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[smithx]

We keep getting more data and it keeps showing that vaccines work.

 

For example:

https://jamanetwork....article/2794864

 

Association of Receiving a Fourth Dose of the BNT162b Vaccine With SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Health Care Workers in Israel

Key Points

Question  Was there a benefit of vaccinating health care workers with a fourth dose of BNT162b2 vaccine during the Omicron variant outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic?

Findings  In this multicenter cohort study of 29 611 health care workers in Israel, the breakthrough infection rate among those who received 4 doses was 6.9% compared with 19.8% in those who received 3 doses.

Meaning  These findings suggest that a fourth vaccine dose was effective in preventing breakthrough COVID-19 infections in health care workers, helping to maintain the function of the health care system during the pandemic.

 

Results  A total of 29 611 Israeli HCWs (19 381 [65%] female; mean [SD] age, 44 [12] years) had received 3 vaccine doses between August and September 2021; of these, 5331 (18%) received the fourth dose in January 2022 and were not infected by the first week after vaccination. Overall breakthrough infection rates were 368 of 5331 (7%) in the 4-dose group and 4802 of 24280 (20%) in the 3-dose group (relative risk, 0.35; 95% CI, 0.32-0.39). Similar reductions were found in a matched analysis by the exact day of receiving the third vaccine (relative risk, 0.61; 95% CI, 0.54-0.71) and in a time-dependent Cox proportional hazards regression model (adjusted hazard ratio, 0.56; 95% CI, 0.50-0.63). In both groups, no severe disease or death occurred.

Conclusions and Relevance  In this cohort study, the fourth BNT162b2 vaccine dose resulted in a reduced breakthrough infection rate among hospital staff. This reduction was lower than that observed after the third dose; nevertheless, considering the high infectivity of the Omicron variant, which led to critical medical staff shortages, a fourth vaccine dose should be considered to mitigate the infection rate among HCWs.

 

 

[Mind]

We keep getting more data and it keeps showing that vaccines work.

 

For example:

https://jamanetwork....article/2794864

 

"Vaccines work". True statement for previous vaccines against mainly non-respiratory diseases.

 

Get the polio vaccine. You don't get polio.

Get the smallpox vaccine. You don't get smallpox

Get the tetanus vaccine. You don't get tetanus

Get the rabies vaccine. You are safe from Rabies.

On and on.

 

Get 3 doses of the COVID injections....well....you had better get a fourth to have marginally better protection - as discovered in Israel.

[smithx]

More data:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30303

Since the spring of 2021, nearly 700 colleges and universities in the U.S. have mandated that their students become vaccinated against the COVID-19 virus. We leverage rich data on colleges’ vaccination policies and semester start dates, along with a variety of county-level public health outcomes, to provide the first estimates of the effects of these mandates on the communities surrounding four-year, residential colleges. In event study specifications, we find that, over the first 13 weeks of the fall 2021 semester, college vaccine mandates reduced new COVID-19 cases by 339 per 100,000 county residents and new deaths by 5.4 per 100,000 residents, with an estimated value of lives saved between $9.7 million and $27.4 million per 100,000 residents. These figures suggest that the mandates reduced total US COVID-19 deaths in autumn 2021 by approximately 5%.

 

 

[pamojja]

Students mandated vaccines compared to resitents of every agegroup? Comparing 4 against 3 injections? - Science or what is considered science has really detoriated!

 

No more placebo-controlled trials? Or at least randomized? - Just Statistics with which anything fancy can be made up. Pure junk.

[joesixpack]

We keep getting more data and it keeps showing that vaccines work.

 

For example:

https://jamanetwork....article/2794864

 

Are you kidding? A small per cent of people who got 4 vaccines, were better protected for a couple of months than those that got 3 vaccines?

 

To me that is a vaccine that has no real benefit, and is not worth thee risk of injury.

[Mind]

More data:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w30303

 

Were the study participants tested for previous infection? If not, the results are not relevant. We know that natural immunity is much stronger and longer lasting than whatever the injections provide (proven in multiple studies).

 

Considering that those who got the injections catch and spread COVID at a higher rate and remain contagious for longer than those with natural immunity (as proven in multiple studies and as Dr. Risch states eloquently here), it is doubtful that the injections have saved lives. They have probably made things worse.

 

Family of healthy 27-year-old who died after the injection considering a lawsuit.

