109 replies to this topic

[Gal220]

Gal220, please check the studies you post to see whether they mean in vitro antiviral effects, or in vivo.

In vitro means nothing until proven otherwise.

 

Oops, forgot Simon didn't say,  err Fauci didnt say.  Maybe others will find the paper interesting even if you do not.

 

Some of us already believe it works as many doctors who still honor their oath have shown with thousands of patients. And media outlets recognized it, just not the treatment...

Edited by Gal220, 20 October 2021 - 08:36 PM.

[Hip]

Oops, forgot Simon didn't say,  err Fauci didnt say.  Maybe others will find the paper interesting even if you do not.

 

Maybe you might like to provide your own analysis here, rather than relying on the analysis of others.

 

If you teach yourself a bit about pharmacokinetics, as I did myself, then you will be able to work out for yourself whether an antiviral drug will work in vivo.

 

It is good to be able to work things out yourself, otherwise you will be forever at risk to being led up the garden path by conspiracy theories and quacks. 

 

If a quack tells you that ivermectin is antiviral in vivo, but your very own mathematics proves otherwise, then you will realize they are quacks. 

 

 

I would say learning some pharmacokinetic science is a very good idea for all the people on this forum who are mistrusting of the COVID scientific experts. If you don't trust them, then do the mathematics yourself. 

 

Is there any reason that you don't? The mathematics is quite simple and straightforward, so nothing to be scared of.

 

 

Edited by Hip, 20 October 2021 - 08:55 PM.

[Gal220]

Some people will find this thread very informative by Dr. Fareed

https://twitter.com/...889705256407042

 

"With this aggressive delta variant, the anti-COVID-19 Monoclonals are critical along with HCQ/IVM/Doxy/Zn for minimum of 5-7 days are critical."

 

"The oral C19 protocol was fully effective against the primary variant last year, but more aggressive treatment needed now— without monoclonals, I recommend extension  beyond 5 days on HCQ twice a day, Fluvoxamine and colchicine."

 

[geo12the]

Oops, forgot Simon didn't say,  err Fauci didnt say.  Maybe others will find the paper interesting even if you do not.

 

Some of us already believe it works as many doctors who still honor their oath have shown with thousands of patients. And media outlets recognized it, just not the treatment...

 

I find it amusing and ironic that you seem to be  implying that people here follow Fauci like "Simon says"  while you yourself are  a follower of McCullough and Dr. Fareed etc. Why not we not follow ANYONE? 

[Gal220]

I find it amusing and ironic that you seem to be  implying that people here follow Fauci like "Simon says"  while you yourself are  a follower of McCullough and Dr. Fareed etc. Why not we not follow ANYONE? 

Well Varon, Fareed, McCullough, Urso, and Kory are fighting the VIrus day in an day out. 

 

As you see from the video on Varon and the Fareed thread, they are honest about what worked in the past, and how they have had to adapt for Delta.

 

But sure, if you want listen to the people who pretend their is no treatment and sold their soul to the vax, go right ahead.

[geo12the]

Well Varon, Fareed, McCullough, Urso, and Kory are fighting the VIrus day in an day out. 

 

As you see from the video on Varon and the Fareed thread, they are honest about what worked in the past, and how they have had to adapt for Delta.

 

But sure, if you want listen to the people who pretend their is no treatment and sold their soul to the vax, go right ahead.

 

I listen to the science. I follow the science. I don't follow quacks who want their 15 seconds of fame and charlatan MDs. You follow people who reinforce your views. "McCullough says", "Fareed says" etc. You think you are independent. You are a follower. 

[Gal220]

I listen to the science. I follow the science. I don't follow quacks who want their 15 seconds of fame and charlatan MDs. You follow people who reinforce your views. "McCullough says", "Fareed says" etc. You think you are independent. You are a follower. 

$cience = no early treatment eh?

[geo12the]

$cience = no early treatment eh?

 

Monoclonals are used as an early treatment. No conspiracy to keep people from getting them. The only reason you think momonclonals are good is one of your Simon Says docs said so.  Best treatment is PREVENTION. Get vaccinated. If I were infected I would try to get Monoclonals. Thanks to science. 

Edited by geo12the, 21 October 2021 - 05:02 AM.

[Gal220]

Monoclonals are used as an early treatment. No conspiracy to keep people from getting them. The only reason you think momonclonals are good is one of your Simon Says docs said so.  Best treatment is PREVENTION. Get vaccinated. If I were infected I would try to get Monoclonals. Thanks to science. 

