this reduced effectiveness is true, then it ought to be investigated, to see if it might be mitigated somehow.

 

 

I found this paper which offers a tentative explanation of the phenomenon: 

 

So basically they are saying when last year's vaccine is very similar or identical to this year's vaccine, the antibodies that last year's vaccine trained the immune system to make are then targeting and neutralising the viral particles found in this year's vaccine (because those viral particles are identical or very similar to the viral particles in last year's vaccine). This means the 2nd vaccine does not work properly.

 

In other words, the 2nd vaccine gets neutralised by the body's own trained immune response to the flu virus contained within that 2nd vaccine. 

 

 

Ahh...  The plot thickens!  I've posted on my experience with the flu shots.  Never used to get them, but when I started working at a woman's center, around pregnant women & newborns I thought it might be wise to keep all as safe as possible, so I went down & got my first jab in decades down at employee health.  

 

Fell ill with astonishing swiftness...  No, not with flu, but a wicked head cold that went down into my lungs and left me coughing for over a month.  First cold I'd had in quite a while, & I couldn't help but notice how swiftly it came on the heels of my flu shot.  Weird coincidence!  

 

Next year, I got the flu jab again, and AGAIN swiftly fell ill.  This time it was a sore throat.  Looked on Dr google, & it said if there are white spots, it's bacterial, and needs antibiotics.  No white spots, it's viral and will pass on its own.  I waited & waited, but this throat was still raw nearly two weeks later.  Went to the doc, & he confirmed Dr google, saying no white spots, so viral.  I asked him how long I might have to wait to get better, & he said he'd never seen a viral sore throat last this long.  

 

Third flu jab a year later, & I was sick again, and again with astonishing swiftness.  Uvulitis this time.  My uvula was swollen, & every time I swallowed it got yanked.  I was miserable for a week this time, and vowed NEVERMORE to the flu jabs.  Interestingly, I've never had flu since those bad old days.  

 

My theory is the flu jabs, or possibly any vaccine might substantially "DISTRACT" your immune system from normal function and allow opportunistic infection (or worse) to run freely.  No scientific proof of this, but I'm the kind of guy who tends to believe his own eyes, ears, and experiences.  

[Hip]

My theory is the flu jabs, or possibly any vaccine might substantially "DISTRACT" your immune system from normal function and allow opportunistic infection (or worse) to run freely.  No scientific proof of this, but I'm the kind of guy who tends to believe his own eyes, ears, and experiences.  

 

That immune distraction theory sounds reasonable. There is a concept of the Th1/Th2 balance in immunity: Th1 is the antiviral immune response (and also handles intracellular bacteria) whereas Th2 is the antibacterial immune response. 

 

When the immune system is fighting a viral infection, it will switch to Th1, but this change in the Th1/Th2 balance can result in a weakening of Th2, which may then allow bacterial infections existing in the body to flare up. Though I am not sure if that explains what you experienced with a vaccine. 

 

 

I think anyone who routinely experiences major adverse effects from vaccines should question whether they really want to get vaccinated. Although the vast majority can handle vaccines without much issue, there are some people who often get major adverse effects from a vaccination. For such vaccine-sensitive individuals, they have a different cost-benefit equation than the rest of the population.

[pamojja]

..they have a different cost-benefit equation than the rest of the population.

 

Your personal mental difficulties never justify smearing each one of them as:

 

 

...nincompoops, scumbags, or quacks

 

 

 

 

[Hip]

Your personal mental difficulties never justify smearing each one of them as:

 

It's not always a mental health issue: for some people, epithets like nincompoop are an accurate character description. Especially those who are philosophically anti-pharma and anti-conventional medicine, and quaintly believe that Mother Nature's herbal medicine is all we need to treat disease. Such people are accurately described as nincompoops, cretins, nitwits and imbeciles.

Edited by Hip, 13 March 2024 - 08:08 PM.

[Dorian Grey]

That immune distraction theory sounds reasonable. There is a concept of the Th1/Th2 balance in immunity: Th1 is the antiviral immune response (and also handles intracellular bacteria) whereas Th2 is the antibacterial immune response. 

 

When the immune system is fighting a viral infection, it will switch to Th1, but this change in the Th1/Th2 balance can result in a weakening of Th2, which may then allow bacterial infections existing in the body to flare up. Though I am not sure if that explains what you experienced with a vaccine. 

 

 

I think anyone who routinely experiences major adverse effects from vaccines should question whether they really want to get vaccinated. Although the vast majority can handle vaccines without much issue, there are some people who often get major adverse effects from a vaccination. For such vaccine-sensitive individuals, they have a different cost-benefit equation than the rest of the population.

 

Thanks for the kind words Hip, & I'm glad I was sitting down when I read them!  

 

I know it seems like we gang-up on you sometimes, but we who've had trouble with or concerns about vaccines, or feel outraged over the lack of consideration and outpatient care from Big Health during the first couple of yeas of the pandemic also got to feeling like the world is against us.  

 

I thank God daily I have no kids, as I don't like what I see in the world today.  Sometimes when I click on the longevity bookmark, I wonder if it will be there, what with the google MEDIC update obscuring all health forums into dust.  I see value in every one of us, and have learned much from you.  

 

Cheers Mate!  & thanks again for the non-adversarial thoughts.  

[william7]

Listen to what Kennedy says in this video. I like the part where he says it takes a certain “cognitive dissonance” to believe these pharmaceutical companies have a come to Jesus moment when it comes to vaccines when they’ve been caught so many times lying and cheating on other drugs and medical devices resulting in numerous deaths and injuries. 

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[william7]

Listen to what Kennedy says in this Bitchute video, at https://www.bitchute...o/B8Q3nFa29dCB/. I like the part where he says it takes a certain “cognitive dissonance” to believe these pharmaceutical companies have a come to Jesus moment when it comes to vaccines when they’ve been caught so many times lying and cheating on other drugs and medical devices resulting in numerous deaths and injuries. 

 

[Hip]

Listen to what Kennedy says in this Bitchute video, at https://www.bitchute...o/B8Q3nFa29dCB/. I like the part where he says it takes a certain “cognitive dissonance” to believe these pharmaceutical companies have a come to Jesus moment when it comes to vaccines when they’ve been caught so many times lying and cheating on other drugs and medical devices resulting in numerous deaths and injuries. 

 

Referring to pharma company lying is rich coming from Kennedy — a man who totally distorts the truth about pharma products.

 

Kennedy's opinions are completely polarised, biased and one sided. Kennedy never talks about the many millions lives saved each year as a result of pharma products, or the fact that people with otherwise fatal chronic diseases can now live full lives thanks to pharma products. Or the fact that pharma products greatly alleviate the horrible suffering from chronic pain or chronic mental health symptoms. 

 

No, he never mentions the positives; Kennedy only talks about the negatives of pharma products. 

 

Thus Kennedy gives a completely unbalanced and fallacious account of how the pharma industry affects our lives.

 

In short, Kennedy's views are brim filled with lies and distortion.