 

Almost no one in the U.S. or Israel is getting their toddlers injected, despite the PR campaign by governments and health bureaucrats. I suspect that parents who got injected, and then got sick, and then spread it to everyone they know, and then got sick again, are probably shy about putting their kids through the same thing. In addition, with millions of people getting sick and dying from the injections, after a while, everyone knows someone who had a bad experience. Once you see it happen to family and friends, you are less likely to keep getting injections.

 

Dr. Fauci, always late to the game, now admits that women suffer menstrual problems, a year after women all over the world were reporting issues. These women were of course threatened, harassed, and belittled by the COVID rage mob assisted by Google, Facebook, Twitter, National Media, et al. The women were right. They knew something was getting messed-up after the injections.

[geo12the]

I interrupt the usual programming for a special bulletin: COVID is an unprecedented event in our time but is not behaving very differently from other respiratory viruses. One exception, one way that it is different, is that the SPIKE protein elicits toxic responses in some people that result in terrible symptoms. The response of COVID to vaccines is not unusual. Let's take the flu as an example. The disease we call "the Flu" is caused by influenza viruses. These circulate around the world and mutate with time to evade immune detection. The same as COVID. Every year influenza vaccine cocktails are made that target the new variants in circulation. The flu vaccine is not 100% effective. The same as the COVID vaccines, except that COVID vaccines are actually more effective than the flu vaccines. It is a fact that the flu vaccine may keep people from getting severe illness even if they come down with the flu. The same as COVID vaccines. COVID is here to stay and the best way to keep people safe is a yearly vaccination tailored to the latest circulating strains. Here is another fact: the COVID vaccines have saved countless lives. Despite all the anti-vax propaganda, the COVID vaccines have saved lives, kept people out of the hospital and prevent sickness and misery. Yes I know there are side effects. As I mentioned above the SPIKE protein elicits nasty responses in some people that can lead to cardiovascular damage  and other toxic effects. All of the toxic effects of vaccines in a small % of people, heart damage for example, also occur in people as a result of COVID. If I had to bet 1 million bucks, I would predict all the people who experience severe side effects from the vaccines would experience the same or worse effects from infection with COVID. COVID is here to stay but as I have said here before now our immune systems have been exposed, either by infection or vaccination or both. It wont be as nasty as at the beginning. But I will be the first in line for the new boosters tailored to the new variants in the fall. and I will continue to wear a mask at the supermarket or Target or wherever it makes sense because I HATE being sick even with a cold.  Don't like the vaccine? Then don't get it. Ok now back to the regularly scheduled reality-bending program of sky is falling anti-vax nonsense. 

Edited by geo12the, 05 August 2022 - 06:25 PM.

[Mind]

 

 

Don't like the vaccine? Then don't get it.

 

As highlighted multiple times. This is not an option in much of the world. Same with masking. Same with lockdowns. Health bureaucrats, assisted by the COVID hate/rage mob, harasses  and threatens everyone who takes any risk or goes their own way.

 

Fauci criticized for belittling women who suffer menstrual problems after the COVID injection. Fauci need to be removed from any advisory role in public health.

 

The CDC is late to the game and unbelievably claims they had no idea there was any possibility of heart problems from the COVID injections. CDC leaders need to be fired and investigated.

 

German health minister is quadruple injected and wears a mask obsessively. Still got COVID. Just like almost everyone else who got injected and wears a mask.

 

Most people have no clue the that COVID injections do not stop transmission, do not stop infection, and are not guaranteed to keep you out of the hospital or from dying, because the CDC and NIH have been (illegally?) working together to censor this information.

 

At least one top surgeon in Japan is calling for the COVID injections to stop, due to negative side-effects.

 

 

[smithx]

I feel that the level of discourse in this thread, and sadly on the forums in general has declined to "everything is a matter of opinion" rather than actually looking at what studies are really showing.

 

People seem to be deliberately misreading studies and just downvoting any study that disagrees with their preconceptions.

 

I thought that this was meant to be a science forum in which people judge the merits of ideas based on facts, not on opinions or politics, but that sadly no longer seems to be the case.

 

When I first joined LongeCity it felt like a place where you could get the latest and best information, and it would be discussed by people with real knowledge and objectivity. Now it feels more like a place where people come to rant about their preconceptions and look for evidence to bolster them.

 

It's a sad day when Reddit discussions have become more rigorous and scientific than a trailblazing site like this one.

 

[pamojja]

Now it feels more like a place where people come to rant about their preconceptions and look for evidence to bolster them.

Exactly on point for your 2 junk-science studies on this page to bolster your bias vaccines would work.

[geo12the]

I feel that the level of discourse in this thread, and sadly on the forums in general has declined to "everything is a matter of opinion" rather than actually looking at what studies are really showing.