 

Man, too bad we dont have anything that is virucidal like iodine/h202, helps inflammation, or works on blood blots... Its almost like medical science is a misnomer to some, like we went backwards in 2021.

 

McCullough/FLCCC are willing to push new data when it appears(like oral/nasal hygiene), where is your $cience team on this?  Counting their vax dollar$ instead of trying to prevent spread 

 

 

 

Edited by Gal220, 21 October 2021 - 06:13 AM.

[Hip]

The UK government has just secured 1.7 million courses of the antiviral drug molnupiravir, which has been shown to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death by COVID by a factor of 2.  

 

A placebo controlled trial in involving 762 non-hospitalized adult patients with COVID found only 7.3% of patients on molnupiravir were hospitalized or died, compared with 14.1% of placebo-treated patients.

 

No deaths were reported in the 385 patients who received molnupiravir, as compared to 8 deaths in the 377 patients who received placebo. 

 

 

 

Of course, this will be of no interest to the herb-loving natural treatment hippies of Longecity!

Edited by Hip, 21 October 2021 - 12:44 PM.

[geo12the]

Man, too bad we dont have anything that is virucidal like iodine/h202, helps inflammation, or works on blood blots... Its almost like medical science is a misnomer to some, like we went backwards in 2021.

 

McCullough/FLCCC are willing to push new data when it appears(like oral/nasal hygiene), where is your $cience team on this?  Counting their vax dollar$ instead of trying to prevent spread 

 

We (those of us in the US) live in a capitalist society. To survive companies actually need to make money. That includes pharmaceutical and biotech companies.

 

As Hip pointed out there is a new drug on the horizon. You can read about it here: 

 

https://www.nature.c...586-021-02783-1

 

I encourage you to actually read about it and not wait for the opinion of one of your gurus. 

 

I don't mean to pick on you. I know we all are trying to find our way in this world. I am only trying to point out inconsistencies in your approach. I was surprised to see you mention that you think monoclonals are good. Then I realized that it's because now one of your gurus approves of them: "Some people will find this thread very informative by Dr. Fareed". Can you not see how much of a follower you are?  I just try and encourage folks to be independent thinkers. 

[lancebr]

We (those of us in the US) live in a capitalist society. To survive companies actually need to make money. That includes pharmaceutical and biotech companies.

 

As Hip pointed out there is a new drug on the horizon. You can read about it here: 

 

https://www.nature.c...586-021-02783-1

 

I encourage you to actually read about it and not wait for the opinion of one of your gurus. 

 

I don't mean to pick on you. I know we all are trying to find our way in this world. I am only trying to point out inconsistencies in your approach. I was surprised to see you mention that you think monoclonals are good. Then I realized that it's because now one of your gurus approves of them: "Some people will find this thread very informative by Dr. Fareed". Can you not see how much of a follower you are?  I just try and encourage folks to be independent thinkers. 

 

Interesting article. 

 

I noticed it mentioned that there was another study of molnupiravir that found that they saw no "significant efficacy" in the drug.

 

 

This article says that at the moment might should be cautious about expectations of the drug until it holds up to scientific scrutiny:

 

https://nationalpost...-up-to-the-hype

 

"The claim, if it holds up to scientific scrutiny, would be impressive, and mark the first early treatment for COVID that doesn’t have

to be infused or injected into bodies, doctors said. But over the last year and a half, other drugs such as hydroxychloroquine and

the anti-gout pill colchicine have failed to live up to early hype. “When the data come out, they’re underwhelming. We have to be

a little careful,” said infectious diseases specialist and medical microbiologist Dr. Donald Vinh, of Montreal’s McGill University Health

Centre. And while a 50 per cent drop in the risk of hospitalizations and death sounds highly encouraging, he said, it’s not as impressive

as vaccines, “which are at least 85 per cent effective at preventing those same outcomes.”

 

[Hip]

Strange how no one ever seems to mention how the VAERs AND Eudra Vigilance DB confirm a large amount of injury, more than all other Vaccines combined for 20+ years.

 

 

It is perhaps concerning, but also hard to interpret in this current climate where the organized anti-vax groups are putting the fear of God into everyone regarding the COVID vaccinations.

