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[mikeinnaples]

OK.  It seems there would be a pill to reduce iron in your blood.  I take green tea supplement, but also Tumeric.  Which I will cut out.  Would antioxidants like acai, blueberry, pomegranate, etc. do anything to eliminate iron?

IP6 friend

[Shepard]

I experienced increased enduarance, less muscle fatigue, etc. I was taking large doses in order to experience this. When I started taking resveratrol I could do about 15 pushups before tiring. A week after taking heavy doses, I could do 50. When I began I was lifting two 35 pound dumbells over my head 30 to 35 times before tiring, after a week I could do it 100 times.

Where can I buy your book?

Seriously, you're talking about very very significant changes within a week's time. Beyond any other known performance enhancer. You can't come up with any other explanations for this?

Unless you mean you did 15 pushups before taking resveratrol....took it for a while...then went higher doses and could do 50. Which makes much more sense, but it's misleading.

[balance]

Hey Chrisp2,

Why don't you give Life extension's 100mg vegetarian capsules a try? As far as I can tell it's a great quality product, just doesn't have 250mg tabs, but it's very high quality and a decent price.

[Anthony_Loera]

wow piet3r,

you skipped 58 pages of posts ... isn't Chrisp2's post on page 1?

yes, this thread is THAT long.... [lol]

There is alot of info here, welcome to the forums.

[craigb527]

I experienced increased enduarance, less muscle fatigue, etc. I was taking large doses in order to experience this. When I started taking resveratrol I could do about 15 pushups before tiring. A week after taking heavy doses, I could do 50. When I began I was lifting two 35 pound dumbells over my head 30 to 35 times before tiring, after a week I could do it 100 times.

Where can I buy your book?

Seriously, you're talking about very very significant changes within a week's time. Beyond any other known performance enhancer. You can't come up with any other explanations for this?

Unless you mean you did 15 pushups before taking resveratrol....took it for a while...then went higher doses and could do 50. Which makes much more sense, but it's misleading.

Not sure what you are asking me? In a week's time, possibly, at most, 8 or 9 days I went from being able to do 15 pushups in a row to being able to do 50 in a row. I had been taking smaller amounts of resveratrol, 300 to 500 mg, with no noticeable increase in endurance. When I began taking the heavier doses I could do 15 pushups in a row, in slightly over a week I could do 50 in a row. I am not taking any performance enhancers (unless you count protein) other than resveratrol. I do not think a placebo effect would allow me to
do the 35 additional pushups. I don't do pushups everyday either. I did not increase 5 a day until I could do a total of 50. It was more of an all at once thing.

Edited by craigb527, 27 October 2007 - 05:18 AM.

[platypus]

I experienced increased enduarance, less muscle fatigue, etc. I was taking large doses in order to experience this. When I started taking resveratrol I could do about 15 pushups before tiring. A week after taking heavy doses, I could do 50. When I began I was lifting two 35 pound dumbells over my head 30 to 35 times before tiring, after a week I could do it 100 times.

Where can I buy your book?

Seriously, you're talking about very very significant changes within a week's time. Beyond any other known performance enhancer. You can't come up with any other explanations for this?

Unless you mean you did 15 pushups before taking resveratrol....took it for a while...then went higher doses and could do 50. Which makes much more sense, but it's misleading.

Not sure what you are asking me? In a weeks time, possibly, at most, 8 or 9 days I went from being able to do 15 pushups in a row to being able to do 50. I had been taking smaller amounts of resveratrol, 300 to 500 mg, with no noticeable increase in endurance. When I began taking the heavier doses I could do 15 pushups in a row, in slightly over a week I could do 50 in a row. I am not taking any performance enhancers (unless you count protein) other than resveratrol. I do not think a placebo effect would allow me to
do the 35 additional pushups.

Ok, get ready for resveratrol getting banned..

[craigb527]

Ok, get ready for resveratrol getting banned..

Yeah. That is why I wasn't going to mention the endurance increase. I did anyway, obviuosly. Seems like they ban performance enhancing drugs because they are bad for you.
Not just because they are performance enhancing.