 

People seem to be deliberately misreading studies and just downvoting any study that disagrees with their preconceptions.

 

I thought that this was meant to be a science forum in which people judge the merits of ideas based on facts, not on opinions or politics, but that sadly no longer seems to be the case.

 

When I first joined LongeCity it felt like a place where you could get the latest and best information, and it would be discussed by people with real knowledge and objectivity. Now it feels more like a place where people come to rant about their preconceptions and look for evidence to bolster them.

 

It's a sad day when Reddit discussions have become more rigorous and scientific than a trailblazing site like this one.

 

Yes we live in Alex Jones - Trump post-reality times. People want reality that matches what they want it to be and that creeps into everything including views on COVID and vaccines. People here, including moderators, just use it as a platform for their slanted views of reality and there is no reasoning with them.  

[geo12the]

I feel that the level of discourse in this thread, and sadly on the forums in general has declined to "everything is a matter of opinion" rather than actually looking at what studies are really showing.

 

People seem to be deliberately misreading studies and just downvoting any study that disagrees with their preconceptions.

 

I thought that this was meant to be a science forum in which people judge the merits of ideas based on facts, not on opinions or politics, but that sadly no longer seems to be the case.

 

When I first joined LongeCity it felt like a place where you could get the latest and best information, and it would be discussed by people with real knowledge and objectivity. Now it feels more like a place where people come to rant about their preconceptions and look for evidence to bolster them.

 

It's a sad day when Reddit discussions have become more rigorous and scientific than a trailblazing site like this one.

 

You have people here saying JAMA is BS and others posting links from Zerohedge like they are real science to be trusted. Is Zerohedge a medical journal? Are the writers at Zerohedge experts on virology and pandemics? From wikipedia "Zero Hedge (or ZeroHedge)^[b] is a far-right^[13] libertarian^[18] financial blog and news aggregator." "Over time, Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial political content,[c] including conspiracy theories and fringe rhetoric[3][28] advancing radical right,[15][29] alt-right,[30][31][32] and pro-Russia positions.[1][33][34][35]" 

So you have people essentially pointing to a right-wing fringe news source like it is gospel on COVID.  I think I will trust science and medical journals and not reality slanted through  bias news website that spouts conspiracies.

[Daniel Cooper]

Yes we live in Alex Jones - Trump post-reality times. People want reality that matches what they want it to be and that creeps into everything including views on COVID and vaccines. People here, including moderators, just use it as a platform for their slanted views of reality and there is no reasoning with them.

 
The covid pandemic was politicized from the get go. But let's not pretend that only one side has been guilty in this transgression.
 
In the beginning the authorities made statements that were obviously untrue - "15 days to bend the curve". Masks don't work, but then they do. "There is no evidence that this virus was man made". etc. etc.
 
And then we have the squelching of any viewpoints that diverted from the official narrative. Suggesting the the virus might have originated in a Wuhan lab, or that mask didn't really work, or questioning the safety of the vaccines was a very quick means to having your social media accounts shut down tout de suite.
 
Why do you think so many people turned to alternate media? When you create the impression that you're hiding something with obviously false statements and by silencing anyone even questioning the official narrative - of course people are going to turn to alternative sources of information. 
 
People like Dr. Fauci and the people running the social media networks created the demand for alternate information sources. 
 
You can't have it both ways. You can't insist that people stick to "the reputable sources" when at least some of the reputable sources (Fauci for instance) are saying things that obviously aren't true, when the corporate powers are shutting down dissenting voices, and even reputable sources like The Lancet were publishing papers where a cursory glance at the numbers in the paper revealed that they didn't come close to adding up. Remember this paper - Covid-19: Lancet retracts paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials? I don't even have an opinion on hydroxychloroquine and I could tell that the numbers didn't add up. That that paper passed peer review is an abomination and revealing of the fact that even prestigious medical journals like The Lancet had let their political views intrude into their job of being an unbiased source of scientific fact.

 

So if people are using sources that you look askance at - perhaps you might consider the extent to which the reputable sources contributed to that.

 

 

[geo12the]

 
The covid pandemic was politicized from the get go. But let's not pretend that only one side has been guilty in this transgression.
 
In the beginning the authorities made statements that were obviously untrue - "15 days to bend the curve". Masks don't work, but then they do. "There is no evidence that this virus was man made". etc. etc.
 
 

 

But did the authorities really make statements that were false OR did they not have all the answers and were confused? One is intentional misleading for some sinister purpose, the other is the fact that authorities like everyone else are NOT infallible and make mistakes. I believe the latter. Claims of censorship are overblown. I think misinformation of all types flooding social media is a bigger problem than censorship.