 

In the US, there are about 8000 deaths per day all the time. Anyone who gets the vaccine and then dies naturally within a few days or weeks is probably going to have their family report that to VAERS (since anyone can make a report).

 

If for the sake of argument everyone in the US received a COVID jab all on the same day, the next day you would naturally find 8000 had died, but it was nothing to do with the vaccine. And the day after that, another 8000 would die. And so forth.

 

 

I think if everyone who died following a COVID jab died with the same cause or medical event, then that would point to the vaccine as being responsible. But to my knowledge, there is no single cause, many different causes of death. Well, that makes it unlikely to be due to the vaccine, and more likely due to the natural daily death toll that is seen every day.

Edited by Hip, 22 October 2021 - 03:41 AM.

[Gal220]

I think if everyone who died following a COVID jab died with the same cause or medical event, then that would point to the vaccine as being responsible. But to my knowledge, there is no single cause, many different causes of death. Well, that makes it unlikely to be due to the vaccine, and more likely due to the natural daily death toll that is seen every day.

Steve Kirsch(formerly pro covid vax) and Jessica Rose have done the most research on this.  - https://www.skirsch....cine-resources/

 

But then there is the obvious, why the huge spike this year, more than 20+ years of the other vaccines?

[geo12the]

Steve Kirsch(formerly pro covid vax) and Jessica Rose have done the most research on this.  - https://www.skirsch....cine-resources/

 

But then there is the obvious, why the huge spike this year, more than 20+ years of the other vaccines?

 

The vaccines are safe, you are spewing nonsense as usual. In past posts I have explained in detail why that is nonsense. You can't point to the data in Vaers and make the claim that there are more deaths than 20 years of other vaccines. It's not valid. As I said before and what should be an easy concept to grasp, before COVID no one new about VAERS. As has been stated by Hip, every day people die. Say 5 years ago someone got the vaccine for flu or shingles or whatever.  Next week they have a stroke or hear attack or something else and die. That death was not likely to be reported in Vaers. Did you know about Vaers before the pandemic? I didn't. Hardly anyone did. Anti vax  people are using it as a tool to make their case but it doesn't hold water. Again you are a sheep following your misinformed gurus. Kirrsch says vaccines bad. "Vaccines bad"

 

For more info on Vaers read here:

 

https://www.reuters....s-idUSL1N2R00KP

[geo12the]

Judging by his Twitter account, Dr Syed Haider looks rather dubious. Why are all the people who promote ivermectin so anti-establishment, so anti-vaccine, and subscribers to conspiracy theories? That's what I get from reading his Twitter feed. In one tweet he suggests the vaccines are ineffectual, which is misinformation.

 

If you are anti-vaccine, you are a promoter of falsities; so all statements from anti-vaxxers will be unreliable. Haider's comments on the efficacy of ivermectin we can therefore assume are dubious, and take with a large pinch of salt.

 

Dr Syed Haider makes money out of prescribing ivermectin. He has a website selling ivermectin right across America. Thus he has a conflict of interest, and we cannot trust his statements.

 

The sad thing is that you have people who don't believe the real science, the huge clinical trials that show the vaccines are safe, the trials that show HCQ probably does not work, BUT they follow these people like sheep and believe everything they say. I just can't comprehend the mindset of people who just want to follow this weird nonsense. 

[DanCG]

There is a guaranteed way to stop COVID. Vaccines. ...

 

I can't fathom the alternate reality some folks here are living in. 

Indeed! As cases surge in highly vaccinated Israel, Great Britain, and parts of Europe, and while the pandemic is apparently really over in some places with low vaccination rates, like Uttar Pradesh, you declare that the vaccines have conquered Covid!

[geo12the]

Indeed! As cases surge in highly vaccinated Israel, Great Britain, and parts of Europe, and while the pandemic is apparently really over in some places with low vaccination rates, like Uttar Pradesh, you declare that the vaccines have conquered Covid!

 

If you look at a map of the US, cases are highest in states with lowest vaccination rates. I can dig it up and post it if you like. Israel did have a surge in August and September but cases are way way down if you look at the latest numbers. In a place where vaccination rates are high, virus and disease will still spread among the unvaxed.  Population densities and travel patterns also influence spread of the virus, its a more complicated matrix of factors that are in play. But for all intensive purposes COVID is on it's way out. Thanks to the highly effective and safe vaccines.  

[joesixpack]

When the meta-analyses of ivermectin clinical trials are re-done to remove the fraudulent third world papers, it is expected that the results will show ivermectin does not have any benefit for COVID. 