[craigb527]

OK.  It seems there would be a pill to reduce iron in your blood.  I take green tea supplement, but also Tumeric.  Which I will cut out.  Would antioxidants like acai, blueberry, pomegranate, etc. do anything to eliminate iron?

IP6 friend

"In vivo (In the body) at least, the remarkable affinity of InsP6 for iron totally inhibits this metal's ability to catalyze the formation of hydroxyl radicals."(See note below)  In other words IP6 grabs a hold of free Iron in the system and by a process of Chelation gets rid of it and its ability to form free radicals that cause oxidation and aging.

Chelation therapy describes the use of chelating agents to detoxify poisonous metal agents such as mercury, arsenic, and lead by converting them to a chemically inert form that can be excreted without further interaction with the body

link
http://www.thehormoneshop.com/ip6.htm

Link to order : http://www.puritansa...tm_nooverride=1

Thanks Mike

Edited by craigb527, 26 October 2007 - 06:40 PM.

[Shepard]

Not sure what you are asking me?  In a weeks time, possibly, at most, 8 or 9 days I went from being able to do 15 pushups in a row to being able to do 50.  I had been taking smaller amounts of resveratrol, 300 to 500 mg, with no noticeable increase in endurance.  When I began taking the heavier doses I could do 15 pushups in a row, in slightly over a week I could do 50 in a row.  I am not taking any performance enhancers (unless you count protein) other than resveratrol.  I do not think a placebo effect would allow me to
do the 35 additional pushups. I don't do pushups everyday either.  I did not increase 5 a day until I could do a total of 50.  It was more of an all at once thing.

I'm just saying the odds are much better that something was limiting you when you did 15 (diet, rest, etc.) than resveratrol adding 333% to your max pushups in one week. That's like, magic.

[craigb527]

Not sure what you are asking me?  In a weeks time, possibly, at most, 8 or 9 days I went from being able to do 15 pushups in a row to being able to do 50.  I had been taking smaller amounts of resveratrol, 300 to 500 mg, with no noticeable increase in endurance.  When I began taking the heavier doses I could do 15 pushups in a row, in slightly over a week I could do 50 in a row.  I am not taking any performance enhancers (unless you count protein) other than resveratrol.  I do not think a placebo effect would allow me to
do the 35 additional pushups. I don't do pushups everyday either.  I did not increase 5 a day until I could do a total of 50.  It was more of an all at once thing.

I'm just saying the odds are much better that something was limiting you when you did 15 (diet, rest, etc.) than resveratrol adding 333% to your max pushups in one week. That's like, magic.

I agree and see your point. Yes, I tried more than once. Many times. I was limited by exhaustion to doing more than 15. I could have possibly done 20, but at the time didn't think so. I hated doing pushups because I could do so few, so I didn't do them all the time. I started doing them to increase my chest size to offset my stomach. To me, the dumbbell increase (70 lbs. total) from 35 times to 100 along the same time frame was more significant because it couldn't be explained by saying oh you could do 15 good pushups (all the way down) and 50 b.s. ones. Not true, but one could argue that point. The increase of 35 to 100 in the hand weights was the same motion every time. Can be explained by 1) me not telling the truth 2) placebo effect? confidence increase thinking I should be able to lift more? doubtful 3) Me getting that much stronger, endurance really, in 7 or 8 days . Doubtful because I have been lifting the weights over my head for a year or so with no quick increases like that. 4) Resveratrol.
Oh yeah forgot one, A combination of all 4. Probably most likely

Edited by craigb527, 26 October 2007 - 07:44 PM.

[stephen_b]

I take green tea supplement, but also Tumeric.  Which I will cut out.  Would antioxidants like acai, blueberry, pomegranate, etc. do anything to eliminate iron?

I wouldn't cut out tumeric personally because of its anti-cancer benefits. I just stay away from bioperine since the manufacturer advertises that it increases iron bioavailability.

Stephen

[craigb527]

I take green tea supplement, but also Tumeric.  Which I will cut out.  Would antioxidants like acai, blueberry, pomegranate, etc. do anything to eliminate iron?