 

There is a presumption in your post that the agencies MUST have all the answers and be 100% right about a weird new disease the human race has never encountered. But how can they? I never expected they would. 

 

Do I think the authorities did a perfect job during the pandemic? Of course not! I am actually libertarian leaning and have tangentially worked with government science agencies and so I EXPECT the response will be less than stellar.But they did a better job than I expected.  Still there is stuff to legitimately criticize. I do agree that the lab origin hypothesis was too quickly dismissed at first. And I tend to be against mandates, though I have sympathy for businesses wanting a not sick workforce. But that aside, is the answer having COVID science predigested by slanted news sources like Zerohedge? And presented with much hysteria as the last word?   

Edited by geo12the, 09 August 2022 - 04:25 AM.

[Daniel Cooper]

But did the authorities really make statements that were false OR did they not have all the answers and were confused? One is intentional misleading for some sinister purpose, the other is the fact that authorities like everyone else are NOT infallible and make mistakes. I believe the latter. Claims of censorship are overblown. I think misinformation of all types flooding social media is a bigger problem than censorship.

 

Do I think the authorities did a perfect job during the pandemic? Of course not! I am actually libertarian leaning and have tangentially worked with government science agencies and so I EXPECT the response will be less than stellar.But they did a better job than I expected.  Still there is stuff to legitimately criticize. But is the answer having COVID science predigested by slanted news sources like Zerohedge? 

 

If you're telling the world "We just need 15 days to bend the curve" and you don't know now many days or even if you can bend the curve - yes that is a false statement. Your specificity (15 days!) implies you know what you're talking about. We now know from Dr. Deborah Brix's book they had no idea what they were talking about and were well aware that they didn't know what they were talking about. I'm just an engineer but I can do math and comprehend exponential growth - I knew damned well they were going to bend anything in 15 days. You're in the field - didn't you know that was bullshit when you heard it?

 

If you're telling the world "Masks don't work" because you think the masks would be better allocated to your associates in the medical field (a defensible position in and of itself) that is what we technically call a "lie". And lies for noble reasons are still lies and erode public confidence in their institutions.

 

When your advisors are telling you "this virus looks engineered" while they are contemporaneously publishing articles in Nature stating that "this virus almost certainly arose naturally and doesn't look at all engineered" that is technically what we call "a damned lie". We know this actually happened by the emails we later got to read from FOIA releases between Fauci and his associates.  

 

And every person that has ever sought to limit free speech did so in the name of suppressing "misinformation". Just because you believe "Honest to god, this time we limited free speech for only the purest of reasons" that doesn't make it right or wise.

 

So as I said, you can't have "reputable sources of information" making misstatements, misinformation, lies, and damned lies whilst the powers that be clamp down on free speech and then be simply aghast! that people start to distrust the government and the official sources. The latter follows from the former as surely as night follows day. 

Edited by Daniel Cooper, 09 August 2022 - 04:42 AM.

[geo12the]

If you're telling the world "We just need 15 days to bend the curve" and you don't know now many days or even if you can bend the curve - yes that is a false statement. Your specificity (15 days!) implies you know what you're talking about. We now know from Dr. Deborah Brix's book they had no idea what they were talking about and were well aware that they didn't know what they were talking about. I'm just an engineer but I can do math and comprehend exponential growth - I knew damned well they were going to bend anything in 15 days. You're in the field - didn't you know that was bullshit when you heard it?

 

If you're telling the world "Masks don't work" because you think the masks would be better allocated to your associates in the medical field (a defensible position in and of itself) that is what we technically call a "lie". And lies for noble reasons are still lies and erode public confidence in their institutions.

 

When your advisors are telling you "this virus looks engineered" while they are contemporaneously publishing articles in Nature stating that "this virus almost certainly arose naturally and doesn't look at all engineered" that is technically what we call "a damned lie". We know this actually happened by the emails we later got to read from FOIA releases between Fauci and his associates.  

 

And every person that has ever sought to limit free speech did so in the name of suppressing "misinformation". Just because you believe "Honest to god, this time we limited free speech for only the purest of reasons" that doesn't make it right or wise.

 

So as I said, you can't have "reputable sources of information" making misstatements, misinformation, lies, and damned lies whilst the powers that be clamp down on free speech and then be simply aghast! that people start to distrust the government and the official sources. The latter follows from the former as surely as night follows day. 

 

"15 days to bend the curve"  That was Trump's policy. He was panicking at the time the pandemic would hurt his presidency and trying to minimize it. I never believe anything he says and never took it seriously. 