 

That is some speculative hyperbole regarding "fraudulent third world papers". It is also a deflection. I was not talking about "papers", I was referring to facts. India and Japan, tamed their crises by using Ivermectin. That is a fact.

 

How about this "paper" from the CDC which states that vaccinated people have a lower death rate from all non covid causes, than non vaccinated people?

 

Does this mean the vaccination is the fountain of youth? Is this the solution to longevity, this site is dedicated to?

 

They soften the conclusion by stating it shows there is no increased mortality in the vaccinated groups, but they also make it clear that vaccinated people have a lower death rate from all non covid causes. Why would they even conduct such a study, if not to convince people to take a vaccine? Questionable paper?

 

You can find the study here: https://www.cdc.gov/...wr/mm7043e2.htm

 

 

Excerpt below, Less than 50%, Fair Use

 

 

COVID-19 Vaccination and Non–COVID-19 Mortality Risk — Seven Integrated Health Care Organizations, United States, December 14, 2020–July 31, 2021

 

 

Summary

What is already known about this topic?

Although deaths after COVID-19 vaccination have been reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System, few studies have been conducted to evaluate mortality not associated with COVID-19 among vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.

What is added by this report?

During December 2020–July 2021, COVID-19 vaccine recipients had lower rates of non–COVID-19 mortality than did unvaccinated persons after adjusting for age, sex, race and ethnicity, and study site.

What are the implications for public health practice?

There is no increased risk for mortality among COVID-19 vaccine recipients. This finding reinforces the safety profile of currently approved COVID-19 vaccines in the United States. All persons aged ≥12 years should receive a COVID-19 vaccine.

[joesixpack]

You two shills, or trolls have taken over this thread.

 

I do not believe in feeding the trolls, or giving shills anything to respond to, so Good Bye. Have fun talking to yourselves. And please stay here, and not infect any other discussions.

 

Let me know how well it pays.

[geo12the]

You two shills, or trolls have taken over this thread.

 

I do not believe in feeding the trolls, or giving shills anything to respond to, so Good Bye. Have fun talking to yourselves. And please stay here, and not infect any other discussions.

 

Let me know how well it pays.

 

 It's not a contest. But these days it's more important for people to believe they are right, or righteous or virtuous or whatever, than actually be connected to reality and facts. I don't follow gurus, I am critical of everything I read, I am a scientist and follow the science,  I  just try and call things as  I see them. 

[Hip]

Have you noticed that even since the pandemic began, all the smart scientific people have been slowly leaving Longecity, with only the clueless and unscientific types remaining to chat among themselves. Originally in these threads about the pandemic and the efficacy of COVID treatments, there were a lot of scientific types here providing their valuable input, and correcting the misunderstandings of the unscientific.

 

But these scientifically literate members I think were put off by the deluge of misinformation posted by the unscientific types, and those who follow conspiracy theory websites. So the quality of debate goes down, and Longecity moves more in the direction of a pseudoscience forum.

 

[Dorian Grey]

The India story is being distorted. Read more here: 

 

https://healthfeedba...-uttar-pradesh/

 

Monoclonals??? The US is using monoclonals. I don't know why you think they are not being used but they are. Monoclonals are available and free to those with COVID in the US.  Read more here:

 

https://www.washingt...7ff0_story.html

 

"Monoclonal antibodies are free to patients and there have been almost no side effects. They are accessible on an outpatient basis, via a single infusion or four injections. Hospitals, urgent-care centers and even private doctors are authorized to dispense them."

 

What percentage of US seniors do you reckon are getting monoclonals in a timely manner after diagnosis?  40%?  80%?  

[Hip]

It's the hospitals in the USA that are killing people.

 

It is the antivaxers who are the murderers. The COVID vaccines are highly protective against COVID death, but antivaxers are intent on killing as many people as they can by spreading their antivax message.  

[Gal220]

It is the antivaxers who are the murderers. The COVID vaccines are highly protective against COVID death, but antivaxers are intent on killing as many people as they can by spreading their antivax message.  

 

cmon man, there is tons of propaganda out there to convince people to take your silly vaxx, if anyone wants to take it they can, in every walmart/walgreens/cvs in the country.

