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[NuMystic]

Live in the northeast and don't get much sun. Also borderline pre-diabetic w/ moderately high cholesterol. 

 

My family has been taking 5,000 IU of D3 with 200mcg of K2 MK-7 daily. 

 

Been reading about D toxicity and thinking about lowering to 4,000 IU daily. Should we just stay with the 200mcg of K2 or should we lower that as well?

[Galaxyshock]

Have you had your vitamin D levels measured?

 

Not sure about K2, I would probably stick to the recommended daily intake.

 

I could suggest the herb Jiaogulan for it's anti-diabetic and cholesterol lowering properties.

[pamojja]

Been reading about D toxicity

 

Difficult to argue with mainstream media propaganda, but there is no serious harm at such doses and precaution taken (testing regular serum calcium, parathyroid hormone and serum 25(OH)D. Actually would dare to say, testing serum levels is really advisable only above 5000 IU.

 

But with a 25(OH)D of close to 200 ng/ml calcium serum level are likely increased and parathyroid hormone suppressed. That's not dangerous (usually, with no other preconditions), but time to decrease the Vitamin D3 dose.

 

Personally, I've been in average at 70 ng/ml during the last 15 years. With 8800 IU daily, additional to excessive sun-bathing during Central-Europe summer, and 6 weeks vacation on a South Indian beach.

 

On the contrary, my most dramatic of a number of remissions in chronic incurable diseases happened, when my 25(OH)D accidentally shoot to 135 ng/ml.

 

Inform yourself. Not by superficial main-stream media with clear conflict of interests. Vitamin needs supplementation of co-factors like Magnesium, vitamin A (preformed) and K2. Your dose of K2 is already a small dose indented for prophylaxis of CVD only, If you've got already real Arteriosclerosis it would not really make a dent.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by pamojja, 10 March 2024 - 02:32 PM.

[Gal220]

K2 and Vitamin A will down regulate D if you are taking too much.  5000 is a common dose

 

9 Steps to Perfect Health – #4: Supplement Wisely

 

"However, we also know that vitamin A and vitamin K2 protect against vitamin D toxicity, and vice versa."

 

 

Liquid(best so you can taste if spoiled) cod liver oil from Virgin or Rosita give you a good dose of omega3s and vitamin A in just half a teaspoon.  Both minimally processed.

 

 

Vitamin D chart - outdoor workers in the upper 40s, average is down at 26

https://www.grassroo...-chart-in-ngml/

 

 

When can you get natural vitamin D?  Best between 10am - 2pm, but northern U.S gets no vitamin D Nov-Feb

 

This calendar breaks it down

https://www.grassroo...shine-calendar/

[pamojja]

K2 and Vitamin A will down regulate D if you are taking too much.  5000 is a common dose

 

9 Steps to Perfect Health – #4: Supplement Wisely

 

"However, we also know that vitamin A and vitamin K2 protect against vitamin D toxicity, and vice versa."

 

Sure, but every one is different. I tested my serum Retinol and retinol binding protein at the beginning of my health-journey, it was low normal. I had infrequent retinal migraine flares and palmopustular psoriasis out-brakes for years too. It took many years with 18 000 IU/d to get my serum retinol up to high normal, where both conditions ceased completely.

 

However, then came corona and I couldn't handle the irresponsible way all GPs were using an experimental vaccine. So wouldn't want to meet any of them for blood-tests. Without retinol blood tests, I was more careful and reduced my retinol intake below 7 000 IU/d. 3 years later and a 6-week vacation (where I reduced my supplements and went even without any preformed retinol) I just had my first retinal migraine flare again.
 

 

9 Steps to Perfect Health – #4: Supplement Wisely

 

Funny that you link to his article about toxicity, where he actually recommends:

 

To meet vitamin A needs (assuming you’re not up for eating organ meats), I recommend taking high vitamin cod liver oil (CLO) to provide a dose of 10-15,000 IU per day. Cod liver oil is really more of a food than a supplement, but since it’s not a normal part of people’s diet we’ll consider it as a supplement.

 

Where I live natural cod-liver oil is hard to get. So I did eat cod liver (in cans) additional to my 18 000 IU intake.

 

Also to consider: Todays normal lab-ranges are taken from 95% of the tested population, which doesn't eat any CLO or organ meats. So what now is consider 'high normal' might actually have been very low in former times with a more nose-to-tail diet.

 

Also see in the comments here: https://www.longecit...-mineral-stack/ about our short discussion about the 'dangers' of retinol supplementing some time ago.

 

 

Edited by pamojja, 11 March 2024 - 01:47 PM.