 

""Masks don't work  because you think the masks would be better allocated to your associates in the medical field"" - People still argue about the merits of masks. That they wanted to save them for health workers at first was not good.

 

this virus looks engineered" I've already given my opinion on this

 

So as I said, you can't have "reputable sources of information" making misstatements, misinformation, lies, and damned lies whilst the powers that be clamp down on free speech  On the first point "reputable sources of information  making misstatements" I think the pandemic was a weird event and on the whole they did their best. To expect they will have all the answers and be 100% right about a weird new disease is unrealistic and not a reason to run to places like "Zerohedge". I am a huge advocate for free speech which is under threat from all political sides today.  But free speech is a two way street- Questioning what the conspiracy people say is also free speech. 

[Mind]

 

 

"15 days to bend the curve"  That was Trump's policy. He was panicking at the time the pandemic would hurt his presidency and trying to minimize it. I never believe anything he says and never took it seriously. 

 

Not really. That was Dr. Birx's policy. In her book, she admits to manipulating reports to mislead the public on the effectiveness of lockdowns. She lied. She should be fired.

 

As far as Zerohedge goes, they are mainly a news aggregator. They link to medical studies, reports, market tickers, mainstream news outlets, etc... They are not a "news" organization. They are not a medical institute. Alternative sites must be used in the present day because national media outlets censor studies that don't support the health bureaucracy's narrative. I wouldn't know how much of a failure the lockdowns, masks, and injections were, if it were not for alternative information outlets.

 

Perfect example: Thailand study shows significant increase in heart inflammation among young men who received the COVID injections. Not a peep about this from national news outlets. So many people are in the dark - still believing the injections are 100% safe and effective. That is not the truth - proven by a lot of data and studies posted previously (smithX). You might not like the studies, but they are legit studies.

 

You can argue that myocarditis is nothing to worry about - fine - but (smithX) stop saying it is not legit medical research.

[Mind]

There are a lot of case reports about blood clotting/embolism type disorders with the COVID injections. One such case in more detail. A lot of these adverse events were listed in the Pfizer trial documents. Even though there were tens of thousands of reports of adverse advents in the trial, it was all swept "under the rug" with Pfizer saying hardly any of them were related to the injections. Our health bureaucrats believed Pfizer of course.

 

Steve Kirsch claims there are hundreds of thousands of injuries and deaths related to the COVID injections. He also surveyed his followers online and found many multiples more injected people have suffered ill effects and deaths from the injections. Obviously, not a controlled study, but it is similar to what I have seen. A significant number of people I know (probably under 10%) have suffered adverse events from the injections. Interesting to note that Steve Kirsch is a very wealthy democrat, but is now livid at the democrat party over the injection debacle.

[smithx]

Steve Kirsch claims there are hundreds of thousands of injuries and deaths related to the COVID injections. He also surveyed his followers online and found many multiples more injected people have suffered ill effects and deaths from the injections. Obviously, not a controlled study, but it is similar to what I have seen. A significant number of people I know (probably under 10%) have suffered adverse events from the injections. Interesting to note that Steve Kirsch is a very wealthy democrat, but is now livid at the democrat party over the injection debacle.

 

 

Are we seriously quoting "Fox News Guest Says" and linking to videos as evidence here?

 

[bladedmind]

Are we seriously dissing the available writings of a genius tech titan with net worth of $230 million? 

 

Hint:  I just made a fallacious argument ad hominem.

 

Kirsch is overly aggressive in advancing his views against others, and worse overly aggressive in convincing himself of his conclusions.   I don't like his style   Nevertheless, he is raising legitimate questions that need to be answered by either argumentative scrutiny or tentative acceptance into the pool of evidence.   My amateur estimate at the moment is that the official line on safety and efficacy is exaggerated in the opposite direction. 

 

His polling of his own audience is almost worthless.   At best slightly suggestive.   However, he reports similar findings from third-party polling of quick-and-dirty audiences available from Pollfish and Peoplefish.  https://stevekirsch....w-twice-as-many

 

 

Edited by bladedmind, 14 August 2022 - 09:01 PM.

[Gal220]

Are we seriously quoting "Fox News Guest Says" and linking to videos as evidence here?

 

Kirsch founded the Covid-19 Early Treatment Fund and pushed the vaccine hard early on(He and his daughters are vaccinated.)