I wouldn't cut out tumeric personally because of its anti-cancer benefits. I just stay away from bioperine since the manufacturer advertises that it increases iron bioavailability.

Stephen

OK. Ordered that IP6 stuff. Hope it works. Was checking Bolthouse Farms nutrition drinks and also the Naked nutrition drinks, I drink the protein, vedge, green goodness, etc. etc. every day, quite a lot of them. Anyway, each serving of each one I checked contains 15% of my daily iron, which it sounds like I don't need any more iron anyway, so just drinking those drinks gives me way too much iron.. adding in what I eat daily probably gives me 3 times suggested daily. If iron seems to be harmful, why do you suppose they supplement it in their drinks?
Just checked my multivitamin, of which I take 2 a day. 18 mg of iron. 100% of daily. Just with that 200%. I am probably loaded down with iron.

Edited by craigb527, 26 October 2007 - 09:25 PM.

[craigb527]

USDA seems to think you can't get enough of Iron. Even cooking your food in iron skillets to supplement your iron intake is deemed good.

How can I get enough iron for
myself and my family?
Iron is a mineral found
in some foods. Eating
foods that are high in
iron can help keep you
and your family healthy
and feeling good.

Eat vitamin C foods with iron foods:
Vitamin C helps your body use iron. Eat a vitamin C food
when you eat iron foods, or cook them together. Examples:
Drink a glass of orange juice with your breakfast cereal
Cook your beans with some tomatoes
Have some salsa on your taco
Give your baby some juice or fruit with his/her cereal
Some high vitamin C foods are: Vegetables, potato, tomato, broccoli,
cauliflower, cabbage, bell pepper
Fruits  orange, cantaloupe, mango, papaya,
grapefruit, strawberry
Juices ¨ orange, grapefruit, tomato, lemon, lime
and all WIC juices
Some babies may be allergic to tomatoes, oranges,
grapefruit, or strawberries.

More tips
Add a little bit of meat to other foods. This helps your body use
the iron in the other foods. Small amounts of meat are good for
your health. Try to eat low-fat meats.
Cook foods in cast iron skillets, pots, or pans (heavy black ones).
Cooking foods in cast iron adds iron to the food.
Soak dry beans for several hours in cold water before you cook
them. Pour off the water and use new water to cook the beans.
Then, your body will take in more iron from the beans.

source http://www.nal.usda..../WA/wiciron.pdf

[maxwatt]

FWIW, iron is especially dangerous to men of Northern European extraction, due to a gene that causes them to retain iron, leading to a disease called Hemachromatosis. Rare in most parts of the world, this gene is present in as much as 60% of the population in some regions. Blood donation is almost a necessity, and the treatment is monthly bleeding by your doctor. Perhaps this accounts for the over-use of bleeding by physicians in past centuries. It saved lives, though they did not understand why.

Also, I believe I have an explanation to your feeling of not being out of breath when taking large amounts of resveratrol. Our aerobic capacity is not limited by our ability to oxygenate our tissue, but by our ability to use that oxygen. If indeed resveratrol caused your mitochondria to multiply and grow larger in sucha a short span of time, as it did with Auwerx's rats, then you were able to utilize more of the oxygen you were able to breath in.

Another thought: geo12the thought he noticed a synergistic effect with cranberry. It is possible that polyphenols in cranberry are preferentially glucoronated and/or sulfonated ove rresveratrol, allowing higher serum levels of resveratrol to reach the cells. This is why some manufacturers add bioperin to their formulation. I have found a similar synergistic effect with grapefruit juice; naringin has a high rate of sulfonation, comparable to quercetin which some manufacturer's add for this purpose. I believe drinking about 4 ounces of grapefruit juice doubles the effect of resveratrol; my experience was 2,5 grams felt like 5 grams. The flavanoids in cranberry are not so well studied, this is just speculation, but I don't think geo12the's observation is completely off the wall.

