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[The_Eye]

80% of my days I'd wake up groggy and tired, as opposed to refreshed. The feeling then lasts the whole day.

Sometimes I'd get "windows" of normality, like bursts of energy / motivation but they never last more than one day.

I have a regular sleep routine, don't drink, don't smoke...

I want to understand if it is depression or something wrong with my sleep.

[mbdrinker]

From Leo Tolstoy’s diary he confessed about productive and non productive days. With age number of productive days is reduced greatly. It’s normal for normal people. With age depression increases as agitation nervous processes start dominating so you must take more depressants like gaba, seratonin etc

[Hip]

It could be myalgic encephalomyelitis / chronic fatigue syndrome. 

[The_Eye]

It Is chronic fatigue SYNDROME for sure. I have HPA stress. However, I've got no idea on how to fix It.

Edited by The_Eye, 09 May 2022 - 06:45 PM.

[kurdishfella]

You wanna activate your bodys healing mechanism. And not let it destroy faster than it can heal. And it largely happens because of a nutrient deficiency. most problems are related to a dysfunctional in the healing process besides things like genetic related disease or mental (for the most part). my personal opinion is the RDA for all nutrients are low on purpose so people suffer problems so they will seek help and get help from drugs etc so the companies make money. I suggest you double even triple your daily Recommended Dietary Allowances and perform light exercise and watch therapy videos. And start with the most important essential supplements first Proteins, B vitamins.

Edited by kurdishfella, 09 May 2022 - 07:59 PM.

[The_Eye]

Thanks, your answer Is very interesting to me, in fact I've already noticed that Proteins kinda regulate my mood (as well as exercise), as opposed to Carbs which have a "sedative" / numbing effect.

It's just a bit counter-intuitive to eat more than usual...

One thing I noticed is one day I managed to Meditate, and I was able to reach that "good old peace of mind" that I was missing that much.

However with stress from work and a racing mind , it takes a lot of motivation to start meditating.

[mbdrinker]

I don,t believe in meditation , it's waste of time, better do what you like and have sex with a beautiful girl. Love rules. Playing quake 3 20 years ago was nice too until they changed world paradigm turning majority into dull zombies concentrated on their cheat salaries. In Russia it's total hell nowadays. No love, no friendship, only prostitutes everywhere

[The_Eye]

There's no point in having sex when you don't feel anything at all. It's just more depressing to me.

[sthira]

80% of my days I'd wake up groggy and tired, as opposed to refreshed. The feeling then lasts the whole day.

Sometimes I'd get "windows" of normality, like bursts of energy / motivation but they never last more than one day.

I have a regular sleep routine, don't drink, don't smoke...

I want to understand if it is depression or something wrong with my sleep.

I feel the same, actually. Is it depression or something wrong with my sleep? Probably both. But I notice that if my sleep is shit, then I'm basically worthless and everything about life is more difficult.

I don't drink, smoke, or do anything unhealthy, either. In fact, maintaining good health through a diet rich in f+v, beans, legumes, cronometer, intermittent fasting, longer fasts, getting proper exercise (walking, cycling, yoga, meditation) none of this seems to "help" me feel better.

But I think sleep and depression must be linked somehow. Rarely if ever do I awake feeling good. I always just feel "less bad" which is dysthymia as indicated decades ago by a "science" of psychiatry or psychology or counseling (whatever) that seems completely impotent (except to take SSRIs -- which never worked for me and actively just made me worse due to side effects).

I've been thinking about medicinal mushrooms (taken in a clinical setting and controlled or watched during the trip by those trained to do so) but of course given the general state of poor medicine (in the US) and poor to no solutions to most chronic health problems, these medicinal mushroom clinics will likely never be an option in my lifetime.

Meditation didn't do much longterm for me, either. Just sat there on a cushion for hours, days, weeks, months and focused in tightly on what's wrong with me. I'm convinced what's wrong with me is the tricky, complicated tease of genetic, environmental, and basic biological functions that don't have much to do with positive thinking or being optimistic or being mindful, or whatever. That is, I'm convinced dysthymia is biological in nature, and there's not much known to be done.

Since medicine is useless for these issues, I've been trained by the culture to tag them as spiritual problems. So I've battled with "god" even though I don't believe in god? Im a mess. But I think if there is a god (and I doubt it) then that god is deliberately malevolent and simply "likes" or enjoys watching his creations suffer pointlessly until they die. And that includes me and just about all life I see around me -- stages of deterioration punctuated by pointlessly suffering before death.

Sorry im not making you feel better with these words -- pretty dark space I've found myself in, and there doesn't seem to be much relief that'll ever happen until I die and that's that with my pointless existence. Lol. Becomes funny after awhile, I guess.

[Harkijn]

Hi Sthira, I would not have posted here if I had not known you as a valued poster on LC. 

You mentioned meditation as a means of focusing on your problems. That is one hell of a way of exacerbating those problems..Maybe meditation might  bring you further but only the meditation that opens up to the fact that you are the awareness that witnesses all your problems, your thoughts, your identity, and even your history and your name. You are not your problems or your dissatisfactions, you are that which is aware of them! 