 

As data started to roll in, he and many others flipped on the vaccine.  I doubt there are too many people more informed about the data than him

 

He, Malone, and Brett Weinstein did a viral video that discussed the adverse events, retro viruses, and the new data released out of Japan at the time about LNP buildup in the ovaries

 

Weinstein video

https://rumble.com/v...eve-kirsch.html

 

vaccine resources

https://www.skirsch....cine-resources/

 

Covid resources(early push for fluvoxamine)

https://www.skirsch....to-treat-covid/

[joesixpack]

Kirsch founded the Covid-19 Early Treatment Fund and pushed the vaccine hard early on(He and his daughters are vaccinated.)

 

As data started to roll in, he and many others flipped on the vaccine.  I doubt there are too many people more informed about the data than him

 

He, Malone, and Brett Weinstein did a viral video that discussed the adverse events, retro viruses, and the new data released out of Japan at the time about LNP buildup in the ovaries

 

Weinstein video

https://rumble.com/v...eve-kirsch.html

 

vaccine resources

https://www.skirsch....cine-resources/

 

Covid resources(early push for fluvoxamine)

https://www.skirsch....to-treat-covid/

Thanks for this information.

[Mind]

A study out of Iceland once again adds to the evidence that people who took the injections are getting re-infected at a higher rate. (other studies show they are more contagious and for longer periods of time than un-injected people)

 

It is unbelievable that there was a time last year when "health bureaucrats" denied there was any such thing as natural immunity. Anyone who claimed that people developed natural immunity to SARS-CoV2 was labeled as a conspiracy theorist, science-denier, idiot, dangerous spreader of misinformation, etc...

 

Add Jill Biden and Albert Bourla to the list of injected people who got ill with COVID - even though they are injected and boosted multiple times.

 

For the last few months, thousands of people are dying of COVID each day, most are injected.

 

Does anyone wonder why a failed therapeutic which hasn't stopped the spread of SARS-CoV2 at all, causes people to be re-infected at a higher rate, causes them to be contagious for longer periods of time and has a long list of detrimental side effects, continues to be pushed as the be-all end-all only option? Shouldn't we be aiming for a real vaccine that can substantially eradicate the disease? It looks like another big pharma product that doesn't work that well but makes a ton of money because people have to be boosted over and over and over.

 

Sadly, COVID injection status was - and still is - being used to discriminate against people even though court documents show that officials couldn't find a rational reason for the discrimination. Canadian officials discriminated anyway.

[Mind]

Just a few recent COVID injection news headlines

 

Anybody confirm this? 14 Canadian doctors die shortly after COVID injections.

 

More case studies about COVID injection injury and death arrive everyday, but are generally ignored. (this one with AstraZeneca). Blood clots, strokes, and heart problems seem to dominate the small percentage of people who suffer from the injections.

 

The "vaccine trials" were not designed properly to get robust results.

 

The large increase in excess mortality across many countries of the world 2021 is temporally correlated with the rollout of the COVID injections.

 

Health bureaucrats in the U.S. continue to push for COVID injections in toddlers even though there is no clear benefit.

 

The NIH and CDC were never fully transparent with the data about testing, infections, injection injuries, etc...

[Mind]

Also, as I expected, a shift is occurring. Mainstream media in the US is now starting to blame Trump for the "unproven" vaccine and other COVID treatments. Once the utter failure of the COVID pandemic policies and injections becomes more widespread, I expect the "blame Trump" gas-lighting campaign to reach a fever pitch, perhaps within months.

[joesixpack]

As far as blaming the vaccine injuries on Trump, let us review the facts.

 

The vaccine was developed and vetted on Trumps watch. And Fauci, the CDC (Wallenski) and the FDA were giddy with the Success. They advised putting it into production, and giving it to hundreds of millions of people without any serious trials. Trump agreed, and left office before the vaccines began.

 

The people that took over, claimed the vaccine "success" for themselves, and suppressed all criticism and reports of injuries from the vaccine, and suppressed all reports of success with therapeutics. Social media did the same.

 

We don't know what Trump would have done with this information, because he was gone. We do know what Biden, Fauci, and the the press did with it. Suppressed.

 

And we know that Trump honestly reported on successes with Ivermectin and Hydroxychloriquine, which were banned by Biden, Fauci etc.. So I say Trump gets the benefit of the doubt.

[Mind]

One of Trump's main efforts was to reduce government regulation, which is a good thing overall. Remember, he brought the "right to try" legislation into law. Anyone should be able to try any medication, no matter what the government says - it shouldn't matter if you have a deadly disease. This was widely supported in the life extension community.