[craigb527]

Also, I believe I have an explanation to your feeling of not being out of breath when taking large amounts of resveratrol.  Our aerobic capacity is not limited by our ability to oxygenate our tissue, but by our ability to use that oxygen. If indeed resveratrol caused your mitochondria to multiply and grow larger in sucha a short span of time, as it did with Auwerx's rats, then you were able to utilize more of the oxygen you were able to breath in.

I would expect this outcome because, after all, I am an honorary Auwerx rat. I took my larger doses of Resveratrol with 6 to 7 ounces of liquid resvinatrol complete which is said to contain resveratrol, which I did not count in the total, quercetin, ellagic acid, proanthocyanidins and soy lecithin. I also threw in a couple 1000 mg lecithin supplements and some black pepper. I will try the grapefruit juice to see how I am affected, doubling would be great.

Also, I have recently added PEGysomal Resveratrol™ to the mix just in case it helps out. http://www.life-enha...sp?SID=1&id=565 Drinking about 200 mg of resveratrol at one time.

Edited by craigb527, 26 October 2007 - 10:40 PM.

[levkamensky]

Hi Craig, good evening.

"the total daily consumption would then be 6.7 g, a pharmacological amount that is not advisable, especially for men, based on studies showing that resveratrol can act as a powerful systemic aromatase inhibitor when very large amounts are taken."

So what is the best dose?

[levkamensky]

Ok, get ready for resveratrol getting banned..

Get ready to move to China. When I lived in Malaysia, there you don't need a prescription to buy drugs. Cialis is dirt cheap on the streets.

[craigb527]

Hi Craig, good evening. 



So what is the best dose?

Hey. I have no idea what best dose is. I would ask Maxwatt.

[levkamensky]

What made you decide on two grams?

[craigb527]

What do you mean? after I cut back? No reason in particular. Went with 3 today. Don't get the same effect though.

Edited by craigb527, 27 October 2007 - 05:03 AM.

[levkamensky]

Yes!

[craigb527]

What are you taking levkamensky?

[levkamensky]

I was taking 500 trans from www.biotivia.com Didn't feel much. Probably the most I could afford is 2 grams.

[levkamensky]

But during the first week I did notice similar effects as you mentioned, like more endurance, easier breathing, less tired. Can't be placebo can it?

[craigb527]

Yeah, another big reason I cut my dosage. Price. You try revgenetics? powder? I hear about placebo all the time. I really don't think so. I know the effects I felt from heavier doses couldn't be placebo.

[inawe]

I'm looking at the September supplement of Nature on Ageing. It was
"Produced with support from Sirtris Pharmaceuticals, Inc." There are 3
pages of Sirtris advertising. After talking about SRT501 "our
proprietary formulation of resveratrol", they go into NCEs. "We also
developed new chemical entities which are structurally distinct from,
and one thousand times more potent than, resveratrol".
When somebody at this forum mentioned the "thousand times more potent
than resveratrol", I thought it was a misunderstanding. But no, it's
coming directly from the responsible folks at Sirtris.

[niner]

"We also developed new chemical entities which are structurally distinct from, and one thousand times more potent than, resveratrol".

So it would take about 10mg of the NCE to turn you into an Auwerx Rat? If this stuff makes it through tox, it's going to rewrite the book in athletics. Of course it would likely be banned. I could see the military being highly interested in it. Isn't science weird?

[craigb527]

looked up resveratrol on youtube - only 19 videos came up

Sinclair was one - Sirtris and Harvard Discover New Mechanism to Slow Aging
http://www.youtube.c...nOWHnfKCIQ&NR=1

Another 15 minutes with Sinclair and Cage - Sounds like he is pushing a cure for diabetes more than anything http://www.videovat....ne-harvard.aspx

Auwerx's rats?

and last but not least http://sports.espn.g...egoryId=2564308

Edited by craigb527, 28 October 2007 - 07:25 AM.

[levkamensky]

Why is everything good banned? We need to end socialism and go back to lassies faire economics. Fed up with government interference.

[niner]

Why is everything good banned? We need to end socialism and go back to lassies faire economics. Fed up with government interference.

Resveratrol has not been banned yet. And it wouldn't be the government banning it, it would be the sports sanctioning bodies. I don't think this has anything to do with economics.