It's up to you if  I have just offered you a priceless gem or a pebble......

[The_Eye]

Lots of points to discuss here,just a quick reply : meditating is not supposed to be "let's focus on my thoughts". The "goal" IMO is to just "be" and let go.
I rarely do it btw because of my ocd, it's like I love to solve problems and search for solutions.

[sthira]

Hi Sthira, I would not have posted here if I had not known you as a valued poster on LC.
You mentioned meditation as a means of focusing on your problems. That is one hell of a way of exacerbating those problems..

Thanks for offering me gems; but yeah, I realize meditation isn't about focusing on problems. My point was the mind does this naturally and inevitably. So no matter how long I'm seated and practicing, the mind wanders back to whatever it's patterned to ruminate upon. The brain is a functioning organ like any other and we have only limited and probably illusory control over what it's going to do. Meditate all I want but it's not going to cure depression or kidney failure or arthritis or poor vision...

But my larger inquiry here wasn't on the benefits of meditation; rather, it was concerning other means of controlling depression beyond what we already know: meds, therapy, lifestyle choices, meditation...

I'm left still wondering (after years of waiting and wondering) about controlled psychedelics applied in a clinical setting in order to control depression. There's been promising research, then predictable silence and it all seems to disappear.

Psychedelic therapy, like psilocybin, applied clinically to control trips under guidance has been claimed to be effective. But of course we've see little progress since the pandemic in the science or funding of it (which seems to be the case with so much progressive medicine, including aging interventions).

[mbdrinker]

Psychedelic experience is true unlike that senseless meditation wasting your time. Cannabis is frequent choice.

[Harkijn]

Thanks for offering me gems; but yeah, I realize meditation isn't about focusing on problems. My point was the mind does this naturally and inevitably. So no matter how long I'm seated and practicing, the mind wanders back to whatever it's patterned to ruminate upon. The brain is a functioning organ like any other and we have only limited and probably illusory control over what it's going to do. Meditate all I want but it's not going to cure depression or kidney failure or arthritis or poor vision...

But my larger inquiry here wasn't on the benefits of meditation; rather, it was concerning other means of controlling depression beyond what we already know: meds, therapy, lifestyle choices, meditation...

I'm left still wondering (after years of waiting and wondering) about controlled psychedelics applied in a clinical setting in order to control depression. There's been promising research, then predictable silence and it all seems to disappear.

Psychedelic therapy, like psilocybin, applied clinically to control trips under guidance has been claimed to be effective. But of course we've see little progress since the pandemic in the science or funding of it (which seems to be the case with so much progressive medicine, including aging interventions).

 

So no matter how long I'm seated and practicing, the mind wanders back to whatever it's patterned to ruminate upon.

 

Yes, that's what a mind, any mind, does. Let it.

[medievil]

Dexamphetamine
Mushrooms or other daily low doses off mushrooms
Cannabinoids in low daily doses are therapeutic too

What country are you in and do you have any experiences with drugs off abuse

I help people by first determine what kind off drugs you respond you to find a long term therapeutic solution

[Turnbuckle]

Give beta-alanine  a shot. It is a precursor of carnosine that increases dopamine in the midbrain, which is involved with wakefulness and reduces depression.

Introduction: β-alanine (BA) supplementation may improve cognition and mitigate symptoms of anxiety and depression associated with aging, neurological disorders, and physical exertion, which has been attributed to increases in brain carnosine and/or brain-derived neurotropic factor (BDNF).

https://pubmed.ncbi.... factor (BDNF).

 

 

Edited by Turnbuckle, 30 May 2022 - 12:55 AM.

[mbdrinker]

Any ad may help. Better increase seratonin by brintellix or other instead of dopamine. Mb+ coffee is cheap and available. Forskolin+artichoke extract was a great booster for me years ago. You can also read forbidden books to open your mind

[The_Eye]

Dexamphetamine
Mushrooms or other daily low doses off mushrooms
Cannabinoids in low daily doses are therapeutic too

What country are you in and do you have any experiences with drugs off abuse

I help people by first determine what kind off drugs you respond you to find a long term therapeutic solution

Italy
I used to take Opiates for 3 years, that's probably what triggered depression (After quitting).

My FAVE drug would be diazepam, however I don't take benzos anymore because of addiction, plus I can't afford being that "soft" - "cool" on the job.

Give beta-alanine a shot. It is a precursor of carnosine that increases dopamine in the midbrain, which is involved with wakefulness and reduces depression.

Good to know, thx. Atm I'm taking Bupropione, it's a month now.

It's not doing that much honestly.

Edited by The_Eye, 30 May 2022 - 05:39 PM.

[sthira]

Give beta-alanine a shot. It is a precursor of carnosine that increases dopamine in the midbrain, which is involved with wakefulness and reduces depression.

I'm not the OP but I battle depression, and thank you for the beta-alanine suggestion. I'm trying it out now.