 

This lower regulatory environment is what helped Trump's team get a "vaccine" developed quickly. His advisors (Fauci, Birx, Collins, etc) convinced him that a vaccine would be great. Trump also pushed for alternative treatments, which created a vile reaction from his political opponents, tech companies, and health bureaucrats. So the "vaccine" was all that was left.

 

Once the "vaccine" arrived, it was not Trump that pushed it, it was his political enemies. There is no doubt what political party in the U.S. slammed the unvaccinated as "grandma killers", idiots", and "anti-science cretins". They were the ones who tried to make laws to force everyone to get the "vaccine" even though there were reports of adverse events and deaths very early on. Come hell or high water, everyone was going to be FORCED to get injected. They are still pushing for it today, even though more and more data arrives about the vast negative side effects.

 

Some might remember Edward Dowd sharing information about how all cause mortality was skyrocketing among working age adults shortly after the injections were rolled out. Now the SOA confirms what Dowd found out early on, and it is even worse. The mortality rate among 35-44 year-olds spiked 100% shortly after the mass injections.

 

Playing devil's advocate, one might argue that the deaths are due to "long COVID" or stem from the horrific pandemic restrictions that destroyed people's emotional and mental well-being, however, the excess mortality has been seen in several countries and it correlates closely with the rollout of the injections.

 

Can anyone explain this?

 

A new booster is coming out targeting the Omicron variant, but you will not be allowed to get it unless you have already taken the earlier injections. Does this make any sense? A cynic would say "how else are Pfizer and Moderna supposed to make billions more in profits?".

 

Moderna is asking for authorization under the EUA provisions (for the Omicron injection) so that they don't have to do regular human trials. Is there still an "emergency"? Not where I live. Life is as normal as it could be for many months now.

 

Anyone wonder why no one is getting the FDA approved Comirnaty injection? Kind-of weird. It is approved, yet no one in the U.S. is getting it.

[Mind]

The shift in the narrative is happening fast. Even Politico is now highlighting the congressional report about how Trump "pressured the FDA to approve treatments and the vaccine".

 

How soon before the national media in the U.S. start calling it "Trump's death shot"?

[shifter]

"Vaccines work". True statement for previous vaccines against mainly non-respiratory diseases.

 

Get the polio vaccine. You don't get polio.

Get the smallpox vaccine. You don't get smallpox

Get the tetanus vaccine. You don't get tetanus

Get the rabies vaccine. You are safe from Rabies.

On and on.

 

Get 3 doses of the COVID injections....well....you had better get a fourth to have marginally better protection - as discovered in Israel.

 

Incorrect

 

If we were taking PCR tests of everyone during the polio or smallpox outbreak, despite people being vaccinated, you would have found a lot of polio and smallpox. The transmission method of polio was also much easier to control (ingestion of fecal material) or smallpox which was visually easy to spot when you were infectious so could isolate. If you stepped on a rusty nail even vaccinated for tetanus, if that nail had tetanus on it it clearly entered your body. So how do you justify that you dont get infected with tetanus? Of course you do. Vaccinations help prevent that infection from progressing to disease. (and I'm sure you know the protocol is to get a booster after the event despite how long ago your previous booster was).

 

Rabies vaccine can also be given after an infection I wonder if anti vaxxers will opt for their 'natural immunity' to fight the virus if they have been told they got infected or opt for the vaccine??

 

Covid is largely invisible and spread through the act of simply breathing and talking. So when your virus has an R0 value of ~15 and a population so vain it refuses to put on a mask (which will reduce the R0 value a little) or social distance when they are infected then you are going to see infections continue. Those that are vaccinated and have good immune systems (not compromised or suppressed) have a very good chance of it not progressing to full blown COVID (the D meaning disease)

 

Vaccines DO NOT PREVENT Infection, but they do a good job in preventing serious disease and death. All the data available from the 12+ billion doses shows that if you are not vaccinated, your likelihood of ending up in hospital or dying is much greater

 

 

Also keep in mind COVID testing was always a stupid thing to call them. They were actually tests for Sars Cov-2. Returning a positive result only indicated the presence of the virus. NOT that you had the disease. A nasal or saliva swab cant determine that although in the absence of vaccination or prior infection it's a good bet you will go on to develop the disease...