 

If they wanted more people to take it, they should have come up with an adjunct to clear out the roaming spike that didnt stay in the deltoid and a blood thinner.  No one wants to drop dead from a blood clot knowing their survivability is 99.9+ %

 

Vaccinated and unvaccinated are dying in hospitals, there should be more communication to find out the best protocol and informing patients of options instead of cashing in on Remdesivir.  More promotion of antiseptics, vitamin D, and zinc.  Thats not happening b/c they want to protoect their Vax dollar$

Edited by Gal220, 27 October 2021 - 06:52 PM.

[Hip]

cmon man, there is tons of propaganda out there to convince people to take your silly vaxx, if anyone wants to take it they can, in every walmart/walgreens/cvs in the country.

 

The antivax groups are highly organized, and use cult religion-type mind control techniques to recruit more members (Google this for more info if you do not believe me). Similar to the Scientologists, who use powerful mind control methods to recruit members and then extract thousands of dollars from them. The human mind is susceptible to propaganda and mind control, especially in people who are not very logical or rational, as rationality helps prevent you from being duped.

 

So you say that anyone can get the vaccine if they want to, but millions have been brainwashed to have fear of the vaccination, and so shun it. In this way, the antivax groups are murdering hundreds of thousands of people.  

 

But hey, this a democracy, so unfortunately the antivax groups are their rights to brainwash millions of people to sleepwalk into the deaths. 

[geo12the]

What percentage of US seniors do you reckon are getting monoclonals in a timely manner after diagnosis? 40%? 80%?

I was just answering someone who incorrectly stated that monoclonals are not being used. I have no idea the %, but I am hearing more and more about their use.

[geo12the]

cmon man, there is tons of propaganda out there to convince people to take your silly vaxx, if anyone wants to take it they can, in every walmart/walgreens/cvs in the country.

If they wanted more people to take it, they should have come up with an adjunct to clear out the roaming spike that didnt stay in the deltoid and a blood thinner. No one wants to drop dead from a blood clot knowing their survivability is 99.9+ %

Vaccinated and unvaccinated are dying in hospitals, there should be more communication to find out the best protocol and informing patients of options instead of cashing in on Remdesivir. More promotion of antiseptics, vitamin D, and zinc. Thats not happening b/c they want to protoect their Vax dollar$

The vaccines don’t need less spike. The whole point is to be exposed and have a robust immune response. I don’t believe there is an epidemic of people dropping dead from too much spike from their vaccine.

Most of the people dying are unvaxed. That is a fact. At this point none of it matters because we are heading to herd immunity.

cmon man, there is tons of propaganda out there to convince people to take your silly vaxx, if anyone wants to take it they can, in every walmart/walgreens/cvs in the country.

If they wanted more people to take it, they should have come up with an adjunct to clear out the roaming spike that didnt stay in the deltoid and a blood thinner. No one wants to drop dead from a blood clot knowing their survivability is 99.9+ %

Vaccinated and unvaccinated are dying in hospitals, there should be more communication to find out the best protocol and informing patients of options instead of cashing in on Remdesivir. More promotion of antiseptics, vitamin D, and zinc. Thats not happening b/c they want to protoect their Vax dollar$

The vaccines don’t need less spike. The whole point is to be exposed and have a robust immune response. I don’t believe there is an epidemic of people dropping dead from too much spike from their vaccine.

Most of the people dying are unvaxed. That is a fact. At this point none of it matters because we are heading to herd immunity.

[Gal220]

Most of the people dying are unvaxed. That is a fact. At this point none of it matters because we are heading to herd immunity.

Why are vaccinated dying then?  Why arent the hospitals communicating and working towards the best protocol?  Why isnt this information publicly available?

Lots of talking, where is the data on who is winning and who isnt?

 

Chart more on target from Japan , trialsitenews

https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=large

Edited by Gal220, 27 October 2021 - 08:26 PM.

[Hip]

Why are vaccinated dying then?

 

 

You need schoolboy level mathematics to answer that question, but I fear that level of arithmetic might be beyond some people, so hard to explain it in those cases. 

 

The vaccines do not prevent death entirely, but reduce the number of deaths by a factor of about 20. Just apply simple schoolboy arithmetic, and you will appreciate that you are still going to get some deaths even in the vaccinated. But the number of deaths is reduced by 20 times.

 

 

I've seen so many people online say "if the vaccines work, how come some vaccinated people still die of COVID?" D'oh! Talk about thick!

Edited by Hip, 27 October 2021 - 11:18 PM.