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#31 albedo

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Posted 06 November 2024 - 01:12 PM

The main equation in the text, refer to it for the explication of symbols and interpretation of this model of aging and supportive data:

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In other words, where the effects of aging are coming from:

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Will the model be adopted more broadly in the community and will more evidence support it? At the end of the paper and since its pre-print version, the authors quoted a number of additional supportive research:

 

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Posted 21 November 2024 - 07:20 AM

I am not sure this is an fruitful line of enquiry. Of course a body cannot be maintained against entropy indefinitely. But entropy doesn't care if it wins in 10 years or 1000 years, but that makes a big difference to me. 

There are trees lasting thousands of years, and some organisms last for tens of thousands of years.

 

Humans have even created ways to store information reliably for billions of years.   I do believe indefinite extension is possible.

 

Regards entropy and aging, a similar theory existed before, the rate of living or free radical theory of aging.  This theory was later superseded by the membrane pacemaker theory of aging.  Membrane pacemaker theory of aging can explain the exceptions to the free radical theory of aging well.

 

As can be seen calorie restriction lowers membrane peroxidation index, making membranes more resistant to damage.  High metabolism species like birds that have higher than expected lifespan for their metabolic rate, also have more resistant membranes.  And when looking at their membrane peroxidation index their maximum lifespan is as expected from membrane resilience.

Metabolism and longevity: Is there a role for membrane fatty acids?

https://academic.oup...943?login=false

 

If the peroxidation index is low enough for the given metabolic rate, even multicentury agelessness is possible.

The extreme longevity of Arctica islandica is associated with increased peroxidation resistance in mitochondrial membranes

https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/22708840/

 

There are two avenues of approach that can be taken based on this information, finding substances that alter peroxidation index regulation  such as CR mimetics, or other compounds that change gene regulation of peroxidation index.  

 

Or alternative find molecules that protect membranes from damage, such as astaxanthin which did well in the ITP.  What's more some sources suggest the blood levels achieved in ITP are similar to those attainable by humans with a few 10s of mg.   Further research is needed, but it is not inconceivable that higher doses of astaxanthin could have even bigger effects on lifespan.  


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Posted 07 December 2024 - 12:23 PM

It is also time in the community to consider entropy not only as damage accumulation but also as characterization of the system aging network guiding us to understand what it goes wrong and also to a better model and possible intervention. I am of the opinion that w/o theory we go basically blind. E.g. see DOI: 10.1093/gerona/glae021, DOI: 10.1063/5.0105843

 



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Posted 13 December 2024 - 09:54 AM

Fresh as preprint (ref [7] across full text is the one originally posted)

 

Discovery of Thermodynamic Control Variables that Independently Regulate Healthspan and Maximum Lifespan
Kirill A. Denisov, Jan Gruber, Peter O. Fedichev

bioRxiv 2024.12.01.626230; doi: https://doi.org/10.1...24.12.01.626230

 

 

"The question, ”Can aging be modified, delayed, or reversed?” has profound social and economic
implications for rapidly aging societies today. Interventions, ideally, would intercept functional
decline and extend healthspan by delaying late-life morbidity (known as ”squaring the curve”).
These have proven elusive, but examples of differential aging in the animal world abound, suggesting
aging itself is a malleable process. We present a novel multi-scale theoretical framework
for entropic aging, and apply it to recently published DNA methylation data from 348 evolutionarily
distant mammalian species. Our analysis identified modules or correlated DNA methylation
changes associated with reversible pathway activation in key biological processes. We discovered
a single species-dependent scaling factor controlling the magnitude of fluctuations across biological
pathways. It acts as the organism’s ”effective temperature”, quantifying intrinsic biological noise
within networks and is unrelated to physical body temperature. Furthermore, we find a distinct
stochastic damage signature and an associated extreme value (Gumbel) distribution of activation
barriers controlling site-specific damage rates of individual CpG sites. This implies that aging is
driven by rare, high-energy transitions on rugged energy landscape, most likely simultaneous and
hence practically irreversible failures in highly redundant systems. While the overall rate of damage
accumulation and hence the maximum lifespan does not depend on the effective temperature driving
the noise in leading pathways, effective temperature does influence both initial mortality rate and
the mortality rate doubling time – thereby shaping the survival curve. Lowering effective temperature
must, therefore, be a promising Geroscience strategy, aimed directly at squaring the curve of
aging. The example shows that targeting the thermodynamic forces driving mammalian aging may
provide powerful strategies for the development of truly meaningful interventions to combat aging
in humans.
"

 

"...Our analysis suggests that critical actuarial aging parameters—
including the initial mortality rate and the
Gompertz exponent—are highly sensitive to the effective
temperature, thereby determining the difference between
maximum and average lifespan. Furthermore, targeting
the effective temperature must represent a powerful
strategy to extend healthspan by ”squaring the survival
curve.” Consequently, we advocate for the development
of a new class of longevity therapeutics that target these
thermodynamic forces underlying mammalian aging at
the macroscopic level. We assert that this approach is
the only viable strategy for enabling truly meaningful interventions
to combat aging in humans...
"

 

"...It should be emphasized, however, that reducing effective
temperature does not impact the underlying rate
of aging. Consequently, efforts to extend healthspan
through effective temperature modulation will not inherently
slow the aging process and hence would not intercept
most of the functional decline associated with aging.
Aging in mammals appears to be a thermodynamically
irreversible process relying on the most fundamental biological
mechanisms. Further progress requires the investigation
of biological mechanisms behind thermodynamic
fidelity that could potentially be targeted pharmacologically.
This should open avenues for interventions aimed
at modulating the underlying drivers of mammalian aging
as a meaningful strategy to slow down the aging process

and produce a significant extension of human life..."


Edited by albedo, 13 December 2024 - 10:45 AM.






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