 

 

 

People often make up stories about the 'spike' protein and how 'natural immunity' is 'safer' or 'superior'

 

You can get a degree of immunity 2 ways. Through a vaccine, or through infection. For all the BS stories around the spike, consider this:

 

Vaccines get your body to produce a spike which the immune system then takes care of and destroys

Infection results in a live virus multiplying and destroying your cells by the millions - each virus containing around 2 dozen different 'spikes'

 

If you were vaccinated, your immune system is switched on much earlier and takes out the virus in its infancy. Natural infection has it running unchecked for a time and then your body has to deal with how to destroy it while it is being destroyed. Not the most ideal circumstance to be in

 

Covid is something considered something of an eventuality if you participate in society. You will get it eventually. It's not like some other disease where your chance of contracting it is slim. (eg no point of me in Australia seeking a rabies vaccine unless I am going to be working with bats or overseas quarantined animals). Covid is something we have accepted is going to be around and caught by everyone eventually. Thankfully I have avoided it thus far. My wife did get it and was fine but I had slept in the same room for 2 nights after she got infected, I and my kids (who shared a car on the school drop off) avoided getting sick. Was it our vaccinations? Who can say for sure but it certainly didn't hinder our immune systems antivaxxers say it does

 

 

 

Keep this in mind when you are interested in a long lasting, healthy life:

 

Covid can leave lasting scarring on organs like your lungs, heart and brain. Internal scarring leads to reduced function, weakness and likelihood of cancer. So I bet going forward we can expect to see increased lung cancers, heart failures and strokes from the damage and infections done before vaccinations to it existed. Damage far less likely to occur if you were vaccinated and your immune system realizes its game time and has a way to beat it the moment you get infected.

 

I have to say I am surprised a site like this which is very science and research minded takes a huge steaming dump on all the data the science has provided on vaccinations. Look at any peer reviewed article or systematic review and find me one which proves any antivaxxer claims. The idea there is a global conspiracy of scientists the world over to fake the data so people take 'dangerous vaccines' (including the researchers) is as ludicrous as the flat earth conspiracy. Seriously. Do they think big pharma want to cripple or kill 95% (usual vaccine target) of the developed world leaving only the poor and developing world who didn't get the vaccines in a timely manner the only functional people left?

 

Myocarditis which has been presented as a boogeyman of the mRNA vaccine has always been mild and self resolving in vaccinated cases - and if you got it through the vaccine, you were a likely candidate of getting it through the viral route which has NOT always been mild and self resolving. Myocarditis is also nothing new. Most of us have probably gotten a degree of it at some stage through a bacterial/viral infection in our lives. It's just we have been looking acutely for it in the billions of people injected. Basically if you got a mild case of myocarditis from the vaccine, you should be thankful that you didn't end up getting it when your body was seriously infected in the fight of its life

 

Anyway, you all do you. Get vaccinated or dont, but for your own sake at least make your decisions based on facts and peer reviewed data. While it is popular these days to be a contrarian and it sure does get the views and clicks on social media, it is a serious disservice to your fellow neighbour when your promote and amplify ignorance and BS.

Edited by shifter, 29 August 2022 - 10:35 AM.

[shifter]

This lower regulatory environment is what helped Trump's team get a "vaccine" developed quickly. His advisors (Fauci, Birx, Collins, etc) convinced him that a vaccine would be great. Trump also pushed for alternative treatments, which created a vile reaction from his political opponents, tech companies, and health bureaucrats. So the "vaccine" was all that was left.

 

You mean like promoting things like Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin which were touted as preventatives or treatments in the absence of any solid evidence (anecdotes dont count). Both of those were studied extensively and found to not be any benefit at treating or preventing covid.

 

The 'vile reaction' probably came from Trump rattling off what he probably thought were lightbulb moments such as injecting a kind of disinfectant or some 'light' into your body to destroy the virus.

https://time.com/583...isonings-trump/

 

Vile reaction is deserved - even if one person lost their life - and we know one did as they made some home made concoction involving aquarium cleaner to make their own chloroquine

 

 

When you say 'so the vaccine was all that was left' is another lie because there has been since the onset, researchers searching for and developing numerous ways to treat the infection/disease and there are numerous to date which have been developed which I'm sure you are aware of

 

Things like paxlovid, molnupiravir, monoclonal antibodies to name a few. Science and research goes on what data suggests works and we have confidence in the system of randomised, double blind, placebo controlled trials. We have confidence in peer review and systematic reviews. When Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin were being promoted as effective treatments and cures, such trials had not existed. Trials and reviews now exist and show these treatments have no benefit - but while they were being promoted, it was reducing the availability of the medicine for the people (or animals!) that actually needed them. Nobody was ever saying - 'lets only push a vaccine'. A vaccine is a tool - not a panacea and research in combating covid has never treated a vaccine as the only thing worth investigating.

 

Government policy and spokespeople on the other hand, well no question they suck at PR

Edited by shifter, 29 August 2022 - 11:30 AM.